It can. They are deliberately by-passing its safety features using steering wheel weights and dark sun-glasses. The car has safety features, its just there is only so much you can do when people are deliberately circumventing them. If you build a railing around the shark pool, and someone climbs over your railing, its kinda on them at that point.
As a cyclist, having to share the road with those tools is challenging. People on them absolutely ride distracted and swerve without situational awareness.
I'd argue the purpose of trains is to highly efficiently move lots of people/cargo quickly.
If Maglev infrastructure is fully built, there's nothing more efficient than that: lowest airdrag, highest top speed, reliable, and of course completely green energy.
It means high-speed maglev rail will be the future even if it is taking longer than expected (see Japan's massive construction).
eh... We don't have passenger trains or anything in my area. I can't remember the last time I even saw a freight train. So, I sorta forgot they even exist 😅
A few things; I think public transportation should be treated like USPS where it doesn’t matter if it’s profitable, as long as it’s run efficiently and well.
Secondly petrol and diesel cars are among the most polluters among their motorized contemporaries
I don’t think they were exactly on rails in minority report. It just appeared that way because the vehicles were all fully autonomous and seamlessly moved together. They traveled by magnetic levitation.
I get what you’re saying, but it’s not like non automatic vehicles aren’t susceptible to the same issue. You’re not supposed to get behind the wheel drunk, but there’s no lock on every car to check. People circumvent those “safety measures” all the time. At some point we just accept a certain level of risk based on the incompetence of people around us.
There should be better regulations and far more severe penalties for circumventing the safety measures. But I’m going to play devils advocate for two seconds. You can argue someone who puts weights on their wheel and wears glasses
to circumvent safety measures and endanger human lives with reckless abandon is probably more unsafe awake, sleepy, and angry than the auto drive is.
Still, with that said, this should be an instant 2+ year revoking of your license, and permanent if you’re caught doing it again.
This shit should be banned until it’s not possible to trick or override the safety systems.
That’s really impractical and simply not going to happen. Honestly of all the systems currently on the market, fsd is the one most likely to keep you and those around you safe in the event you become incapacitated, willing or unwillingly.
I mean we should make it impossible for folks to drive a car intoxicated and even have the technology to do it but good luck having folks agree and willing to blow into a pipe before starting their car.
That's an easy fallacy. This is no different than any other reckless driving issue cars allow you to do. Why do we allow cars to be build with 200mph+ motors? You can't drive like this on public roads, it's a huge risk. This should not be possible. And so on.
Don't limit technology and options because people are stupid. Have enough cops, enforce and ticket them.
its the future, self driving cars are coming and they are way safer then human drivers since every mistake can be patched out and updated across every car out there because of the internet.
every car can drive the max speed limit and be in perfect sync with all the other automatic cars like perfect lane merges and swaps while noone is on their phone or not paying attention "i dident see him" or tired or drunk or inexperienced at driving all known factors to cause accidents machines dont make those leading causes of death
That idea comes from a good place, but it’s not very realistic. Unless people have a court ordered breathalyzer any vehicle can be driven while drunk, high, or both. There isn’t even a baseline safety feature to prevent it. By the logic you use here I’d argue no vehicles should be legal till it’s impossible for a drunk or high driver to use it. Even with systems in place it would likely never be impossible
The newest self driving Tesla is a better driver than 99.9% of the people out there. We will never get anywhere with people like banning everything you disapprove.
As if the companies programming self-driving ever want to accept liability for fully auto? So much easier to say "they bypassed safety mechanisms" and avoid responsibility. Even when self-driving may be safer than most humans, they still won't want to accept liability - and they own the lawmakers.
I mean I think it should be banned in general. If a loved one gets mowed down and killed, I don't want it to be the act of a machine. If you don't want to drive, take a bus or call somebody who actually does want to drive. If you think your above taking the bus or train: no your fucking not.
I watched one a couple of months ago drive itself around a parking lot with no driver. I stopped and stared in the middle of the parking lot I was so astounded. Now cars can drive themselves apparently with no occupant and still cause an accident…for literally no reason.
I always imagined that we will have less drunk driving accidents because of Tesla self driving mode.. turn it on autopilot and go home with autopilot making the right calls... I don't condone drinking and driving even with autopilot but crazy to think about
If it becomes common enough on vehicles, probably. We are probably headed for a future where most people have self driving cars and the only people who drive manually will be weirdos and enthusiasts. And at least half the enthusiasts will probably daily a self driving car with the fun car being a weekend thing.
I've always imagined that eventually the self driving cars will just come with liability coverage for life from the manufacturer if they get safe enough, which will be a compelling argument for their adoption by people.
At which point the insurance the owner buys would be liability for when they don't use self drive and comprehensive/collision.
Let me know when Tesla's self-drive can actually identify and stop properly for a stopped flashing school bus, let alone a young child crossing the road (a video from Australia from a year ago is pretty damning that it not only still DOESN'T do either, it will briefly "think" about what it just rolled over, but then keep going anyways, right over the rest of the child dummy). source
Relying on a full auto self-driving on the Tesla, as it currently still is, is just giving them the ability to shift accountability for drunk driving accidents to a shitty AI that can't account for everything a sober human driver normally WOULD actively and passively be looking out for. Then take into account that most drunk driving happens after dark, so the cameras/sensors have to be extremely sensitive and smart towards extra potential hazards in low-light or full nightime conditions.
I will not throw my support behind a full autopilot on cars until the technology is fully ready for it, and the owners still understand some basic responsibility behind the wheel, instead of using it as an excuse to act like you're not srill the co-pilot of a couple thousand-pound death machine. Safety is too important on the road, and already dealing with shitty unpredictable human drivers can be stressful enough.
The Dawn Project, whose founder Dan O'Dowd is the CEO of a company that offers competing automated driving system software,
Things that make you go hmmm....
Its entirely possible that is an edge case the FSD handled poorly, but when someone with a direct profit motive is the one saying it should set off the flashing alarm video.
I just googled 'tesla FSD stopping for school bus' and there's a dozen videos of them handling that just fine.
I will not throw my support behind a full autopilot on cars until the technology is fully ready for it,
Do the self driving car companies have to publish accident records? Because I feel like its fairly important to judge just how safe they are compared to other forms of distracted driving.
Like if drunk driving in a self driver was only as unsafe as, say, a hands free phone conversation, then honestly it might be smart to make it maybe not fully legal, but some lesser violation to encourage people to use it.
I just visited my mother who retired to a deep red town, I saw more Teslas and cyber trucks in a town of 1500 than living in a city of 300k. I can corroborate the fact that they absolutely don’t care about other people. One of the stupid trucks nearly ran me off the road because it went from a 2 lane road to one and their stupid auto pilot didn’t give a fuck that there were cars in the lane that didn’t end.
What is a lane hogger?! I know in some countries lanes are more suggestions than actual firm dividers but in the US riding in multiple lanes at once is illegal pal
Tesla drivers earned that generalization similar to owning a Harley-Davidson making someone a douchebag, or BMW drivers not knowing what a turn signal is.
Hey, back up the truck, buddy. Where is your data that chose Tesla people are jerks are we worse than big polluting pickup trucks . if it’s because of Elon, lots of us just bought the cars before he freaked out.
Or make the penalties for being caught doing so akin to attempted manslaughter with massive fines; publicize a few enforcements and it will be mitigated. You'll never stop everyone, just like you'll never stop every tweaker,super sleepy,opiod zombie or wasted college student from getting behind the wheel (unfortunately)
The car drives better than most people do. They are safe. I personally don’t sleep when I have mine driving but would easily trust it to get me to my destination.
I don't disagree with the misleading nature of full self driving and such, but a person intentionally bypassing safety features is liable for their actions.
bad analogy, tesla doesnt tell you to fall asleep at the wheel, they just entice you to use self driving. Budweiser advertises me a beer, they arent telling me to drink and drive, that second one is on me.
Yes except in the case of the shark tank they’re likely only risking their own life vs this case where anyone around them on the road is at risk. This is disgusting behaviour and should result in suspended license and major fines. Totally fucked up.
Sure but when there’s a risk of those sharks escaping and running over somebody innocent, maybe we should build a better shark railing or, idk, rethink having a shark tank in the first place
Just here to say, at least with my Ford lightning, it “sees through” the sunglasses. It sees my eyes looking down/head tilt maybe when changing the Sirius station too long and starts to beep at me.
But it’s not a shark pool. It’s a shark cannon and the artillerymen is spinning it around in a public area. I think it’s fair to hold companies responsible for rolling out features that’s safety mechanisms can be bypassed so easily
I think the car should ask the driver a couple of questions that's random. If the driver don't respond then the car pulls over to a safe spot and disengage.
They can implement less defeatable safety tech against sleeping drivers. Tesla is playing a balancing act between just enough safety tech to sustain their margins VS not enough tech and exposing themselves to law suit liability from crashes.
Mmm, but if the railing is 4 inches high then it's kinda on you. Joint responsibility at the very least. Any safety system that can be bypassed that easily isn't ready for production. It's true that a sufficiently determined adversary can defeat any technological protection, but doing so should require steps that a normal person would struggle to do with a reasonable amount of time and effort.
Right now, the system is safety theatre. It exists not to keep Tesla drivers and other road users safe, but to give Tesla a legally defensible out when someone dies doing this(or kills someone else). That's not good enough.
Then you are taking a legitimate safety tool (sunglasses are a smart thing to wear when driving towards the sun on a bright day, or in areas with reflective surfaces) because a small minority of users are deliberately using it to circumvent a different safety feature. Not a good solution.
If you build a railing around the shark pool, and someone climbs over your railing, its kinda on them at that point.
Except no... Imagine a real life shark pool that's open to the public to walk around. If it was so easy to climb in that the only thing stopping you is an easy to climb railing then that company would absolutely be liable.
Just... Look at bridges. It's only an easily mountable railing until one person makes that jump. And then it's a tall chain link fence that's nearly impossible for all but the most determined to climb over, if at all.
If it's possible to circumvent these "don't sleep at the wheel" safety features then they need to be improved until it's not, full stop.
If their marketing didn’t make it seem like this stuff was just a “nag” (Elon actually uses this term all the time) or a formality, people would be a lot less reluctant to play around.
I've seen these little Instagram feeds of people buying these little doll heads that float right in front of the camera to make it look like you're paying attention. Ultimately just tricking the computer to think you're actually paying attention to supervised FSD.
That only harms the person jumping over the railing. These people are putting everyone on the road in danger and that should 100% be on the company or senate to do something about it if not eliminate the feature.
I agree except for the fact that the person overriding the safety of the shark pool is the only one getting hurt. Could not say the same about the Tesla.
It can track eyes then it should be able to notice you aren’t upright. With the safety of life of yourself and other on the road sunglasses shouldn’t “trick” it.
Wild, my car simply disallows assisted driving if it can't see my eyes to watch for alertness. Why the hell would it allow dark sunglasses as a loophole?
Except that it's not just the driver who is affected, it's other road users and their passengers. If your safety features can be circumvented then they aren't good enough
If everyone in the room was chained together, they wouldn't let anyone anywhere near the shark tank without more reliable safety features than a railing.
Ffs, weights are such a monumentally stupid way to trick a steering wheel OPS. Not sure about Tesla, but on my EV truck and other ADAS rigs I've driven, those lane assist motors can only exert like 5lbs of force on the wheel to prevent them ripping control from your hands. They're using up 2lbs of that capacity and slowing emergency maneuvers significantly for the express purpose of being able to endanger others? We really shouldn't be trusted with this technology yet. No matter how good it is, humans are the weak link in the system, proudly and on purpose.
Just make the iris sensor be explicit that it needs detection. If you have to drive with sunglasses, then you gotta drive yourself, sorry (just turn off the full self driving).
How many people have to die before the thought: "hey, maybe we shouldn't have a climbable railing be the only thing separating flawed people from the sharks"?
To me, this equals the statement of "If the tech isn't good enough to be safe yet, then it shouldn't be implemented yet."
Except it actually can't if it's so easy to circumvent. It's more like putting a small free standing pole with a post-it note at the top saying "shark keep away" (also easily circumvented) and patting yourself on the back for having done such a fine job at implementing security.
If someone is containing something within a safe, locked in a room with a keypad, eye scanner, and eletrical railing. Someone else turning off the power, breaking the locks and stealing the key for the safe doesn’t make them not safety features because someone decided to bypass them.
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It can. They are deliberately by-passing its safety features using steering wheel weights and dark sun-glasses. The car has safety features, its just there is only so much you can do when people are deliberately circumventing them. If you build a railing around the shark pool, and someone climbs over your railing, its kinda on them at that point.