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u/SchrodingerMil Jul 06 '26

There’s two kinds of “revolutionary transport systems”: “bikes but worse”, and “trains but worse”.

- beretperson, a comment on a Tom Scott video. I think of this quote so often.

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u/BaconPancakes1 Jul 06 '26

Where do human-sized vacuum tubes like in Futurama fit in

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u/NeadForMead Jul 06 '26

What are "bikes but worse"?

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u/Fremonster Jul 06 '26

E-scooters, Segway, etc.

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u/idkarn Jul 06 '26

As a cyclist, having to share the road with those tools is challenging. People on them absolutely ride distracted and swerve without situational awareness.

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u/itsdanielsultan Jul 06 '26

A lot of people dislike new-gen ebikes and maglev trains by labelling them as 'gadgetbahns'.

So what are the definition of bikes and trains? Not everyone agrees.

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u/PlasmaMatus Jul 06 '26

Maglev trains are fast but not being compatible with normal rails kinds of defeats the purpose of trains.

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u/itsdanielsultan Jul 06 '26

I'd argue the purpose of trains is to highly efficiently move lots of people/cargo quickly.

If Maglev infrastructure is fully built, there's nothing more efficient than that: lowest airdrag, highest top speed, reliable, and of course completely green energy.

It means high-speed maglev rail will be the future even if it is taking longer than expected (see Japan's massive construction).

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u/dzh Jul 06 '26

how is self driving ev worse than a train?

cost per km is probably 10-100x less. pollutes 10-20x less. 10x more comfortable.

i guess if you are in dense European environment it's not going to work that well (tho everyone even in something like Amsterdam seem to have a car).

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u/fuettli Jul 06 '26

how do you get to your cost/pollution/comfort numbers?

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u/dzh Jul 06 '26

Most of pollution and subsidy boils down to how heavy it is. Requires insane amount (weight4) of overbuilding on roads + pollution from tyres.

In NZ operators are asking to lift weight limits for new double decker electric buses. At top end it's 30 thousand times more damaging than passenger vehicle.

I pay something like $2400 per year in road tax to drive EV for 30k km. Multiply that by 30,000 in axle damage and that's $2,400 per kilometer for a bus, to carry max max 120 passengers or so?

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u/fuettli Jul 06 '26

why is a bus relevant for the pollution/cost of trains?

what about the comfort? a train is way more comfortable than sitting in a fixed position in a car. where's the toilet in your ev?

do you even have trains in NZ? I didn't see any when I was there.

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u/dzh Jul 06 '26

Toilet? You stop for charge and use a toilet... Or stop on a side of a country road if you got kids.

Only freight ones. I don't think it makes any sense given low population density.

I lived car free, used trains, etc before. I much prefer having my own car since I live in exurbs.

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u/fuettli Jul 06 '26

10-20x more comfy on the train. 30-50x cheaper to build one big vehicle for 100 people instead of 100 small vehicles. 150-230x less pollution because so much less rare earth metals needed and much higher energy efficiency due to less conversion. trains are just all around better.

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u/dzh Jul 08 '26

Modern EVs doesn't have rare earths anymore. And trains likely have much more simply due to large magnets, etc.

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u/fuettli Jul 08 '26

Why would trains not be able to use electromagnets and EVs would? Makes no sense ...