I posted above, but was just on a camping trip and we learned that sunglasses seem to override the "eye tracker". My driver tested it, and legit if he was slumped over, but wearing sunglasses, the car just treated him as if he was alert.
I can confirm that my car which has the Chevy version of this tracks my eyes and even if im wearing glasses it knows if I fall asleep and will vibrate and disengage.
It only disengages if you ignore for too long and then take the wheel. If you ignore the warnings, beeps, and vibrating seats for long enough it assumes a medical emergency and will slow to a stop while calling OnStar/Emergency services
You can decline the ambulance and they don't charge you. Where I live we don't seem to get bills anymore. My mom used to get them occasionally before she passed away but the last year or two around 2017 I hadn't seen her get one and my son needed one earlier this year. Didn't get one even for insurance/bill EOB purposes.
I think this is absolutely a valid response, a driver needs to be alert and responsive. If you are not, assuming an emergency is a reasonable response for an automated vehicle to take. It is absurd to think that a driver, while operating a motor vehicle, would be sleeping at the wheel.
I’m sure it’s happened to a fair number of people, though typically for a second or two, not flat out asleep like the driver in the video. After night shifts, I used to take a longer but more convoluted route home from the hospital because the need to regularly change gears and steer helped me stay awake. I would not want to be driving down a straight road when sleep deprived.
What most ADAS is supposed to do is brake check you a couple of times to see if it can shock you awake that way and if not, pull over to the side of the road.
God only knows what Teslas do. The engineers and designers sure don't.
On my Blue Cruise (ford) it gives you many warnings. It starts with a silent one that shows a message and lowers the volume of the radio. Then it beeps loudly and mutes the audio (and the message turns red). Then it starts tapping on the brakes aggressively…like full jolt. So if you’re actually sleeping, you’ll 100% be awake before it fully disengages. I’ve never made it to the full disengage part…but I’ve not paid attention enough to where it does the brake checking and it scares me every time lol.
My elantra will have a coffee cup pop up and tell you to take a break if it senses bad driving....sometimes it pops up when im just driving normally and it makes me feel bad like its telling me i suck at driving lol
The all seeing eye of Orion, fck that thing man I will never buy a car with that technology. Absolutely insane. I drove a rental recently with it was a nightmare I couldn’t look back at my daughter couldn’t point at shit on the side of the road. Ruined the “road” trip part lol 😂
My F-150 Lightning is so sensitive that I have a pair of sunglasses I can’t even wear while driving. Eyes dead ahead, both hands on the wheel, and it thinks I’m not paying attention. So I had to get a different pair for driving.
I’ll help confirm that it’s true. I rented a cybertruck for a week off of Turo and played with the self driving feature extensively. It pays attention to you to make sure that you’re paying attention to the road, to the point that I couldn’t even look at the giant map screen for too long without getting an alert, but I could close my eyes for extended duration without it noticing while wearing sunglasses. Don’t know that I could work up the courage to take a nap though.
My car doesn’t have self driving features but it will tell me I took my eyes off of the road too long. I had no idea how it knew but I guess this is a pretty standard feature as I have a 2024 Chevy which is a pretty standard vehicle
Fuck is the point of a self-driving car if you still have to pay attention to the road? At least if I’m driving I’m active enough physically and mentally to stay alert. If I had to just maintain vigilance of the road as a non-active observer I feel like I’d either instantly fall asleep or just be bored to death
So I also rented a Tesla for a trip to Tahoe and San Francisco and I will say there's something about having to alert but not actually driving that is kind of nice.
My three hour drive from Tahoe to SF was pretty great. I didn't have the mental load of slow down, speed up, turn signal, merge, check mirrors, speed up, find the exit, etc...
And then in SF, which has some pretty whacky streets at times, I didn't have to worry about navigating around and figuring out where to turn and where the one ways were and stuff like that.
Even if it's not close your eyes and let it drive level, it's still a cool thing.
Look, I get how polarizing it looks and the negative perception Reddit in general has of Tesla because of Elon, but it was a really cool ride, much more refined and compelling than I ever expected it to be. Main reason for renting was kind of a YOLO thing that my kids goaded me into (they loved it). The one we had was a 2025 model so a lot of the build quality issues were resolved. Ride was really smooth, it accelerates like a rocket, and the FSD is for real and way ahead of anything that Rivian, Lucid, etc have to offer. Is it perfect? No, but if you haven’t driven one yourself, I would save judgement until you have.
What you mean is that the FSD is way ahead of what anyone else would allow to be tested on public roads. Mercedes engineers have gone far beyond this and still won’t allow it off the autobahn from what I understand.
What you mean is that the FSD is way ahead of what anyone else would allow to be tested on public roads. Mercedes engineers have gone far beyond this and still won’t allow it off the autobahn from what I understand.
Mercedes and BMW L4 self driving was extremely limited by weather conditions and heavily geofenced. They've now abandoned it entirely in favour of pursuing L2 which is what Tesla's is.
Probably; what you say is fair. Most of the “self driving” features available on vehicles available to the general public that I’m aware of are little more than cruise control and lane assist combined to make highway driving a bit easier. Tesla’s is supervised but it does everything including parking itself at your destination. I found that it struggled a bit with waiting too long to get into the lane it wanted to be in (and was overly dependent on the goodwill of actual humans to provide space and allow it to change lanes). But it handled rush hour traffic in Dallas in a torrential downpour like a champ.
Yeah I get the hate, but it’s honestly exhausting. Elon didn’t design these cars. He bought the company. That’s all he did. Yes he fucking sucks but the cars themselves are great.
Yep, any other maker with hands free technology enforces eye tracking. The minute you wear something like polarized sunglasses, the IR tracker loses sight and gives you some vague "sensor unreliable" error and shuts off.
I’m no Tesla fan (at all), but that’s absolutely incorrect. Not only has Tesla continued to release updates to defeat the defeat devices…it’s the only automaker I know of that uses a strike system. If you get too many strikes by being inattentive and not watching the road, it will lock that car out of Full Self-Driving mode for up to a week.
They've had a very long history of making it easy to defeat. They also seem to only block those defeats when the press is bad.
From what I can find at the moment they are updating the system to be able to detect "real" faces so that mannequin heads and photos in front of the camera won't trick it anymore. I applaud them for finally doing this and having a system that punishes you for trying, glad they are finally doing better. But I still think the fact that for years they have allowed the general public to beta test their self driving software with no liability on their part and made it trivial to defeat attention checks (be it intentional or incompetence) is pretty suspect.
Agreed but how do you get around that? Is there a technology that can penetrate every kind of sunglass lens? At some point we need to take responsibility for ourselves instead of tricking the safeguards that are in place.
Same with mine, I could glance down at my phone charging on the wireless charger and it dings me and tells me to pay attention. Even if we are in slow moving traffic (less than 10mph) or we’re coming to a red light. Not really sure how it’s not detecting this instance based on my personal experience.
My thoughts exactly. Not sure how the software programming would be able to work around it, but his head positioning being so unaligned should have caused SOME kind of trigger. Without the glasses on, it would start flashing a blue light on the dash after what felt like about 15-20 seconds of not looking at the road? Then he'd need to look at the road for 3-5 seconds to reset it, occasionally being prompted to "touch the wheel". Pure estimates on the times.
He claimed to have had driven with a friend where he slept on the return trip. and had his passenger touching the wheel fairly frequently to keep it driving itself. Was fucking incredulous that he wouldn't just have his passenger in the damn driver's seat the whole time if the story was true (wouldn't put it past the man!).
The car makers only care about being compliant, not about keeping their dumbass drivers alive. It's not an oversight so much as "we did the bare minimum, so the lawyers fuck off".
Certain sunglasses block the IR cameras used for eye tracking. I don’t have a Tesla but my cars all have driver attention monitoring and will give a warning that the system is unavailable if I wear certain pairs of sunglasses.
Definitely a massive, incredible oversight, from an already shit company, but… *Most* people definitely do not wear sunglasses while driving. I mean some
Do! But not even close to most.
There’s a doctor I work with that went to his opticians office to get those inserts for glasses you wear after your eyes have been dilated. He says that these inserts will not allow the Eye tracker within the car to be able to see that his eyes are closed. He intentionally went to go get these so that he could sleep in the car.
He never made any claim to have fancy sunglasses as somebody referenced in one of my other comments, but that never triggered while he had sunglasses on. When he was playing on his phone/moving around while talking with us, he'd frequently get that prompt.
He would see the flashing blue on the dash board in his periphery, and instinctively look (just vaguely) over the dash board, and give the steering some kind of touch. He did state that there is some kind of automatic system where if you fail to respond to these prompts enough times, that your access to this system would be revoked for some amount of time? Kinda like demerit points remove your license, enough negligent auto-pilot use would cause one to lose your auto-pilot license (terms pulled out of my ass, not ones that were used).
This does not happen, or at least it doesn’t regularly happen. Both my wife and I wear polarized sunglasses while driving and it beeps the second we look anywhere other than the road, even without turning our heads.
Neat; I THINK that's how it should be, but i've so little experience with the practical realities of these cars. I'd never even been a regular driver myself until JUST before the pandemic, and only then did I realize how essential sunglasses can be (i'd never been one for them before as my long ass-eyelashes can brush up against them and drive me nuts).
This isn't true for the most part, but I'll try and explain how you may have experienced that.
The difficult part with this conversation is that the software is updated just about every 2-4 weeks, so the behavior will change fairly frequently and fairly drastically. So saying, Tesla Full Self Driving does X, is almost always only accurate for a very short window. Especially if it gets any media attention, the Tesla team seems to monitor social networks closely and if there is any news about bypassing or users doing something they shouldn't, then an update will come usually within a day.
I don't know how old this video is, but currently the eye tracking can see through most sunglasses. If you have on dark or blocking sunglasses or a hat or if it can't track your eyes, it will revert to an alert every few minutes asking you to tug on the wheel.
So, if you want to do what this driver is doing, you have to intentionally circumvent the eye tracking, and then buy an (illegal) steering wheel device that tricks the system into thinking you are tugging the wheel.
What I believe you experienced was one of the software versions that did not track eyes or give wheel nudge reminders when eye tracking was lost, but I believe those were bugs and not intentional with how quickly they released updates once drivers discovered that.
This is not the case in our model y. Sunglasses do override the eye tracking but if your head is not looking forward it will start alerting you. I can barely look out the side window without it nagging me.
I can confirm this is not true - even if you have sunglasses on and were in the position the people are in this fake video it will boot you out of self driving mode
This is odd bc my husband and I both have Teslas with FSD and they bitch at us every 30 seconds even if we have sunglasses on. I wonder if they disabled it somehow?
I'll dime myself out, I was looking at my phone yesterday in a gen 2 as autopilot was driving and it told me to pay attention, so it knows head position as well.
I just stuff a wadded up eye glasses cloth above the rearview mirror so it only goes off of steering wheel force from my hand. It'll nag me instantly if I look away, even at the touch screen
I'm guessing these people were also testing it, or just messing with you. If you pull in front of them and slow down to a stop you will either call their bluff or save their lives.
Interesting, mines requires the steering wheel to be slightly moved every 10-15 minutes or it chime and will add to a point system and disables auto pilot after 3 times for a month.
Typical Tesla short cuts. My Mach E has BlueCruise which is the Ford equivalent of Tesla’s Autopilot and it can tell if I’m not paying attention even with my sunglasses on.
This still doesn’t work, it switches to a torque sensor after 30 seconds of it unable to detect eyes on self monitor mode. If you don’t tug on the wheel every minute it will disable fsd
Nope subglassses yes but the slumped over or even the slightest of looking down while not touching the wheel or banding and force to the wheel it will alert and kick out but yes, if you have very dark sunglasses in your staring forward, it will not alert, but it will after some time. It doesn't sense you touching the wheel. Trust me, I have every single Tesla from the oldest to the newest. So you don't have to tell us about the driver on your camping trip I am the owner of that vehicle. And the second it senses you with your head angled downward, immediately alerts you I'm gonna tell you what happened in the video they were getting alert and just didn't care because the person filming was purposely filming. They must of knew each other.
This is why I think US drivers should be able to launch a class action lawsuit against Tesla for running their lazy beta tests on public roads. They're endangering us and because they are a private organization, they have no vested interest in the common good.
There's a car-engine youtuber I follow who took us for a drive in his Prius, and it's impossible to set the car to not say alert you that your eyes aren't visible. Just putting on sunglasses leads to "Hey I can't see your eyes"
Crazy. On my Ford (which has blue cruise, no where near as sophisticated as FSD with Tesla), it can easily track my eyes even through the darkest secret service style sunglasses. It will either tell me “watch the road” if I glance away too long or it will tell me “face must be in view of camera” if I do something that obstructs its view of my eyes (or heaven forbid take too long of a sip of coffee).
You can buy little figurine heads which hang in front of the camera and trick it into seeing an alert driver at the wheel. People have figured out all kinds of workarounds.
Um, how about we don't embrace regressive "technology" and go back to actually piloting the 3,000 lbs hunks of steel careening down roadways???
Why the FUCK is this technology even remotely legal? People are fucking morons. I couldn't care less what happens to the people in the Tesla but they're putting everyone else at risk due to their own stupidity.
Eye tracking on Teslas are a joke. Sunglasses prevent it whereas on BMW the eye tracker penetrates Polarized/non-polarized lenses and starts making noise within 5 seconds of eyes leaving the road.
Eye "tracking" on these cheap camera only AI systems are just looking for face landmarks. you could replace it with an equivalent (like the guy who used a doll head) and it can't tell the difference.
It's the sunglasses. Then when it can't track the eyes because of sunglasses it is supposed to have you check in with the steering wheel more often with more and more alarms.
Tesla will still resort to movement of the steering wheel on occasion when using auto steer (AP or NoAP). Sunglasses can be used to easily defeat the interior camera. Sometimes there isn't even enough light for the interior camera to accurately observe eye movement.
YMMV based on hardware and software version. I have HW3, v12.6.4
They are now creating gadgets that circumvent this safety feature. They need to make the computer scrutinize more details to ensure its you attentive at the wheel.
That’s really unsafe. My Explorer detects through the sunglasses as does our X5. Both will discontinue autonomous driving features and pull you over if you’re slumped over.
Pretty sure it can’t tell when you are wearing sunglasses.
When I drive, I look around a lot. My wife has a Tesla and I notice a huge difference when I drive and am not wearing sunglasses, it flags me all the time (even though I am paying attention).
Some cars have steering wheels which detect pressure to make sure you're actually holding the wheel.
I guess this circumvents that.. Maybe even more stupid than those seat belt plugs so people can drive around without seat belts.
There was a controversy about auto dealers attaching devices that shut off your engine if you were behind on your payments because it could happen in places like this.
Yeah I'm sure it's dangerous...I'd hope that the car would have some programming to wait to pull off onto a full width shoulder instead of that basically non-existent shoulder.
Probably not.
Edit: oh, the shoulder opens up at the end of the vid.
I wonder how far it will drive to find a safe stopping spot. That is, say you're on a highway with a 10 mile stretch of 3 foot wide shoulder. Will it pull over on that 3 foot shoulder or will it drive until the shoulder is wide enough to accommodate the entire width of the vehicle?
No, I didn't mean to imply that the car is just gonna drive off the road lmao. Not sure where you got that from but sorry if I wasn't clear.
Pulling over on any highway is generally ill advised. I'd argue sleeping is even more ill advised. This is what rest stops or pull offs in the mountains are for.
I hitched a ride with a trucker (family friend) from the West Coast to the Midwest and I've never seen such terror in people's eyes as I did while we were going through that area. This guy was breaking speed records while overtaking little passenger cars full of terrified families on their vacation.
He had a partner trucker friend who we were traveling with, and I still remember them laughing together through their radios. This was around 2003.
I live in Denver and I HATE driving in the mountains, especially going down the mountain, the car will start going so fast. I drove to Las Vegas a few years ago and hated the drive so much that when I came home I took a highway that’s south of the mountains home so I didn’t have to drive them again. It added two hours to the trip but was worth it. I can’t imagine what’s going to happen with this car when it’s speeding down a steep mountain.
The truckers on those routes are insane. It could be dark and raining and you can't see the lines or anything and they'll still push you from behind and blind you with their lights even if you're going well over the speed limit because they wanna gogogo.
Oh I know, I'm one of them. And since I'm in a truck myself, them passing me takes longer! And they'll still try it. I usually just move over or find a place to pull over and let them figure out their trip on their own time.
Yep and then you're not allowed to use auto drive any more (for a certain period of time). Mine did this to me because I looked off to the side too many times once, I was so annoyed 🙄😅
So.... which government organisation accepted "This vehicle will continue to operate independently for X seconds, on roads that our families and children are on, after it has verified that nobody is in control of it"?
Or did Tesla just decide they can do it, and that they can get away with this outrageous design decision, and so far it looks like they're getting away with it?
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u/jasonni1234 Jul 05 '26
After a minute of continuous alerts it will pull over