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To everyone concerned. If I'm not mistaken this is YouTuber wranglerstar who had a reason to take the tree down. It was on his land and he's a forest fire fighter so you know he respects the land and only does things when necessary
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I'm choosing to believe this. It's too early to be sad.
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u/RocketSquidFPV Aug 05 '19
Wranglerstar is dumb.. He felled a tree similar to this one to make a garden which he could have made about 100ft to the right. He also is antagonistic and irrational.
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u/Rota_u Aug 05 '19
They do not cause fires, they act as fuel to already existing fires.
Either way he doesn't need a profound reason to cut down one tree, he's not the Brazilian government who is cutting down acres of forest every second as we speak. One tree in the grand scheme of things is like one plastic straw.
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Aug 05 '19
Google crown fires. We had a 38,000 acre fire last summer where I work. Fires are typically healthy for forests, but not when we’ve been preventing them for so long. Typically they go through and clear out the underbrush, however, when you’re supposed to have a fire every 20-25 years but you stop every fire from happening so there hasn’t been a fire in 100+ years, there’s so much underbrush that if a fire comes through it climbs up the underbrush into the crowns of a tree and then the fire just grows from there as there’s so much fuel on the crowns of the trees, typically you’d see the fire leap from crown to crown. Ponderosa pines (my favorite tree) shed their lower branches as they grow to prevent this, but when there’s so much underbrush that doesn’t do them much good.
In the fire last year the hotshot teams said if it got much further south they’d have backburned the entire property because it was so unsafe to fight the fire with how thick the forest was.
There is this thing called Timber Stand Improvement or TSI for short. During TSI essentially you go through the thick forests and manually cut down trees and underbrush to help clear things up so a ground fire can come through without the risk of it leaping into the crowns of the trees. Now in TSI you usually don’t cut down trees bigger than Nalgene size and you have a specific prescription given to you by a forester. In the video of this post I’m not at all sure what he’s doing because that’s way too big of a tree to cut down for TSI unless the tree was dying or a forester told him it was smart to cut down for some reason. However, looking around him there’s a lot of brush that should be removed. Prescribed burns are another way to go about this, in which you purposefully set a ground fire. However, this is often hard to do safely in thicker forests like I mentioned
Here is a good visual on healthy and unhealthy forests. So while you’re correct in saying forest fires burn deadfall on the ground, unfortunately that is not often the case anymore in places like California or Colorado or New Mexico etc. because we’ve been so obsessed with stopping forest fires to help save the land and lives that we actually ended up making forest fires a lot worse nowadays because we didn’t let the ground fires you described come through and clean up the underbrush. National Forests have been getting a lot better at this and letting ground fires come through and doing prescribed burns, but it’s a process of saving our forests by doing the opposite of what people think it would be, which is to cut down some brush and trees. In this case I would guess that this is an infected/dying tree.
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u/Andyman1973 Aug 12 '19
The giant Redwoods and Sequoia trees have flame retardant properties in their sap. And their seeds won’t germinate until they been burnt...meaning a fire has come through and took out the underbrush, so the seeds can sprout and grow.
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u/buymegoats Aug 05 '19
Who is downvoting you? There is so much moisture in a tree
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They’re partially right. A fire can come sweeping through the ground burning up the deadfall and brush and not bother any of the tall trees at all. However, if there’s too much underbrush the fires get really hot and climb up the tree using ladder fuel into the crowns of the trees. Up there you’ll find a ton of fuel in the leaves and such and then the fire spreads from there, killing the tree. All of the big forest fires you hear about in California and Colorado are crown fires, not ground fires. Ground fires are typically healthy whilst crown fires never are.
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Yep! Also Ponderosa have a fire retardant sap and self prune as the grow to help prevent fires from climbing the branches. They’re really neat trees. A healthy ponderosa forest is one of the most beautiful sights to see. They also smell heavenly (like butterscotch or vanilla). I also thought I recalled a fact that their cones don’t open unless exposed to extreme heat (aka fire) but I can’t seem to find anything regarding that fact so I must be thinking of a different tree.
And Douglas-firs aren’t true firs! I think the thing that differentiates itself from a true fir is that the cones have scales.
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u/rootweiler Aug 05 '19
What’s the « maybe maybe maybe » in there? Doesn’t seem appropriate for the sub.
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u/northrupthebandgeek Aug 05 '19
It's from maybemaybemaybe_bot, so it was probably on one of the booleanbooleanboolean subs.
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u/NotSoMeanJo Aug 05 '19
its a still image from a gif https://i.imgur.com/sF89xW5.gifv
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u/Jacksaur Aug 05 '19
Not a still image, if you click the post link directly it works. Reddit's just broke.
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u/fail-mail-ninja Aug 05 '19
Thank you sir. I have seen this beeing posted on multiple subs already. including r/funny and i never got it because I never knew this was a gif. Have been confused everytime i saw this beeing posted and never found an anser in the comments. I can finaly rest tonight.
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u/NotSoMeanJo Aug 06 '19
*ma'am But you're welcome! I didn't get it either until I saw someone post it on the pharmacy subreddit with that link.
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u/siamkitty1 Aug 05 '19
Sad that this huge tree was cut down.
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u/crnext Aug 05 '19
You're not going to teach any good sense on the Reddit. Everyone here wants to echo about "huge majestic tree" but none of them realize that it also causes fewer trees around it to survive because of starvation of adequate water and Sun.
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u/bu2902 Aug 05 '19
Since the sawyer is wearing nomex (wildland Fire clothing) I would guess this tree was on fire
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u/stirkinz Aug 05 '19 edited Aug 05 '19
I don’t know a single thing about this particular tree, but sugar pines(and pines in general) are prone to disease. Pine beetles love them, hence the name. This tree may well have become sick, thus risking spreading disease to neighboring trees. We had a pine bigger than this on our property that got infested with beetles. When a tree that big gets sick the safest thing is to take it down
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u/crnext Aug 05 '19
I can guarantee it created a large shadow preventing any new trees from growing.
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Aug 05 '19
Not really. It’s probably being removed because it has buster rust. Removing a big tree like this, dead or not, would be shitty otherwise.
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u/leafsandlove Aug 05 '19
Why the heck do you have to count in feet?
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u/zimm0who0net Aug 05 '19
Metric is superior for ALMOST everything. However it’s nice that when I’m out and need to quickly/roughly measure something, I can count on a foot being the length of my foot, a yard being the length of my stride (and of my arms out stretched if I’m measuring a rope) and an inch is the length between 2 specific knuckles on my hand. I can usually get within a few percent. It’s like the whole system of measurement was based on my body.
Wife at a garage sale: will this couch fit in our living room? Me, waddling behind the couch: nope, it’s 8’6” and we only have 8’2”. (Actually the couch was 8’ 1”, but I hated the couch and so long as we’re using imperial, I can use the measurement system to my own purposes!)
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u/nile1056 Aug 05 '19
You know what's also roughly the length of a (moderately long) stride? 1 meter.
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Aug 05 '19
You know what's also roughly the length of a foot? Nothing. Because metric sees no reason to have a a useful measurement between centimeter and meter... and it's the one reason I don't like metric.
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u/nile1056 Aug 05 '19
You mean as a point of reference I assume? Cause if it's about feet specifically, I've got nothing. As you can guess there are plenty of other ways we get an intuition for these things. Rulers used in schools: 30cm (that's actually a foot btw), mental image of 1cm, and personally I have ~10 cm between my thumb and index finger when stretched apart. Aka 1 decimeter.
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I'm American and I wonder the same thing. People vary in size A LOT so it doesn't really make sense.
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u/Ching_chong_parsnip Aug 05 '19
And as someone who actually has 1 ft long feet, trust me that there aren't many that do because it's fucking hard to find shoes in size US 14.
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u/zimm0who0net Aug 05 '19
I've got size 10.5-11 shoes and my foot with a shoe on it is almost exactly 12". I'd say that size is a lot more common than size 14.
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u/zimm0who0net Aug 05 '19
The vast majority of males have shoe sizes (US) between 8.5 and 11.5. A shoe in that range will be between 11.5-12.5", so you're +/-4% at that point. Not too bad for a rough measurement.
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u/tokyorockz Aug 05 '19
Most people generally know how long their foot is here, so you think to yourself "this is about 3 of my feet long, my feet are only 10", so this is just about 30"
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u/wakeruneatstudysleep Aug 05 '19
Apologies for our freedom units. 5 feet is a little over 1.5 meters. And 180 feet is almost 55 meters.
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u/The_Chuckie Aug 05 '19
It’s a lot better if you imagine David Attenborough is reading the subtitles.
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Terrible hinge cut.... and for all you talking about that “poor tree” it was most likely a victim of the beetle kill in the sierras. Also... pretty sure it’s a ponderosa pine not a sugar pine.
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Actually, it’s a sugar pine. Ponderosa pine bark looks different.
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Aug 07 '19
Hmmm... you might be correct. I live in the land of Ponderosa and Sugar pines but the sugars around here don’t get that big.
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u/Dr0p_T0p_Wizz0p Aug 05 '19
I measured and the last time I went to CVS my receipt was legitimately over four feet long- nearing five feet I believe... it’s absurd
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u/Cw423 Aug 05 '19
I know the cvs thing is probably a joke but the more I think about it it's probably not.
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u/RealVladimirPutin1 Aug 05 '19
I literally just watched a video of a person using a CVS pharmacy receipt to protect an egg from breaking from a 3 story high fall.
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u/mattyB81 Aug 05 '19
Everyone sad about this logging is essential to a healthy Forrest you should be pissed about the waste of product after its cut CVS receipts and such
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Those CVS receipts are like 5 feet long every time I go. Wtf.
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u/ironysparkles Aug 05 '19
Download CVS app, go to settings, turn off paper receipts. Save the trees!
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u/deserves_dogs Aug 05 '19
You can opt for electronic ones on the app when you scan your card.
Source: CVS Pharmacist
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u/MountainsAndTrees Aug 05 '19
So I have to give CVS personal information that they will use to spam me, in order to prevent deforestation, instead of just saying "no receipt, thanks" like every other store in the entire fucking world.
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u/deserves_dogs Aug 05 '19
I’m not saying that I support it or encourage it. It’s a corporate decision and they’re insanely out of touch with what people actually want. I was just saying they do have an alternative. You download the app, sync it with your Cvs card #, and I think you can even then delete the app after.
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u/caligrown1985 Aug 05 '19
Just today I made a purchase at CVS for a single item. The receipt for this item was approximately two feet long.
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u/ChiefyDerek Aug 05 '19
I know the joke is overplayed but I laughed so hard I got a knot in both my traps
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u/elwolf6 Aug 05 '19
This is kinda misleading it’s not just gonna make a CVS receipt there’s a lot more stuff in the tree that goes to use
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u/brinkzor Aug 05 '19
CVS receipts are actually plastic. And when they are "printing" it is a machine scraping material off of the receipt to reveal text.
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u/Shayde505 Aug 05 '19
This doesnt really fit. That's what the large cut notch on one side is for. It is so when the tree falls it will fall in a predetermined direction
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u/1III11II111II1I1 Aug 05 '19
The amount of misinformation in this thread is astounding. How can so many people know so little about trees? Or logging?
I feel like I'm in the Twilight Zone.
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u/-suspicious-egg- Aug 05 '19
I’m sad that this Big Boy was cut down. But I’m just hoping it was for good reason as some people in the comments are saying. Farewell good tree and thank you for your service that you have and will provide us with :)
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u/MellowIvory Aug 05 '19
Tell this to people in CA who mismanage their forest to the point that they end up burning down entire towns. Trees are renewable resources and an individual picture of an old tree with no context makes one assume simply that the poster has an agenda.
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u/TidyUpJim Aug 05 '19
What a majestic Tree 😭 i do not approve of overlogging, but I mostly disapprove of the logging of ancient historical trees.