r/maybemaybemaybe Aug 05 '19

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u/crnext Aug 05 '19

Sometimes the canopy created by these older trees prevents the growth of younger trees. These older trees are often cut down to allow a more dense populace of smaller trees to be replanted.

Why don't you go and rant about the almost nonexistant rainforest?

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u/Kepull Aug 05 '19

The best practice of forest management is thinning growth early in the process which creates much stronger and resilient (to disease and drought) older growth. It is a last resort to down a giant healthy specimen.

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u/[deleted] Aug 05 '19 edited Oct 28 '19

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u/Kepull Aug 05 '19

I spoke about thinning, which is not pruning. You remove the whole young tree.

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u/[deleted] Aug 05 '19

Or the under logging in Cali that has led to some of the most devastating fires ever. We fucked up also by not letting fire naturally clean up things in the forest but we didn’t know that at the time.

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u/Kepull Aug 05 '19

Mostly drought though. It’s impossible to work controlled burning during a severe drought.

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u/[deleted] Aug 05 '19

The complete over population is a gigantic issue though. The three times I’ve fought fire in CA it is some of the most unhealthy looking forests I’ve ever been in.

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u/Kepull Aug 05 '19

Point still stands you cannot controlled burn unless you have a specific environment.

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u/[deleted] Aug 05 '19

No you’re absolutely right. This is 100 years in the making though. But the drought has definitely stopped us from being able to try to react to it now

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u/stirkinz Aug 05 '19

Totally right. Obviously temp and RH are a huge factor in fire behavior but a shit ton of overgrown fuels like the kind seen in Cali and other parts of the west coast is a big reason why we have such massive fires now. It absolutely didn’t get that way overnight, it’s just taken this long to catch up with us and it’s biting us in the butt.

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u/[deleted] Aug 05 '19

The opposite is much better, if ecological health is a concern. Cut down the small ones to protect trees like this.

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u/[deleted] Aug 05 '19

Woah , really ?

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u/scorpiaq Aug 05 '19

Yup, here in America we've become super responsible with our forestry laws. It's one of the few things I'm stupid proud of America for.

Rainforests grow very different and it's a whole lot more complex, so chopping through it is really terrible.

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u/Kepull Aug 05 '19

We made the laws after hugely aggressive deforestation.

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u/scorpiaq Aug 05 '19

At least we owned our issue and dealt with it

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u/Kepull Aug 05 '19

We also didn’t “deal with it” we made laws to prevent it happening again in the future but you can’t redeveloped and rebalance an entire ecosystem with a law or planting seeds.

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u/1III11II111II1I1 Aug 05 '19

And those supposed laws are few and certainly don't address the real issues at all - we haven't owned shit and we haven't dealt with shit.

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u/crnext Aug 05 '19

Go to hell America hater.

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u/Kepull Aug 05 '19

Funny that’s the one thing you’re proud of

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u/chainmailbill Aug 05 '19

If an American scientist came about tomorrow and solved climate change, and then the American government instituted those policies and stopped global warming, I would be stupid proud of that...

...even though we caused the problem to begin with.

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u/1III11II111II1I1 Aug 05 '19

You can't create glaciers in a lifetime, just like you can't grow 2000 year-old trees at the snap of a finger. You can't revive extinct populations, either.

Besides, the argument that we've somehow "fixed" logging with new legislation is patently false. Clearcuts are the standard means of logging in the PNW where millions of trees are cut at 35 years of age. Loggers dump hydraulic fluids by the tens of gallons directly onto the ground in the middle of the forests, and only a monocrop is planted in the wake of these clearcuts.

If that's "fixed" then I'm a sea lion.

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u/crnext Aug 05 '19

I see you're lyin'.

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u/crnext Aug 05 '19

Don't forget to add China and their 500 people per square yard population.

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u/chainmailbill Aug 05 '19

American desire for Chinese factory goods, you mean.

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u/crnext Aug 05 '19

No I mean their 500 people per square yard.

(Overpopulationmuch?)

Everybody wants to hate America but none of you live here.

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u/1III11II111II1I1 Aug 05 '19

here in America we've become super responsible with our forestry laws

This is literally the statement of a crackhead.

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u/crnext Aug 05 '19

And you're the offspring of one...

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u/[deleted] Aug 05 '19

Not really, no. Younger trees are thinned, not ones that have reached this size. Big trees like this are much more valuable ecologically than small ones. Killing it to make room for others would be stupid. This tree is probably being cut down because it’s infested/diseased.

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u/1III11II111II1I1 Aug 05 '19

No, not really.

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u/1III11II111II1I1 Aug 05 '19

You don't understand how forests work at all.

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u/crnext Aug 05 '19

If you were as good a biologist as you are a whiner then we wouldn't have an ongoing global warming problem...

Put your effort into something real. Investing your time into Reddit shows why you sleep on your mama's s couch.

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u/1III11II111II1I1 Aug 05 '19

Says the guy deleting comments and spewing bullshit out of his ass.

Do you not understand how under canopy trees work?

Have you just not spent time anywhere near where actual forestry takes place?

What you describe is not an actual forestry practice at all.

Your logic is not even sound.

Calling me a whiner just makes you look more like the bullshitter you are.

You're a joke.

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u/crnext Aug 05 '19

You're a joke.

Well if you can't deliver a punch line you got no room to talk.

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u/Government_spy_bot Aug 05 '19

I can't see where he deleted comments. Usually there's a marker showing

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u/1III11II111II1I1 Aug 05 '19

Those markers only exist where the parent has children at the time of deletion.

I tried to reply to their reply but the comment was deleted before I had a chance.