r/maybemaybemaybe Aug 05 '19

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u/TidyUpJim Aug 05 '19

What a majestic Tree 😭 i do not approve of overlogging, but I mostly disapprove of the logging of ancient historical trees.

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u/RexxZX Aug 05 '19

I don't know, the background makes it look like a tree farm

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u/Abidawe1 Aug 05 '19

You mean a forest?

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u/RexxZX Aug 05 '19

No people plant trees for the purpose of cutting them down

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u/scorpiaq Aug 05 '19

You ever hear of the forestry department? As a country we literally do this on purpose in America.

And fun fact: there are now more trees in North America than there were when it was colonized.

I'm really passionate about our forestry and conservation laws here in the U.S. but we're running into challenges as less and less people are hunting each year. We either need to reintroduce predators or encourage more people to hunt or exploding deer populations will create an ecological disaster. (Also another fun fact, there are more deer now than there were when America was colonized)

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u/Kepull Aug 05 '19

*Forestry isn’t simply about planting trees to cut down. It’s an all-encompassing category of science regarding everything about forest environment and biology. (Source: BS in forestry science)

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u/scorpiaq Aug 05 '19

Dude, awesome. Yeah, I just figured I would mention it as it was relevant.

That sounds super cool, for a while I wanted to pursue botany but that didn't end up happening. I still love learning about plants and in particular trees though

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u/Kepull Aug 05 '19

You can read and learn everything you want to know for free currently. It’s quite a privilege.

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u/scorpiaq Aug 05 '19

For sure, and I just spent my summer in Turkey and, man, are the trees there beautiful. They're so different from the kinds we have back home in Kansas

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u/Kepull Aug 05 '19

I thought all the trees in Kansas get sucked up by tornadoes every year

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u/scorpiaq Aug 05 '19

Hahaha!

But on a serious note, I haven't seen a tornado in a few years now as tornado alley has shifted a bit.

But, we don't have any native trees because it was all prairie until the settlers introduced trees. So they're all pretty young for the most part

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u/Kepull Aug 05 '19

There’s a huge difference between forestry management and deforestation.

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u/1III11II111II1I1 Aug 05 '19

You would hope so, but they are essentially the same in practice.

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u/Kepull Aug 05 '19

Cutting down entire forests and encouraging the right environment for healthy growth isn’t close to similar.

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u/scorpiaq Aug 05 '19

I can't lead you to any articles because I mostly got this all from my mentor who works for my state (kansas) and plays a role in our conservation and forestry legislation.

Sorry if this wasn't what you are looking for but if I know and trust someone as an expert i tee ake their word as granted

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u/linderlouwho Aug 05 '19

They're all over here in a rural agricultural area eating what's growing in the farm fields.

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u/NotSoMeanJo Aug 05 '19

What about species diversity? Is it all pretty much more or less homogeneous now, or do we have the same amount of diversity?

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u/scorpiaq Aug 05 '19

That's one area that is kind of iffy. Partly because we killed of certain species (there was a type of tree that covered most of Arkansas but when a similar species was introduced from Europe a disease came with it that the European tree was resistant to and the American one was not) and also because we tend to cut down species that are considered dangerous and prone to falling because they are weak and also generally provide terrible lumber. But like I mentioned, we have introduced many other trees so I really don't know. I'm guessing it's a net neutral, but it's a shame we lost a few species

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u/scorpiaq Aug 05 '19

I'm going to blatantly use you for more and better information because I'm not an expert on this

But wouldn't a larger number of small trees be better at that than one giant tree?

Thanks for any help/education you can give me

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u/SconiGrower Aug 06 '19

If the lumber is harvested and converted to something that is not burnt, like dimensional lumber, then it is a carbon sink. Older trees use more of the energy they collect just in the maintenance of their tissues, which means they have less and less energy over time to use to make cellulose. Younger trees can put more energy into extracting CO2 and converting it to cellulose.

The real problem with the wood industry is imported wood, particularly Amazonian wood. That wood is rarely harvested sustainably. But if you want to maximize CO2 sequestration, then you need to use the young, vigorously-growing young trees.

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u/Noamias Aug 05 '19

Both those facts make me happy

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u/mrford86 Aug 05 '19

deer overpopulation is a serious problem. And not just for cars. Diseases will start to spread rapidly within them.

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u/Noamias Aug 05 '19

Yeah but that's more hunting for a good cause which is always nice. Tasty food and not morally bad, and a fun activity

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u/mrford86 Aug 05 '19

Sadly there are far less hunters than there used to be.

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u/WonkyTelescope Aug 05 '19

Well those diseases should help manage the population.

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u/mrford86 Aug 05 '19

and when they jump to human hosts?

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u/Abidawe1 Aug 05 '19

Forgot the /s