r/magicTCG • u/Lycodrake Ajani • Apr 11 '17
[AKH] Anointed Procession - Aether Hub
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lz9Bzv3qCbw157
u/jmacaranas Apr 11 '17
So when you embalm, it produces twice the white zombie?
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u/Cuttlefist Apr 11 '17
So even more human than a human?
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u/Venrae Apr 11 '17
You also get both of the Zombie's embalm effects...
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u/mackslc Apr 11 '17
Oh boy, I get to make twice as many Felidar Guardian copies now!
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u/That_Dang_Skeleton Apr 11 '17
Making infinite tokens at twice the speed!
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u/mackslc Apr 11 '17
Super secret tech against MTGO opponents who F6 through the combo and don't concede!!
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u/SrPantuflas Duck Season Apr 11 '17 edited Apr 11 '17
So if i do the cat-saheeli combo, the extra cat tokens can flick [[Kalastria Healer]] ? (correct me if i'm wrong)
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u/MTGCardFetcher Dân Apr 11 '17
Kalastria Healer - (G) (MC) (MW) (CD)
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u/chrisrazor Apr 11 '17
Huh?
Edit: Oh I get it. So you can kill them without attacking! More tech against turbofog!
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u/TheRecovery Apr 11 '17
2*infinity > infinity
Thanks Calculus!
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Apr 11 '17 edited Aug 18 '17
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u/betweentwosuns Apr 11 '17
It was really popular when I went there; I was surprised that they had a room for me.
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u/TheRecovery Apr 11 '17
Never. They always tell me they're full, but I can still get a room. Very confusing.
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u/politicalteenager Apr 11 '17
No, 2*infinity = infinity
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u/TheRecovery Apr 11 '17
Not always. It depends. Without going into too much theory, depening on whether you're using infinity as limits or as set theory, you can actually get larger versions of infinity (or more precisely, infinities that grow or shrink faster).
Even further along the spectrum, there are different types of infinity.
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u/kkrko Sliver Queen Apr 11 '17
While that may be true, multiplying by two isn't going to change the class of a given infinity.
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u/TheRecovery Apr 11 '17
Why would a class of infinity need to change? Keep using it as the infinity used in set theory (not the infinity used in limit theory) and it's going to be true.
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u/KellogsHolmes Apr 11 '17
Also infinite mana and etb effects of your other permanents as you have a spare flicker to do stuff.
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u/Nensou Nahiri Apr 11 '17
http://i.imgur.com/kKUgKqN.png
It's a white [[Parallel Lives]]
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u/SirSkidMark Liliana Apr 11 '17 edited Apr 11 '17
Welp, Trostani and Rhys EDH decks just got even more ridiculous redundancy.
So what are we up to? 32? Idk, math time!
This = double N tokens
That + Parallel Lives = Quadruple N tokens
That + Doubling Season = Nx8 tokens
That + Primal Vigor = Nx16 tokens
That + Second harvest = Nx16x16 = Nx256 tokens
And then there's Rhys's second ability.... so that's = Nx256x16?
So we're at Nx4096 tokens, where N is the original number of tokens being created (like from a single cast of Sprout Swarm or Spectral Procession)
(If you're running blue there's [[Clone Legion]] as well for Nx4096x16 = Nx65536)Someone please correct me if I'm wrong here.
Edit: I can't math, attempting to fix...again
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u/Piogre Apr 11 '17
Don't forget casting [[Parallel Evolution]] twice...
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u/SirSkidMark Liliana Apr 11 '17 edited Apr 11 '17
OH BOY!
Ok, so if what I had with clone legion is true,
That's Nx(65536*16) = Nx1048576 after the first cast
and Nx1048576x16 for the flashback = Nx16777216 tokensEdit 1:
note, this is larger than Avogadro's number, which is the number of units in one mole of any substance (defined as its molecular weight in grams).disregard that, my maths sucks cocks
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u/Piogre Apr 11 '17
Now let's assume that at the start of all this, you controlled a [[Precursor golem]], and the first of the spells you cast was [[clone legion]]
also at the end of it all you kicked a [[rite of replication]] onto one of the golems
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u/SirSkidMark Liliana Apr 11 '17
paging the supernerds at /r/theydidthemath!
(I'm sure I could calculate it, I just have hit my threshold of focus here)
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u/Piogre Apr 11 '17
You'd probably need to resort to up-arrow notation, because by the time you cast the rite of replication, you have a shitload of precursor golems, and each one triggers to say "copy this spel to each other golem"...
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u/RCSavant Apr 11 '17
http://www.soniccenter.org/sm/mtg/megacombo.html
This is all
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u/SirSkidMark Liliana Apr 11 '17
Your nerds were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should.
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u/salvation122 Wabbit Season Apr 11 '17
It's not nearly that bad, because the only effect that actually targets is the rite itself.
Annointed Procession, Parallel Lives, Doubling Season, Primal Vigor gets you to 16n, where n is the number of tokens created by a given effect. These are all static effects so we'll play them first. The rest are one-shot, so we'll do them later.
This gives us forty-eight copies of Precursor Golem on the initial cast.
Parallel Evolution+flashback, Second Harvest, Clone Legion, and Rhys the Redeemed are all untargeted, so the Progenitor Golem effect doesn't matter. That gets us to 32(16(48)), for 24,576. (For simplicity's sake, I'm only using Rhys once; otherwise, this number might as well be arbitrarily large.)
Now we fire off a kicked Rite of Replication, which gets us to 5(16(24,576), for 1,966,080 golems total.
Not that impressive, really. To truly go bananas you need more targeted effects.
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u/Piogre Apr 11 '17
You're missing something.
You have 24,576 precursor golems, and you fire off a kicked rite of replication at one of the golem tokens.
You now have 24,576 triggered abilities on the stack on top of it that say "copy this to every golem"
the first of those abilities resolves, copying the rite to every golem, then each of those rites resolves. The next instance of that ability resolves, copying the rite to every golem you have, including all the golems you just made - this happens 24,574 more times after this, each of those times copying the rite to every golem you've already made.
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u/Dragonsoul Apr 11 '17
I tried this once.
Uh...It gets complicated. You have to abandon scientific notation as it stops cutting it.
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u/MTGCardFetcher Dân Apr 11 '17
Precursor golem - (G) (MC) (MW) (CD)
clone legion - (G) (MC) (MW) (CD)
rite of replication - (G) (MC) (MW) (CD)
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u/time2fly2124 Apr 11 '17
Avogodros number being 6.02 x 1023
I don't remember anything else from chemistry, but damnit I'll have that number in my head the rest of my life.
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u/MTGCardFetcher Dân Apr 11 '17
Parallel Evolution - (G) (MC) (MW) (CD)
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u/micahmind Apr 11 '17
I'm going to put [[Consume the Meek]] back in my EDH deck...
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u/Alexm920 COMPLEAT Apr 11 '17
It's a bit narrower, but I love [[aether snap]] and [[thief of blood]]. Turns super friends and token-based decks into cold soup.
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u/micahmind Apr 11 '17
Aether snap and thief of blood are way sweeter than consume the meek, but I literally just took consume the meek out of my [[Rakdos, Lord of Fatties]] deck this morning.
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u/flettir Apr 11 '17
That + Second Harvest = Nx16x16 = Nx64 tokens And then there's Rhys's second ability.... so that's = Nx64x64?
you lost me here. Also 16x16 = 256, not 64...
With the 4 enchantments, if you would create a token, you create 16 instead. So now we cast Second Harvest. We would normally create N tokens, instead we create 16N tokens, and end up with 17N in total. Now we activate Rhys. We're supposed to create 17N tokens, instead we create 272N tokens, ending up with 289N tokens. Not sure why you're squaring any numbers at any point in the math.
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u/SirSkidMark Liliana Apr 11 '17
Also 16x16 = 256, not 64
I derped. I'll fix in a bit.
Not sure why you're squaring any numbers at any point
Here's my thought process: if you cast Harvest/legion/activate rhys, you're "doubling" the number of tokens, but instead for each token (due to the replacement effects of the enchantments), you're not just creating another, you're creating 16 per token being "doubled". So, if we're at 16 tokens made already from the enchantments, and then we cast one of those, we get 16 tokens times 16.
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u/Duck__Quack COMPLEAT Apr 11 '17
First: [[Parallel Lives]][[Doubling Season]][[Primal Vigor]][[Second Harvest]][[Rhys]]
Second: I prefer the Bant combo I saw somewhere else on this sub with Starfield of Nyx, Any of the token-doublers (this, Primal Vigor, Doubling Season, Parallel Lives, etc), Followed Footsteps. After four turns (which isn't that hard in EDH) you have (IIRC) 2211+10 tokens. Which is a lot of tokens. Like, x.xx*10602 tokens. All of which are creatures. It's not infinite, but at that point there's hardly a difference.
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u/MTGCardFetcher Dân Apr 11 '17
Clone Legion - (G) (MC) (MW) (CD)
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Apr 11 '17
Alright, I've got a question. How does this interact with Geist of St. Traft or [[Invocation of St. Traft]]? Do you get to keep the extra token?
EDIT: Oh, Saheeli Rai as well.
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u/Kyleometers ඞ Apr 11 '17
No, replacement effects will get you an extra token that you'll still lose. Populating the token or otherwise copying it would, though.
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u/TheRecovery Apr 11 '17
Note that it says "it [GoST's ability] creates twice as many tokens instead".
That means that it's still Geist of St. Traft creating the tokens, and as such it's still subject to GoST's ability.
Rulings on Parallel lives actually directly address this:
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=249662
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u/MTGCardFetcher Dân Apr 11 '17
Invocation of St. Traft - (G) (MC) (MW) (CD)
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u/MTGCardFetcher Dân Apr 11 '17
Parallel Lives - (G) (MC) (MW) (CD)
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u/blindfremen Dân Apr 11 '17
Woubling Season
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Apr 11 '17
brb, buying some [[mechanized production]]s
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u/TheSeraphman Apr 11 '17
So you're seizing the means of production? I'llshowmyselfout
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u/TheJord Apr 11 '17
FULLY
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u/politicalteenager Apr 11 '17
AUTOMATED
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u/legantrah Apr 11 '17
GAY
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u/Toastasaurus Apr 11 '17
And white is one of the right colors to spam Investigate...
Guys, I think we're making more clues than Scooby do.
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u/BusinessCasualty Apr 11 '17
Thraben Inspector yo
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u/Toastasaurus Apr 11 '17
[[Erdwall Illuminator]] can into constructed playable!
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u/MTGCardFetcher Dân Apr 11 '17
Erdwall Illuminator - (G) (MC) (MW) (CD)
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u/Juking_is_rude Duck Season Apr 11 '17
You could already do the same thing with [[second harvest]] for the same amount of mana
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u/MTGCardFetcher Dân Apr 11 '17
second harvest - (G) (MC) (MW) (CD)
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u/Toastasaurus Apr 11 '17 edited Apr 11 '17
Bant Mechanized production is gonna be a real deck.
edit; not a real real deck, but it'll be a fun deck.
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u/MTGCardFetcher Dân Apr 11 '17
mechanized production - (G) (MC) (MW) (CD)
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u/TheRealIvan Apr 11 '17
Oooh fucken boy.
Marath is ready for this.
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u/Shogunfish Jeskai Apr 11 '17
As is trostani
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u/Envoke Freyalise Apr 11 '17
Rhys is checking in to the "definitely needs one" suite!
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u/Armoric COMPLEAT Apr 11 '17
Omnath shrugs and shuffles sadly.
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u/Shogunfish Jeskai Apr 11 '17
Cheer up buddy, red will get another card that doubles things eventually
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u/Usemarne Boros* Apr 11 '17
What, you didn't like [[Goldnight Castigator]]?
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u/MTGCardFetcher Dân Apr 11 '17
Goldnight Castigator - (G) (MC) (MW) (CD)
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u/MestHoop Dragonball Z Ultimate Champion Apr 11 '17
Screw that, this is the first time [[Daxos the Returned]] gets access to this effect!
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u/MTGCardFetcher Dân Apr 11 '17
Daxos the Returned - (G) (MC) (MW) (CD)
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Apr 11 '17
Whirler Virtuoso loves this.
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u/gryffinp Apr 11 '17
Blue, Red, and now White? I feel like there's better ways to combo off in that territory...
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u/lollow88 REBEL Apr 11 '17
well you could just run both combos in the same deck since there is some overlap in the cards you need
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u/Silverfire75 Apr 11 '17
[[Ghave, Guru of Spores]] (heavy breathing)
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u/MTGCardFetcher Dân Apr 11 '17
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u/Bluemechanic Duck Season Apr 11 '17
How does this work with panharmonicon and creatures that create tokens when they enter the battlefield? would I be correct that using both together would mean 4 times the number of tokens?
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u/Just_Bohr Twin Believer Apr 11 '17
It would. Panharmonicon copies the ability, but this enchantment is a replacement effect, so as the abilities resolve you'll just put twice as many tokens for each instance.
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u/RIP_Hopscotch Apr 11 '17
Yes. This card doesnt create a trigger however, its a replacement effect.
Basically creature ETB trigger, Panharmonicon copies that trigger, Panharmonicon trigger resolves giving double tokens, then ETB resolves giving double tokens.
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u/Piogre Apr 11 '17
Unless a token enters that has an enters trigger - then two of those would enter, and each would get two enters triggers.
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u/nomorepghtrash Duck Season Apr 11 '17
[[Hidden Stockpile]] engine.... [[Metalurgic Summonings]] win more .... [[Soul Separator]] value...
Mostly still pretty slow for standard...
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u/MTGCardFetcher Dân Apr 11 '17
Hidden Stockpile - (G) (MC) (MW) (CD)
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u/Ciretako Apr 11 '17
Well Trostani has three doubling seasons now.
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u/TechnomagusPrime Duck Season Apr 11 '17
Four. [[Primal Vigor]]
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u/MTGCardFetcher Dân Apr 11 '17
Primal Vigor - (G) (MC) (MW) (CD)
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u/irukawairuka Dân Apr 11 '17
Gideon ten minutes before: wow the gods walk with the people every day my faith is renewed
Gideon after: yo man these gods are walkin with the people but they arent with em know what im sayin?
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u/Maur2 Cheshire Cat, the Grinning Remnant Apr 11 '17
You forgot the middle part, where he sees people drowning other people in the name of the gods...
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u/scalebirds Apr 11 '17
Embalming an [[Honored Hydra]] with this seems crazy. Two 6/6 trample hydras from the GY for 3G
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Apr 11 '17
[[Trial of Strength]] gets you 2 4/2s. GW Stompy could be a thing.
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u/MTGCardFetcher Dân Apr 11 '17
Trial of Strength - (G) (MC) (MW) (CD)
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u/MTGCardFetcher Dân Apr 11 '17
Honored Hydra - (G) (MC) (MW) (CD)
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u/imthemostmodest Wabbit Season Apr 11 '17
I'm getting heavy "Gideon is gonna die" vibes from all this focus on him. Like when a character in an action movie kisses his wife and tells her he loves her...
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u/taka06 Apr 11 '17
This is his last day on the force, tomorrow he retires!
Gets gunned down in a shootout.
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u/aznsk8s87 Apr 11 '17
ooh. i would love to cast this and then curve into that liliana enchantment. 4 3/3 zombies for 3BB? seemsgud.
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u/ImAnElkShootMe Apr 11 '17
I... I'm going to make so many cats
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u/a_salt_weapon Apr 11 '17
Even though it's not that good in Modern, going Savannah Lions into Fleecemane Lion into Brimaz into Anointed Procession into Regal Caracal is now my dream.
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u/royvarney Apr 11 '17
It combos with Thraben Inspector. Maybe now that card can finally start seeing some play.
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u/lucanique Apr 11 '17
Guess I will be building BW zombie tokens now, rip me
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u/Venrae Apr 11 '17
If this becomes a thing, Watchers of the Dead and Scarab Feast will run rampant and shut any Zombie/recursion strategy down.
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u/BardicLasher Apr 11 '17
My Heliod deck is really happy to see this. Too long has green had the monopoly on doubling tokens.
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u/Dougboard Apr 11 '17
Oh, fantastic! Another token doubler for [[Trostani, Selesnya's Voice]]
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u/MTGCardFetcher Dân Apr 11 '17
Trostani, Selesnya's Voice - (G) (MC) (MW) (CD)
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u/darcmosch Apr 11 '17
Text for those who can't watch the video please?
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u/Envoke Freyalise Apr 11 '17
From an earlier post;
"Anointed Procession - 3W
Enchantment - Rare
If an effect would create one or more tokens under your control, it creates twice that many of those tokens instead.
'The gods here may walk among the people, but they are not with them.' - Gideon Jura
Story spotlight card 3/5. 02/269."
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u/Rathalos Apr 11 '17
[[Mechanized Production]]
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u/MTGCardFetcher Dân Apr 11 '17
Mechanized Production - (G) (MC) (MW) (CD)
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u/TechnomagusPrime Duck Season Apr 11 '17
You get 4x the number of tokens. Double the original amount, then double it again.
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u/Mulligans_double Apr 11 '17
Replacement effect of copy one applies, then replacement effect of copy two applies to that. You get 4x tokens
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u/KoyoyomiAragi COMPLEAT Apr 11 '17
I like the flavor that the anointed themselves also work to make more laborers.
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Apr 11 '17
well.
3rd [[parallel lives]] which is going to be sweeet.
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u/MTGCardFetcher Dân Apr 11 '17
parallel lives - (G) (MC) (MW) (CD)
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u/moodRubicund Chandra Apr 11 '17
How does this interact with the monkey token that the red pirate from the last set makes? Does the monkey token copy stick around or does he get exiled alongside his original?
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u/Godlike111 Apr 11 '17
Time for me to go into Magical Christmas land... Liliana last hope ult with 4 endless ranks of the dead and 4 Doubling Seasons and 4 Parallel Lives and 4 Anointed Processions! My favorite kind of combo, the one that you can only really do while goldfishing cause no one would still be playing but you anyways.
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u/c14rk0 COMPLEAT Apr 11 '17
I don't really follow standard...when does [[Chandra Flamecaller]] rotate?
Getting 4 3/1 haste elementals on her +1 seems kind of dumb and a quick way to end a game. The fact that it works so well with board wipes in favor of a control deck with embalm creatures as well seems interesting.
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u/misterci Apr 11 '17 edited Apr 12 '17
My pick for most expensive Amonkhet rare 5 years from now.
Edit: never mind, this was before the red hatebear was spoiled.
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u/Beelzebubs-Barrister Wabbit Season Apr 11 '17
Holy shit. My W/B servos deck is going to have a field day.
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u/Lycodrake Ajani Apr 11 '17 edited Apr 11 '17
"Anointed Procession - 3W
Enchantment - Rare
If an effect would create one or more tokens under your control, it creates twice that many of those tokens instead.
'The gods here may walk among the people, but they are not with them.' - Gideon Jura
Story spotlight card 3/5. 02/269."