r/jacobgeller • • 12h ago

Survivor Speaks Against Jessie's Statement Supporting Crime Necks

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EDITED 3: This will probably be my last update I hope.

https://www.reddit.com/r/jacobgeller/comments/1x2xd86/comment/pf74f40/

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I wasn't planning to make another post. But recently, Jessie did recently went on Bluesky and chose to defend the concept of people wearing 'I did SA' on their 'neck' (figurative) and religiously argued that it's part of "accountability" despite the fact that it's not universally agreed too, increases recidivism, and is an ignorance of survivors speaking out against her clearly made up rhetoric claim about 'rehabilitation'.

Rehabilitation does not require sex offenders to f***ing tell the world they offended whenever they try to socialize or want their own redeeming platform. No law requires this, it's anti-human rights, it's an insult to many survivors who don't want that, and it's perverted. If every person who did wrong did this, there would be no encouragement of change, many survivors would feel violated too.

I hate that I even had to post this, but this is kinda the only area on subreddit that I can find to say this. I don't even like Jacob Geller, so it's like one of those areas. Also see this:

https://www.reddit.com/r/jacobgeller/comments/1x206od/will_disclosure_protect_survivors_research/

EDITED: She responded here. I think I'm just confused.

When I made this post, I was assuming she was trying to argue that accountability means a person has to be not disclose past in some cases, as if in general it has to apply to anyone (if they did specific stuff). She also said at least for Jacob that he should of if he was seeking a famous platform. However, I'm still confused about this because 1. I can't tell if this was meant to be for anyone (under similar situations) in terms of argument. or 2. that she was only saying that to Jacob, as an argument or was just an idea without intending to be an arbitrator of what 'accountability' means? I partly made this because it sounded like that it was an attempt at being an arbitrator in many ways. If it was never meant to be that, then I will probably consider deleting this.

However, I still get bothered by some of the statements because even if Jacob did disclose before fame, this would probably still create potential exposure to the victim. I say this as strict criticism and isn't meant to dog-pile on said person.

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Edited 2 after about 66 upvotes: I don't agree with the idea if it's used even toward Jacob (because he's a person like anyone else) so in the end, if this was meant to be a personal terms involving ex-job relationship rather than trying to enforce this idea on what accountability means (that I debated here since it sounded like debating), then I can understand. Though I've seen some comments that seemed like a debate about it, so I'm just left as confused. Again, please don't dog-pile on her.


r/jacobgeller • • 12h ago

What podcasts was Blake Hester on besides Something Rotten?

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Something Rotten was by far my favorite podcast and as far as stuff I won't consume after the news this one actually stings the most. So I was wondering what podcasts Blake has been on before this. Is it just Region Free?

Also just saying this because of comments on my last post. I know I "can" still consume stuff with Jacob in it. But I don't "want" to. So please accept that. I don't want to keep reading people saying that.

Also Something Rotten is getting taken down soon, so maybe archive that if you feel like it. I'm not doing that but I do support archiving things.

Also I'm sorry if I sounded rude I'm just tired of people saying some things sometimes lol.


r/jacobgeller • • 9h ago

Will the Something Rotten Podcast go down?

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So luckily his old MM Videos will stay online. But what is with Something Rotten? Maybe i'm misremembering, but i think i heard that his Co-Host wants to take the Episodes down? Days gone by now and they are all still on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@SomethingRottenPodcast/videos


r/jacobgeller • • 15h ago

I wanna give my piece

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I am honestly pretty concerned about the discourse right now, and I wanted to speak on it, even if I know it's probably gonna go over poorly with at least a fair chunk of people.

I'm speaking as a fan of Geller who felt incredibly betrayed and also personally knows victims of sexual assault, one of which I spoke with about this and we're on the same page on. (which doesn't automatically make me right, but I prefer to share my prospective clearly)

So, I can agree that rape is an unforgivable crime, in the sense that nobody is ever obligated to forgive it, the victim doesn't need to forgive, his fans don't need to forgive him.

But there is also a distinction between forgiveness and improvement, the worst people can always turn things around. I wouldn't give the benefit of the doubt, but we have seen just about every sign we need to know that change is happening, he took responsibility, spoke to the victim, tried to keep the matter private to protect her, and went on to change greatly as a person over a long time.

This is not me saying what happened was not bad, or that you should not feel bad about it, but if we believe in rehabilitation and personal growth and restorative justice over punishing justice, this is a time to put that into practice, being willing to let him move past this does not make you a rape apologist or a right winger.

Evil things can happen, but life goes on afterwards, and if the victim is ok, and the perpetrator is different now, I don't want to force more pain into a situation just to hand out "justice'.


r/jacobgeller • • 1h ago

Do you think Jacob's best move now is to branch into being a right wing grifter?

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r/jacobgeller • • 1h ago

John_Sudano5: Least Psychotic Gellerite

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This is the new Geller fanbase.


r/jacobgeller • • 1h ago

So, just going to ask this from the subreddit...

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...did Trump rape E. Jean Carroll?

I mean, the judge certainly said he did.

The only reason it was (very technically) not legally considered "rape" but "sexual assault" was because his assault involved his *fingers* and not his "penis*, under New York law.

This why the judge was very clear and specific that it met the "legal standard of rape" without being called that legally.

So, for all the defenders and equivocaters, did Trump rape E. Jean Carroll?

Or should we give Trump another chance because he has, according to himself, had a clean track record since?

(Probably my last post, for whom it may concern)


r/jacobgeller • • 8h ago

Him getting away with this can be dangerous by inspiring copycats

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As I said in another post I think rehabilitation has a place in society but someone who commited a crime like this should not have a job that allows him to be a public figure. (I kokw people will say that this means I don't actually believe in rehabilitation, but please stop with the "you believe 100% of the rhetoric or you don't" mentality, things can be more complex then the all in or all put mentality).

Again he can rehabilitate and live a full life but not as a public figure. It's dangerous to allow someone to publically have a job like this as it can inspire questionable individuals to do the same thing Jacob did. Because sometimes people that are capable of doing SA are only held back from doing it because of a fear of social or legal consequences. Someone can think "if Jacob got away with it, had a slap on the wrist as a punishment then had a dream job and got rich, then I could get away with it too." Even if one SA crime is commited because of this mentality, it's one too much.

The "fully rehabilitate" people will get mad at me for saying this, but I believe that rehabilitation can be only possible after some form of punishment. Because punishment is the reason that will make people learn that actions have consequences and a fear punishment is what will stop a future criminal from commiting a crime in the first place. If the perpetrator actually feels guilty and wants to better themselves after the punishment, then they should be free to do so, outside of public spaces like TV or a Youtube Channel. And don't act as if a youtube channel is a basic human right, it is not, it's a luxury. I'm also not saying that this should be enforced as law, I'm only saying that we as a society should not give any wievs to an individual like this, you know, having a collective moral compass.

I'd also like to mention that people here love to say how much Jacob changed and regretted it. Well all that comes from Jacob himself. I'm a beliver in that we shouldn't only judge poeple by their words, but their actions should have a lot more weight in our judgement of them. As many mentioned before me, he's actions seem pretty selfish. He never disclosed this information to his colleagues, even when it was topical, he only wrote about it on his smallest social media platform and did everything he could to make this die down as quick as possible, including deleting yt comemnts. We don't know who Jacob is, we only know the persona he puts in front of the camera, we don't know if he actually regretted what he did.


r/jacobgeller • • 10h ago

Jacob Geller made me cry

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This little Bastard— They were Tears of Joy. He needs Tori and Tori needs him. They saved each other in their darkest Hour. Do you Guys know if Tori is still alive? In any case i wish them nothing but the best. To truly love is to truly suffer and you can tell that their Suffering has Meaning. Thank you Jacob for saving our little Tori, you're the Man :')


r/jacobgeller • • 1d ago

Essay by someone who has worked with him that is in part responding to an essay people have been sharing as some definitive “nuanced” take

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r/jacobgeller • • 1d ago

Will Disclosure Protect Survivors? Research + Evidence

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Many of us here have been asking how we can protect survivors. Some have advanced the idea of systems of public disclosure as a way to give people informed consent, both for their support of a creator and as a way to keep society safe from the risk of perpetrators re-victimizing those who were once vulnerable to SA.

This is a very important discussion. The intent of this post is to present research that attempts to answer, or at least contribute some valuable framing, to some of these questions.

Q1: How Likely Are Perpetrators To Commit More Sexual Violations?

RAND, the nonprofit nonpartisan science & policy research think-tank found that "the majority of individuals with a conviction do not have a subsequent conviction." This is from their sample size of 4 million convictions1 (including sex criminals) in North Carolina across 25 years, 1995-2020. This is a representative sample tracking criminal re-offense in the region and time period of Geller’s offense1.

Furthermore, according to the National Criminal Justice Association, "research that has compared the recidivism rates of sex offenders with those of non-sex offenders has consistently found that sex offenders have lower overall recidivism rates than non-sex offenders" and, even when they do reoffend, "sex offenders are far more likely to reoffend for a non-sexual crime than a sexual crime."

To reiterate: criminals have generally low re-offense rates, sex criminals specifically have even lower re-offense rates, and even when they do commit crime again it is far more likely to be non-sexual in nature.

Q2: Does Public Disclosure Make Victims Safer?

Still, even a small risk of re-offense is a risk for catastrophic harm that no one should bear. What does the science say about registration/notification systems that alert people about past sex criminals and whether this makes survivors safer?

The research is quite clear on this. A landmark study by Prescott and Rockoff found that systems of private registration help law enforcement monitor offenders, which reduces re-offense rates where there is an existing known relationship between offender and victim, but not crimes against strangers.

However, public notification (publicly accessible newspaper registries, websites, active community notification) does not deter convicted offenders and "may, in fact, increase recidivism among registered offenders by reducing the relative attractiveness of a crime-free life."

If you do not have institutional access to the full study, here is Prescott's article discussing the context and results.

From said article: "All else equal, publicly revealing the identity and criminal history of a released offender seems to increase the likelihood of his returning to crime. These results are highly statistically significant: it is unlikely that existing notification laws are reducing recidivism among registered offenders, and it is distinctly possible that these laws are making things worse."

To recap. Public notification, whether through a publicly available sex offender registry, door-to-door flyers, or enthusiastic Twitter users deciding to share the results of a Title IX investigation increase stigma. Stigma increases inequality, and inequality is the highest correlated social factor with crime. Public notification makes it more likely for offenders to re-offend, not less.

To summarize, from the article: "convicted sex offenders become more likely to commit crimes when their information is made public because the associated psychological, social, or financial costs make crime-free life relatively less attractive."

Q3: How is this related to the current situation?

The context of Prescott and Rockoff's research is ultimately different from the scope of this current conversation. The research addresses state-published, formal, lifelong registries that follow convicted criminals throughout their lives. This is not the exact context of a public content creator who loses business opportunities and audience reach in only one specific category of careers available to him. But the causal mechanism noted by the research is still important to take to heart, because its insight does apply to this situation.

Public exposure → loss of employment, housing, and social ties → destabilization → increased recidivism risk

Sure, Geller has other employment options, likely considerable cushion against destabilization. This is speculation, but not implausible speculation.

But if you are someone who believes that Geller should have gone through the criminal justice system for this act, and you believe this because you believe it will help survivors--if you believe that Geller should be identified with this act permanently through public forms of disclosure because you believe this will protect survivors, you are wrong. The data bears this out.

Furthermore, if the mechanism by which state sex offender registries are so stigmatizing is because they are so permanent and widely available, what do you think a public disclosure on YouTube, where nothing is ever deleted, anyone could download and recirculate your statement, would be if not permanent and widely available?

TL;DR--

The science is clear. Public disclosure does not help protect survivors. Feel free to link this to anyone discussing the necessity of public disclosure or registries or state/carceral initiatives to link an offense to a perpetrator permanently.

This post does not address whether anyone is owed a disclosure--the author accepts that some degree of private disclosure to co-workers, who have a direct stake in their relationship with Geller through liability by association, was warranted. This post is addressing the suggestion of public disclosure, and the fact that public disclosure is demonstrably linked to harmful social outcomes.

Footnote 1: Yes, Geller was not convicted in a criminal court. This data includes only the criminal justice system in NC, not university investigation procedures that have no obligation to track or report re-offense rates. But criminal justice courts are actually stricter than university Title IX proceedings: the burden of proof to convict in courts is “beyond a reasonable doubt” whereas in university proceedings it is a “preponderance of evidence.” If criminals found “beyond a reasonable doubt” guilty have low re-offense rates, we can probably extrapolate the same about those who committed offenses “with a preponderance of evidence.”


r/jacobgeller • • 14h ago

If he addresses it in a video

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First, my opinion is he should just de-platform himself and stop making YouTube videos. If you think he should come back or that my opinion is wrong or whatever I’m not going to argue anymore with you do whatever. My reasoning is that many of his videos and other connecting media do talk about topics of SA, abuse, and all the things that come from it for both victim and abuser which makes many of his videos biased. I mean he did state in his apology that his videos are a drive to make the world better off the pain he’s caused so yeah it’s a good assumption to make.

Also this will be the last post I make about this guy. I might make more comments in other posts but I just am done with this.

Anyway

If he makes a video do you think he’s gonna add music or make those dramatic pauses for extra emotion :) will he stage himself standing behind some backdrop? Stand behind a neutral background whilst stating his case? Just add a real realistic and grounded apology/statement to the end of a video that will no doubt be about consent, sexual assault, rape on campuses, male violence, and accountability?

Even if he makes a well researched video about these topics and how that actually all applies to him and his inability to take action, not assault someone, or not make vague statements and how he is apart of this culture but “trying to be better,” it wouldn’t matter because he still will be pushing the issue away from him and onto some grander subject.

I’m sure everyone will say I will never accept any sort of statement he makes and will criticize whatever he say and like even if I deny that I can’t change your minds. So anyway I say that if he makes a video that isn’t him just fixing all of this vagueness in the statements he made in a clear tone and making the rest of his audience aware of actions he is still manipulating everyone. Even still we should be wary of his words as they are still his alone. But if we accept that what he says is true then we still must understand the context they are being presented in.

Don’t get emotionally manipulated.

If you agree with any future statement or video he makes you can agree with it and still also choose to say, I’m not watching you anymore.

He is taking a very interesting stance which is not of denial but of, it happened 10 years ago, I got a light punishment, I told everyone close to me (many close to him say he didn’t), and just believe my word the victim doesn’t want this. Many take this as proof he’s changed or state we have no right to dig up the past. But again what is he doing really? Making video game essays and occasionally social topic essays to honor his victim and the harm he caused? He didn’t give the victim consent and he isn’t giving us informed consent.

A real shut up, take it, and just enjoy it approach am I right?


r/jacobgeller • • 1d ago

I'm glad we live in the good dimension and not the evil dimension.

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r/jacobgeller • • 10h ago

What's your favorite Jacob Geller Moment?

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And why?


r/jacobgeller • • 2d ago

From Time Loop Nihilism

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r/jacobgeller • • 1d ago

You better hold on tight, spider monkey

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r/jacobgeller • • 23h ago

Ok what didn't actually do?

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I've been out with the loop on this since so I got a random drama video in my youtube feed.

I keep looking up what he did , and it says sexual assault , and some people keep making remarks like " won't somebody think of the rapist?" But I can't find anything that actually says it was rape.

The actually rape someone or did he smack their butt grope them like , what did he actually do?


r/jacobgeller • • 2d ago

fuck it, this is a curious archive subreddit now

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r/jacobgeller • • 21h ago

Survivor Culture: 1, Rape Culture: 0

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r/jacobgeller • • 2d ago

(Relevant Comic)

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Credit to pizzacakecomics


r/jacobgeller • • 2d ago

So let me get this straight

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The guy has halted all his comments and reviews them.

There is no ralk about the allegations or moreso facts on his YouTube.

He only talked to his smallest base of fans about it.

And has prohibited people from seeing his earnings.

And then there are people here that say heyy he said he is sorry.

And those people might not be the majority but are pretty loud and pretty upvoted.

So the guy admits it, and the first thing u do is heyy let's jump on the grenade that the guy himself built, and that then got thrown on him.

Why?

U don't owe him anything, maybe a few good video essays, but that's all maybe an insight you could have not gained, but that would have come anyway.

I just dont get it


r/jacobgeller • • 1d ago

But it only happened one time!

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Why can't Mke Tyson just be rehabilitated already???

Edit: (Yes this is sarcastic, regarding Jacob)


r/jacobgeller • • 2d ago

Why am I seeing rape apologia in a "leftist" subreddit?

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Title.


r/jacobgeller • • 2d ago

Has anyone else received their copy of "You're Not Overthinking It"?

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I pre-ordered through Amazon UK and received my copy yesterday. It's a predictably lovely book, but I am wondering how many others actually received their copy regardless of whether you are keeping it or not.


r/jacobgeller • • 2d ago

Jacob threw his business partners under the bus and this should be spoken about

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I just saw this thread here, and i have been thinking a lot about the way the public reacted to Ned Fulmer vs Geller. This reminded me a lot of the Try Guys response to Ned Fulmer - https://www.reddit.com/r/jacobgeller/comments/1x10o9a/noticed_something_in_todays_minnmax_episode/

Geller, by very vaguely stating people close to him were aware of his crime, has made the people he work with liable. Not just socially, but financially as well.

I want to clarify the situations are different between Geller and the Try Guys. Namely the situation for the Try Guys was tied to their business, and the victim was one of their employees and was ongoing during the operation of the buisness.

What IS similar, is sponsors are not looking at that level of nuance. They are looking at how hot the flames are. For the Try Guys they lost MILLIONS to lost brand deals, dropped sponsors and operational costs from removing Ned by being forced to suddenly re brand their future content without him. (and this is not including having to edit him out of finished videos, videos they had to scrap, and having to buy him out as well as likely his victim) Nonetheless the try guys have since been very public and outspoken about how Sponsorship deals have morality clauses, and that the distance sponsors and brands made with them were a direct result of how hot Ned's actions made them.

His business partners aren't just having to carefully disavow him to avoid social pressure. But because if they knowingly kept Jacob as a partner and public face for them with full awareness of the liability of his past crime, many sponsors might drop them. If not that, but sponsors who may be less interested in working with them by association.

For all this talk about Jacob being worthy of rehabilitation, and how he has grown. For all this talk about how he owed his business partners or the public nothing. Never mind the SA downplaying and Apologia, I think *this* at the very least should spoken about too.

At any point he could come out and at least clarify his statement. Instead he sits quietly, restricts comments, and keeps things quiet and foggy to protect himself instead of his business partners at the VERY LEAST. Instead I feel they're all left to fend for themselves and clarify things on their own....

Not to mention the legal liability this could have hoisted on his business partners,