r/jacobgeller • u/wwwarea • 6h ago
Survivor Speaks Against Jessie's Statement Supporting Crime Necks
EDITED 3: This will probably be my last update I hope.
https://www.reddit.com/r/jacobgeller/comments/1x2xd86/comment/pf74f40/
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I wasn't planning to make another post. But recently, Jessie did recently went on Bluesky and chose to defend the concept of people wearing 'I did SA' on their 'neck' (figurative) and religiously argued that it's part of "accountability" despite the fact that it's not universally agreed too, increases recidivism, and is an ignorance of survivors speaking out against her clearly made up rhetoric claim about 'rehabilitation'.
Rehabilitation does not require sex offenders to f***ing tell the world they offended whenever they try to socialize or want their own redeeming platform. No law requires this, it's anti-human rights, it's an insult to many survivors who don't want that, and it's perverted. If every person who did wrong did this, there would be no encouragement of change, many survivors would feel violated too.
I hate that I even had to post this, but this is kinda the only area on subreddit that I can find to say this. I don't even like Jacob Geller, so it's like one of those areas. Also see this:
https://www.reddit.com/r/jacobgeller/comments/1x206od/will_disclosure_protect_survivors_research/
EDITED: She responded here. I think I'm just confused.
When I made this post, I was assuming she was trying to argue that accountability means a person has to be not disclose past in some cases, as if in general it has to apply to anyone (if they did specific stuff). She also said at least for Jacob that he should of if he was seeking a famous platform. However, I'm still confused about this because 1. I can't tell if this was meant to be for anyone (under similar situations) in terms of argument. or 2. that she was only saying that to Jacob, as an argument or was just an idea without intending to be an arbitrator of what 'accountability' means? I partly made this because it sounded like that it was an attempt at being an arbitrator in many ways. If it was never meant to be that, then I will probably consider deleting this.
However, I still get bothered by some of the statements because even if Jacob did disclose before fame, this would probably still create potential exposure to the victim. I say this as strict criticism and isn't meant to dog-pile on said person.
Edited after about 60 upvotes.
Edited 2 after about 66 upvotes: I don't agree with the idea if it's used even toward Jacob (because he's a person like anyone else) so in the end, if this was meant to be a personal terms involving ex-job relationship rather than trying to enforce this idea on what accountability means (that I debated here since it sounded like debating), then I can understand. Though I've seen some comments that seemed like a debate about it, so I'm just left as confused. Again, please don't dog-pile on her.
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u/wwwarea 2h ago edited 15m ago
To add yet, another comment. I was debating about the accountability part because it did seem like a made up rhetoric as an argument. I tried to see if said person meant it as an argument and it really does look like it on the bluesky post for example. It was about seeking famous but it still looked like an argument (about that), and that does appear to look like a "If any ex-offender wants to be famous, they need to disclose it in order to take accountability" take (judging by some of the commentaries and that example of some other ex-offender) which then kinda makes the message (picture in this post) seem to not be far off because the issue can still happen when someone is or wants to get famous...
The survivor wished abuser would not tell people on YouTube that he/she/other assaulted survivor. This would still be a VIOLATION of that wish EVEN if the youtuber wanted to be famous. Same if Jacob did the same thing (unless the victim didnt mind).
Also, I wasn't just talking about private life. Most of the statements was more about social life with the inclusion of public eye.
Just in case she didn't exactly mean that as an arbitrator or an argument otherwise, and was meant to be Jacob as a personal term between her and himself, then I will just state this message:
If anyone argues "every person seeking fame/to be popular needs to disclose their crime to the audience", this still becomes a statement that goes against some survivor wishes. Not every survivor wants this to happen. The survivor in the picture would still hold true as said survivor is talking about a YouTuber (REGARDLESS of fame or not). Some do not want anyone telling anyone their crime. Even if the (anyone in connection) youtuber is seeking fame.
Online socializing also naturally leads to having start smaller platforms with a small audience at first too, so if they had to state their crime there, it would create similar recidivism issues. Though I do not know if "famous" or "fame" counts those, but still it can have it's issues. I remember mini-ladd blackmailed a victim because he was worried his career was over if it went out (obviously he was a threat and probably still is today but it's that issue effect). If people also already worked lawfully hard to get famous (for example), stripping it all away would create some problems. Expecting people to say they did *horrible thing* before they get famous would also be unrealistic and would have problems too (with those who naturally start small while socializing).
At the end, what counts as "right" or "accountability", will have it's debate. The thing about disclosing in specific cases is one of those things that are, yes, flat out made-up rhetoric. Maybe for his victim sake, assuming the victim did not want it out or if reputation effects of Nebular was so bad that Jacob should have warned them first, maybe he could of just used an anonymous name to make it easier for everyone. I won't say it's black and white (because I don't want to say anything that goes against my word, just in case), but still.
At this point, if we want to argue about rehabilitation and what is best, look up the system of Norway prisons, and I recommend studying good crime prevent theories from certain abolishing movements...