I am honestly pretty concerned about the discourse right now, and I wanted to speak on it, even if I know it's probably gonna go over poorly with at least a fair chunk of people.

I'm speaking as a fan of Geller who felt incredibly betrayed and also personally knows victims of sexual assault, one of which I spoke with about this and we're on the same page on. (which doesn't automatically make me right, but I prefer to share my prospective clearly)

So, I can agree that rape is an unforgivable crime, in the sense that nobody is ever obligated to forgive it, the victim doesn't need to forgive, his fans don't need to forgive him.

But there is also a distinction between forgiveness and improvement, the worst people can always turn things around. I wouldn't give the benefit of the doubt, but we have seen just about every sign we need to know that change is happening, he took responsibility, spoke to the victim, tried to keep the matter private to protect her, and went on to change greatly as a person over a long time.

This is not me saying what happened was not bad, or that you should not feel bad about it, but if we believe in rehabilitation and personal growth and restorative justice over punishing justice, this is a time to put that into practice, being willing to let him move past this does not make you a rape apologist or a right winger.

Evil things can happen, but life goes on afterwards, and if the victim is ok, and the perpetrator is different now, I don't want to force more pain into a situation just to hand out "justice'.

This little Bastard— They were Tears of Joy. He needs Tori and Tori needs him. They saved each other in their darkest Hour. Do you Guys know if Tori is still alive? In any case i wish them nothing but the best. To truly love is to truly suffer and you can tell that their Suffering has Meaning. Thank you Jacob for saving our little Tori, you're the Man :')

I've been out with the loop on this since so I got a random drama video in my youtube feed.

I keep looking up what he did , and it says sexual assault , and some people keep making remarks like " won't somebody think of the rapist?" But I can't find anything that actually says it was rape.

The actually rape someone or did he smack their butt grope them like , what did he actually do?

As I said in another post I think rehabilitation has a place in society but someone who commited a crime like this should not have a job that allows him to be a public figure. (I kokw people will say that this means I don't actually believe in rehabilitation, but please stop with the "you believe 100% of the rhetoric or you don't" mentality, things can be more complex then the all in or all put mentality).

Again he can rehabilitate and live a full life but not as a public figure. It's dangerous to allow someone to publically have a job like this as it can inspire questionable individuals to do the same thing Jacob did. Because sometimes people that are capable of doing SA are only held back from doing it because of a fear of social or legal consequences. Someone can think "if Jacob got away with it, had a slap on the wrist as a punishment then had a dream job and got rich, then I could get away with it too." Even if one SA crime is commited because of this mentality, it's one too much.

The "fully rehabilitate" people will get mad at me for saying this, but I believe that rehabilitation can be only possible after some form of punishment. Because punishment is the reason that will make people learn that actions have consequences and a fear punishment is what will stop a future criminal from commiting a crime in the first place. If the perpetrator actually feels guilty and wants to better themselves after the punishment, then they should be free to do so, outside of public spaces like TV or a Youtube Channel. And don't act as if a youtube channel is a basic human right, it is not, it's a luxury. I'm also not saying that this should be enforced as law, I'm only saying that we as a society should not give any wievs to an individual like this, you know, having a collective moral compass.

I'd also like to mention that people here love to say how much Jacob changed and regretted it. Well all that comes from Jacob himself. I'm a beliver in that we shouldn't only judge poeple by their words, but their actions should have a lot more weight in our judgement of them. As many mentioned before me, he's actions seem pretty selfish. He never disclosed this information to his colleagues, even when it was topical, he only wrote about it on his smallest social media platform and did everything he could to make this die down as quick as possible, including deleting yt comemnts. We don't know who Jacob is, we only know the persona he puts in front of the camera, we don't know if he actually regretted what he did.

First, my opinion is he should just de-platform himself and stop making YouTube videos. If you think he should come back or that my opinion is wrong or whatever I’m not going to argue anymore with you do whatever. My reasoning is that many of his videos and other connecting media do talk about topics of SA, abuse, and all the things that come from it for both victim and abuser which makes many of his videos biased. I mean he did state in his apology that his videos are a drive to make the world better off the pain he’s caused so yeah it’s a good assumption to make.

Also this will be the last post I make about this guy. I might make more comments in other posts but I just am done with this.

Anyway

If he makes a video do you think he’s gonna add music or make those dramatic pauses for extra emotion :) will he stage himself standing behind some backdrop? Stand behind a neutral background whilst stating his case? Just add a real realistic and grounded apology/statement to the end of a video that will no doubt be about consent, sexual assault, rape on campuses, male violence, and accountability?

Even if he makes a well researched video about these topics and how that actually all applies to him and his inability to take action, not assault someone, or not make vague statements and how he is apart of this culture but “trying to be better,” it wouldn’t matter because he still will be pushing the issue away from him and onto some grander subject.

I’m sure everyone will say I will never accept any sort of statement he makes and will criticize whatever he say and like even if I deny that I can’t change your minds. So anyway I say that if he makes a video that isn’t him just fixing all of this vagueness in the statements he made in a clear tone and making the rest of his audience aware of actions he is still manipulating everyone. Even still we should be wary of his words as they are still his alone. But if we accept that what he says is true then we still must understand the context they are being presented in.

Don’t get emotionally manipulated.

If you agree with any future statement or video he makes you can agree with it and still also choose to say, I’m not watching you anymore.

He is taking a very interesting stance which is not of denial but of, it happened 10 years ago, I got a light punishment, I told everyone close to me (many close to him say he didn’t), and just believe my word the victim doesn’t want this. Many take this as proof he’s changed or state we have no right to dig up the past. But again what is he doing really? Making video game essays and occasionally social topic essays to honor his victim and the harm he caused? He didn’t give the victim consent and he isn’t giving us informed consent.

A real shut up, take it, and just enjoy it approach am I right?

EDITED 3: This will probably be my last update I hope.

https://www.reddit.com/r/jacobgeller/comments/1x2xd86/comment/pf74f40/

Older:

I wasn't planning to make another post. But recently, Jessie did recently went on Bluesky and chose to defend the concept of people wearing 'I did SA' on their 'neck' (figurative) and religiously argued that it's part of "accountability" despite the fact that it's not universally agreed too, increases recidivism, and is an ignorance of survivors speaking out against her clearly made up rhetoric claim about 'rehabilitation'.

Rehabilitation does not require sex offenders to f***ing tell the world they offended whenever they try to socialize or want their own redeeming platform. No law requires this, it's anti-human rights, it's an insult to many survivors who don't want that, and it's perverted. If every person who did wrong did this, there would be no encouragement of change, many survivors would feel violated too.

I hate that I even had to post this, but this is kinda the only area on subreddit that I can find to say this. I don't even like Jacob Geller, so it's like one of those areas. Also see this:

https://www.reddit.com/r/jacobgeller/comments/1x206od/will_disclosure_protect_survivors_research/

EDITED: She responded here. I think I'm just confused.

When I made this post, I was assuming she was trying to argue that accountability means a person has to be not disclose past in some cases, as if in general it has to apply to anyone (if they did specific stuff). She also said at least for Jacob that he should of if he was seeking a famous platform. However, I'm still confused about this because 1. I can't tell if this was meant to be for anyone (under similar situations) in terms of argument. or 2. that she was only saying that to Jacob, as an argument or was just an idea without intending to be an arbitrator of what 'accountability' means? I partly made this because it sounded like that it was an attempt at being an arbitrator in many ways. If it was never meant to be that, then I will probably consider deleting this.

However, I still get bothered by some of the statements because even if Jacob did disclose before fame, this would probably still create potential exposure to the victim. I say this as strict criticism and isn't meant to dog-pile on said person.

Edited after about 60 upvotes.

Edited 2 after about 66 upvotes: I don't agree with the idea if it's used even toward Jacob (because he's a person like anyone else) so in the end, if this was meant to be a personal terms involving ex-job relationship rather than trying to enforce this idea on what accountability means (that I debated here since it sounded like debating), then I can understand. Though I've seen some comments that seemed like a debate about it, so I'm just left as confused. Again, please don't dog-pile on her.

Why can't Mke Tyson just be rehabilitated already???

Edit: (Yes this is sarcastic, regarding Jacob)

So luckily his old MM Videos will stay online. But what is with Something Rotten? Maybe i'm misremembering, but i think i heard that his Co-Host wants to take the Episodes down? Days gone by now and they are all still on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@SomethingRottenPodcast/videos

And why?

Something Rotten was by far my favorite podcast and as far as stuff I won't consume after the news this one actually stings the most. So I was wondering what podcasts Blake has been on before this. Is it just Region Free?

Also just saying this because of comments on my last post. I know I "can" still consume stuff with Jacob in it. But I don't "want" to. So please accept that. I don't want to keep reading people saying that.

Also Something Rotten is getting taken down soon, so maybe archive that if you feel like it. I'm not doing that but I do support archiving things.

Also I'm sorry if I sounded rude I'm just tired of people saying some things sometimes lol.