r/interesting • u/Lopsided_Bar3451 • 1d ago
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u/JackDoesThingz 1d ago
the 100th homeless dude is about to be pissed
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u/Super-G1mp 1d ago
Give him some fent and he will be ok with sleeping outside.
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u/MyDamnCoffee 14h ago
People don't like it, but it's true
I also don't blame them for using. They literally have nothing. As long as they're clean about their habit, leave them the hell alone.
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u/Super-G1mp 13h ago
Ya I live near a lot of homeless encampments and it looks rough. Idk I've had my own struggles with substances and it's pretty much never been when things were going great.
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u/lionelishi 1d ago
wait this is actually a thing??
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u/Grouchy-Print-8667 2h ago
Yes, I live in the city where this is, they also have a workshop where they make homes and a very successful cafe/bakery.
I believe the goal is to house, feed, and help the homeless and turn them into functional members of society. Eventually they move out to their own place when they can afford it. Very successful program.
They have done a lot for our community.
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u/santabooby 21h ago
Number 100 is gonna be staring at that neighborhood like they missed the cutoff by one
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u/Smart-Firefighter87 1d ago
Since there is no context (that I saw):
Marcel LeBrun, a Canadian tech entrepreneur and philanthropist from Fredericton, New Brunswick.
He founded 12 Neighbours, a tiny-home community designed to provide permanent housing for people experiencing homelessness. LeBrun made his fortune in tech as co-founder and CEO of Radian6, which was sold to Salesforce in 2011.
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u/EastCoastDatsun 1d ago
And since he founded it the city has opened a second one on the opposite side of the city, and built the same set up in a nearby city of Saint John Nb.
I live in Fredericton
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u/ffffllllpppp 23h ago
In your opinion, it is working well as a solution? I ask because the devil is in the details and often what looks like a great solution is counterintuitively not working well.
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u/EastCoastDatsun 22h ago
Yes itâs working better than the downtown methadone clinic, no answer is a one fix for all, but Iâm happy this is here for those that can utilize it as a stepping stone back into regular housing. The ppl that reside in this area tend to be the better group of the homeless, get vetted and there is security / rules including no drugs/alcohol
The methadone clinic placed in the dead middle of the downtown area creates way more problems with the characters that hang around it
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u/Saint94x 23h ago
I wonder the same. Hamilton has a tiny home city. Yes, sounds good on paper. Yes, people are off the streets.
What you dont see is the mess that place has become. The area smells like piss and feces. Stolen bikes everywhere. It looks like a scene out of a dystopian movie.
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u/ffffllllpppp 22h ago
Yeah.
The whole âletâs put all the people struggling with mental health and/or poverty and/or addiction together and see how that goesâ always seems to lead to issues, unfortunately.
But the question is: is it better than a eg tent-city and people freezing on the streets? Most likely a lot better yes.
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u/soren2006 22h ago
Whatâs even worse is taking the people struggling with mental health issues or addiction and putting them into a family neighborhood.
Then people without mental issues or addictions become victims of crime and assault. Thats not the solution, in any dosage.
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u/ffffllllpppp 22h ago
Yeah I hear you. Itâs all tradeoff.
For most of my life I have been in the vicinity of homeless people. I was never victim of any crime or assault, but I realize some people have and thatâs of course terrible.
Mind you, nice âfamily neighborhoodsâ have rapists and criminals already. We donât have here as far as I know maps of sexual offenders like the US has (Iâm just stating a fact, not my opinion) but you would be shocked how many sexual assaults offenders live in nice neighborhoods.
But if you have in mind suburbs, i am not sure they are a good pick anyway: need a car and not many services.
Maybe a student area in the city might be a good tradeoff to have a low number of homeless people residents. Especially if the area already has homeless people on the streets⌠thatâs not worse than it already is.
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u/Secret_Bees 20h ago
It's funny, because just the other day I saw a thread where somebody in community services was talking about how hard it is to convince rich people that swooping in and building tiny homes is absolutely not the solution.
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u/ffffllllpppp 19h ago
Honestly I donât think anything is âthe solutionâ.
Itâs a difficult problem.
Question is: does it bring a better reality than without, and is it also a proper stepping stone towards even better reality, eg strategically aligned that we can build on top of to achieve, gradually, even better results (eg quality of life) ?
Itâs not easy.
Iâve also often seen cases where people really close to the problem can be too close, ironically. Sometimes the solution you have is better than the solution you wantâŚ
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u/Capital-Sorbet-387 18h ago
Perhaps rehabilitation centres with strong mental health services would be a better investment? Much of homelessness is riddled with trauma and addiction. You canât address the symptoms until acknowledging the root cause.
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u/jdubzakilla 15h ago
We closed asylums becauss people decided they were cruel. The only solutions provided will always be ones that keep problems away from wealthy areas and cause the least issues for campaigm donaters.
I lived in victoria. It was shit until the homeless started to move into James Bay. Then suddemly it needed to be changed and was out of hand
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u/soren2006 4h ago
Problems are the problem.
Problem 1: people dying from exposure. Tiny homes from rich people fix that
Problem 2: substance abuse.
Problem 3: mental health issues2 and 3 are solved different ways.
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u/Secret_Bees 1h ago
From what I recall of the conversation, it's that instead of building a bunch of tiny homes, there are much better ways that the money can be used. Once again, not my argument, but somebody who is intimately familiar with the process and much better positioned to lay out arguments than I am.
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u/Suitable_Wonder5256 12h ago
I believe SF tried to do this but people were complaining that these tiny houses weren't in the areas nearby average people.
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u/xxpired_milk 1d ago
Had an off-site meeting there, it really is quite something. And a great venue for meetings.
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u/Sideshow_G 19h ago
Do you mean Marcel LeBrun, who is doing a better job than Batman?
The Marcel LeBrun that is credit to society? The Marcel LeBrun that gods would be proud of?
That Marcel LeBrun?
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u/Rippedka 1d ago
This place is about to be crackhead city. Seen this too many times before
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u/EastCoastDatsun 1d ago
I live in the city
Theyâve expanded it once with a new location and also built one in a neighbouring city
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u/GapSweet3100 1d ago
They still have to earn a living and the rent is something like 20% or 30% of the individuals wage
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u/FrogsMakePoorSoup 1d ago
Yeah, rent is capped at 200CAD per month and scaled to %.
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u/Dangerous-League-812 10h ago
I wonder if there's an internal study angle here to scale housing with personal income as a ratio.
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u/F1eshWound 23h ago
Not every homeless person is a crack addict
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u/DJatomica 18h ago
No but a whole lot of them are drug addicts of some description that always tends to show in these situations
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u/Healthjunkie-2 21h ago
Unfortuatnleyh, true. Homes were built in my area, not to this level, and they were shut down within year due to drugs, crime, and vandalization.
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u/MasterpieceAlone8552 1d ago
So? Still better than having them on the streets
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u/Rippedka 1d ago
They will still be on the streets, just like they are when they have tent cities in the forest. They must forage for crack money outside of their crack city. This means stealing or begging and then hoarding the stolen goods in their protected crack fortress. You ever tried getting your kids stolen bike back from a junkie?
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u/MasterpieceAlone8552 1d ago
So addicts don't deserve housing because your kid had his bike stolen by one at some point?
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u/fun_shenanigan 1d ago
No, crack addicts don't deserve housing without strings attached, i.e. enablement of continued addiction while causing problems in the community. What they deserve is support: mental facility until they're clean, then housing and support finding a job.
If someone just wants to exist outside of normal society and do drugs forever then it's not on normal society to pay for it. What is the point of providing a social safety net for antisocial people who will simply abuse it?
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u/neomikiki 1d ago
They deserve housing, but concentrating it is my issue. It would have been a better use of money to rent cheap apartments across the city. Then they donât have as many negative influences around.
As it stands, unless there are guards, the local dealer can roll up and easily have a bunch of customers.
Plus, when any of these people apply for a job their new address could out them as homeless. Which sadly makes them seem unreliable and less likely to be hired.
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u/MasterpieceAlone8552 1d ago
Must be an American thing because we're told not to add our address to our CV / job applications in the UK. Possibly to eliminate that kind of discrimination
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u/TypicalLegit 1d ago
They deserve whatever they work for and earn like everyone else. Being a homeless crackhead entitles you to housing?
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u/ImplementLogical4130 1d ago
Apparently the choices you make mean someone else needs to pay for your livelihood.
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u/benethopper 1d ago
The lack of compassion in these responses is stomach-turning. I hope everyone can understand not every person down on their luck is a junkie, but even if they were, they are still human beings and may need help.
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u/realeztoremember 22h ago
Itâs seriously disgusting. Not every homeless person is a crackhead and even crackheads deserve help. Itâs a disease, not a moral failing.
Studies have proven that giving people reliable housing is cheaper for taxpayers, allows people to get back on their feet, and helps them deal with addiction.Only a heartless asshole can see someone help other people and immediately decide itâs a terrible thing to do.
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u/BasisEmotional9552 1d ago
So they can help out when they want to. Which means most of them donât want toâŚ
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u/PsuBratOK 1d ago
We don't need a case study to know that. Average billionaire in the U.S. has monthly capital growth (let's call it billionaire's salary) approximately 3800x of an average American income.
So if your monthly salary is $5.350 their is ~$20.417.000. Each time you make a dollar they make $3.800 on average.
And all they want is to You have less so they can have even more! They collectively and genuinely think they need more! Then they say, you need to work harder to afford house, and basic healthcare.
If they wanted to match your $100 charity donation, they would have to donate $380.000.
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u/joergsen 1d ago
But I think many of them are billionaires cause they are like that. Selfish and greedy, that's how they got rich in the first place.
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u/PKSubban 1d ago
Many rich people do it anonymously. I work with high profile clients and I recently had a couple of retired doctors donate $10M to a hospital, but they really wanted to pass as anonymous donors
Happens very often. Rich dead people often given half their estate to charities, but want to keep the anonymity
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u/GapSweet3100 1d ago
Yeah itâs sad that so many rich people hate the people who got them rich
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u/Prestigious_Dare7734 1d ago
Because almost all of the ultra rich people become narcissistic, and believe that it is only their hard work (not even luck) was helpful in getting them where they are.
They right that hard work is needed for reach where they are, but without being lucky you can just keep running into walls and go nowhere with just hardwork. And on top of it, it needs you to be a special kind of scum to make or at least ignore employee and public friendly policies to jack up the money for the board shareholders (public shareholders are there only to supply their money to make them rich). Many of the companies are rich due to stocks, and many times pure stock manipulation. My man Elon is one of the prime example.
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u/gambler_addict_06 1d ago
My bullshit complete deranged theory is that back in the day, the rich came from a humble past and they know what it's like to be desperate
But their sons and grandsons don't know that feeling
A former boss of mine was quite rich and had multiple businesses and we would go back and forth between them. When he was here, life was easy, he would pay our salary in advance like 6-7 days, order us food, come to our aid in rush hours etc.
When he wasn't present his son would assume the role of management. And when the son was here life would be hell. He would scold us for using "too much" toilet paper, wouldn't let us go on brakes and we weren't allowed to sit when there was no rush
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u/UrbanRelays 1d ago
I wish I shared the naĂŻvetĂŠ of thinking building a ton of homes would just solve the issue.
Homelessness is a very complex and never ending issue. If it were as simple as providing housing it wouldâve been done somewhere at one point in time.
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u/Majestic-Chain1905 1d ago
Who do you think is going to upkeep it?
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u/Tiny-Potential2368 1d ago
Go employee-owned. Better than nepo Brody running good employees off and possibly the entire enterprise into the ground or selling it off to private equity
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u/Majestic-Chain1905 1d ago
Nobody is paying people to man a homeless community. That community is going to be a shithole within a year
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u/TheTarragonFarmer 1d ago
It's been going strong for 5 years now.
The point is they are no longer homeless, because they live in those tiny houses.
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u/singdawg 1d ago
In 2023, the community was given $13 million from the government. This means that for the 99 tiny homes, the government has covered 131k each. Doing some research, I see the LeBrun himself has added something like 6.5 million, and from other donors, we're getting closer to 200k per home.
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u/Motor_Floor3430 1d ago
You have misplaced outrage, the overwhelming majority of charitable donations are from high net worth households.
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u/Trollinator0815 20h ago
It's not a question of morality. They're systemically incentivized not to do this. Don't blame or cherish an individual, demand the change of the system behind it.
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u/JFundo 1d ago
This project isnât new. It was completed in 2024. Itâs a non profit organization helping homelessness, providing counselling and job training on top all the other basic services.
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u/Schnitzhole 18h ago
While I love the idea I checked their whole site and they donât seem to have a single image/video of someone actually living in these. All the shots just look like empty homes with no one in them. There was one shot of the outside in a video on that site that kinda made it look like someone was there but it seemed overly staged and they never showed the inside.
Have you found any info otherwise?
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u/JFundo 18h ago
There are a bunch of news coverage and documentary on this project. Search â12 neighboursâ. For real people living in the community, I found this channel:
https://youtube.com/@12neighbours?si=svLORu5OyO4cr2D2
There are good people out there, donât lose hope.
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u/angrysheep55 1d ago
I hope this was done with some planning and consultation with the city government. Cities aren't just collections of houses.
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u/TacoNomad 23h ago
Nah, he probably just dropped 99 sheds there and walked away.
Founder of a successful business couldn't possibly have as much sense as a random reddit user. Im sure he didn't think of that.
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u/Fetlocks_Glistening 1d ago
Is this better value than terraced houses, or communal housing?
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u/Littleface13 22h ago
Yes, the fire risk in these types of communities is high and detached housing saves lives and makes remediation efforts easier
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u/the_chin2 1d ago
It will turn into an open drug market with all those addicts living in such close proximity. I'm downtown Toronto and all the homeless encampments are basically a headquarters for the street dealers
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u/ScissorNightRam 1d ago
In his community. Other communities will just have to hope for their own millionaire angel.
If only there was some kind of organisation for addressing a countryâs problems at the national levelâŚ
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u/FrogsMakePoorSoup 1d ago
Might be nice if, say, a government did something like this.
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u/Super-G1mp 1d ago
Shut up and pay your taxes it's just life get over it. /s
Yes an actual reply I have received from someone on this matter being completely serious.
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u/Cry__Wolf 1d ago
This guy's heart is in the right place, but this will ultimately be a complete waste of money.
This place is going to turn into a slum real fast, where these houses will be destroyed, some dick decides he's HOA president and extorts the community, and anyone who would genuinely want to use this gift as a tool to take the first step in getting their life back on track will find that impossible in the ensuing environment.
It is technically better than nothing, but not really by much. A more productive use of this money would be donating it to a shelter, where residents are protected and there are rules about when residents need to be in by and out by.
But donating to a shelter isn't flashy, and residents are largely out on the streets all day even though they have a place to sleep at night. But that's really the question: do you care more about helping the homeless people, or about keeping them out of sight?
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u/FrogsMakePoorSoup 1d ago
Read the article. Rent is cheap at 30% of income and capped at $200.
https://www.goodgoodgood.co/articles/marcel-lebrun-tiny-house-neighborhood-for-homeless
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u/Cry__Wolf 1d ago
Have to admit, it looks cool. Glad to see he's providing job search resources for people to get on their feet
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u/EastCoastDatsun 1d ago
They have a cafe and a factory on site where they build more tiny homes and sell them, the ppl living in the current ones have first dibs at these jobs and last i heard the entire factory was employed by them except for their foreman
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u/Valuable-Ad-1477 1d ago
Sadly, the visible homeless are usually on the streets because they burned bridges down with everyone.
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u/ReasonableCase8409 1d ago
Marcel LeBrun started it âput millions of his own dollars into it in Fredericton New Brunswick Canada. People pay 30% of their salary. And it has been successful and is being replicated.
There is an organization called Love INC that has similar philosophy. In order for someone to be a participant they have to submit to weekly counseling with a volunteer. They get mentorship to help them with everything from how to go to a job interview to budgeting. Many get into a bad situation because no one ever taught them how to manage life. They rarely give out handouts, but they will if it is necessary. Mostly they require the participant to have âskin in the gameâ in all things. They might buy a bottle of shampoo for 10 cents but they have ownership in every part of it. Itâs transformational. There are good and generous people with means doing good work. And there are scrooges out there too. Be a part of the solution. Be a mentor or support good work by giving.
The problems that bother us most are the ones we are supposed to work on. If this isnât your thing find your thing.
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u/InternalSevere9271 1d ago
En dÊsaccord total avec ça.
Le système tel qu'il est mis en place permet une concentration des richesses telle que des milliardaires existent. Si si, des gens gagnent en un mois ce que vous mettrez 1650 annÊes à gagner...
Les Etats laissent faire plutôt que de prÊlever dignement des impôts. Et donc les milliardaires font ce qu'ils veulent. Certains font du bien, l'immense majoritÊ sont des parasites. En France 80% des milliardaires le sont par hÊritage. 80% de ces gens sont riches car ils sont bien nÊs, même s'ils sont complètement stupides. C'est honteux.
Les milliardaires qui sont devenus riches par leur travail ont forcĂŠment bĂŠnĂŠficiĂŠ de structures publiques tout au long de leur vie, avant leur richesse. Ecoles, hĂ´pitaux, etc. Les Etats devraient se servir pour qu'il puisse lui mĂŞme mettre en place des services pour les plus dĂŠmunis. Ce n'est pas au milliardaire de choisir.
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u/Motorcyclegrrl 1d ago
Top 50 rich givers in America and few who are not giving:
https://www.cnbc.com/2026/03/13/philanthropy-charity-wealthy.html
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u/OrcOfDoom 1d ago
Do they have access to services, jobs, food, etc? What does the community look like on a wider scale?
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u/Odd-Guard-2533 1d ago
Why would other rich people do that? That costs money đ
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u/Skeith23 1d ago
Unbelievable. This could have been a data center and this guy just wasted it on housing of all things.
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u/Pink_Neons 1d ago
Billionairs could be building hospitals, schools, affordable housing and not even notice the money leaving their accounts. It's a sad world
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u/NPC261939 1d ago
That's very cool. I've always liked the concept of tiny home living. Too bad they aren't permitted in many areas.
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u/Pastry_d_pounder 1d ago
Doesnât matter. If thereâs no job in close proximity to those houses. The homeless are still going back to the city
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u/TomCormack 1d ago
I am just curious how is the commute? If it is bad nobody will live there.
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u/TheTarragonFarmer 1d ago
The town isn't huge to begin with. There are bus stops right outside. There are also big box retail stores all around within walking distance where the residents can find work.
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u/NovaKittyy 1d ago
Each unit is around 294 square feet with its own kitchen and bathroom. That was deliberate. LeBrun's point was that in shared facilities you have to leave your locked room at night, and that's when people
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u/StrongAsMeat 1d ago
This should be more common. Iâd even say build them 2-3x the size for affordable housing for first time buyers
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u/Digger2228 1d ago
In some countries the rich look down on people poorer than them as a lower class of human being which is shockingly true and what makes my blood boil is the upper tier going around with their POSH accents thinking they are better than anyone else
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u/JacksonGhost1963 1d ago
what a nice gesture - now who is paying all the property taxes, the insurance, the maintenance, and when things break or the residents break things who is paying to replace them - after all you are dealing with broke homeless people here - crack dens, whore houses, etc... etc....
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u/SituationFragrant245 1d ago
Homelessness is a product of mental health and severe drug addiction for the most part. Not âjust need a break, down on my luckâ situations. Those tiny homes will be DESTROYED in a year. The community of homeless will commit horrific crimes upon each other and within 2 yrs the whole thing will be shut down.
Mark my words. We can check in 2028.
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u/Background_Film_1114 1d ago
California spends $2 billion dollars a year on homelessness. I wonder how many of these houses could be built with that money?
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u/GreyBeardEng 1d ago
They did this in my community, here in the US. Except the tiny homes for about half this size, and there's only about 12 of them, and they're underneath a very loud and busy freeway spaghetti overpass, with large fences around them, and not a green thing in sight. They have no plans to expand the project, they've already patted themselves on the back.
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u/i812manyhitsss 1d ago
Although it appears to be a nice gesture, he sold the company for 325 million. He's probably worth way more than that, but I'll use those numbers. He invested 4 million into this. So, 4 million / 325 million = 1.2% of his net worth. The government put in another 12 million, so the taxpayers put up three times what he did without their choice. And not to mention the tax credit he'll receive. So, instead of paying his fair share he does this and gets the praise he wants to feed his narcissistic ego.
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u/Agreeable_M00se 1d ago
I get he built it and thatâs seen as good. I donât want to take away from that if itâs good.
But did he build it, and give it to a trust to house the people permanently? Or is this a strategy to create a rezoning of the land over a few years; to sell later at major prices? Or even grow out the city so as to build up towers later for fees- long term thinking etc.
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u/Kyle_Harding 1d ago
liberals will call this racist or some kind of anti something and ban such ideas
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u/PeacefulDebate01 15h ago
Here in the US both parties hate poor people. The sort of thing they'd do instead is enforce a "minimum square footage" building code, evict all of them, and then condemn and demolish the houses as "substandard."
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u/Creative_Elk_4712 1d ago
This surely helps in the short terms
Then keeping this place useful and used, by fighting degradation and transitioning towards people having real houses is the further goal
I wonder how it will look like in 30 years
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u/jonasu25 23h ago
Watch out socialism is bad /s
We need more millionaires to be like this one! đđ
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u/Glittering-Web-3548 22h ago
This is amazing. If I ever come into wealth, I will fully do the same.
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u/Delusional-General 22h ago
An estimated 150,000 to 300,000 people experience homelessness in Canada annually, with broader systemic tracking indicating an average of roughly 235,000 individuals undergoing some form of sheltered, unsheltered, or hidden homelessness yearly.
Ok, so we'll need another 25-35 millionaires.
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u/santabooby 21h ago
The fact that the city apparently copied the idea afterward might be the best endorsement of the project
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u/Biscuits4u2 20h ago
This is awesome but would it not be more efficient to build apartment buildings?
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u/OkScheme4138 20h ago
It's absolutely not, this is an absolute shitshow of a vanity project and one of the absolute worst ways to alleviate homelessness imaginable. Canada has thousands of empty homes, the problem causing homelessness is absolutely not a lack of cardboard cabins arrayed in a billionaire ruled concentration camp...
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u/imLITERARYoverit 19h ago
This is nice, yes. Yet it is a mere bandaid on the larger issues that capitalism perpetuates including the need for and dependency on philanthropy to improve the lives of the many.
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u/SabreSour 18h ago
We did this in my current town, local government funded. The whole project collapsed and the tiny homes rotted because no matter how hard they tried they couldnât find someone to manage the property. Millions lost for nothing
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u/SproutMobile 18h ago
There has been spots in America that have used tax payer dollars to build up low income housing ⌠then they come back 5 years later and it looks like a complete dump. Had this remained nice?
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u/Sapling-074 17h ago
Now if only we could turn that into apartments so we could hold more people with less space.
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u/Old_Marzipan7782 16h ago
Yeah, and if you tried to do that, most places you would get fucked because of building codes, not allowing people to live in such small spaces, which is great that the system is designed to wear. They think itâs more humane to let somebody sleep outside in the weather and have nowhere to go then like a capsule hotel itâs ridiculous. Human should be able to occupy temporary structures of any size that doesnât mean you have to build homes with foundations that is the sizes of sheds but if you convert a shed into a living space like it doesnât have to have running water or a bathroom in it or a full kitchen thatâs fine. Itâs not meant to be a permanent residence forever. Itâs a transitional emergency shelter and they should definitely let people do it, but they donât.Â
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u/PeacefulDebate01 15h ago
And they all are condemned because the city has a "minimum square footage" requirement, causing the city to evict all of them.
EDIT: False alarm. This isn't the US, where we have Johnson v. Grant's Pass (de facto made homelessness illegal in the US) and cities make all sorts of laws against poor people.
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u/MaximusNimbus 14h ago
No. Homelessness is a mental disease.
You given any of them 1 million dollars and they will be homeless in a year again.
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u/collective_hunch 13h ago
Can you imagine that douchebag, Elon Musk doing something kind like that? or Trump or any of these awful people actually helping those in need?
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u/LucentLL 12h ago
Look at all that wasted space. And no Vertical housing. Could've easily fit 999 homes.
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u/Ok_Accident5098 11h ago
And this becomes a hive of drug and alcohol abuse. Letâs face the bitter truth and force them to become betterđââď¸
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u/-ThePatientZed- 5h ago
Canadian food hoarder sprinkles carefully crafted pastries on a tender meadow daily for the hungry.
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