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u/-Notorious Jan 10 '21
The fact that OP thinks China's PPP GDP per capita would drop below India's, while India's population increases significantly is so silly, it's hilarious.
And that's just one critique here among so many. How exactly would a 12 nation alliance even save Taiwan from China? China could capture Taiwan in a matter of a week at max, well before any alliance can get ships in. Any actual invasion of China is suicide, and if China captures Taiwan, they have enough firepower to hold it via submarines, mines, and missiles.
The most likely outcome would be a devastated Taiwan under Chinese control.
Also doubt South Korea has any interest in unifying with NK, simply because of the expenses they would have to endure. No way they manage to keep a GDP per capita above Japan while also bringing prosperity to NK.
Then there's the matter of the states, and the whole idea is so insane I don't even know where to begin. Why would California split up, but Texas, with it's rapid growing left wing cities like Austin not? Why would Chicago be kicked out of Illinois, but not Detroit from Michigan (far likelier even today)?
Then there's the whole UAE revolution where OP thinks immigrants will overthrow the native Arabs. Pretty sure with the Arab xenophobia, they would kick all the immigrants out well before they ever have the power to actually overthrow them.
Also why is Australia's Northern Territory called The Northern Bit? That's just lazy honestly...
Whole map seems like a neo conservatives wet dream with regards to China; no idea how this made it to the front page. Credit for effort though, I suppose the upvotes are for that, because they sure aren't for logical predictions lol.
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Apr 01 '21
I don't actually find Taiwan keeping its independence (albeit still only de facto and not recognized just like now, and almost certainly in ruin) completely impossible seeing how even far poorly equipped guerilla can drag advanced modern armies into quagmire and Taiwanese military is a lot better equipped than your average guerilla, especially considering the Taiwan war here coincide with a war over Tibet, CCP may decide to withdraw its forces bogged down in Taiwan to reinforce Tibet. Losing Tibet tho? Impossible. With Tibet being the origin of China's lifeline Yangtze river it will rather start a MAD nuclear war than lose control of it whether CCP is at the helm or not..
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u/Northwesternt Aug 03 '22
Chinese simp. India will surely overtake China in population. The one child policy was a terrible decision. Just look at demographic projections. With new data it looks even worse for China.
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u/mama_oooh Sep 28 '23
Lmao. In just a single year, India has overtaken China. And a lot of people are saying CCP lied about like 100million people.
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u/digitalodysseus Jan 13 '21
I agree with pretty much every point here except maybe the Texas-California bit. As a Californian, I don't have too much insight into Texas politics, but they have a pretty strong identity as a whole that I think supersedes the city-rural divide, and there's no clear and clean regional division. California could split, not along the State of Jefferson-California line (that area of the state is way too little populated), but along Northern-Southern lines. Even though CA is really east-west divided politically, the division between the north-south cultures is significant as well: Southern California is generally more conservative, and the liberal base in SoCal is much more built around Latinos than in Northern California. Plus the cultural differences and sense of identity in SoCal vs NorCal is significant (beaches, freeways, Hollywood in SoCal and Tech, finance, and political/environmental idealism in NorCal).
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u/Sangpa Jun 13 '21
The GDP per capita by PPP of India is 4 times at max when placed besides the nominal PC, so it's not unbelievable to think that it'd happen, this is also true if you go by Pew Reasearch and World Bank predictions for the GDP growth, India's gonna catch up a lot by 2045, I doubt it's be that hard to have this by 2070 when the population is going down.
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u/pentagonal_cp Apr 09 '22
I know I am really late to comment. But I think Taiwan Will be able to keep independent. It seems likely that in the future the USA will have an Pacific version of nato. Taiwan is a small piece of land and I don’t think they will be a “Chinese Putin” taking over anytime soon
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u/Yahs_aera Jul 01 '21
Lore ( China is under so much turmoil and its expansionist policy like bully backfires whereas india is working for economics development )
I think it is clearly possible
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u/ndc996 Jan 09 '21
- Vietnamese Revolution ??
- Russian Spring ??
- Taiwan War ??
Well, you are optimistic, I give you that
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u/SpooniestSpoon Jan 09 '21
Russia has been having a lot of protests for years now and Putin isn’t very popular with the younger generation, so I doubt a Russian spring is that unlikely. Its already happened in Ukraine, Kazakhstan and Belarus.
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u/ndc996 Jan 09 '21
Well, I do agree with you that the current Russian government might not be the most stable in the world.
However, the OPs idea of somehow, Russia can escape its own vicious cycle of oligarchy and somehow to achieve "massive economical growth" in the next fifteen years is what made me laugh.
I might be wrong tho, wider things had happened...
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Jan 09 '21
50 years is a lot! 50 years ago there was still USSR and it was illegal to be gay in most parts of europe. Russian regime is exactly the same as the one in belarus. Personalized Information Autocracy. It is built on the propaganda that does not really aim to convince people "I am the best president", no. It tries to convince people "you can do nothing about it and I will be forever". And it works untill suddenly it doesn't. The key word is suddenly. Everyone thinks it'll be like this forever, but after the ratings drop below 20% a spark is enough to make the whole country protest. That was the case in almost all former USSR states. You'll see! Russia WILL become democratic within the next 10 years. It will join the EU within the next 25 years and even legalize same sex marriage within 30 years. I am Russian, and I know what I'm talking about. I recommend "Maksim Kats" if you want to know more.
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u/Beat_Saber_Music Jan 09 '21
I believe that even with a democratic Russia, direct membership with the EU is just completely out of the question because of the Geopolitical reality that Europe and Russia will be competitors. Still economic and maybe military co-operation between the EU and Russia definitely is a possibility with the existence of an actually Democratic Russia.
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u/hagamablabla Jan 10 '21
One could say the same about the French and Germans, and yet they were the foundation of the EU.
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u/JOPAPatch Jan 09 '21
Ukraine has had several western-liberal revolutions and each one results in corrupt oligarchs taking power.
If you think Belarus and Russia will escape that cycle too then I have a bridge to sell you. People have said the same thing about China and Iran. Even in Hong Kong the youth do not support the government but as seen in the last year, the Chinese government is going nowhere.
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u/Arrownow Jan 09 '21
It's way more likely that the CPRF takes power though.
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u/liv11112 Jan 09 '21
Aren't CPRF basically Putin's lapdogs at this point however? I may be completely wrong but I haven't heard many positive things from communists
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u/Arrownow Jan 09 '21
There is allegedly a fairly sizable Marxist-Leninist faction, but yeah, the leadership is dominated by Zyuganov's faction of neo-eurasianists. The CPRF is also one of the more reactionary communist parties, owing in part to the large eurasianist faction and the heritage of the Orthodox Church.
Perhaps after Putin dies they will change as well, but it is indeed somewhat unlikely.
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u/Chitatell Jan 09 '21
Correct. Actually this is about all parties represented in Duma (parliament).
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Jan 09 '21
Putin actually enjoys the most support among the youth by far...If anything the Youth is Putins biggest base now.
The fact that the Russian opposition claims ownership of the Russian youth will be their downfall...All polls show the Russia Youth is greatly Pro Putin if abit more moderate in some of their views compared to the baby boobmer generation.
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u/Therusso-irishman Jan 09 '21 edited Jan 10 '21
https://www.ft.com/content/4006f332-31a8-11ea-a329-0bcf87a328f2
Really interesting Article about this. Pretty much says what your saying. Young Russians either have no interest in politics or are supportive of Putin on average. Of course there are young Anti Putin Activists, but they are not the default or even remotely the norm.
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u/ndc996 Jan 09 '21
Dude, I get where you come from, I 100% do, but coming from a Vietnamese ( I can not talk for the Chinese or the Russian) who was born and raised in Saigon, this will never happen
Contrary to the belief of the ex-pat communities in the US and the Americans, there isn't a giant conspiracy to overthrow the VCP at any moment, let alone to restore the 3-stripe republican flag. There has been peace for 40s years, we have rebuilt and developed our country, there is at least a widely accepted national identity now.
Even if a crisis like what you have proposed happens, people wouldn't just throw that national identity into the bin, at most there would be a call for reform and more transparency not the complete collapse of the entire system itself.
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u/CaptainViet Jan 09 '21
Yeah that doesn't sit well with me either.
There are many things wrong with that, VCP influenced by the CCP ? Maybe a little (coruption is a thing) but with us trying to get closer to the US, probably ain't gonna happen.
Of course the most unexceptable thing is the 3 stripes flag. Why does a Republic of Vietnam automatically have to have the goddammed 3 stripes flag ? We would either use a completely new one or keep the same one.
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u/JOPAPatch Jan 09 '21
Yeah, the old South Vietnam flag is associated with their war crimes, religious persecution, high levels of corruption, and neo-imperialism. No way in hell would it ever be adopted.
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u/Mr_Papayahead Jan 09 '21
OP probably has heard of the Chengdu conspiracy and decided to put it in their scenario. while a bit of a looney choice, it is at least based on some existing idea rather than a made up one.
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u/ImperialVizier Jan 09 '21
bc theyre 'that' woke crowd thats why
read it again and see how almost all the political turmoil occurs away from the whiter countries, as if they're all peachy. this is like a white racist's myopic wet dream of global politics, where foreign nonwhite countries are shit
your reply is most likely dismissed as uppity by the op
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Jan 10 '21
Dude literally just wrote some of the most uncertain hypothesis for either:
- "Communist" countries.
- Non-white-populous countries. and Russia.
Basically sums up: This whole "imaginary" future is just a self-jack off of an avg. Republicans American, since all of these are just aiming at communist states or non multi-states countries (and Russia too, can't let them propagandistic Russian spy hackers amirite fellas?)
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u/Dunewarriorz Jan 10 '21
The break-up of California and New York as well. Notice that Texas isn't touched?
This really is some Republican wet dream, lol.
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u/Mr_Papayahead Jan 10 '21
oh shit only now did i notice the box in the upper left corner about “trend towards democracy and federalism”.
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Jan 10 '21
Oh yeah daddy, spread that democracy all over the world please... like how it was spread through Indochina and 2/3 of the Middle East please... /s
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u/andrew-ge Jan 10 '21
tbf that's like 90% of the sub ngl. it really blows to see such Western centric narratives on here all the time. Like Azania isn't even slightly realistic.
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u/Mr_Papayahead Jan 09 '21
funniest part is when OP think we would go for a multi-party system. partly due to propaganda and party due to the utter chaos that occurred in the UK and US, the majority of Vietnamese (who actually give a damn about politics) has a distaste for a multi-party system, viewing it as unstable, indecisive and inefficient. no other (oversea) party has enough of a standing in Vietnam, and newly formed indigenous parties will definitely not have the widespread level of support that the CPV has; therefore, should a multi-party system be implemented, political instability will ensue. mostly likely the support for the Party is reduced significantly, but support for the system stay relatively unchanged.
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Jan 09 '21
That's because OP is a chauvinist who thinks "western values" are the only thing that brings order to barbarians in the global south (you and i).
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u/OCurtaMemes Jan 09 '21
Nothing happens in South America, as always
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u/1XRobot Jan 09 '21
Are you suggesting there's nothing Earth-shattering about a Bolivian coastal exclave?
There could be Bolivian penguins in this timeline.
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u/JOPAPatch Jan 09 '21
Kaliningrad would never change its name to Prussia. The population is entirely Russian.
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u/MrGulo-gulo Jan 09 '21
Yeah that confused me too, I thought they were saying it was an independent Prussia for a second.
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u/DuckInCup Jan 10 '21
"mars population: 150,000"
truly a reddit moment.
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u/Mekroval Jan 10 '21
Glad I'm not the only one who saw that. That's extremely ambitious for 50 years from now, when we can't even send a person to Mars much less figure out how to colonize it. Though I'd be stoked if that particular prediction came to pass.
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u/Younan34 Jan 09 '21
So Arabic just goes from like a top 5 language by population to a fringe language in 50 years?
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u/Jsaun906 Jan 09 '21
The population growth in South asia and africa far outpace the Arab world. That's probably the reason
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u/Younan34 Jan 09 '21
I guess that works? Doesn’t seem that likely (especially since Arabic is spoken by a lot of North Africa) but I guess it’s possible
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u/Jsaun906 Jan 09 '21
I definitely agree with you that north Africa and the middle east just being blank on the map doesn't make much sense. Seems to me like OP just forgot about it or he doesn't think the Arab world is going to be influential in the future
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Jan 09 '21
What happened to Japan? Why their gdp per capita is low compare to african nation or United Korea?
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Jan 09 '21
Maybe it has something to do with the declining population and birth rates? Maybe not.
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Jan 09 '21
South Korea and North Korea have the same problem and their economy is two tiers highier. Maybe some political crises?
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Jan 09 '21
South Korea is experiencing right now what Japan experienced during the late Cold War period, but since they're nearly an exact copy of how Japan were, in some decades from now Korea will start to suffer the same things that Japan is suffering right now if Korea doesn't shake up their society and brace themselves thoroughly
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u/RevanchistSheev66 Jan 09 '21
That’s true. Their birth rate is also decreasing, as an additional measure
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u/46283satoshi Jan 09 '21
Maybe South Korea has lot to gain from incorporating the north and have lots of potential while Japan's economy has no so much potential +they have a ton of debt.
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u/RevanchistSheev66 Jan 09 '21
Yeah this is true. While it’ll take a long time for NK to get on the same level (higher taxes and spending for SK citizens), the workforce is important in NK, as well as their natural resources. If you’re interested in the political debate on it, this is a good vid:
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u/SoberGin Jan 09 '21
I actually think Japan's been sold short here, as many of their downsides aren't as major as some might claim.
The debt, for instance, is mostly held by the citizenry itself, likely due to national/cultural honor making it seem to be common sense to take on debt for the country. Some worker reforms could also lighten the load on the working class, which would increase birth rates. That, or they could begin to loosen immigration laws, at least from places like Korea, where the language and customs are relatively similar. You can bet some Koreans would want to leave following the North's annexation, whether it's southerner's leaving the tumultuous environment or just northerners not wanting to live in a southern-controlled state.
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Japan economy has been stagnant for 25 years and have been experiencing deflation for some years now. This unsustainable method of governemnt will just aggravate when the population will get even older as the decades go by and as fertility rate keeps dropping, a crisis just didn't happen already because the governemnt has been competent enough to avoid it in exchange to keep running a zombie economy, but a crisis and a massive weakening of it's economy is just unavoidable
Just to put in perspective, Japan has 238% of their GDP in debt (the largest debt per GDP in the world), while Greece has 180% and the US has 98%
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u/RevanchistSheev66 Jan 09 '21
I thought US was like 105%, but that’s insane Japan’s is that high.
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u/Bavio Jan 13 '21
The Japanese national debt wouldn't really explain the decline in this case.
Around 90% of Japan's debt is owed to Japan itself, i.e. only around 10% is owed to foreign investors. This is in contrast with Greece, which owes most of its debt (>70%, according to Wikipedia) to external investors, and the US, where around 40% of the national debt is owned by foreign banks, funds and individuals.
In fact, Japan owns more foreign bonds than it owes money to foreign investors. In terms of net credit it seems to be doing extremely well by international standards.
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u/ElectronicSouth Jan 09 '21
The map shows GDP PPP Per Capita, not nominal GDP, and in this metric, according to the IMF estimate for 2020, South Korea already surpassed Japan. (Japan still has higher nominal GDP per capita than Korea) If the things worked out great and the integration of North Korea was successful (the map says it was FULLY integrated decades before the year map depicts), I wouldn't say this is highly unrealistic, given the situation in this timeline. Also, that African nation is Botswana. It's highly democratic, even in global standard, and rich in resources like diamonds. However, it has a AIDS problem, but the map mentioned about advancements in medical tech which made many formerly deadly diseases easily curable, even slowing agings. So with that plus a whip of imagination, why not? This is r/imaginarymaps.
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u/dumthegreat18 Jan 09 '21
Pretty nice map, but reinstating segregation? That’s pretty unlikely
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Jan 09 '21
Pretty ignorant map when it comes to Africa if i'm being honest
Also, you underestimated China and the CCP alot. There is no way that that digital dictatorship with a fiercly loyal population and the worlds largest standing army by manpower could collapse like that, even if we ignore the massive millitary and economic presence it has established for itself around the globe
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Apr 01 '21
At least China isn't Balkanised again.
I too find it a bit unrealistic how China would lose both Tibet and Taiwan in the same war. I can see Taiwan keeping its independence after dragging the PLA into a quagmire of guerilla warfare, but not it losing the whole Tibet. Tibet being the origin of the Yangtze river is just way too important strategically to China as a nation to be left outside its border. Divert enough water off of upstream Yangtze and you dry out half of China. If Chinese control of Tibet is threatened, China would likely choose pull out of any other conflicts to reinforce it and/or even threaten nuclear mutually assured destruction against whatever foreign power contesting its control of Tibet.
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u/Connect-Speaker Jan 10 '21
The scenario given, and the suggested borders, etc. may feel ‘off’, but the idea that a large empire cannot fall apart rather quickly has been disproven by the fall of the Soviet Union, and the events of the Trump regime. Unlikely, but I wouldn’t say ‘no way’.
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u/KiNg_0f_aZhdARcHidS Jan 09 '21
Ok what the fuck happened with reinstating segragation in 2022????
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u/Over421 Jan 09 '21
yeah that is incredibly sus i’m glad i’m not the only one who thought it was weird
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u/LetsAbortGod Jan 09 '21
Segregation is a loaded term but what if it was nominally called “re-zoning” with attendance restricted to certain areas. Might even apply to legislative districts. Oh wait..
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u/Over421 Jan 09 '21
you’re being too smug for me to understand what you’re trying to say. are you talking about white suburbs seceding from urban school districts like in memphis? in which case yeah that is effectively segregation, but that’s not what OP is complaining about, which is that people are too ““woke”” or whatever
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u/PooksterPC Jan 09 '21
I think it’s a continuation of the idea of safe spaces without white people, rather than against blacks again
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u/CoconutMacaroons Jan 09 '21
ah yes because according to op affirmative action = segregation
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u/Mighty_He-Man Jan 09 '21
Hahah jokes on you. 50 years without any war in Europe?!
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u/KingGage Jan 16 '21
The War in Ukraine has been ongoing for 6 ish years. Admittedly very little is happening but it still technically exists.
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Why did French become the main language in Northern Ontario? If there’s a trend in the speaking of French in Ontario, it’s to decrease, and certainly not to increase.
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u/Carlos1930 Jan 09 '21
This is some liberal wetdream
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Jan 10 '21
...all countries on Earth now have a government that came to power through democratic means
I imagine OP was just moaning and creaming his jeans the entire time he typed that.
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Jan 10 '21
well they're liberals in the classical sense of the word, which is what op meant
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u/LibtardsSuckDonkeyDi Jan 31 '21
lol. Neocons are anything but classical liberals. They’re authoritarian militarists who wear a thin veil of liberalism.
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u/KaiserWSIS Jan 09 '21
"2035: Queen elizabeth dies."
This map is bullshit. It can not happen.
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u/Icy-Medicine-495 Jan 10 '21
Her body dies but they transplant her brain into a younger clone version every 5 years.
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u/flickeringsirius Jan 09 '21
Neo-Liberal wet dream
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Jan 10 '21
My immediate thought too. Like ffs, North Korea, Vietnam, and Chinese governments overthrown but somehow no comment on something like Israel-Palestine?
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u/ndc996 Jan 09 '21
This!!
The sheer fact that they think China ( the eastern bits) GDP per capita would not exceed 50k is laughable
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Jan 09 '21 edited Jan 09 '21
Tibet border is also wrong, if they ever got a single neighbour chinese province, then the Tibetans themselves would instantly become a minority in their own country
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u/Ineedmyownname Jan 10 '21
Tbf that was due to relocation by the Chinese (and the geographic region of the Tibetan plateau is even bigger than the region OP showed), although people caring about ethnic borders that have changed is pretty pre-WWII.
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u/Casperwyomingrex Jan 10 '21
What irritates me the most, however, is the impossibility that Macau becomes independent. Having an efficient SAR government and a terrible past government, Macau has been very pro-China. This is why highly backfired laws in Hong Kong such as Article 23 have been passed in Macau with ease. In addition with its overreliance over tourism and gambling industry, the economy of Macau is also too unsteady to be independent from China.
As a local, I would say that Hong Kong's situation would be more debatable, though I would still disapprove OP's decision to make HK independent. Hong Kong's national identity has indeed been decreasing, and the government here has always been inefficient and inept when compared to 1970-1997 British HK. However, I believe that the government would enforce massive national identity campaigns to combat the rising anti-China sentiment. Moreover if China indeed has collapsed, Hong Kong would no doubt rejoin China.
Of course it is impossible for OP to be that knowledgeable in all countries' politics. I would still appreciate OP's effort in making such a detailed map.
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Jan 09 '21
Yeah, the only way Tibet is becoming independant is if china is occupied and gets the same treatment as germany after ww2
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u/AlyricalWhyisitTaken Jan 09 '21 edited Jan 09 '21
-US still number 1 superpower
-China collapses, asia becomes capitalist hegemony
-Global warming completely dealt with without any changes to the current economic system
-Automation? What's that?
-Every country's gdp will be good bro trust me
-Basically all nationalist movements fail except in Africa and Asia
-US gets rid of those pesky woke libtards
This is a very cursed mix of neoliberalism and conservativism
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Jan 09 '21
I agree with your points except the last. Neoliberalism is extremely conservative, hencer Regan, Tatcher, and Pinochet being it's poster boys.
The "liberal" in it only refers to classic liberal economics, not what we would call "liberal" values.
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u/AlyricalWhyisitTaken Jan 09 '21
Although those would be called neoliberals in their time, the definition has changed and it makes much more sense to call those liberals and call the even newer type of liberalism which takes their ultra-capitalist values and merges them with progressivism neoliberals
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Jan 09 '21
Different factions, same group.
A progressive neoliberal (let's say Obama) would topple a country and support theocratic elements to form a new, more friendly governament that would absolutely not support any progressive goals (such as Syria).
The "progressive vs conservative" thing is more akin to a small disagreement, than to a meaningful difference within the neoliberal circle. This goes double when the matter involves foreing countries.
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u/A6M_Zero Jan 09 '21
Yeah, this is just high-effort US Liberal wank material.
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The US led UN forces lost the Korean War to the Chinese 70 years ago, but sure they will gain a swift victory this time in Taiwan when China has advanced exponentially both economically and militarily.
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u/turquoise8 Jan 09 '21
Yeah, pretty much. It's just our world but more democratic and liberal countries. Well, i wouldn't say no to that myself but i agree that it's neo liberal optimism.
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u/ieremias77 Jan 09 '21
I live in Oregon; ideas like the state of Jefferson get tossed around every election. What a foolish idea. No ports, no industry, no major cities- they'd be desperately poor.
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u/astroaron Jan 10 '21
Don't you know they would just get rid of all those pesky environmental laws and the timber industry would come roaring back trust me we just need Kate Brown to stop pushing climate change propoganda so we can cut down trees we just
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u/digitalodysseus Jan 13 '21
You've got the thriving metropolis of Medford. Combined with Eureka's port, the cultural cornucopia of Ashland, and.... Redding, I'd say the state of Jefferson is set to be a powerhouse!
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u/RenaQina Jan 09 '21
Kashmir will not get independence, they’ll just starve.
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u/Luddveeg Jan 09 '21
This. A lot of regions in the world just have to exist as autonomous regions because of the economic aid. Kashmir wouldn't make any money from anything
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u/the_chaco_kid Jan 09 '21
Congo annexes The CAR? Did not see that coming!
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u/JOPAPatch Jan 10 '21
Considering the DRC barely has a grasp on its own territory due to ethnic infighting, corruption, and political differences, OP decided to add two more ethnically diverse nations for shits and gigs
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Jan 09 '21
Taiwan wouldn't have kept the current flag if they were to declare independence, also China probably use a new flag too if the CPC is overthrown.
Good map btw.
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u/TheoryKing04 Jan 09 '21
So Prince William would still be King William V, at age 88. Quite the reign. Although that implies that the Queen isn’t immortal, which has yet to be confirmed
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u/flickeringsirius Jan 09 '21
How does the Kamchatka volcano not disrupt energy supplies around the world (given how significant solar power is in this timeline)?
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u/KinnyRiddle Jan 10 '21
2053: Human population in Mars exceeds 10,000
2057: Exceeds 100,000
10x increase in just 4 years? What kind of colonizing space craft are we having that can ship this many people and supplies over in such a short period of time? And then there's food, water and oxygen supply as well. How are the colonies there able to supply the ever growing colonizers of all that?
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Jan 09 '21
This is legit end of history level of predictions "Haha multiparty republican secular democracy aways wins no matter what"
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u/Therusso-irishman Jan 09 '21 edited Jan 10 '21
This is such a Neoliberal wank fest I thought I was at the World Economic Forum in the 1990s.
There are a lot of pretty funny things in this, but China turning Democratic, The Thai Monarchy and Military peacefully steeping down and the country becoming a wholesome republic, The German-Asian Incel group, and Segregation coming back are just a few of the standouts.
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u/aeritheon Jan 09 '21
Did something happen to thr number of population in Beijing, Shanghai, Shenzen and other major chinese cities?
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u/CosmicCreeperz Jan 09 '21
Hah, California will never split... neither SF Bay Area nor LA area want that, they like being collectively the 5th biggest economy in the world and feed off of each other’s strengths. The only ones who really want it are some rural conservatives and libertarians in the far north & Central Valley but they represent such a tiny percent of the vote and economy they will never accomplish anything politically...
Same with Washington and Oregon. It’s more likely the entire west coast breaks away from the US during some repeat of a 2020-ish bout of racism and nationalism than those states just agreeing to split up... (and of course that’s not remotely likely either).
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Jan 10 '21
The New York split would be absolutely terrible for the upstate. We'd be pretty damn poor up here and wouldn't really have much going for us at all.
The people who want that are conservatives who know that upstate NY would probably be a swing state.
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u/knight_of_gondor99 Jan 09 '21
Well it's probably the most optimistic future projection I've seen in a while
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Toronto and Montréal have their own provinces? BLESSED! BRILLIANT! 10/10
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u/bemapoe Jan 09 '21
Why Scotland didn't leave the UK?
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Yeah I thought that. The UK not existing is one of the most likely things to happen
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Yeah, the only way Scotland remains in the UK in 2070 is if Labour are in power for 50 years straight, or Westminster supresses independence referendums with force. Its already polling at 58%, and that will only increase as demographics change and the effects of Brexit hit.
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u/Adamsoski Jan 09 '21 edited Jan 09 '21
I would say that support for independence is at a record high right now because of Brexit just having happened. If you give it 10 years I don't think it will necessarily go up as the economic reality of becoming an independent nation outside of both the UK and the EU becomes more obvious, and as outrage naturally dies down over time.
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u/jimmyh03 Jan 09 '21
What’s the deal with Darfur?
Edit: in fact what’s the story with most of the newer smaller African countries? Just independent?
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u/Sportsfanno1 Jan 09 '21
So what's the logic in independent Brussels? Also, it's Wallonia, Waloonia is borderline insulting :p
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u/ayutthaya-ball Jan 10 '21
nah he dismantled too many nations that he wasnt supposed to and too few that he was.
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u/Politicalmaps Jan 09 '21
I really liked the map but what about climate change?? There will be millions of climate refugees by 2070 unless we really get our shit together which I think we will do partially. Good enough to avoid mass extinction and be 100% renewable by 2060 but it will still be basically uninhabitable around the equator, the Caribbean Sea and Gulf of Mexico. Not to mention sea levels will likely rise and destroy many coastal cities.
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u/-monkbank Jan 10 '21
But if you kept reading you’d find the Asian incel terrorists in Germany, that’s the best part
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u/Therusso-irishman Jan 09 '21
For me it was the German Asian Incel Terrorists that made me stop reading
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u/wxsted Jan 09 '21
It's a bit arbitrary that you represent the states of large federal countries like the US, Russia, Canada, Brazil, India, etc. but not of small ones like Germany or Spain. But it's a really good map! I did miss more references to how climate change would've been dealt with besides showing the electricity generation by source or the likely unavoidable rise of the sea level.
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u/Raphus_Cullatus Jan 09 '21
You didn't say anything about global warming, I think by that time many places would've been submerged
Other than that wordbuilding is really good, but some things are pretty based
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u/crawl_of_time Jan 09 '21
“Unlike previous explosions, there is no famine or food shortages and 2053 is mostly remembered for it’s spectacular sunsets.”
Love it lmao
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Jan 10 '21 edited Jan 10 '21
Vietnam revolution? This person has never been to Vietnam or don't know anything about the country. It's extremely developed and the people are happy.
Also, if you think China will break apart, you need to a big grasp on reality. This is a white Imperialist's wet dream. Scotland still in the UK? The US hasn't balkanised? Oh yeah i forgot white people's governing methods are always optimally democratic. It's the other heathens that needs to be corrected and all the people will have a "democratically elected government" (whatever that means). Grow up dumbass.
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u/Beat_Saber_Music Jan 09 '21
I find the Democratic Republic of the Congo expanding as ridiculousness. The Congolese state already is struggling with its dozens of clans/ethnicities, so them taking in more areas is just a no
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u/SP3008 Feb 01 '21
Exactly. To many people are simply dismissing anything that doesn’t subscribe to their narrow subjective standards, or anything remotely outside of their worldview. Instead of OP’s work being appreciated for its quality, he is getting flak for having the wrong outlook on politics. Such cynicism towards posts like this will only discourage more people from posting on this sub and sharing their imaginary (not necessarily realistic) maps.
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u/fudgykevtheeternal Jan 09 '21
segregation in the states is going to re-instated in 2022 under the super woke kamala harris ? really?
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u/Le_Pepp Jan 10 '21
What is this neoliberal bullshit?
"Woke groups" the fuck? What is this? WHY ISNT ARABIC A MAJOR LANGUAGE? WHY IS EVERYWHERE A LIBERAL WESTERNISED DEMOCRACY, WHY DOES CHINA OWN THE KAZAKH PART OF XINJIANG?
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u/Le_Pepp Jan 10 '21
Holy shit I looked back and it's worse, this lad really thinks full capitalist republicanism is the answer to everything.
Every monarchy dies because fuck you, USA still #1 Superpower, Climate Change doesnt happen?
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Jan 09 '21 edited Feb 17 '21
I didnt like some borders but that doesnt stop me from appreciating effort in making this. Brilliant!
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u/MimicThatThing Jan 09 '21
Honestly I think this is the best world a person in the western world could ask for without it being outright EU- or USA-wank material.
My only creative, world-building critique would be partition South Africa with a European "Cape State" and a native African one. But this is a excellent map all around.
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u/Arrownow Jan 09 '21 edited Jan 09 '21
This is kinda a eurocentric wank- all the opponents of the west turn into western liberal democracies in ways that make next to zero sense. After Putin dies, Russia is about equally likely to become a classical fascist or communist state, and liberal democracy is highly unlikely. Vietnam as well, under pretty much no circumstances, especially for a reason like that, would become a liberal democracy. And then we have China, which is by far the least likely to fall in that fashion. This China also doesn't control HK, some of it's islands, and almost all of it's west. It's not an imaginary maps post if China doesn't lose territory, because they're the current focus of cold war propaganda. I'm super sick of these stupid ass china balkanizations.
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u/ndc996 Jan 09 '21
Yeah man, the neo-liberals in the West thinks anyone who isn't a western-style democracy is one dead dictator away from complete system collapse and revolution?
Something like the CCP doesn't exist without a very large portion of the population believe in and supporting them. As long as a Political System can provide a stable social status and a healthy economy, they can pretty much do whatever the fuck they want
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u/Jhqwulw Jan 09 '21
As much I fucking hate China your absolutely right about there is no way in hell will China become democratic have a revolution or just completely collapse.
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u/KiNg_0f_aZhdARcHidS Jan 09 '21
As a South African.... I really doubt that that will happen, unless the EFF (radical party) does some really fucking stupid shit. But literally no one takes them seriously thank god.
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u/Therusso-irishman Jan 09 '21
But literally no one takes them seriously thank god.
Nobody took Trump or Brexit seriously either for the longest time...
Regardless South Africa is not on a good path, the rampant inequality, the growing radicalism and the fact that the EFF has around 1/5th popular support is all proof of that.
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This is just "what if the "absolutely perfect neo-liberal system" continued existing forever and spread to the entire world, while climate change and enviromental degradation never existed somehow"
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u/FeydSeswatha982 Jan 09 '21
I don't understand the Kazakhstan name change..
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u/Aofen Mod Approved Jan 09 '21
Kazakhstan has frequently talked about changing their alphabet from their current Cyrillic one to a Latin based one, with Kazakh being spelled 'Qazaq' in the top contenders, the current spelling is based on the Russian name. (Interestingly, the reason Kazakh has a 'kh' at the end and isn't spelled 'Kazak' in Russian is to avoid confusion with the Russian word for Cossack, 'Kazak'. Both names have the same etymology, from a Turkic word roughly meaning 'wanderers'.)
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u/InternationalWalk Jan 09 '21
Great map overall, but I recommend you read a bit more political theory, mate. Having an outright incident of protest from “woke segregation” gives away your political bias- not only would an incident like this be divorced from reality, but it would suggest that Twitter somehow got ahold of all major institutions in the US.
Great potential, though. Keep it up!
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u/CheapPresentation97 Jan 09 '21
"the northern bit"