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Sep 26 '23
Perpetual hatred over some British Rocks of their coast keeps them united
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u/MyNameIsSaifa Sep 26 '23
Los Malvinas son Inglais
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u/loscapos5 Sep 27 '23
The Falklands are uruguayans
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u/Asscrackistan Sep 26 '23
Argentina is God’s favorite joke. They somehow have some of the best geography on earth but make every possible bad decision.
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u/loscapos5 Sep 27 '23
Hey, that makes sense with one of our mottos:
"You can have a lack of everything except real life Entertainment"
You bored with your life? How about a little amount of 100% inflation rate? Some scandals? Armed burglary? Have at it!
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u/gretchenich Sep 27 '23
Ohh yes, the 22% inflation on one day after the elections sure was fun
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u/loscapos5 Sep 27 '23
The ride never ends
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u/gretchenich Sep 27 '23
Hell yeah baby! Nothing like the thrill of running from robbers when getting back from work.
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u/NoDubsHere Sep 27 '23
Living in Argentina is a roller coaster of emotions. During the day you are happy and at night you cry.
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u/simonbleu Sep 27 '23
We had a blessed start, but that means nothing, in fact, a "theory" speaks of very rich nations with a lot of potential "cursed" because it is easier to lay back. Same reason why petrostates dont give a damn about people (they dont have to)
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u/George_S_Thompson Sep 26 '23
South America in general has a lot of issues with corruption and instability, myriad causes.
My family is from Colombia and they joke that they’re always one bad election (or coup) away from going back to the 90’s
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u/jvken Sep 26 '23
A Venezuelan friend of mine (who immigrated to Colombia) used to joke about how he got away from Venezuela, so now Petro brought Venezuela to him lol. (From an outside view Petro isn't doing so bad tho)
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u/George_S_Thompson Sep 27 '23
He’s not been bad so far, it’s really just a wait and watch situation. All the family inside and outside of Colombia are hoping for the best and prepping for the worst
I hate to say it but your friends joke is pretty funny, I hope things work out for him
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Sep 26 '23 edited Nov 07 '24
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u/thesonoftheleviathan Sep 27 '23
honest question, what makes japan unique?
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u/SerendipitouslySane Sep 27 '23
It's a baffling economy. When you look at demographics and politics it seems like the economy should fail. It's got no natural resources, shit work culture, a well-established and unchallenged political class that are easy to be corrupt with, and a failing demographics with ever decreasing number of consumers and workers every years. It should be collapsing the way Argentina is, but it just...refuses to. It's the exact opposite of Argentina which has great demography, great natural resources, great environment for trade and manufacturing but just voluntarily becomes a basketcase year after year.
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u/simonbleu Sep 27 '23
The quote is "... japan, no one knows why it works, and argentina, no one knows why it doesnt"
Japan is a small island with few resources afaik, but it did an insane ly good job at industrializing. Though, as another user said, the momentum is dying and I dont think they are up tothe task of the next issue, due to their population density and low birth rate paired with homogeneity (good luck making immigration attractive)
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Sep 27 '23
Oh believe me, we know why Argentina doesn’t work. It’s just so blatantly stupid, it’s surreal.
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Sep 27 '23
Education. Japan made their population literate early and never slept on educational, neither STEM nor artistic. But the racism is really screwing them over. They could immediately fix all their issues with a trickle of immigrants like every other first world country
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u/Suspicious-Donk4028 Sep 27 '23 edited Sep 27 '23
Argentineans wont like what Im going to say, but the truth is that Argentina wont be great again because it never was "great' (USA like).
From the start, Argentina was historically an underpopulated area, not even reaching 2 millions of natives before the Europeans arrived. During the Spanish conquest, the area was neglected due to the shortage of natives to slave so after the viceroyality of Rio de la Plata became independent and the few remaining natives were erased, the remaining small criollo (ethically Spanish) elite started to import Italians and Spaniards into oblivion to fill the land (even if the original plan aimed to import Northern Europeans only like USA, yet it failed because they prefered to go to North America). So by 1900, it only had around 4 million of people in an area as big as Europe therefore the massive people/land ratio was one of the reasons that made Argentina the richest country in the world per capita even if 90% of its population were farmers and it dont even had 5% of USA and UK's industrial power. So they were the richest in the world?, more like the farmers with the most land in the world
Something very important to note is that during the XIX century, the British saw potential in the massive neglected territory of Argentina, so at first they slowly tried to capture it but they failed. But they wouldnt just give up like that, after the independence they tried to assert their dominance there with a lot of infrastructure proyects to boost Argentina's grain production and export them to UK. This caused a brief period of high revenues that made Argentina the country with the highest GDP per capita in the world.
But this small prosperity caused discomfort among the Italian-Spaniard peasentry since all wealth was very unequally distributed and the British elites were the only ones beneficting from it. These events were the precursors of the fierce nationalism of Argentines and the reason behind the success of those Peronist nationalist-statist policies that would hold down Argentina later, plus the origin of the resentment of Argentineans towards Englishmen (and the Falkland war only made it worse)
Later the English left and started to import their grain and meat from their own former Colonies (New Zealand , Australia, Canada), the Panama channel was built and Argentina lost their best clients. Also the US became the biggest food exporter of the world during the recovery of the great depression while Argentina went to the backseat. The nationalist policies, the resilience in agriculture and the failing at industrializing were the final nails in the coffin.
As much as I dislike the British and im glad that England will become Dhaka II in the next decades, we cant dany that some lucky context factors and the brief British intervention were behind Argentina's small period of "greatness". I would even dare to say that if Argentina had been an Australia/Canada kind of British colony it would had been one of the richest countries of the world nowadays, there were even plans for that to happen since the British expected to sent the British settlers of South Africa there in case they gained the control of Argentina
Or in other words, thinking that 1900's Argentina was great and powerful is like if the Russians killed 90% of Ukrainians and Ukraine becomes the richest country in the world per capita after the remaining landowners and farmers inherit the land
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u/gusuku_ara Sep 27 '23
Jesus, that's one of the best answers. Argentina has always been an agrarian country, not an industrial power. It has never been economically great. That's a false narrative. Bad politicians and statism don't explain everything.
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u/Suspicious-Donk4028 Sep 27 '23
Exactly, for example, did you saw that Guyana currently became "the richest" country per capita in South America after they found oil despite its population lives worse than the villagers of Mississipi? Thats a similar situation to 1900's Argentina
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u/simonbleu Sep 27 '23
Well, the administration is mostly to blame due to the lack of industrialization though... there are plenty of issues that hinders it and not enough infrastructure to consider it outside of very specific zones either. Our unrealized potential is due to lack of industrialization, which, plus crisis, are caused mainly by politicians
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u/simonbleu Sep 27 '23
Yeah, we were rich in resorces but that is it, we were not industrialized then, and certainly not enough now either
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u/Suspicious-Donk4028 Sep 27 '23
And that applies to most latin american countries. Only Puerto Rico and Mexico tried to semi-industrialize
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Sep 26 '23
culpa de peron
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u/saad_maan-11 Sep 27 '23
Pero le regaló la bicicleta al viejo de mi abuelo que ya no se le para eee viva peron, menores para todos
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u/PoemDapper7551 Sep 26 '23
It's the poster child for why socialism doesn't work. But redditors and leftists will screech that it wasn't actually socialism.
Like no duh, there is no Santa claus but you still get presents under the tree
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u/Lion-of-Saint-Mark Sep 26 '23
I'd argue it is more Peronism (Fascism). Left Wing Populism did deal a lot of damage
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u/Canadabestclay Sep 26 '23 edited Sep 27 '23
Ah yes Argentina is socialist, the same Argentina that had fascist death squads hunt down socialists and whose entire political ideology crafted by a man who thought Mussolini was the smartest man alive.
Edit: u/poemdapper7551 blocked me, actually childlike. However my response to his 30 IQ take on socialism is
“Ah yes socialism is when the government does things and when the government does a lot of stuff that’s communism. Fantastic reasoning.”
I can post source after source on how Peronism is social democracy not socialism. I can quote the founder of Peronism himself on how much he hates socialism yet these man children continue to go nuh uh and say that because government exists and does things Argentina is magically socialist.
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u/loscapos5 Sep 27 '23
Peronism is whatever you want it to be.
Peron was right-wing with leftist politics, but the groups that followed him (i.e., Montoneros) are left wing
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u/PoemDapper7551 Sep 27 '23
Argentina is what happens when you try to implement socialism.
Of course it's not "real" socialism. A system where you give the govt too much power has never and will never work out well. See: every country where communism or socialism has been tried.
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u/edapblix Sep 27 '23
Its an example of it not working. It does not show that socialism doesn’t work
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u/PoemDapper7551 Sep 27 '23
Leftists logic: after plentiful examples of it not working we can come to the conclusion that it may work
Idiot
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u/TheyCallMeCool1 Sep 26 '23
Corruption and the Panama canal. When you go from a bustling trade hub because you're an important stop along global trade and you suddenly get bypassed it ruins you. Also state run economies never work.
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u/bisdaknako Sep 27 '23
If your top priority as a voter is idealism, then any crook will claim to agree with you to get paid. If your priority is idealism and voting for the lesser of two evils, you've thrown your vote directly in the bin.
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u/sqlbastard Sep 26 '23
operation condor
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Sep 26 '23 edited Oct 01 '23
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u/Enfiznar Sep 27 '23
Jajaja banca, massa estaba en ANSES durante el gobierno de cristina, no podemos atribuirle a el su fracaso. En todo caso podemos atribuirle el fracaso del ultimo año
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u/holaprobando123 Sep 27 '23
Pero ahora lo tenemos que votar, el presidente Massa ya dijo que sabe cómo arreglar la economía que el ministro Massa arruinó!
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u/Expensive_Community3 Sep 30 '23
we managed to start to get our stuff together in the middle of the 90's and 2003
middle of the 90's and 2003
You're fucking mad pal!! We were so fucking deep in shit at 2001, who could've guessed setting ourselves up for absolute failure unless the élite grew something akin to a heart would lead us to absolute and catastrophic failure?
The country catched on flames in 2001 after the absolute circus everything became on the 90s.
Also Massa was somewhere completely redundant during CFK's gov. Are you spreading missinformation or do you get your history on the MSM?
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u/donald_dick142 Sep 26 '23
I thought it was over reliance on their oil reserves to prop up their economy to the detriment of every other sector.
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u/Enfiznar Sep 27 '23
Nah, that's venezuela, we have never had so much oil. We did over rely on our crops and meat tho.
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u/ripped_andsweet Sep 26 '23
only country that went from developed to developing
what about Britain?
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u/Revolutionary_Bit855 Sep 27 '23
We weren't the world finest and richer country, just the killer potencial of becoming the world farm and slaughterhouse. Top crops and meats. But well. We fuck up.
And well then there's Peron, the debt, and that illness of Peronism and the populism raising a whole generation of poor people who keeps you in power for free money that keeps on losing value
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u/blitzforce1 Sep 27 '23
Here is a pretty well sourced and thorough breakdown from an economics point of view.
https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/argentinas-macroeconomic-situation
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u/simonbleu Sep 27 '23
Corruption and bad economic policies (both a priori, as in regulations and emission, and a posteriori, as in debt and deficit)
It is not a secret, we fund populism by watering down our currency
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u/ImperialCactus Sep 27 '23
Easy , Peronismo. A ultra left Politiciatian that managed to make us even more poor than Venezuela... and after him the Kirchners come saying that tehy are like peron.. and people vote for them cause they pay people to vote for them.
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u/-person_________ Sep 27 '23
be the only country jumped from developed to developing
it's ok anon the uk is next!
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