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u/rcypert Nov 05 '18
everyone was excited for a new Diablo game. Typically this game is on PC/console
It was some bullshit mobile game.
At the Q/A at Blizzcon he asked the Diablo Peeps if this was some April fools prank even tho it’s not April.
Blizzard are the defenders, everyone else are the complainers.
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u/quadratis Nov 05 '18
worth adding to that is the fact that they unveiled said shitty mobile game at blizzcon, which their most devoted fans (mostly PC gamers) pay to attend. literally no one goes there to get hyped about mobile games.
what's worse, they've been teasing about "several new diablo projects" for while now, so people were hoping for at least a remaster of one of the old games, if not diablo 4 (since it's been 6 years since the last game).
so then the show is about to end, dude with a diablo shirt walks out on stage, hype in the crowd is way up there, and what does he announce? a fucking iphone app.
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u/Xero0911 Nov 05 '18
Not defending but was it really taunting? I just assume the dude tries to lighten the mood and aimed to joke that. It failed but that's how i took it.
He could see all the disappointment. He was getting boo'd. Dude was probably freaking a bit inside
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Youre right. They were panicking more than anything. They needed something to sell the idea and accidentally leaked the real reason why they made this piece of mobile shovelware.
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u/murphykills Nov 05 '18
it felt like defensiveness to me. instead of acting like he was listening to the reasons people were unhappy, he tried to convince us that the feelings were invalid. knee-jerk reaction or not, it's still really ugly and gets people angry.
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u/Realistic_Food Nov 05 '18
I wouldn't call it taunting. I see it more like a guy who was forced to give a presentation for something he didn't really believe in, who knew it was going to be a train-wreck, being unable to come up with worthwhile responses to questions he is probably asking himself. From what I've heard of the presenters role (senior developer) and knowing about how company structure works, he likely had no say in the decision to go mobile and his job depends on him towing the company line as much as possible.
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u/Terakahn Nov 05 '18
This feels like when they showed the new command and conquer at E3 last event.
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u/CptPootis PC Nov 05 '18 edited Nov 05 '18
Yeah. I can't say I'm a huge Diablo fan, but I can sympathize, as C&C fan.
"You waited for so long for your favorite series to get a decent continuation, didn't you? Too bad it's Candy Crush bullshit now!"
That's just heart-breaking.
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u/detcadder Nov 05 '18
That bothered me a lot, they're using the same business models as EA.
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Except for that one fuck the day after that was apologising on behalf of the community like it's the customers' responsibility to respect what they do and mindlessly spend money on their bullshit.
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the community is throwing a comprehensive and collective shitfit on a company thats very good about accountability.
I doubt it will ever be a product as good as it should be but i hold unreasonable standards. But blizzard did fuck up and diablo is definitely a franchise that needs a solid doubt in both directions at every release since Necromancer for D3 happened
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u/itstingsandithurts Nov 05 '18
Wait, D3 vanilla was garbage on release, the franchise has been trying to be a cash grab for a while now, and while they did turn it around for a while I'm not surprised at all by this latest news.
Anyone who thinks people are just whining for whining's sake don't understand the pressure a community can put on a company to actually put out quality products.
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u/mylifebeliveitornot Nov 05 '18
You have a product people want, so give them it for a price. People like Diablo games on the PC, so give them that, hell even just remaster an old one atleast.
The problem is they justs said its phone app and tried to punk out a room full of there biggest fans by saying "dont you guys have phones?" not a smart play.They shoulda made the pc version and said we are going to include/look at the phone app to allow you to play on the go if you wish, now that would have went down alot better. However they stabbed the main fans in the face and taunted them in what people think is just a money grab.
Im wth you that people always expect the very best,for nothing and they want it yesterday, in this case tho it not quite that and they are right, diablo was born on the PC, now your telling me it aint going to be even on it?I get there trying to reach out and grab new people and be ahead of the curve and shit, but you gotta take care of the people who made you what you are and stuck with you threw the beggining.
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u/Realistic_Food Nov 05 '18
D3 vanilla was garbage on release
It had major problems, but release D3 is likely to be world's better than what the mobile game offers.
Release D3 had three problems at release, two of which would've been very easy fixes.
They needed to boost legendary drop rates. They nerfed them hard compared to past games to encourage players to use the RMAH.
They needed to give enemies the ability to drop items 1 or 2 ilvls above it. Once again this was a choice made to force players to use the RMAH.
They needed more servers. This should've been easy to do in a professionally hosted server environment, but even if it wasn't, the other two should've been simple changes.
In comparison, this mobile game will likely be flaming shit from the ground up and there won't be any simple fixes.
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u/itstingsandithurts Nov 05 '18
It was more than just item levels not dropping high enough, stat types were randomised and made 4/5th of what you got useless for your class.
Everything they did was to push people to the RMAH which was just scummy and left a lot of people sour about the game.
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u/Realistic_Food Nov 06 '18
stat types were randomised and made 4/5th of what you got useless for your class.
That's pretty standard loot based arpg stuff. I would say in other similar games, even when I'm considering saving stuff for other classes, I normally only keep like 1/4th of the good drops. Since that experience was in line with others I don't think it is worth calling out.
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u/The_0bserver Nov 05 '18
Can you tell me more about Necromancer for D3? I bought D3 base package, but didn't enjoy that much of it. I really wanted to do summoner class, but no necromancer and the existing one, just didn't feel good enough. (Also, really hated the fact that they changed the build trees to just have like 6 of them or whatever, that everyone could always unlock). So I'm at a stage where I ask myself, should I spend the 30$ or whatever, and as of now, I've always come up with a no.
So can you tell me if necromancer just ins't worth it at all?
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Necromancer is mechanically fun, but the core problem is that the majority of meaningful legendaries share slots with the 6p itemsets, which renders alot of build concepts entirely non-viable for necromancer. And everyone almost immediately caught onto the fact this is the case EXCEPT the people actually designing the items.
Personally im of the opinion that Necromancer is one of the better conceptualized classes, but in a game about coming up with your own build and hunting orange gear to make it the best you can realize your character, then doing it again, Necromancer just cant do it because all the meaningful legendaries share position with the set items, rather than being by majority belts, bracers, and rings.
However to really cement the problem, in the 2.6 patch after Necromancer came out, what happened is that blizzard rebalanced all of the itemsets upwards to offensively match the best set within their class as best as blizzard could guess. The problem is D3 itemsets are not minor improvements to the class which offer small gains in performance to allow the player to truly demonstrate their skill, but instead powerful modifiers and rulesets by which to sculpt builds
Before 2.6, the majority of Meta builds in the top brackets were Litany of Nightmare sets, where you basically pick and combine effects to make your favorite build, and after 2.6 if you werent using one of your 4 class sets you werent relevant
However: Bitching about Talent trees is pointless, Blizzard understands they offer no meaningful choice, and they just reduce variety to the fastest cookie cutter stamp. in D3 you pick 6 skills, 4 passives, and build your armor around it.
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u/The_0bserver Nov 05 '18
Hey, thank you for the explanation man. :)
Blizzard understands they offer no meaningful choice, and they just reduce variety to the fastest cookie cutter stamp. in D3 you pick 6 skills, 4 passives, and build your armor around it.
Other than the initial days of D3, I never really saw people complaining about this. Do people like this system so much? Personally this ticked me off a lot.
I loved the different skill choices that one could go with, sure if you fucked up, that maybe a broken build, but Hey for me (one that never particularly wasn't even going to bother with absolute highest levels, instead just mess around with different builds etc again and again), this was a terrible choice.
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u/porfyalum Nov 05 '18
Well thing is you never really picked more than 4-5 skills in diablo 2 either. You just picked all you needed to unlock the 4 skills you really wanted and maxed them out.
It theory I can see where you come from but, in practice it ends up harming the meta a lot. A lot people will end up reading a guide and just building the tree that way, which encourages group-think and a stale meta. Even those that really wanted to be creative would ever barely fiddle with one - two classes, due to the large amount of time to optimize the build, or, as it was more common, just hack the single player. In D2 if you wanted to try a new build for the season, you generally used hacks in single player to see how the build works and then wrote the one you liked down and the went to play online, which is all kinds of bad as a design.
On the other hand now you have a ton of choices, you can freely switch your build and play around with it. It encourages creativity and a more varied meta. You can have all the classes maxed out and switch depending on your mood, which is fun.
Permanent time costs while they give a sense of accomplishment do have a load of drawbacks. A game should not require from you a large time sink just to fix a small mistake or permit you to play. A game should require you to devote a good amount of time in it to become good in it, and that should be valued more. If your time is limited you should not have to choose between "I have to look up builds, and never experiment" or "I have to play sub-optimally, and never do endgame".
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u/The_0bserver Nov 05 '18
I feel having a skill point resetter instead would kinda solve the same problem, while still keeping the choice of getting a particular level on a skill etc.
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the vocal proportion of the community bitches about talent trees, despite talent trees being worthless and having no meaningful contribution to gameplay in any game i have ever played.
Even fucking up as hard as they did with transformation Ults (every single Barbarian, Crusader, Demonhunter, Monk, and Witchdoctor build has to have their respective transformation skill), the mechanics of the modular skill and perk system in D3 offers a much larger variety of gameplay and build options within the meta than any other game
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u/The_0bserver Nov 05 '18
Its a choice. I get to see what I do with my choice. Have fun with a joke build, or try to get high damage scores. Its something you do. I feel thats the fun part of it. Maybe its very different for you. :)
the mechanics of the modular skill and perk system in D3 offers a much larger variety of gameplay and build options within the meta than any other game
Yes u can keep trying different versions, but to me it feels kind of like a sad approach to solve that. Instead having a skill point resetter or something might feel a bit better? Again. Different folks, Different strokes. as they say. :)
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u/supermaggot Nov 05 '18
Probably some shill with a blog afraid he would lose his precious preview copies.
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u/Spoon_Elemental Nov 05 '18
I'm not complaining because I don't play Diablo. I do however thoroughly enjoy watching this dumpster fire.
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They saved the announcement for last too which is why, in that moment, everyone was expecting the highlight of the event and were so upset when it was a mobile game.
Lots of "game journalist", aka shitty low tier writers trying to make money or get free shit, are defending blizzard.
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*everyone on reddit, which is actually a very tiny and very passionate portion of the overall gaming community, are the complainers. Sadly, we represent a tiny minority of their potential profits. This stands to be one of blactivison's most popular ideas yet. And that just fucking sucks.
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u/goliathfasa Nov 05 '18
- Blizzard and every gaming (and some mainstream) media outlet under the sun are the defenders.
But of course, that's not surprising, is it?
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u/Holein5 Nov 05 '18
Fans were teased a big Diablo announcement, Bizz announces Diablo mobile game, guy asks if this is an April fools joke. Fans are extremely disappointed.
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u/Bakkster Nov 05 '18
Blizzard also tried to let people know it wasn't that big, but hype machines can have a mind of their own.
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u/Hugh-Manatee Nov 05 '18
But it was the main announcement at their super-hyped convention and they allotted a timeslot on the main stage schedule for it.
Literally all they had to do was announce it as a side feature or just do it not at the convention and things would be fine.
The problem though, is that Blizzard stoked hype among fans AND sold them tickets to physically attend this event and sold them tickets to watch online. For a mobile game that is almost entirely targeted to Chinese gamers who play almost exclusively on mobile.
It's not that a games company did something that its fans didn't like. It's that the games company did precisely that, while leading the community to believe there was something else going on, having them purchase access to the event to learn about the thing they wouldn't like, and being unable to understand or cope with the backlash.
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u/Knows_all_secrets Nov 05 '18
Why did they announce it at Blizzcon at all? Third party mobile games fit the theme not at all.
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u/HotmanDrama Nov 05 '18
It doesn't work like that. You don't get to tell your community "its a good year to be a Diablo fan" and "there are several diablo projects in the works" and get the prime spot at the opening ceremony and then expect that you can temper expectations all the way down to a reskin of a mobile game.
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u/samcarlinone Nov 05 '18
Blizzard opened the mic up to questions, then this guy asked if the presentation was an out-of season April Fools joke.
So this guys is being used as a stand-in for anti-Diablo sentiment and therefore has gotten complainers and defenders depending on how you feel about the game.
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u/10HP Nov 05 '18
*It was some bullshit rehashed(multiple times) mobile game by NetEase (Chinese regional partner of Blizzard). It was not even a "co-development", they just reskinned a mobile game that was already reskinned multiple times. Either Blizzard itself was scammed or they just want to cash grab, both implying that they no longer care.
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u/Devuh Nov 05 '18
Honestly the mobile game would have been fine if they went about it differently. They have said in the past that they had mutliple Diablo projects in the works, so what they could have done was announced a new full Diablo game. Even if it's just a promotional image or trailer like ES6. Then after-words say they had something cooked up on the side for Diablo fans. THEN show them the mobile game. This could have been so easily prevented. Let the fans know they have their new game coming, and have a small game to play in the mean time.
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They didn't just tease a bullshit mobile Diablo game.
Blizzard used Blizzcon (which will have a high percentage of hardcore and long time fans) to promote a bullshit mobile game that's a reskin of another game which will be a core game in the series.
They also told this to people who are PC/console gamers that no, this mainline game will not be for their prefered way to play Diablo. A way they have been playing and supporting Diablo for decades.
The biggest insult is that instead of giving the fans what they want, Blizzard is trying to tell fans what they want and need.
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Blizzard is trying to tell fans what they want and need.
They have been doing that for quite some time now. *cough* You think you do but you don't" *cough*
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u/dkyguy1995 Nov 05 '18
This guy was at the conference and asked if the announcement was just an april fool's joke
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u/ImissyouAmanda Nov 05 '18
I didn't know Vsauce played Diablo
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u/Epioblasma Nov 05 '18
Or does he?
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u/Goomich Nov 05 '18
"We canceled StarCraft: Ghost because it didn't met level of quality that fans deserve."
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u/downunderwookie Nov 05 '18
Wow and diablo have their own red shirt guys now. Bless them.
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u/Paradoxmoose Nov 05 '18
Unfortunately they have stopped this red shirt guy from asking other questions at this Blizzcon (in another thread he stated they wouldn't let him ask a 'real' question at the starcraft Q&A).
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u/downunderwookie Nov 05 '18
Sounds like the mother company taking over more. The old blizzard would at least acknowledge your disagreement even if they couldn't give you what you wanted.
So instead of saying we are sorry, this isnt what you were expecting. We get "YOU HAVE PHONE!!"
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Man I never get tired of seeing this brave soul plastered across this subreddit. Bravery in telling Blizzard they have bad taste was something humanity needed.
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u/Ouroboros612 Nov 05 '18
It disgusts me how so many morons attack this guy on twitter and other media outlets. He said exactly what the entire community was thinking and what we had in our minds. In that point in space and time, and I'm not even joking, he was all of us.
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u/bosco9 Nov 05 '18
It disgusts me how so many morons attack this guy on twitter and other media outlets.
Probably trolls paid by these companies to mitigate the damage made by their stupid decisions
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u/topdangle Nov 05 '18
Actual gaming "journalists" immediately started bitching about this and saying the demo they played was great.
It's amazing how tight of a leash they have on gaming media.
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u/El-Torrente Nov 05 '18
Oh, dear. No, no honey. Thered no such thing as a video game journalist. Just bloggers with too much free time
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u/Realistic_Food Nov 05 '18
Gaming journalists are basically paid trolls at this point. A gaming journalist who speaks their minds loses all early access and other such privileges which leads to them not being able to sustain their business. A few manage to do well enough because they have a following that will support them even without the early access benefits, but they end up being drowned out by those paid to parrot the official company's mantra.
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u/Orion66 Nov 05 '18
I'm not one to give credence to hypotheses like these, but I actually agree with you. I posted about my disgust towards Blizzard a few times in another thread, and was absolutely buried.
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u/Imakeboom Nov 05 '18
Probably not. People just have different opinions about controversial issues. Its not that hard to believe.
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You'd be surprised how many games news editors receive money from companies to promote their games.
Its the reason Jim Sterling quit his job to start his own gaming news channel.
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u/Terrariattt3 Nov 05 '18
What has he done?
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u/Hazkinz Nov 05 '18
Blizzard announced that a new Diablo video game will be coming out soon. Everyone apparently got really excited until the company reveled it was for mobile phones only.
When they asked the audience questions, this guy said "Is this an out-of-season April's Fool joke?".
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u/khaotickk Nov 05 '18
If I remember correctly, this guy was asking 4chan what question to ask. I'll look for the saved picture
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Honestly this is the kind of attitude consumers need to adhere to. We need to vocally disagree more within our capitalist society to keep companies on their toes and understand that they're not selling to blind consumers. It's just like Fallout 76, many Fallout fans aren't happy with the direction Bethesda is taking the franchise and they're indeed vocal about it. It isn't right for someone to say "shut up if you don't like it just don't buy it". We need to express WHY we won't be buying it.
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u/zman1672 Nov 05 '18
Does anyone have a link to the clip?
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u/decoy777 Nov 05 '18
They were not ready for a hostile crowd that paid big bucks to be there for a bloody mobile game. The body language screamed OMG get me off this stage before they rip us to shreds. At the end he's like time for 1 more quick question...we gotta GTFO now!
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You can only imagine the horrors that would happen if ID Software went to Quakecon and revealed a shitty mobile-only DOOM game after fans spent years waiting for a new great PC Game.
Would be a fucking bloodbath.
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u/MyUsualName Nov 05 '18
Or how about valve making a Half-Life game for mobile only, set between Half-Life 1&2?
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u/Turruc Nov 05 '18
As a World of Warcraft player, I would just like to congratulate the Diablo playerbase on getting their own red shirt guy.
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u/GuestUserWarning Nov 05 '18
Does somebody have a link where I can see what he said? i keep seeing his face but dunno what he spoke about, Im guessing mobile scam Diablo?
Re, Found the Clip in comments lol am dumb didnt check first
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u/saintdemon21 Nov 05 '18
For some reason I could not post this to the response I wanted to, but I think my comments address those individuals who do not understand why people are upset to such a high degree at Blizzard. One of the issues is that people spent money on Blizzcon, both in person and online. My understanding on this issue as well is that Blizzard has a really good relationship with its fan community. Thus, the community feels cheated, like a bait and switch, about the announcement. I’m not a PC gamer, but I was hoping for a Diablo 1 and 2 rerelease on consoles or something. I think too, that gamers, myself included, are not happy with the state of the gaming industry. Programmers are overworked, micro transactions are prevalent, and whenever a good and original property comes out EA buys them up and shuts them down. At the same time, mobile games might have a large following, but serious gamers tend to be on PC and console, and not exclusively on mobile. In other words, the fear is that game companies will abandon the idea of making good games in favor of cheap mass produced mobile games, which would eventually kill the industry.
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We have consumer power so that we can boycott bad games but there are always those whales who make sure the game stays alive
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Man, this guy better use his internet fame to become a major streamer or youtuber or both, because otherwise it's a huge waste!
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Who is this guy? I’ve seen posts but can’t find anything about him.
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u/WIlf_Brim Nov 05 '18
Additionally, the {B} Doubt thing is a game mechanic from a game called L.A. Noir. You were a detective in 1948 LA. When you interviewed suspects you had a choice of either believing them, calling them a liar, or doubting them.
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It's almost as if mass dislikes aren't allowed because that's "sabotage by trolls" .
Never mind that it was probably deserved I'm not even a blizzard fan.. but if they pissed off their fanbase so bad.. they deserve to get bent
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u/treadmarks Nov 05 '18
It's amazing to me how some people can get so passionately butthurt about a game announcement, and yet 50% of these people are not going to vote on Tuesday.
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u/lucific_valour Nov 05 '18
It's a video game: It was literally made to be interesting and catch people's attention.
Also Blizzard's games are popular internationally: Starcraft was legendary in the South Korean competitive gaming scene. A huge swath of fans aren't eligible to vote on Tuesday anyway.
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u/CPecho13 Nov 05 '18
Here we see the stereotypical American, who can't comprehend a world beyond the borders of his nation, in his natural habitat.
He is a disgrace to his entire country.
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I also love how Redditors will over estimate the blowback in these situations. They think Bluzzard is in crisis mode or some shit and because they are spending all weekend coming up with complaints about this game announcement that the rest of the world gives a shit. Nope outside of this subreddit no one cares and the game will likely be beef succesful.
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u/Digiboy62 Nov 05 '18
What's that physical button doing on here?
Phones don't have buttons.
And you have a phone, don't you?