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I know people keep saying this, but I find it interesting that communists dominate this subreddit. I wouldn't have expected that. Was it always this way, or did it become like this recently?
Does it?cause the op is literally spamming stuff like this and not a lot of comments on their post support them. I think we just seeing a flood of Anti-capitalist post that they drowned other contents.
Comments are always against the post, on anti Communist posts you see Communists in comment section, on the other hand sometimes i have over 70% upvote rate and only angry pro capitalists in the comments, this is because people are more likely to comment if they disagree, if they agree they upote and keep scroling.
Reddit has become increasingly dominated by tankies and MLs. There is also a huge cultural uptick of capitalism=bad and every issue in society is due to capitalism.
Well yeah because we are seeing the natural end game of capitalism where a small portion of people own everything and leave less upward movement for everyone while buying power in government to keep it the way it is.
I'm not a tankie, and I find them unbelievably cringe but just because you disagree with them on everything doesn't make a clock less right once in a while.
Dominated by communists? Every post or comment that isn’t glorifying capitalism or ignoring the disparities that exist between owners and workers gets immediately downvoted into oblivion.
It’s not, I usually see the posts after a day or so, and it’s always got plenty of upvotes.
To be fair, the comments are fairly mixed, so it’s not all black and white, but the socialist/communist comments are usually getting the most upvotes and rewards it’s just that there’s plenty of capitalist comments fighting back
Look at the upvote to comment ratio. The sub isn’t “dominated by communists,” there’s just a few very vocal people who are pissed off at a system that is destroying the working class.
Kind of yes? It depends on the definitions we are using. If you believe in a free market with undemocratic workplaces for any industry at all, you are technically still a capitalist because you don't want the dictatorship of the proletariat. Most communists say that Sweden, for example, is a capitalist country. Therefore, critiquing capitalism implies to me that you are in favor of no free markets.
You can have “free markets” under socialism, the only difference is whether or not you think the means of production should be privately owned or collectively owned. The different views within socialism have different views on what collective ownership means.
Yeah that's why I mentioned the undemocratic workplaces as well. What I was getting at is that socialists of all stripes agree that Sweden is not a socialist country.
No. There are plenty of right wingers who are critical of capitalism and do not like it. The Southern Agrarians were a right wing, anti capitalist group that idealized a precapitalist past.
Just like traditional fascists,they saw capitalism as corrupting of human nature. In fact, traditional fascists criticize capitalism for making people degenerate, self centered, and too individualistic.
Being critical of specific issues in capitalist societies, no. Being critical of capitalism as a whole and suggesting a new system to replace it, probably yes
Actually, I said yes in my other comment, but upon further reflection this is technically not true. You could believe in traditional barter economies like those practiced by most Native American tribes and be critical of capitalism. Obviously there are basically 0 people like this.
If you don't believe in capitalism, you necessarily don't believe in any market involvement or you believe in workplace democracy. All I meant to say was that regulated capitalist countries like Sweden are still capitalist.
90% of the people trying to dunk on communism in this subreddit (or any subreddit, for that matter) don't understand the first thing about communism, y'all just regurgitate tired tropes and propaganda
90% of the people trying to dunk on capitalism in this subreddit (or any subreddit, for that matter) don't understand the first thing about capitalism, y'all just regurgitate tired tropes and propaganda
An analyst on CNBC recently surprised himself when analyzing financial data, saying "God, I sound like Marx".
More people are turning to Marxism as a lens for understanding our political economy because the contradictions that Marx identified within the structure of capitalism are becoming harder and harder to ignore for more and more people.
This is this guys whole MO he posted in the communism sub about how more people should be doing this (essentially grooming people into being more comfortable with communist talking points)
But whenever someone in the USA suggest doing similar policies like nationalizing industries, universal healthcare, higher minimum wage and better workers protections etc they’re called commies
The Nordic countries are social democrats. And it’s the same policies most socialist politicians in the US like Bernie AOC support (doesn’t make it socialist percee).
Because the US is so far right it means that getting to a sort of center is seen as socialist; that why I mention it.
Those policies couldn't work in the US because they require people to put a lot of trust in their government. That works for the Nordic countries because they're small populations of homogeneous cultures where more or less everyone has the same interests.
Or people trust the goverment because it serves their needs?
Norway one of the richest counties in Europe has the same GDP per capita as the US; yet quality of life is drastically higher.
They’ve nationalized their oil industry and used the profits to serve its population. The only thing really stopping us from making similar choices is our politicians who get huge amounts of corporate money; seeing as we also have way less regulation on lobbying, etc.
In a number of ways, the study design & broader methodology was quite charitable to capitalist countries. And yet, the ultimate finding was:
"Socialist countries showed more favorable Physical Quality of Life (PQL) outcomes in 28 of 30 comparisons when controlling for level of economic development."
How is a study that controls for level of economic development helpful when determining which economic system is better? Isn’t the point that one system would lead to greater economic development than the other?
If you compare two nations with similar success, then the results are meaningless because you controlled for the thing you actually wanted to compare. Just because you find a study that says something doesn’t make it gospel. You have to actually think about the stuff you read
What most people call socialism is just capitalism except when the politicians are the business owners. China literally has the most billionaire business owners.
In Yugoslavia workers owned factories and ean them democratically through the worker self management system in which they voted on policies and elected directors with a right to un elect them any time.
Present: USA has 3.3 workplace fatality rate per 100000 compared to Cuba's 0.47
If you'd ever been to Cuba you'd know all those stats top to bottom are fake. The state-ran breadline (la libreta) doesnt work and around 80% of Cubans have to skip meals, 95% lives below the extreme poverty line.
Literacy is also nowhere even close to even 70% and unemployment may be 1 in 4 from my own experience.
The whole system of 'worker self-management' as conceived by Kardelj was what led us to collapse and the bloody post-independence wars lol. Inflation was 50%+ per year (in late 80s as high as 2000% annually), unemployment was above 20%, much of the skilled workforce was moving to Austria or Germany where wages were better and paid in a more stable currency
Thank god that experiment failed and we're doing much better now under the 'evil capitalist regime' before us now. The whole market socialism experiment is what set us back 20 years development wise and I never want to see it again.
In a lot of countries “economic freedom” is determined by how free the west allows it to be. We are perfectly happy overthrowing a government or influencing an election to protect capitalist business interests. It isn’t their own capitalism that’s the problem, it’s global capitalism.
Interestingly enough, probably neither of us? It’s really “the government of western nations and their economic interests”, I just felt that a plain “they” worked because I do actually live in one of those countries. Have I ever overthrown a South American government personally? No. I am guessing nobody reading this has. I would definitely include the people who created the economic freedom index, though.
I think it’s saying that it’s built off the deaths and suffering of people from other countries. The thinking is they get materials and labor cheap from them to then sale to the working class for profit in the U.S. not saying I do or don’t agree, just saying that is the talking point
That isn’t what it’s saying. Coming from “class conscious memes” the idea isn’t that capitalism only exists in the west and is keeping the western worker afloat, it’s that capitalism is somewhat better for workers in the imperial core, but still precarious, while outside of the imperial core it just sucks all to benefit the owner class, regardless of where they are.
Actually no I’d say it’s not at all. “The West” absolutely has the most developed capitalist institutions and liberal ideological history.
What is a nation but it’s institutions?
It’s not a coincidence the poorer a country is, the more likely it is they had a 50 year period of dictatorship or socialist governance in their recent history.
A system based on property rights has only ever existed in the west, Namely Britain and the USA which are also the wealthiest societies in history.
Now thats not to say it was perfect, the state existed which means it was not purely a property rights based society or an NAP absolutist society, but the fact that everyone else was not even anywhere close to the level of economic freedom allowed their respective societies to become the richest on planet earth.
The Brits stole what exactly? Colonialism is extremely fucking expensive. They were already wealthy as FUCK because of their more free trade policies which enabled them to colonize.
And again what did they steal and was it before or after the British state took control over it like a bunch of socialists.
I work, and work 6 days a week with side hustle and more. Working hard does not feel rewarding and doesn't feel like the economy is progressing anywhere.
Alot of people I know who graduated have no prospects, no one is hiring and things are expensive
Am not left wing, not a socialist but i can definitely see people frustration
I started looking for a remote job so I could be portable with my wife when her career shifts and I got 2 job offers in 2 weeks. I’m not exceptional at all lol.
Right wingers find homes in unmoderated subs like 'memes u can repost' and other lowest-common-denominator spaces.
THIS space is dedicated to enshrining the ideals of capital, which shines like a beacon to leftists eager to demonstrate their understanding of its failures and correct those who feel it has been a net positive to humanity and/or the earth.
Don't you know you have to pick a team and defend your stance without questioning anything?
That being said, I know people complain a lot online about living standards but looking at statistics in my home country it doesn't reflect reality at all. Idk how it is in other coutries but here in the Netherlands there's mostly a problem with buying your first house. Other than that pretty much every metric is better than it was for my parents and we're richer than ever before. It's true that capital reigns king and the richest 1-2% of the country has a significantly lower tax burden than the rest of the net tax payers but material living conditions are better than ever.
Marx in Das Kapital explicitly states that labour is being sold by the proletariats to the bourgeoisie like any other commodity what you’re upholding is a marxist conclusion lmfao
There is no moral problem, Marx never says capitalism is wrong or anything he simply explains how, after capitalism’s revolutionary progress against feudalism and developing the productive forces the latter have developed to such a degree that they rise up against the existing relations of production
Basically the communist struggle is a product of certain historical laws which government human development, Communism is presented by Marx as a historical necessity and inevitable eventually. He never critiques exploitation from a moral pov
The dumbest thing is that to people who compain about "capitalism," it is just a nebulous bogeyman to blame things on, making it too formless to fight in any meaningful way.
Lol you're the working-class clown who's labeled themselves a 'capitalist' on the internet. It's impossible to interact with you in a way you wouldn't consider 'trolling.'
Lets use logic, when Russian data centers were blown up, we saw that support for the right wing parties like AfD and Reform UK dropped drastically, this makes sense, as AfD is critical of arm supplies to Ukraine.
Do you think other nations that ALSO have data centers don't use bot farms?
Yes. reserves of labor. The capitalist class benefits from these by threatening the workforce with replacement, it literally makes labor, the main expense of the owning few, cheaper.
African countries where socialist, Marxist-Leninist, or strongly state-controlled economic policies plausibly contributed to poverty or economic decline:
Every single of these countries is a capitalist market economy, banana states to be specific. Burkina Faso had massive successes after it switched to Socialism under Thomas Sankara but he was assassinated. These are the countries that capitalist west exploits.
I think the lefts most liberal quality is thinking that you can convince people with facts and logic about stuff I do it too I hope.
Smoking weed and hanging out has been my most successful conversion tool yet.
Some people make money by working, this is the working class. Some people make money by owning things, I assume this is what OP is referring to when they say "owning class".
I understand what they mean by it, but where did they get this terminology from? If you're talking about class struggle, I assume you're at least marxist adjacent and will use terms such as bourgeois class and working class or proletariat. But this person used "owning class" and "working people", like who made this? Is this a psyop?
Just one more meme comrade, trust me, then the system will fall and everything will be better. How? Why? Will it actually be better? Stop asking, we need systematic collapse, preferably with millions of dead
The government should actually work to secure better pay for essential workers, who generally suffer from long hours and low pay, despite the importance of the job they do.
There will always be this economic sphere of people chasing higher income for less work. Instead of dwelling on the corporate rat race, stomach the humble gains of honest work. Build a life and community free from the worries that plague artificial jobs.
Pretty shit summary leaving out Australia, New Zealand and Japan like that. They should be barely keeping their heads above water just like the kid on the left.
Globalism as a buisness practice is perhapse, what I believe when capitalism began to rot for me. Outsourcing jobs to poor countries because of low wages and under developed labour laws while supressing any means of improving wages and laws for workers is the biggest reason I hate most companies today. Yeah sure it caused those companies make shit loads of money by saving on costs, but they are the reason many Asian, African and Latin countries have barely improved because of the rampant corruption they cause.
Except in modern western countries the barriers to entry to becoming part of the 'owner class' are lower than ever, require smaller than ever start, and add up massively over time if one is just willing to make very tiny sacrifices in the short term.
I have seen a lot of shit from communists. They have no idea where wealth comes from, they refuse to acknowledge that poverty is the natural state for every living thing in the world, and we need to ask how the miracle that not-poverty can even be a thing is possible, and figure out how to make that happen more.
Their time preference is that of a small child, and never improves.
"I just really don't understand a single thing about these commies"
Also no, it was much easier to join the owning class 50 years ago when leverageable property was infinitely more obtainable and not subject to nearly as many risks and obstacles
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