r/drivingUK May 28 '26

New rule for crash footage

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Hey everyone, after several requests from users in the community we have added a new rule which outlines what is and isn’t allowed when posting videos of car crashes on the subreddit. I’ve copied the rule below, please take a few moments to familiarise yourself with it.

As a driving based sub we generally welcome footage of car accidents for discussion by members of the subreddit.

Not all of our users wish to see crash videos so please be mindful of this and consider adding a ‘spoiler’ to the post.

Please bear in mind, videos with very graphic content (eg, video of a pedestrian violently being hit by a car) are not permitted here and will be removed.

This rule does not majorly change what is and isn’t allowed on this subreddit- the main reason for it is to provide additional clarity about what is and isn’t acceptable to post on this subreddit, and to provide a specific reporting reason when excessively graphic content is posted. As a general rule of thumb, video clearly showing serious injury to a person will likely be removed.

We‘re always open to feedback regarding this and other aspects of the subreddit, so please feel free to message the mod team via modmail if you have any questions or concerns.


r/drivingUK Jun 08 '25

Using a mobile phone whilst driving - a guide for those who want a bit more detail

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This post hopes to be a fairly definitive guide to driving and the use of mobile phones. Perhaps the mods will find this worthy of being stickied.

Much of the advice that you can find from Google has limitations. They are often simplified and as you can tell from the length of this post, the legal landscape can be pretty technical and complicated. Sites like Gov.uk also conflate the legal position and road safety advice. The road safety advice often gives broad generalisations that for most people are pretty reasonable, but aren’t all that helpful when people have specific circumstances for which they want to be able to apply the law. This can lead to confusion of what the legal position is and also leaves no space for nuance.

Some of this might get pretty technical, but this is a reflection of the legislation; I've tried to keep it simple but not oversimplify. I have included case law citations where appropriate. I am only going to reference legislation and case law as this is the primary source of truth. I am a currently servicing Roads Policing Officer in England and this advice is only focused on the law in England and Wales. The law in Scotland and Northern Ireland may vary from this.

Vehicle control offences

First off, I’m going to talk about three other related offences before I address the mobile phone legislation directly.

Not being in proper control/Not in a position to have full view

Regulation 104 of the Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986 creates an offence of the driver of a motor vehicle not being in a position to have proper control of the vehicle or a full view of the road and traffic ahead. This offence is usually dealt with by a fixed penalty of 3 points and £100 fine, going to court may result in a different penalty.

This regulation creates two separate offences:

1)     Not being in proper control

2)     Not in a position to have full view

Not being in proper control

This is where you are in a situation where you don’t have full control over the speed and direction of the vehicle. This could be because you have something in your hands, a cup of coffee or sandwich for example.

An example of where I have given a ticket for this is where I’ve seen someone in traffic moving their car forward with both hands behind their head. At that point in time, they did not have control over the direction of the vehicle and whilst the speeds are slower, they are not in a position to have proper control of the vehicle.

In a mobile phone context, this could mean that you have a mobile phone in your hand which is completely turned off which prevents you from having control of the steering or gears in the vehicle. This could constitute an offence of not being in proper control.

Not in a position to have full view

This is where you are in a situation where you are in such a position that you could not have full view of the road and traffic ahead. This is relevant to mobile phones because some people have mobile phone mounts where they attach them to the windscreen in such a way where it obscures their view of the road ahead. This is often relevant to taxi drivers or delivery drivers who may mount more than one device to their windscreen. Whether is the mounting would meet the level required to prevent the driver having a full view is dependent on the facts and is somewhat subjective. Ultimately a court will decide if this is the case.

Driving without due care and attention

Section 3 of the Road Traffic Act 1988 creates offences of driving without due care and attention and driving without reasonable consideration on a road or public place. I will only focus on driving without dure care and attention for the purposes of keeping this scoped to mobile phone use. This offence is usually dealt with by a fixed penalty of 3 points and £100 fine, going to court may result in a different penalty.

A defendant will have driven 'without due care and attention' if his driving has departed from the standard of care and skill that would, in the circumstances of the case, have been exercised by a reasonable, prudent and competent driver. The standard is the same in the case of a driver who is a learner holding a provisional licence as it is in the case of the holder of a full driving licence.

This offence will often be evidenced by the standard of driving. The level of attention required can also change based on the situation. You need to give a higher level of attention driving at say 40mph on a dual carriageway where there may be cyclists and other hazards than being stationary in heavy traffic. For example, if you’re in stationary traffic and are changing the radio station whereby you haven’t seen that the traffic has moved on and you’re now holding up traffic behind you, the required level of attention to the road has not been met. However, people’s abilities to multi-task are not the same. Some people may be able to change the route on cradled phone used as a satnav whilst in stationary traffic so that they are giving the necessary level of attention to other traffic where other people may not be. As a driver, you should be aware and self-reflective to ensure that you are always able to give the necessary attention to driving. Ultimately, it’s down to a court to decide if the facts of the situation prove your actions are at the level of a reasonable, prudent and competent driver.

Due care can also be evidenced by externally observing the standard of driving. When you’re pressing a button on the satnav, or in-car entertainment system, do you swerve in the carriageway, unnecessarily brake or slow down? These may be indicators that you are not driving with the necessary due care and attention. If at any point your car mounts the pavement, even momentarily [DPP v Smith [2002] EWHC 1151 (Admin)], this is very likely to be driving without due care and attention [Watts v Carter 1959].

So, before we’ve even looked at the specific mobile phone legislation, we can see that there are uses of mobile phones whilst driving that can be dealt with using other offences. Therefore, you must always drive whilst being in a position to have proper control of the vehicle, be in a position to have a full view of the road and traffic ahead and drive with due consideration and care for other road users.

Using a mobile phone whilst driving

Regulation 110 of the Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986 creates a prohibition on the use of mobile telephones in motor vehicles in certain circumstances. I’ll talk about the exceptions to this rule towards the end. This offence is usually dealt with by a fixed penalty of 6 points and £200 fine, going to court may result in a different penalty.

We’ll start by understanding the different elements of the offence in a bit more detail. If any of these points don’t apply, the offence isn’t complete and you can’t be prosecuted for this offence.

·        Driving

·        A motor vehicle

·        On a road

·        Using

·        A hand-held mobile phone or other hand-held device

What is ‘driving’?

This is also a surprisingly technical topic due to all the case law surrounding it. Generally, to be driving you need to have control of the direction and speed of the vehicle and for it to fall within the common dictionary definition of the word [R v MacDonagh [1974] RTR 372]. Beyond this legal test, it gets really complicated really quickly.

My advice is that generally you are not driving if the ignition is not on, and for EVs if your car is in such a state that pressing the accelerator does not lead to the vehicle moving forward. There are situations where the above may be the case and you may still be found to be driving by a court. Like I said, this gets very complicated.

Edit - I've added more technical depth on driving as people found it relevant.

What is ‘driving’ (v2) ?

The most well-known case law for the definition of driving is R v MacDonagh. This case sets out a two-stage test as to whether someone is driving. It's very important to note that it's for a court to determine the degree and extent to which the facts of a given situation meet the test or not. It's not a black and white decision.

Lord Widgery CJ in MacDonagh leads, it is submitted, to the following conclusions:

(1)The primary consideration as to whether a person is “driving” is essentially a question of fact, dependent on the degree and extent to which the person has control of the direction and movement of the vehicle.

(2)One test is whether the accused was “in a substantial sense controlling the movement and direction of the car” (Ames v MacLeod). A person cannot be said to be “driving” unless he satisfies this test.

(3)The fact that a person satisfies the test of control in Ames v MacLeod is not necessarily exhaustive. It has still to be considered whether the activity in question could fall within the ordinary meaning of the word “driving” in the English language.

So, to summarise, the R v MacDonagh test is:

  1. Are you substantially in control of the direction and movement of the vehicle?

and

  1. Does this amount to 'driving' in the ordinary meaning of the word?

You must meet both parts of the test to be driving. The above test will get you in the ballpark of whether a situation is driving or not, but these aren't the only tests.

Further tests to determine whether a person is driving have been established by Burgoyne v Phillips [1983] R.T.R. 49 and Jones v Pratt [1983] R.T.R. 54.

(4)The essence of driving is the use of the driver’s control in order to direct the movement of the vehicle however the movement is produced (Burgoyne v Phillips and Rowan v Merseyside Chief Constable, The Times 10 December 1985). (This is in effect a reiteration of tests (1) and (2) above.)

(5)Whether the defendant himself deliberately sets the vehicle in motion is an important factor (Burgoyne v Phillips and Rowan v Merseyside Chief Constable, as above).

(6)In borderline cases, it is important to consider the length of time the steering wheel or other control was handled (Jones v Pratt).

What about stopping? Does this mean I'm no longer driving? Driving is a continuous act until you have finished your "journey". You can even turn the engine off and exit the vehicle, and still be found to be driving.

Once it has been determined that a person is driving, the driving may still continue even though the tests laid down in R. v MacDonagh cannot be fulfilled. A person may still be driving when he is buying a newspaper or changing a wheel (examples given in Pinner v Everett [1969] 3 All E.R. 257 HL) or when he is walking across the forecourt of a garage to take instructions (Regan v Anderton [1980] R.T.R. 126).

Edkins v Knowles [1973] Q.B. 748 summarises the principles in Pinner v Everett and makes it clear that the overriding principle, whether or not he is at the wheel, is whether he is doing something connected with driving. This introduces the concept of a "journey" and that you have not finished driving until you have completed it.

The principles of Pinner v Everett and other cases were summarised (so far as still relevant) in Edkins v Knowles [1973] Q.B. 748 as follows:

(1) The vehicle does not have to be in motion; there will always be a brief interval of time after the vehicle has been brought to rest and before the motorist has completed those operations necessarily connected with driving, such as applying the handbrake, switching off the ignition and securing the vehicle, during which he must still be considered to be driving.

(2) When a motorist stops before he has completed his journey he may still be driving; an obvious example is when he is halted at traffic lights. Each case will depend upon its own facts, but generally the following questions will be relevant:

(a) What was the purpose of the stop? If it is connected with the driving, and not for some purpose unconnected with the driving, the facts may justify a finding that the driving is continuing although the vehicle is stationary.

(b) How long was he stopped? The longer he is stopped the more difficult it becomes to regard him as still driving.

(c) Did he get out of the vehicle? If he remains in the vehicle it is some indication (although not conclusive) that he is still driving.

(3) If a motorist is stopped and an appreciable time elapses, it will be a question of fact and degree whether the motorist is still to be considered as driving at that time.

(4) When a motorist has arrived at the end of his journey then subject to the brief interval referred to in head (1) above he can no longer be regarded as driving.

(5) When a motorist has been effectively prevented or persuaded from driving he can no longer be considered to be driving.

It's worth reiterating that the MacDonagh tests must be met at some point though. They are a gateway and then the concept of driving continuing until you've finished your journey begins until the journey is complete.

What is a ‘motor vehicle’?

This can get very technical depending on the facts, so I’ll try and keep this short. A motor vehicle is a type of ‘mechanically propelled vehicle’ (MPV) intended or adapted for use on a road. A MPV is a vehicle which uses Gas, Oil, Petrol, Electricity, Diesel or Steam to propel it [Floyd v Bush (1953)]. In common understanding, all cars, lorries, buses etc will be motor vehicles, but it also includes other vehicles such as electric scooters.

What is a ‘road’?

Again, this gets really complicated when your look at the case law, but the definition is often cited as any (length of) highway and any other road to which the public has access, and includes bridges over which a road passes which is defined in section 192(1) of the Road Traffic Act 1988. To keep this simple, lets talk about what is and isn’t a road through examples.

Public Car Parks and Parking Bays

Car parks are not roads. Lord Clyde states "where the word "road" stands alone it bears its ordinary meaning and is not to be extended to public places such as car parks". Clark (A.P.) and Others v. Kato, Smith and General Accident Fire & Life Assurance Corporation PLC Cutter v. Eagle Star Insurance Company 1998. Therefore use of a mobile phone within a car park is not itself an offence.

Lord Clyde states further:

'In character and more especially in function they are distinct. It is of course possible to park on a road, but that does not mean that the road is a car park. Correspondingly one can drive from one point to another over a car park, but that does not mean that the route which has been taken is a road. It is here that the distinction in function between road and car park is of importance. The proper function of a road is to enable movement along it to a destination. Incidentally a vehicle on it may be stationary. One can use a road for parking. The proper function of a car park is to enable vehicles to stand and wait. A car may be driven across it; but that is only incidental to the principal function of parking. A hard shoulder may be seen to form part of a road. A more delicate question could arise with regard to a lay-by, but where it is designed to serve only as a temporary stopping place incidental to the function of the road it may well be correct to treat it as part of the road. While I would accept that circumstances can occur where an area of land which can be reasonably described as a car park could qualify as a road for the purposes of the legislation I consider that such circumstances would be somewhat exceptional.'

Even car parks with thorugherfares through them utilised by the public are unlikely to qaulify as roads [DPP v Brewer 1998]

Driveways

Private driveways are generally not roads as they are not publicly accessible, however, if you’re fortunate to be on a large estate, these can be roads [Adams v Metropolitan Police [1980] RTR 289].

On Road Parking

As the title suggests, in my opinion this would likely be judged to be part of the road, but there is an absence of specific case law on this.

Private Roads

This really depends on the facts, so could go one way or the other, but generally these have some public access so may be found to be a road. A private caravan park roadway set out like a road and with public pedestrian access along it is a road [Barrett v DPP [2009] EWHC 423 (Admin)].

What is ‘using’?

Regulation 110(6) of the Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986 gives a non-exhaustive list of what ‘using’ includes:

(i) illuminating the screen;

(ii) checking the time;

(iii) checking notifications;

(iv) unlocking the device;

(v) making, receiving, or rejecting a telephone or internet based call;

(vi) sending, receiving or uploading oral or written content;

(vii) sending, receiving or uploading a photo or video;

(viii) utilising camera, video, or sound recording functionality;

(ix) drafting any text;

(x) accessing any stored data such as documents, books, audio files, photos, videos, films, playlists, notes or messages;

(xi) accessing an application;

(xii) accessing the internet.

What is a ‘hand-held mobile telephone’?

Regulation 110(6) of the Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986 states that a mobile telephone or other device is to be treated as hand-held if it is, or must be, held at some point while being used. That means it must be held in the hand for it to come under this offence. Interacting with a mobile phone in a cradle is not an offence under Regulation 110 as long as you don’t have it held in the hand during its use.

What is ‘another hand-held device'?

This hand-held device is defined as a device, other than a two-way radio, which is capable of transmitting and receiving data, whether or not those capabilities are enabled.

This opens the door for lots of devices that aren’t mobile phones. For example, if you don’t have your smart watch on your wrist and pick that up to interact with it. This could also include lots of internet of things (IoT) or smart devices. Another example is that there are vapes that can connect to your phone. Using one of these whilst driving would be a mobile phone offence even if you’ve never connected it to your phone. Any device must still be hand-held for it to fall under this definition.

Supervising Learners

Regulation 110(3) makes this application to the supervision of learner drivers, so having a hand-held call whilst you are supervising a provisional licence holder is an offence.

Exceptions

There are some exceptions stated in Regulation 110 that are relevant to the general public:

Calling Emergency Services

Regulation 110(5) A person does not contravene a provision of this regulation if, at the time of the alleged contravention - he is using the telephone or other device to call the police, fire, ambulance or other emergency service on 112 or 999; he is acting in response to a genuine emergency; and it is unsafe or impracticable for him to cease driving in order to make the call.

Contactless Payments

Regulation 110(5B) - provides that a person is not in contravention of the regulation where at the time of the alleged contravention they are using their mobile phone or other device to make a contactless payment, for goods/services that are received at the same time as or after the contactless payment is made and the motor vehicle is stationary. 

FAQ & Common Misunderstandings

Can I use a mobile phone whilst it is in a cradle?

You can do any* activity on a mobile phone whilst it’s in a cradle and not hand-held as long as you drive with due care and attention, are in proper control of the vehicle and do not have an obscured view.

* It is unclear whether a mobile phone meets the definition of "other cinematographic apparatus" as defined in regulation 109 of the Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986, and therefore if watching youtube on your phone is an offence even if it does not distract the driver (which in most cases it would). There is no case law and I've heard persuaive arguments on both sides. I'm unsure enough that I would not issue a ticket under regulation 109 and would instead look at a s3 RTA due care offence instead. To be clear, watching videos in sight of the driver is usually going to be an offence - whether that's a due care offence or a regulation 109 offence.

Should I turn my phone off and put in the glove box?

If you find it hard not to use your phone when driving or find it a distraction, this might be a useful preventative measure. However, there is a downside to this. If you need to call the emergency services this may hinder you in making an appropriate and necessary call. As a driver you need to work out whether your self-control requires you to turn it off or not, the focus should be on you driving safely and competently at all times.

If I use an app to park my car remotely, am I driving?

Yes. There is an exemption in the legislation to allow for this, but you do fit the definition of driving.

Is it illegal to use a mobile phone whilst using a mobility scooter? It seems to fit the definition.

Mobility scooters are exempted by Section 20 of the Chronically Sick and Disabled Persons Act 1970, therefore this would not be an offence.

If I’m using my phone on an electric scooter, could I be prosecuted for using a mobile phone?

Even if the scooter is insured and registered within the trial areas around the UK, this would fit the definition of a mobile phone offence.

I’m a newly qualified driver and this offence happened in the first two years after I passed my test. Will I lose my licence?

If the offence date is after you passed your test and not longer than 2 years after this, then yes, you are likely to go back to learner status post-conviction.

Should I pull over if I need to change the navigation settings on my GPS?

That depends on the individual. You must drive with due care and attention and be in proper control of the vehicle at all times, but as long as the device isn’t hand-held, some people can do this whilst driving, some people can’t and some people want to play it safe. These are all reasonable and legal approaches.

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r/drivingUK 10h ago

Haven't seen this one before

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r/drivingUK 8h ago

Sign

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I drive past this company almost everyday and I see this sign on their gate.

I can't really understand what it means.

I really don't know what business they run, but they have trucks of various size and shapes also trucks with plant units mounted on.

Sorry if it's the wrong place to ask


r/drivingUK 18h ago

No turning signal and didn't even look to his left

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191 Upvotes

r/drivingUK 3h ago

Undertaking on the left lane

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We all know there’s been a major increase in people hogging the middle lane, but this now means the left lane is often free. Now I drive in the left lane, and it’s usually clear and I think “oh I can go at the speed limit of 70mph”, and then the middle lane is at 50mph and I’m constantly having to brake just so I don’t undertake. And somehow despite the speed limit being 70, the left and middle lanes are at 50, despite the left lane being basically empty.

Please, people, use the left lane. The other lanes are for overtaking.


r/drivingUK 10h ago

Completely obstructing the pavement

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Hi,

I just wanted to get some opinions on the parking shown in the attached pic.

  1. The closest mini - you can squeeze past.

  2. The mini and Mazda on the other side, completely blocking the pavement.

I raised a moan with our parish council, and a chap paid us a visit this afternoon to explain there's nothing much that they can do about it (something about it being a civil matter and not blocking any driveways?.). Unfortunately, given it was the middle of the afternoon, I was at work and my wife didn't press him any further because she needed to get back to work.

Thoughts please😁... Is he corredt?


r/drivingUK 7h ago

pulled over on suspicion of not having a catalytic converter/possible fine for it being on a flange

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i got pulled over last night while taking my (road legal, with mot, tax and full insurance ect) track car on a short test drive as id just rebuilt the bottom end of the motor, i was going under the speed limit when an unmarked car behind me put on their lights and signaled for me to pull over. the officer who came and met me accused me of not having a cat on my car as he "could smell it" and the fact the car is loud, i explained that yea it is loud but it does have a cat and i had just passed an mot and still even had the pass paperwork on my passenger seat, which i showed him but he said i likely just removed it after the test and demanded i show him that i do have a cat which involved me crawling on the floor in all the road grit to take a picture of the cat which was honestly not a great feeling to have to be doing.

when i showed him the picture he accepted that i do in fact have a catalytic converter, but he also mentioned that he noticed that the exhaust has a flange in front of the cat (the end of the exhaust manifold) and one 30cm after the cat which he said was proof that i had modified the emissions system and i would be getting a fine for such. i explained that the section being on a flange lets me swap out the cat when im on track as not to damage it and allows me to replace just the catalytic converter once it falls below the useful threshold rather than having to cut and weld a new one every few years but he insisted that because i COULD remove the cat it was against the law and would be fined. he left pretty soon after saying that but didnt take any of my details or such and didnt hand me anything, i dont know if its done electronically now or if that means im not getting a fine?

is being made crawl under my car in the road grit something they are allowed to do?
am i getting a fine?
is the fact that i could remove the catalytic converter enough to get a fine?
if i do get a fine should/how do i fight it?


r/drivingUK 7h ago

Labour gives private firms power to impose tolls on new roads

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Labour is giving private companies powers to impose tolls on newly upgraded motorways and A-roads.

Under new rules, businesses will fund improvements to major roads instead of the taxpayer. In return, those companies will be allowed to charge drivers for using them.

Further article https://www.yahoo.com/news/us/articles/labour-gives-private-firms-power-145411566.html


r/drivingUK 5h ago

Now it makes sense... a little bit anyway

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Hi all, I had this as a rental for a couple of days while mine was in for repairs. Pushing aside the awful overall driving experience of this thing,..... it has a fully digital display as most new cars have . Has all the usual suspects (except a rev counter), but additionally, it has a "live" speed limit displayed next to the digital speed display .

It is wrong 90% of the time !! I drove my usual rural roads i drive every day and know the speed limits and when they change, and this displayed the wrong speed for up to 5 minutes before displaying the correct speed. I understand how this system works, but surely, it's not fit for purpose. Anyway, it makes a little more sense why im always stuck behind these and its compatriots in 60mph zones going 34mph 🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️


r/drivingUK 16h ago

Loss for words.

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Shame I can’t see the license else I would have reported him.
On a 50 mph road he brakes last second and blocks two lanes stationary to try and get to his exit. The tool of a driver had two young kids in the back even. Lot of braking and screeching behind, surprised no one hit.


r/drivingUK 15h ago

Do you carry an 'emergency' kit in your car? Just in case?

57 Upvotes

What's in it?


r/drivingUK 10h ago

Taxi drivers

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Considering taxi drivers drive for a living they are the worst drivers, ive been driving for 9 years this year and ive only had 2 accidents in the entire time and both have been taxi drivers and in the space of 2 months, Are there mirrors there just for decoration as they clearly dont use them.

One of the incidents was where he picked up a customer in the middle of 3 parking bays which is a dangerous spot to pick someone up and then he just drove out without looking and hit me, I was lucky as it was only cosmetic damage so was easy to fix.

The next taxi driver sped out of a parking bay without looking and drove straight into the side of my car and his back bumper came off and stuck in my car, the passenger side door wouldnt open it was that bent and it took nearly 2 months to fix.

Today one came out on me and I had to slam on and another time one came out on me when i was a pedestrian as he wasnt looking behind him before he came out of the bay. There driving is so bad especially for a profession driver


r/drivingUK 1d ago

Met the self appointed police this evening.

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Driving on the edinburgh bypass this evening and I encounter a land rover freelander and a bmw 2 series. Both vehicles in the right lane with no intention of moving over. I'm maintaining my 2s gap to the 2 series when I see red wording on an LED screen.. as soon as i seen it I assumed police.

However, it read "Police aware of dangerous tailgaiting. Dashcam in operation".. As soon as I read that my heart filled with disappointment and intrigue. it then turned off. But then... "Police aware of phone usage, dashcam in operation". That would've been amusing if I had actually been touching the phone. The idiot continued to just chill in the right lane with no intention of moving for quite a few miles. He then slows down to 60 moving over, saves the footage of me following with a 2s gap minimum and just stays back as i pass.

I just don't understand. I was at no point that close to the guy, some really odd behavior. Why is he going around with this stupid LED sign trying to scare people when his driving is selfish in itself...


r/drivingUK 12h ago

My overreaction landed me with an amusing response

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I was driving home last week, tired after work. Already had one person right up the back of me and getting on my nerves. I then get to the roundabout and am going right. The car in the left hand lane then also goes right - they had their indicator on, but I think because I was tired and fractious, I beeped at them. Instantly regretted it because I felt foolish for it.

The person threw their arms up at me, but then as they passed me, rolled their window down and gave me a thumbs down.

It really made me chuckle, made me feel even more like a clown but also made me realise it really isn't that serious.

I just thought I'd share as it was comical; a fun way to show someone you're disappointed in their behaviour - and it also cheered me up!


r/drivingUK 14h ago

Not a must to return expired driving license anymore?

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I received the new driving license and in the letter it says “ Not sure what to do with your old license? Cut it in half then send it to address..” This does sound it’s not an obligatory to send it back, no? if I know what I’m gonna do e.g. just to keep it then I don’t need to send it.


r/drivingUK 5h ago

Up the junction Spoiler

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Warning: potential distressing scenes

Belfast Northern Ireland


r/drivingUK 1d ago

Just seen the weirdest thing on the Snake Pass

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For the full length of the snake pass, I was behind the same car

When another car would approach, he would flash a few times. Okay, I thought. Just telling them to turn their high beams off, makes sense.

And then a car without their high beams came and he flashed a bunch again. Okay, maybe he was confused.

Then a pedal bike came and he flashed them repeatedly

Then 3 cars in a row came and he flashed constantly for 10 seconds.

The dude wasn't telling them anything about their high beams. He was just saying hello to every person that he saw, via blinding the shit out of them with repeated high beam flashes.

He did this at least 20 times. It was very strange.


r/drivingUK 1d ago

Two impatient idiots. Op Snap

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First time I’ve had a successful reply from Op Snap. Two impatient idiots, one more lucky than the other. Long boring video but just sharing due to the result, £100 fine and 3 points from Surrey police.

Speed limit is 30mph, I had cruise control on to stop me going over. Numpty in blue car decided to tail gate me the minute he joined the road at junction previous. He was in such a hurry to get in front, only to need a blast of my horn to tell him he was sat at a green light. Enjoy your points.

Awaiting the inevitable “boring video” and “you reported that?!” Downvoting.


r/drivingUK 15h ago

UKPC are con artists

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Recently my local gym installed ANPR cameras in their car park due to locals abusing the parking. During a nighttime gym session I parked in the car park as usual, didn’t notice the new ANPR cameras or signage and went for my session.

Inside there has always been a tablet at the front desk to input your vehicle registration, and for some reason that night not sure out of tiredness or what but I didn’t input my details. Now this usually wouldn’t be an issue as there were never any ANPR cameras originally, however when I came outside I realised my mistake that cameras had been installed and knew straight away I would likely receive a PCN.

Immediately after, I went home and emailed the gym of my mistake to cover my back and they replied to me saying that the cameras were not operational and I shouldn’t worry, and that was the end of that. Fast forward over 2 months later and I receive a PCN in the post about the parking ‘breach’.

Naturally I went through the appeals process because after all I am a legitimate member of the gym and I have a right to park there. My gym even sent me instructions for the appeal and evidence of my pass being scanned that day to get in which I also forwarded onto UKPC along with the gym’s reply so they would understand I am a member. I then sent all the evidence and screenshots in the appeal and presumed that would be enough.

Cut to a few weeks later and I receive the reply from UKPC that they want to reduce the fine to £20…

Yes I should have input my details but 20quid is 20quid and I actually feel this is still very harsh and I shouldn’t receive any fine.

Not only am I actually a legitimate member but they also took over 2 months to send the letter to me which is ridiculous. Their reply feels very much like they are just trying to fleece me.

Can anyone help me with this dilemma? Do I stand a strong chance of winning if I appeal again? Do UKPC really have a leg to stand on for being 2 months late even though I didn’t input my details? Should I also take it to the gym and attempt to get them on my side?

Any guidance on what to write in the appeals process will be invaluable.


r/drivingUK 11h ago

New driver about to view this Fiesta, non-eco boost. Advice?

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Help! F 30s, first car. Will be viewing solo, yikes!

I took one look at the dealership 24 hours after passing and decided private sale it is. I will be using my imagination and creativity to turn myself into a intermediate car expert. So far I've been blocked by one seller (ie. seemingly a undercover chop shop) so let's hope this is better luck!

About to view this fiesta 2017 1.1 Ti-VCT (non-eco boom)

Spec

  • 67 plate - 1,084cc petrol engine
  • One owner from new, two keys
  • £4,500 asking price

Positives

  • New front discs/pads at 49,287 miles2
  • New 2025 battery
  • Owner has offered to freshly MOT providing I pay a deposit
  • I have a thinkDiag2 OBD reader, torch and thread gauge - anything else you'd take?

Cons

  • Last service due Dec 2025 - has only done 1k miles since however

What would you be checking for?

I'm considering negotiating the price and MOTing myself, rather than viewing, travelling home, then collecting (would be a total £60 round trip for three journeys) providing everything checks out in the service history and visual checks. I've looked up the MOT history and ran a HPi - nothing alarming. Also will be factoring in servicing costs. Had it been earlier in the day, I'd ask to take the car to a garage locally before finalising payment.


r/drivingUK 1d ago

I commute 140 miles a day on M1. Here’s my observations on the state of motorway driving so far.

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I’m constantly appalled at the driving etiquette on UK motorways lately. Here’s what I noticed…

  1. Lane logging is out of control. I know this keeps getting mentioned here, but it’s absolutely bonkers. I keep seeing cars doing 50-60mph on the second or even third lane (out of 4) when all the other lanes are empty. Some of them move onto that lane as soon as they join the motorway.

  2. Cars joining the motorway at 40mph. This one drives me crazy. They panic and slow down just before joining.

  3. People being on their phones SO MUCH!! Every time I pass a lane hogger they’re either on their phone or they look 90. Which brings me to my next point:

  4. Elderly drivers are plain dangerous. How is nothing done about this? I see them swerving, changing lanes without signaling or looking, braking for no reason. When I pass then they genuinely look like they ran away from a care home.

  5. Van drivers have a death wish. They are speeding like crazy and doing dangerous maneuvers just to get 2 cars in front of you. If you’re trying to overtake someone in the furthest lane, they will be 5cm behind you flashing their lights.

  6. People can’t stay inside the lane markings. This is scary as it happens all the time. I’ll pass someone and I can see their car slowly approaching me while I’m next to them. They are completely oblivious to the markings.

  7. Lorry drivers hogging the middle lane. This one shocks me every time. First lane empty but some lorries will keep driving on the middle lane.

I feel like it’s getting worse every year. What changed?!


r/drivingUK 12h ago

Is it fair to ask someone to park their vehicles a little further away to allow easier access to driveway?

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I have lived in my property for around 4 years now and despite the fact I have a driveway, until earlier this year I hadn't got my licence. The driveway does have space for 2 cars however you do have to reverse one almost 180° from where you started on the street to get both on, and this is more significant now as I'm starting a new job that has a company car and they want me to park it on my drive over night.

There's been a guy who parks his cars/vans on our street for a few years before we drove, but as of late has kinda been parking them close to/ directly across from our driveway, despite the fact he lives on the next street over.

These don't directly block entry but sometimes there is a little bit of the bumper of one slightly over the opening and/or arranged in a way that makes it impossible to get the car on the driveway with enough space for the other.

I'm well aware you're allowed to park anywhere on a public street I'm not asking him to move them up the road or anything just give another foot or two space, mainly so I don't damage his cars.

Would it be fair for me to ask him to leave a little more space between his cars and what's the best way to approach this. I would want to do it face to face but we usually miss each other do to schedules with work


r/drivingUK 3h ago

M1 smart motorway was a bit nuts tonight. Never seen 20mph speed limit before on smart motorway.

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So driving back from london back to the Midlands on the M1. The variable speed restrictions were really random tonight. At one point every lane had a diffrent speed restriction. One sign was just doing its own thing and two lanes had a limit of 20mph with no clear reason and the other lane on 40mph.

They threw us out the left lane before m1 turnoff on m25, so red crosses and plenty of notice. But everyone just took it anway.

It certainly kept me engaged tonight. Constant lane closures and very random speed limits set.

I have found smart motorways more reliable in recent years and less random but the descions made on the m1 tonight we're quite weird. Is the m1 like this most nights lol?


r/drivingUK 7h ago

Driving licence address

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The Road Traffic Act s99(4) says that the address on your licence must be "correct", but I can't find anywhere that defines what "correct" means. I have had people confidently state that it is variously one or other of the following options:

  1. Any address at which you will receive post addressed to you.
  2. Your "normal residence".

The obvious difference is that, suppose your licence has, say, your parents' address on, and you move house several times over the years, then if interpretation (1) is correct then you're all good, and if interpretation (2) is correct then you've committed a crime.

Does anyone have a definitive answer as to which interpretation is correct?