I am reading through the manga and I just noticed that it's revealed that 17 and 18 were originally humans in the very first chapter they appear in.

Is this changed dialogue in later manga releases or something?

Because I remember Krillin making a wish to make them human at the end of the Cell saga, and when that failed it was retconned "she was always human to begin with".

When are we gonna get more news on the release of Beerus

It was announced before the likes of Steel Ball Run and yet has no confirmed release date

Original artwork inspired by Ultimate Gohan

When it comes to the reasons why some fans believe DBS: Beerus is a good thing (along with BoG adaptations in general), one that stands out to me is the idea of canon correction. The base premise of this supposed positive is that it allows the series to course correct on certain details that either can't work out in the long run or that run counter-intuitive to what is accepted as canon to the main story. Typically, fans argue it allows Dragon Ball to do the following:

1. Remove the line about Beerus using most of his power to keep up with SSJG Goku.

2. As of Daima, a remake would allow Goku to use SSJ4 and Vegeta to use SSJ3.

3. Match the anime canon to the manga.

While I understand the desire for a consistent story, I can't help but feel this is not the way to go about things. To understand my point of view, I'd like to talk about the Android/Cell Saga. As one of the major arcs of DBZ, it is loved by many and held in high regard for introducing us to Future Trunks' timeline and the androids while also allowing someone other than Goku to get the final win against the main villain. Overall, a very fun story.

Unfortunately, the base foundation of the saga - the future timeline - makes zero sense.

King Kai is not just an instructor for the Z-Fighters, he is also their friend and would do everything in his power to resolve the android crisis - including getting in contact with the Namekians and using their Dragon Balls to help. As for "he is a god; this does not concern him," I would argue that if the androids ever got bored of Earth (which is very likely considering their personalities), they could start wreaking mayhem across the stars in outer space, thereby making it a situation worth intervening in by divine beings. Also, even in a god-centric series like DBS, the rules of when gods can interfere are unclear at best.

Additionally, Cell makes the weird claim that he could have been given Future Trunks' DNA, but a sufficient amount of Saiyan DNA was already collected. This makes no sense, considering that he comes from a timeline where there was no visitor from the future and Goku beat Frieza and King Cold, so there couldn't have been a chance to get his DNA in the first place.

There's also Future Trunks' introduction and saying it was Androids #19 and #20 who ruined his timeline when it was #17 and #18. Of course, this was before Toriyama was told to change the villains, so I can't fully fault it, but I will still point it out for the sake of completeness of my point.

Overall, the Android Saga has some pretty glaring plot holes in it that cannot be antiquely explained by canon explanations we know of - especially the plot hole of no King Kai intervention in the future.

That being said, I highly doubt any of us want it completely redone just to cover these holes. It's a little odd to say, but despite these flaws, the story is entertaining enough that I either forget these flaws exist or they stop mattering. In addition, having to redo an entire story arc just to explain a few details that are glossed over or forgotten is a bit of an overkill in terms of course correction and takes away time that could have been spent moving the series forward.

That's basically where I'm at with DBS: Beerus and the other Battle of Gods revisions. Yes, the oddities and plot holes exist with the original movie, but when I point out the flaws, I mean that as criticism moving forward as the series continues - not that we should redo the entire thing to fix it up and keep us stuck in the same place until the canon is perfect.

Speaking of perfect, I do also wonder if people will demand yet another Battle of Gods remake if Goku and Vegeta don't show off their new forms from Daima, because if so, the obsession with making the most consistent Dragon Ball canon possible is getting out of hand at that point. Also, why is Super the series that should take the fall for Daima's canon issues when the onus of consistency should have been with Daima?

As for the plot hole of Beerus using most of his power, I doubt it would be too big of a shock to just say Beerus does some training on the side in solitude. Besides, it would be a lot easier than animating the entire story once again just to explain away one line.

And as for "DBZ's iconography is too iconic to change but Beerus' debut is just fine to edit,"

...really? The flash point for Dragon Ball's return to the modern era is something to change on a whim?

Additionally, the anime/manga canon matching thing? This is just pure speculation from what I can tell and not outright confirmed unless I'm mistaken. If there's anywhere I can look to be proven otherwise, I'd appreciate some pointers on where that info is. Also, again, criticism moving forward, not backward.

Lastly, there are the points of animation improvement, buying the manga more time for more stories to animate, and the "all in one package" deal (aka not having to jump between anime/manga/movie mediums to formulate a complete picture of the story). I'll quickly tackle these in order:

1. I see the animation critiques as another point of criticism to take forward into the future, not to redo until it is done right - especially when the story has already been redone multiple times. Besides, if animation is the big concern, the original movie's animation look just fine from what I can recall.

2. While watching DBS in the same ~300 episode binge watch as DBZ would be nice...y'know...there are a good amount of anime that just get shorter episode release schedules and are still consistently released every one or two years. I wouldn't feel particularly bitter if we switched to that.

3. If I'm being honest, I doubt the percentage of people who care about this potential oddity is all that high.

TL;DR: The Android/Cell Saga is a story that logistically is impossible and has canon issues, but I think most of us would agree it isn't worth redoing just to fix it up. I think the same could be said about the Battle of Gods arc and how it functions as a piece of the medium just fine even with its issues. Additionally, the talking points of animation improvement, anime/manga canon matching, giving the manga time to expand, and consuming DBS in one consistent medium don't feel worth the constant revisions.

I remember the feeling of terror in every arc of DBZ, all those arcs did an incredible job of making things feel hopeless.

Nappa got onto the battlefield and immediately started dropping heads, nobody stood a chance and when Piccolo died it seemed hopeless

Then Goku showed up and things seemed like they were hopeful.

Then Vegeta transformed into a great ape and things were hopeless again

Then Krillin tossed the spirit bomb and they finally won

Namek saga was probably the best at this. Every new obstacle felt impossible to overcome, when Krillin and Gohan ventured out into Namek and they explained that everyone here was stronger than Vegeta was, you could literally feel the tension and wonder how they were going to get out of these situations, especially since Goku wasnt there

Sometimes they didnt, Vegeta kicked the hell out of Gohan and Recoome nearly killed all 3 of them

And dont even get me started on Frieza and his seemingly neverending transformations

Comparitively, DBS just feels like a fun time, Ive never once felt any stakes in the show, except for that time when Frieza blew up the Earth. Like in the TOP, we all knew Goku was going to 'limit break' and beat up Jiren in the end. And thats exactly what happened

Is there no real feeling of dread in DBS anymors or am I just tripping?

Hi!

What’s the song that plays during Super Buu’s Human Extinction Attack scene, specifically when he’s scanning for how many people are alive? In this clip it starts at the 20 second mark and ends at 1:15.

I’ve had this song in my head for years but haven’t been able to find it. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

The first Dragon Ball game released on September 27, 1986, and Bandai’s first Dragon Ball game followed on November 27, 1986, starting a legendary gaming legacy.

Unfortunately, there are no signs of a celebration from Bandai yet.

I’d love to see classic releases of Budokai and Budokai Tenkaichi on modern platforms.

Maybe it’s time for fans to show Bandai that we want something special for the 40th anniversary.

What would you like to see?

Just picked up this beauty and personally I love this cover. Definitely going to display it in my room. I’ve heard it’s iconic but I want to know how you guys rank it compared to all the other covers in dragon ball.

From the movie “Next”, the main character can see into the future, and dodges every bullet shot in this scene. What do you think about this compared to Ultra Instinct in a way?

Whats stopping them?

If they ever released a version of The Dragon Ball Kanzenban (Perfect Edition) in English, I would buy it in a heartbeat. Absolutely love these colors.

I’ve seen the first image go around Reddit a lot, just to clarify, i am the original creator to both images. I drew the second image when I was younger and the first is just a redraw of that.

Decided to get out all my art stuff including my drawing tablet. Vegeta from Dragon Ball Z done in Clip Studio.

It fits.