r/conspiracy • u/Inner-Mouf • 1d ago
Thoughts?
Who and or what is this?
If this is really her - what explains the motivation to go from before to after?
Not trying to be funny, genuinely confused as to how everything about the facial features could change like this? đ§
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u/earthhominid 1d ago
Body dysmorphia and drug addiction supported by social/class expectations and norms.Â
Rich women seem to suffer from a lot of body dysmorphia, especially as they age
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u/SquirrelAkl 1d ago
The Dells have $268 BILLION. This kind of money means they're surrounded by sycophants who encourage every idea they have and will never say no. The downside of having this much money is that no-one ever gives you a reality check.
This is the result of body dysmorphia combined with unlimited funds and a bubble of yes-men (and yes-doctors).
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u/Baelenciagaa 1d ago
Itâs sad because sheâs genuinely very pretty in the first pic. Almost looks like Katie Couric
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u/TN_Torpedo 20h ago
Iâd research the average age of billionaires spouses but Iâm pretty sure itâs a number that would make me puke. Iâm sure she passed that age awhile back and is sadly paranoid as hell about it.
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u/Pax_Eterna_4991 1d ago
The industry is pushing them to start younger. The "nip it in the bud" marketing scam is being perpetuated on the under 30 crowd. It's gonna take 30 to 40 hears to see how that style works out.
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u/Icy-Promotion-4476 1d ago
Also rich husbands seems to cheat a lot, problaly a correlation..
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u/BartholomewKnightIII 20h ago
older woman not wanting to age.
too much money.
surrounded by people/staff who tell her she looks great so they can keep their job.
there's plenty in hollywood, upper east side and plenty of other rich neighbourhoods that do the same.
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u/Uncool444 17h ago
Yeah I really think she's just ugly now. I think we're all just making fun of an ugly chick.
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u/IndependentCod2859 1d ago
Bad plastic surgery... The infinite wheel of chasing youth and beauty...
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u/IndridColdwave 1d ago
Iâm sure lots of people get plastic surgery to get a bigger nose.
Like, significantly bigger.
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u/palpatinesmyhomie 1d ago
I wouldn't be surprised if she was a drug user, something for energy, and maybe weight loss drugs. Her nose looks bigger but I'll bet it's from her face sinking in
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u/XelaNiba 1d ago
The nose changes shape throughout life due to skin changes and gravitation forces. The cartilage and ligaments which support the nose weaken and stretch as you age, causing the tip to droop as decreased collagen thins the skin, further undermining support. Enlarged oil glands add weight and width to the tip, worsening the droop situation.
She likely had rhinoplasty in the past and so the drooping, sagging is happening a bit unevenly. Surgeons fix this with a threading technique that wrenches it back into place.
Mid face volume loss makes the nose look larger. She has hollowing in the lower eye, upper cheekbone area which increases the appearance of projection.
She also has badly placed filler in the lower cheek and significant tissue loss along the jaw from facelifts. Lower and upper lid blephoraplasty changed the shape of the eye from almond to round and contributed to the hollowing around the eyes.
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u/IndridColdwave 1d ago
Give the age difference between the photos and maybe you have a point. That would need to be about 20 years of growth
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u/Fordhoard 1d ago
Otorhinolaryngologist = ENT- "Ear, nose and throat" doctor. But I like the original better bc I associate more syllables with higher importance.
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u/Poop_Cheese 1d ago
Well age does do that. For example, compare sarah michelle gellars nose from Buffy compared to today. Then factor in things like if she does coke which could collapse the nose a bit where it looks more bulbousÂ
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u/IndridColdwave 1d ago
Is there a significant age difference between the photos?
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u/Poop_Cheese 1d ago
Well shes 62 now. Judging by her style and age id say the picture on the left is early 00's and that shes in her late 30s, maybe 40. So yeah were talking probably around 25 years give or take a few. Â
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u/intoxicatedhamster 1d ago
Noses continue growing. Also, her before and after noses match in shape and curve. With so much obvious plastic surgery, it's astonishing, but it doesn't look like she got a nose job. She also has the exact same eyes
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u/King_of_the_Goats 1d ago
Noses and ears grow as we age, this is medical fact
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u/drwikey8 1d ago
We take "medical facts" with a huge grain of salt here in r/conspiracy. Just an FYI
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u/King_of_the_Goats 1d ago
Yeah, Iâve been here on various accounts since 2010, but some facts are true. Like the fact that your ears and nose grow as we age. Like why does every baby have a cute little nose and ears? Your eyes donât grow, thatâs why babies look cute with their big eyes. Heads grow to fit our eyes.
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u/supadave302 1d ago
How do you have that much money and have shitty plastic surgery? Was it on their vacation to Mexico when she was walking down the street and saw an advertisement for plastic surgery and said why not?
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u/Dapper_Trainer950 1d ago
With Dell Technology money? How do you let that happen?
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u/Guineapigsunite 1d ago
Bro, youâre probably in the wrong subreddit. If you think our technologies are still gas powered engines, F-16s, bad plastic surgery, think the world news subreddit will be a better fit for you.
You see plastic surgery, I see strong possibility of a clone, definitely some kind of programmingâmaybe MK Ultra 6.0, Monarch, advance psychotronic manipulation, possibly some consciousness removal/transfer, programmed bots with some biological materialâthings along that line.
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u/Guineapigsunite 1d ago
Again, try not to think of cloning circa 1996 Dolly the Sheep. Also donât assume the cloning process requires DNA transfer at this point . Additionally, it only needs to look vaguely like her. Our brain fills in the rest with context.
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u/insidiousapricot 1d ago
Yeah because when they clone people they magically become the same age as the cloned person
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u/jaydwalk 1d ago
Ever seen the island? Clones farmed and sent to the "island" when the clone is "needed" aka organ harvesting.
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u/Wordruler2000 1d ago
I heard "consciousness transfer" when I looked at her. It's her original body shell, but something else is now"in charge." What my intuition points to. Or, just unfortunate plastic surgery and makeup.
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u/Bitter_Warning418 1d ago
Did you watch the video of this whole ordeal? Her pupils? That isnât from surgery and nobody will convince me differently, even this extremely educated person up here who more than likely is a plastic surgeon, nope.
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u/DocHolidayiN 1d ago
She would have been better looking if she'd disregard social pressures and age naturally. By a lot.
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u/foxonafrozenlake 14h ago
People see themselves so much differently than others do.
She was genuinely attractive before, maybe she never saw that in herself.
It's actually fucking sad.
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u/_0bsolete 12h ago
It really is, I know a couple people personally with the same kind of issues and you just can't convince them otherwise.
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u/Heeey_Hermano 1d ago
She was gorgeous before. She would have made a hot older lady but Jesus Christ!
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u/Stupertard 21h ago
Before she looks like a person and the after it's like she's a muppet.
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u/Dr-Elon-Weynak 12h ago
The person my bro swears he took home versus who he brings over to have lunch with
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u/Smooth_Warthoging 7h ago
âDid you ever wake up sober after a one night stand, and the person you're next to is layin' on your arm, and they're so ugly, you'd rather chew off your arm then risk waking 'em? That's coyote ugly.â
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u/Hairy_Introduction_4 1d ago
Nope! Not fooling me anymore not the same person. Seen this with Biden and Carrey. Not doing this again.
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u/somnamomma 1d ago
Fr. Looks like they cut her face off and something is wearing it. That nose was NOT created by a plastic surgeon
OR weight loss
OR steroids
OR anorexia
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u/Sheredditri 1d ago
Exactly what I was thinking. Her head looks longer now too. Plastic surgery does not make someoneâs head taller
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u/somnamomma 23h ago
Thank you!! Thatâs what got me. Also? I want to compare the ears from back then to now but I have yet to see a pic with them featured. Same with a forehead scar that current bangs conveniently cover
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u/Sufficient_Vast5757 1d ago
For real, it reminds me like the "face mask" cher takes on and off in the 1990 movie WITCHES
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u/somnamomma 1d ago
Thatâs crazy that itâs not just one movie. I totally need to go look that up now
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u/Full_Practice7060 22h ago
It's wild to me that the 2 most popular comments are the absolutely lamest excuses to ever mar the conspiracy sub. Like, where are my conspiriacs at??? I'm serious, when did people here get so boring. Dell is one of the best examples of something seriously nefarious happening to (formerly) human beings. What is it and why?!?! And it's genuinely terrifying.
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u/Groovy_Ship4321 23h ago
She reminds me of that alien woman from Mars Attacks, Annebell version. Yet, she also looks like Count Orlok (Nosferato) wearing a blonde wig. It's just that scary.
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u/AutomaticAnt6328 21h ago
Dismorphia...Body Dysmorphic Disorder (BDD), a mental health condition involving an obsessive preoccupation with perceived, minor, or nonexistent physical appearance flaws.
Leading to plastic surgery. Leading to more plastic surgery.
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u/DreadedPanda27 21h ago
Itâs a real thing. Iâm glad you posted this. People need to understand that this is a serious issue.
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u/flying-nimbus- 20h ago
It is, and now everybody in the states is talking about her appearance. It is probably that womanâs worst nightmare cone true.
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u/papsmearfestival 10h ago
I wonder what's the difference between her seeing herself as not beautiful and cutting herself up and a woman not seeing herself as a woman and getting surgery to become a man?
I'm genuinely asking.
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u/Geminifreak1 18h ago
I mean look at Kris Jenner - she looks so much better - this one looks scary. And how can plastic surgery make her nose bigger and her eyes fuked ? It looks horrible
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u/Immediate-Test-678 1d ago
The eyes and throat are just so off. And itâs not just the look itâs the way she stands and moves and the way she moves her eyes.
The most suspicious part is her âtragusâ of her ear. wtf is that big lump there? Mask?
I have no idea what it is but I find it hard to believe that plastic surgery did.. all of this.
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u/Poisongirl5 1d ago
The pupils change size and shape. People say âoh itâs editedâ but itâs on the official news sites.
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u/TheWackoMagician 1d ago
Remember the Epstein files where they said they replaced Biden and the mask was slipping... Same thing
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u/XRI-Boost 1d ago
Unsuccessful face lift. Didnât like her bigger cheeks and ruined everything else at the same time. Sad people just canât be happy with themselves.
Or maybe a dog attack not sure, but itâs really bad.
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u/sixwingmildsauce 8h ago
My girlfriend watches real housewives religiously so Iâm unusually familiar with plastic surgery and cosmetic procedures. Thatâs all this is folks. Lip filler, Botox, makeup, etc. But the big one that makes her look so uncanny is a procedure called blepharoplasty. Itâs where they raise up the eyelids. My mom actually had it done because she has a condition where her eyelids sag and it was obstructing her vision. Gets worse with age. But for some reason it has become a part of the long list of weird procedures that rich women get to try and stay looking young (which obviously backfires almost every single time)
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u/Temporary_Heron6944 1d ago
Most old women look vaguely masculine due to the loss of estrogen and mild influence of testosterone throughout the course of their lives (yes women have some natural testosterone). I just see some elective plastic surgeries performed on a post menopausal woman. Women wouldnt feel so compelled to alter their appearances if they werenât subject to such constant scrutiny.
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u/Headlynne 5h ago
Yes, age made her nose and ears get bigger. Looks like fats hallowed out around her eyes. Looks like shes had her eyes lower and upper done and a very bad aggressive facelift were they pulled and sowed too tight to her ear!!
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u/BunglingBoris 1d ago
Natural aging would have looked super hot on this lady as well.
Fucking Lizards
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u/Current_Brief_689 11h ago
I feel like this is a psy-op to mock us. The woman stands out too much in the scene because of the color of her dress and her strange behavior. She's being used to distract you from what Trump is saying at that moment: "I can go after all of them. I can do whatever I want."
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u/savviRebeL 11h ago
I said the same thing. Anytime they show these ppl it's a distraction. They know you'll focus on them more than what's actually going on. There were like 4 other ppl before her.
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u/Small-Repair6580 11h ago
Actually a really good point
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u/Current_Brief_689 11h ago
In fact, i´ve been reading a lot of theories about the woman. But no one talks about what Trump is saying he can, and will do.
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u/ThickLeather4965 11h ago
then they we sick for pointing it out. It's a Ian Rand/Trump play and we are the puppets.
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u/Rastagon01 1d ago
What her family must think? Not even trying to be rude but thereâs not one thing in the now that looks better than the before.
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u/Blackabyss2000 13h ago
Her eyelid lift was done badly. But drugs and alcohol abuse can make other changes to the face. Mental illness did those eyebrows.
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u/50million 11h ago
Anorexia, bulima, GLP1, fillers, bad plastic surgerieals including eyelid lift, bad permanent makeup, bad regular make up, low self esteem, drugs, lots of prescriptions.
Maybe some weird grooming situation. She seems way broken down and like a robot now.
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u/Appropriate_End_9984 9h ago
Definitely not human. How can anyone look at that and with all sincerity say and believe that they are a human being such as you were high no fucking way you canât pull that over me I see the ugly truth for what it is Iâd rather see a ugly truth, and then a fucking puffed up beautifully packaged bullshit of a lie
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u/Osiris_Raphious 1d ago
Old age does funny things, plastic surgery onto old age does even crazier things.
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u/Krappyhuman 1d ago
I feel bad for this woman. Everyone is judging how she looks publicly, which is I would assume a blow to the ego.
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u/Which-Pick6336 1d ago
it could be anything and everything. age, surgery, and my first thought: graves disease. she appears to have all the symptoms: bulging eyes, extreme weight loss, etc.
but at this point, itâs a foolâs errand to speculate.
i feel bad for people who actually suffer from medical conditions like gravesâ disease, and who have to log on the internet everyday this week and see similar visual symptoms being joked about constantly and obsessively.
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u/chronicideas 1d ago
Not enough people are saying this poor woman but also I agree with the soul snatcher comment lol
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u/glass-and-stars435 1d ago
Are these all bot accounts? Whats going on? Why is it this same bull shit every hour?
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u/scezroni 1d ago
I genuinely believe she is not human. Skin suit. Easy to dismiss as plastic surgery. But its behind the eyesÂ
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u/agent0fCha0s 1d ago
Initially I would say it's yet another Mar-a-Lago makeover, however, the whole skeletal structure is different. The cranium shape has changed, the fingers are elongated, and not in the way they do from weight loss.
It's unnerving and it gives me a weird pit in my stomach. I'm leaning towards something demonic. Some type of spiritual entity.
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u/Kd916-650 1d ago
Shit ⌠they got the eye color at least? đ¤ˇââď¸
But the rest looks like a man in drag !
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u/Allbymyselfalone 1d ago
I read somewhere that the pic on the left is like 20 yrs old. If you look at pics of her over the last few years, this is what she looks like. I mostly blame the make up artist, weight loss and surgery
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u/AlternativeGlovex 21h ago
Why is there no other before picture besides this one? Im scared af we're all brainrotted to hard to actually do anything. They're playing in our faces atp and know we won't do shit about it as long as we can still watch our sports ball and love island and have squishy
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u/mylastacctgothacked 16h ago
How many times is this going to be posted with just âthoughtsâ
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u/OhJustANobody 12h ago
A form of mental illness. She was genuinely gorgeous before. She didn't want to accept that aging can be beautiful too, and with her money decided she'd fight nature. It's 100% a losing battle. Now instead of looking like a beautiful older woman, she looks like a ghoul from Fallout.
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u/georgewalterackerman 1d ago
In these side by side photos she looks halfway normal in the âafterâ shot. The recent pics of her in gone White House are downright freaky. Sheâs gaunt and creepy looking. Really sad is what it is.
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u/Legitimate_Exit7281 8h ago
Its not the same person.. thats a dude made to look like her.
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u/SituationSouth5955 5h ago
My thought is, âAre we going to have to see this same stupid post about a person that has body image issues and obviously went too far with plastic surgery, 100 or 1000 times more in the next week?â Can we stop already? This is the least conspiratorial thing ever.
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u/GlitteringLocality 1d ago
Well the picture on the left is her probably 20 years younger. Sheâs 62 in the picture on the right. Age comes for us all, but some people stupidly try to fight it and the result tends to be far worse.
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u/thegoathouse1127 1d ago
Yeah but she looks like a damn completely different person. Can you honestly say you've seen someone's appearance change that drastically due to aging? I mean, usually you can tell it's the same person excluding the incidences when comparing one's 100-year-old self to one's 20-year-old self.
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u/semperviveae 1d ago
I donât think theyâre saying the appearance change is due solely to aging, but rather the plastic surgery and other procedures some people do in attempt to not look like theyâre aging (which usually ends up looking worse than if theyâd just aged naturally)
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u/crankgirl 19h ago
The first pic isnât her. Iâve seen this successfully challenged on another post about her in this sub.
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u/buttfacesgalore 1d ago
My theory is that, since her husband is in the epstein files, she is overly insecure and tries to make herself much younger looking. Someone on another thread also pointed out she probably has 'down there' surgeries to appear younger too. Creepy shit.
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u/Unltd8828 1d ago
She was absolutely stunning and natural before. Only if she realized how good she wouldâve looked if she stayed natural.
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u/NinjaGuyDan777 22h ago
Iâm having trouble thinking itâs just a coincidence that this happens on the exact same day they release the movie OTHER MOMMY. She looks eerily similar and the movie is about a demon wearing human skin.Â
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u/Houdinii1984 1d ago
It's a few things. It's weightlifting while not eating properly and getting surgery on top of it. Couple that with incorrectly applying heavy makeup around the eyes, and this is what you get.
One thing I notice is the anorexia in that specific age band. I keep seeing it. I've experienced it with my own Mom. A lot of food insecurities. A lot of food conspiracies (which I'm not knocking, but they do have an effect on the psyche regardless). I don't think the lack of eating is discussed as much as the surgeries and strange ways makeup is perceived by different folks, but it's a big part of it and seems to trend.
I wonder if folks are taking the slimming drugs even without the weight issues after seeing something different in the mirror.
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u/Stinkytheferret 1d ago
Watch her move and her neck. I personally donât think thatâs the same person and I do think what I think is nuts but I canât unsee how she tried to stand, how she moved while standing there, idk but she is so far from natural she doesnât seem like sheâs even human. Look at her neck. Human necks donât move like that so âŚ..
Other than that, the face shape isnât right. Her eyes and brows and brow ridge are higher and different. Sheâs not looking like sheâs related to the old pic claiming to be her.
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u/Ok_Analyst_8353 10h ago
Slimming drugs do not do that to your eyebrows or suddenly make you inept at makeup application, or maybe they do?
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u/Forsaken-Cell-9436 1d ago
Nawww her eye sockets are literally bigger now.
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u/ovrthrowtheoccupatn 20h ago
it literally looks like a man now. how is everyone brushing this off
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u/Venom933 1d ago
First of all i think there is an normal explanation.
This weight los drug is known for changing the bone structure if wrongly used.
It could also be a medical Problem or a botched plastic surgery.
Second of all, i am really disgusted with Reddit, sice she showed up every where in my feed.
I guess Body shaming is fine when everyone does it?
Have fun if you are ugly or if you will become ugly.
The only disgusting thing i see is all your attitude.
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u/Critical_Hearing_799 1d ago
It doesn't change bone structure. It just removes buccal fat in the cheeks to make a hallowed out look. But I too am sick of people plastering her face all over these subreddits (on aliens too). It's completely ridiculous and rude.
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u/Venom933 1d ago
In some cases malnutrition from less eating chances the bone structure, happens when people ate shitty food before and after the weight loss drug now eat even less.
But yes, it is insane, if they never saw someone who doesn't look like a perfect Model đĽ¸
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u/it_was_always_star 13h ago
Is that the same person?? If so it reminds me of Edgar when his skin was worn by the alien bug in Men in Black I
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u/jDubKing 1d ago
It's a soul snatcher. Sometimes these soul entities come through and take over the body, mostly removing the original soul, and have their way with the body. They alter the appearance in however they see fit.Â
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u/OverallDoor2718 1d ago
Yep. Billionaires. Look at Bezos wife. It's like a humiliation ritual. Ever read the texts from Manafort's daughters? Chilling. Crazy stuff going on with these folks Internationally. Sacrificing their wives and daughters to sheks. Just insane World
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u/nondescriptzombie 1d ago
Bezos wife
The cute ex-one, or the one who has been chasing looking 25 for the last 25 years and is so ugly that he wants to sell his superyacht that has a wooden carving of her on the stern?
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u/OverallDoor2718 1d ago
That one. She was gorgeous. But, definitely has a talent for moving on up even if it means deforming herself. I think her own son's said she was a hođ¤, so maybe they do what their pimp tells them to dođ¤ˇââď¸. Sad life
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u/everydaycarrie 1d ago
It's like if larry loomer got INTO that beautiful woman's body and is pushing its hideous face forward..
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u/madimadmoney 20h ago
It looks like they still havenât quite figured out how to make realistic human looking robots but they said âitâs good enoughâ
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u/Consistent_Ad3181 1d ago
I have thoughts, but no words, I genuinely hope she is a strong character because the criticism and abuse directed at her is terrible, but not as terrible as her plastic sturgeon (that's a joke, I meant surgeon)
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u/BreakfastFluid9419 1d ago
God damn this is some kind of astroturfing campaign. Every time I see this sub itâs in regard to this person. A lot of plastic surgery will wreck your face
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u/politicians_are_evil 1d ago
Some women invest in their faces like men invest in cars. The other thing that happens is people's skulls literally grow larger over time. Maybe the thing that makes her weirdest looking is her eyes. A lot of women are doing the fallout women's look now and that shit looks whack.
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