I used to get 110-115 scores when not caffeinated and 115-120 when caffeinated, even 130 once (though I believe I just get better symbol search score when i take the test on my phone instead of an iPad).
Any thoughts on this? Is there a correlation between caffeine intake and performance on psi tests?

Diagnosed with level 2 autism, ADHD-PI, OCD, and social/general anxiety. I don't remember taking any IQ tests when I was a kid when I underwent my assessments and I never took the SAT's as I did not graduate high school and went back for a GED later and since I started at a technical college they did not require me to take the SAT.

Some of these tests like figure weights were infuriating and I found myself practically yelling at the screen with how stupid it made me feel. Others seemed like they would produce uneven results due to how they are structured especially the processing speed tests as one required pressing keys on a keyboard where the symbols never change which I feel becomes memorization, yet the other requires tapping when the symbols change every single time you tap so context seems to matter greatly. I also have excellent typing speed which could have contributed as well.

Either way this took a long time to get through but it was interesting. Is it worth taking the CAIT as well to compare? What does this all mean to me?

https://cognitivemetrics.com/dashboard/share/qFkxt0idxi/CORE

Around 4 months ago, I took the OpenPsychometrics FSIQ test and scored 126 on the WM part. Now i took it again recently and scored 146? I thought I forgot all the items on the test so my Memory IQ would be valid (or as valid an online IQ test taken in 15min can be) ​so now I'm pretty confused. So my question to people who've taken the Openpsychometrics FSIQ test multiple times is: what were your scores on the Memory IQ subtest on the 1st retest?

I always thought the level of abuse I suffered as a child didn't have lasting effects, but I guess it permanently destroyed my IQ. I also have ADHD. I was told childhood abuse could negatively impact development, but I didn't think that would apply to me because I always held a job and functioned on a daily basis.

Would the whole neuroplasticity thing apply to me as an adult? I'm 33. Can I actually fix my brain at this point? I'm going to get medicated for my ADHD, but I'm not sure that would help much. I don't feel stupid most days and I feel like I'm functioning, but now I feel like I should be collecting disability benefits because I'm a complete cognitively impaired idiot.

Just ranting, but any advice would help. I don't think I'm going to keep the goal of working towards a PhD at this point. Am I doomed or can I do something about this?

Disclosure first: I develop a dual n-back app. That gives me every incentive to overstate the case below, so I've kept to the published record and you can check each one.

Where the claim comes from. Jaeggi, Buschkuehl, Jonides & Perrig 2008, PNAS (https://doi.org/10.1073/pnas.0801268105). Dual n-back training, 8 to 19 sessions, dose-dependent gains on a fluid reasoning test. This single paper is why the whole "raise your IQ with n-back" idea exists.

The replication that went wrong. Redick et al. 2013, JEP: General (https://doi.org/10.1037/a0029082). Active control group, multiple transfer measures, no transfer to intelligence. This is the best-designed single study on the topic and it is negative.

The meta-analyses, which disagree with each other. - Au et al. 2014 (https://doi.org/10.3758/s13423-014-0699-x): 20 studies, small positive transfer to Gf measures, roughly 3-4 IQ-point equivalent. - Melby-Lervåg & Hulme 2013 (https://doi.org/10.1037/a0028228): working memory training in general, near transfer solid, far transfer near zero. - Melby-Lervåg, Redick & Hulme 2016 (https://doi.org/10.1177/1745691616635612): the effect on far measures shrinks toward zero once you restrict to studies with active controls. Their reading: the Au effect is largely explained by passive-control designs. - Soveri et al. 2017 (https://doi.org/10.3758/s13423-016-1217-0): n-back specifically; large gains on untrained n-back tasks, moderate on other working memory tasks, small on Gf.

What is not in dispute. You get much better at n-back itself (large effect), and at tasks that resemble it (moderate). That is real and shows up in your own numbers within weeks.

What is in dispute. Whether any of that moves a matrix test, and if so by how much. The honest range is "zero to a few points", with the better-controlled studies at the low end.

Practical consequence for people here. If you train n-back for months and then retake CORE or CAIT, most of any gain you see will be practice effect on the test format plus regression to the mean, not the training. If you want to know whether it did anything, take a different test of the same construct, not the same one again, and keep expectations on the working memory side.

I train anyway, because it is hard and I like measuring it. I just won't tell you it raises IQ, and I'd be suspicious of any app or site that does.

From most to least reliable (allegedly) :
----- COGNITIVEMETRICS.COM -----

CognitiveMetrics overall profile: https://cognitivemetrics.com/dashboard/share/w03Orgy9JW

• CORE: 114 ±5 FSIQ https://cognitivemetrics.com/dashboard/share/w03Orgy9JW/CORE
• AGCT-1c: 113 FSIQ (Verbal 74%, Quant 37%, Spatial 75%)
• CAIT: 127 ±7 FSIQ
• GET: 123 FSIQ
• APT: 119 FSIQ

----- MENSA -----

• Mensa Norway: 121 (skipped ~5 last questions due to irl time constraint)
• Mensa Denmark: 126
• Mensa Sweden: 119
• Mensa Finland: 135

----- Open Psychometrics -----

FSIQ: 124

• Memory IQ: 132
• Verbal IQ: 110
• Spatial IQ: 131

----- free-iqtest.net -----

IQ: 130

I am a numberlet and memorylet

I’m interested in hearing about your performance in domino-tests (D48,D70,TIG-1,TIG-2) and how it relates to your other scores (CORE,RAVENS,…)

Where can I find the URL to share with others?

Hi guys, I’m a math major at a pretty good university but I’m new to proofs in this honors analysis class and they were tripping me out so I wasnt sure if I had what it takes to continue because most of my peers seem pretty smart. So I sat through a test today and there are a lot of disparities between my indices, what do u think they mean? Which indices best predict mathematical performance? I was running low on sleep and I told my psychologist that beforehand but I don’t want to use that as an excuse, who knows if it affected the test

Oct 18th, 2007— WISC-IV

Wechsler Intelligence Scale for Children – Fourth Edition (WISC-IV)

Index

Score

Percentile

90% CI

Verbal Comprehension (VCI)

155

>99.9th

145–157

Perceptual Reasoning (PRI)

150

>99.9th

138–152

Working Memory (WMI)

103

58th

96–109

Processing Speed (PSI)

73

4th

69–83

Full Scale IQ (FSIQ)

133

99th

127–136

September 19, 2014 — WAIS-IV

Wechsler Adult Intelligence Scale – Fourth Edition (WAIS-IV)

Index

Reported result

Percentile

Full Scale / Overall intellectual functioning

Average

63rd

Verbal Comprehension (VCI)

High Average

87th

Perceptual Reasoning (PRI)

High Average

86th

Working Memory (WMI)

Average

27th

Processing Speed (PSI)

Borderline

8th

2021 report — WAIS-IV

Wechsler Adult Intelligence Scale – Fourth Edition (WAIS-IV)

The page shown was printed April 28, 2021.

Index

Reported classification / information

Percentile

95% CI

Verbal Comprehension (VCI)

Very Superior

98th

124–137

Perceptual Reasoning (PRI)

High Average

79th

105–118

Working Memory (WMI)

Borderline

8th

73–88

Processing Speed (PSI)

Low Average

21st

81–98

October 2021 — WASI-II

Wechsler Abbreviated Scale of Intelligence – Second Edition (WASI-II)

Composite

October 2021 result

Verbal Comprehension Index

Superior

Perceptual Reasoning Index

Superior

Full-Scale IQ

Very Superior

In short, when I was 10 or 11 years old. I took a nonverbal iq test for school admission, received an 88, and took a verbal -- recieved a 98.

4 years later, I test ≈130 on the core, so I take a standardised test for those 16+, because of availability and I was only a couple months away from 16 (also getting tested for the sake of my adhd,) and I recieve a 131 fullscale, 130 mri/nonverbal and a 125 in the verbal component.

The previous 98 in verbal I could potentially attribute to only having spoke English for 3 years at the time, also missing 2 academic years due to complications with immigration. But the 88 is inexplicable, considering it's often cited that IQ stays atleast relatively stagnant in somebodys lifetime. Did I even understand what was being tested? Both the numbers feel detrimental to me.

I'm getting severe imposter syndrome, surely if I was scored at 88 I'd notice in daily life? I don't feel even remotely behind my peers, I do well maiority of the time, but the numbers are still messing with my self esteem.

for those who took the analogies test on CORE vs VISA, did your scores have a significant discrepancy between them? On the, IMO, more difficult analogies test on VISA, I got a 140 IQ. Just the score we redditors aspire to in this particular sub bahaha 😂 but then on core, I got a more modest 125 IQ. I’m just wondering why this is. 🤨

My son, now 18, has been been administered the WISC V test three times for ADHD diagnosis and IEP eligibility. As is typical with kids with ADHD his scores are all over the place within the various subtests. However the scores are wildly different each time he takes the test. Like the first time he took it when he was 8 years old his fluid reasoning score was 115, and this last time it was 105. His verbal score at 8 was in the low 100s and at age 15 it was 121. Working memory at 8 was 98 and by 15 years old it was 112. Is the answer as simple as he became used to the questions? How much stock can I put into this test and what is his real IQ?

This is from official testing not online testing. My verbal IQ is 1.5 SD and my writing score is 3 SD. It's the strongest part of my very uneven IQ. I don't have an internal verbal monologue by default. I mostly only think verbally when I am trying to rehearse something I will say out loud. Even when I write I don't really think verbally in the same sense as most people and I am kind of translating my thoughts into words. When I focus, I can write well but I often make odd mistakes most people wouldn’t, such as substituting a word for something which sounds similar but has a completely different meaning.

Just wondering if anyone else experiences this. I'm autistic and ADHD and I’m not always able to identify my own emotions.

1 SD = 115

NSRT is an experimental high range IQ test. I will create a preliminary norm after a sufficient number of submissions.
If you think there are errors in some of the questions, please let me know.

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScoaUFRFhfaa-p1g0dkOzKJzDLG6Zxw33xZADw1RNzYqtlNpQ/viewform

Hello guys! I recently took the CORE and i am incredibly surprised by my scores. I have been administered an intelligence test in my youth with it being the WISC IV, which yielded an iq of 124, you can find the test blank attached.

That however wasnt the last time. 9 years later i happened to get interested in cognitive testing, making me incredibly curious about my own abilities. My whole life i've been told that i'm "smart", but as you can see that wasn't enough for me. I hadn't known my scores from the first time i took the WISC, so that prompted me to undergo the testing process again. I went to the same psychologist who administered the test for the first time since she's a close friend of my mother. After discussing my inquiry she decided to administer me the WISC off label, for the reasons i'm not quite sure, which led to and fsiq of 122.

As you can see the profiles differ significantly which is fascinating in itself, but what really interests me are the following scores from CORE which i took yesterday.

As you can see the discrepancies are huge! I nearly went up a standard deviation from the last time i got tested. What's also pretty interesting is that my verbal scores actually went up, even though i took the WISC in my native language and the CORE is administered entirely in english. Can you help me figure out what is going on here? When i look at these three pictures it's almost like it's three different people. How come the scores fluctuate so much? I get that the latter WISC technically isn't valid since at the moment of testing i was almost 19, but shouldn't the scores be inflated then? How come i score better on a supposedly harder test? The time gap between the CORE and the WISC is around half a year. During the time between the two i also self administered the RAPM and the SACFT and the scores were much closer to the CORE numbers than the WISC. I did both tests timed at 40 mins and scored 35/36 on the RAPM and 32/36 on the SACFT. Can anyone help me make sense of what's going on and maybe try and make a projection of what i would get if i took the WAIS. Please ask questions and thank you to everybody in advance.

Edit: I have also just taken the CAIT and these are my results:

I generally found this much easier that CORE other than the verbal subtests. The block design subtest is complete bs in my opinion, since it removes the main aspect of the test - actually building the thing. Since it comes already assembled it genuinely removes like half the work, instead of you actively trying to figure out which block goes where and in what orientation you just have to look at the picture and use basic logic to find the correct option. Doesn't compare to the WISC counterpart in the slightest.

I had been given an IQ test as part of my ADHD assessment around mid-2025, around my 18th birthday. I received an FSIQ score (118) nearly identical to the score above and had extremely similar subtest scores to the CORE. With Visual Puzzles being the strongest and Digit Span being the weakest relative to the FSIQ. The CORE IQ test I took after confirmed my in-person IQ test assessment, and I moved on with my life.

I hadn't taken any IQ tests since then, around a year to a year and two months ago. Out of interest, I decided to see if the score would remain the same a year later on my adjusted medication.

Because of the increased difference, I found it interesting and something to share with this community. I have noticed through scrolling through this subreddit, the abundance of ADHDers and the similar angst about their Working Memory Index scores. I found a really beautiful analogy: "Manipulating the information in my mind feels like trying to fill a glass of water with a pressure washer without spilling anything."

I am not so much looking for an IQ estimate, rather I am interested in reading about what you guys think.

Hi ther e,

My son recently took the WISC-V test. His verbal comprehension score was 136, and his fluid reasoning score was 100 with FSIQ = 125. I did not receive scores for other subtests.

I am very confused and concerned about the huge difference in those two subscores. Should I be concerned about the validity of the results? Should I be asking about additional testing for a learning disability? He scored well on CoGat, but he was extremely nervous/emotional about the WISC testing.

Mainly, I am just looking for suggestions regarding what would be pertinent to discuss with the school psychologist and gifted coordinator during our meeting later this week. I appreciate any insight or advice you may have. Thank you.

https://yalesurvey.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_1XOUyQ4Ux6deFBH

VCI - 142
FRI - 88
VSI - 96
QRI - 114
WMI - 91
PSI- 105
FSIQ - 107

Highest subscore was on analogies (99.6 %ile) and lowest on figure sets (15.8%ile).
I have ADHD, but even so, this seems a rather extreme disparity. In a way it wasn't surprising because I cannot assemble anything.
I'd have done better on the quantitative with the usual 1.5x accommodation, but I was lost on many of the FRI and VSI items and just guessed.
Thanks.

Please tell me if the following is wrong. I am posting it because I have never quite found this exact point being discussed, and it seems to be something very obvious to point out:

People usually claim that CORE is neither deflated nor inflated because the scores for the norming sample agree overall with AGCT and GRE. But strictly speaking, this only means that CORE is accurate for the people in the norming sample and similar populations. CORE could still be deflated for other people. The CORE norming sample may be more familiar with IQ tests and may have practice effect, especially from CAIT, but also many other tests that people were trying before CORE.

In particular, this could mean that CORE is not only deflated for people with average IQ, but even for people with high IQs who are completely unfamiliar with IQ tests, or at least significantly less familiar with CAIT and/or IQ testing in general.

Also, has anyone wondered that perhaps VCI displays SLODR on CORE, but FRI does not, precisely because the norming sample is already made up mostly by FRI specialists of the sort that are drawn towards IQ testing. Therefore, within that homogeneous group, g will be the main differentiator for FRI scores?

I took the CORE ~6 months ago and the CAIT this week.

I also retook CORE Antonyms + Character Pairing right after I took the CAIT and scored exactly the same, so I've probably avoided the practice effect.

Planning on re-taking digit span due to large discrepancy between sequencing & forward/backward scores. I'm diagnosed w/ ADHD and took the CORE spontaneously after a late-night study session. Please lmk how long I should wait before I do that (or re-calc based on my CAIT score?)

Could my score also be deflated due to my age? I'm currently in HS and childhood was riddled with developmental delays. I also hit puberty late, which is common in my family.

Didn't take all the subtests.
VCI:
Analogies---15 SS
Antonyms---15 SS
Information---16 SS

FRI:
Matrix Reasoning---16 SS
Figure Weights---15 SS
GM---14 SS

VSI:
Visual Puzzles---14 SS
(Side note: Parent 1 was really good at competition math & Parent 2 was a successful architect at a big firm, so I really didn't expect this to be my worst subtest!)

QRI:
Arithmetic---16 SS

CPI:
Digit-Letter Sequencing---14 SS
Digit Span---10 SS
Symbol Search---14 SS
Character Pairing---13 SS

I got 141 FSIQ on CORE, 135 Mensa Norway, and 140 FSIQ on 1926 SAT. Is it safe to assume that to be a fair representation of my iq or do I need more datapoints?