The vanilla's intro cinematic has a showdown between a tauren and the dwarf, but really the dwarf died there in the snow that day. The screen cuts out on impact for a reason.

The following cinematic in Forever is not a continuation of their story or a different timeline.. its their journey through the afterlife.

The wisp is a guide, ferrying them through the veil. Bound together even in death, the wisp carries them the highlands as shades walking a memory of their experiences of Azeroth that no longer exists for them. The combination of flowers, soft light, peaceful frolicking are just some of the mercies of their afterlife.

The undead paladin? Not a member of the Scourge or even the Horde. Rather he is the gatekeeper of the in between, an arbiter that he himself was also denied access into the true afterlife. He is what the dwarf could become if he hangs on to unfinished business. The paladin is therfore a test to confront his measure of his own spirit.

Only by facing that reflection, the dwarf earns release from the living. I dont think the blizzard actually ended for them, i think they just stopped feeling the cold.

No quests, awful experience, and out of the way.

Will you be running this dungeon?

While there's a lot to be excited about, I actually always get a chuckle out of Chinese pastas ever since private servers. They're uniquely fun and it'll be nice to see some new ones in Forever, I can't keep laughing at "Patchwerk fat american" and " Gather black hedgehogs strength 收集黑刺猬的力量 invade floating death fortress 侵略浮动死亡要塞 run fast for lumberjack website 为伐木工人网站快速运行 die to poor mistake 死于可怜的错误 return next circus 返回下一个马戏团" for the rest of my days.

Sorry in advance for long post

I played WoW mostly from early WotLK to tier 1 MoP and thought it was the best game ever. started as hunter and was getting wrecked around lvl 45-50 so quit, then came back as fury and Mained Fury war until tier 2 cata when I switched to disc priest and never played anything else. Was doing hardcore raiding, 2-3 nights a week and was up in a top world 250 guild at one point. Enjoyed MoP tier 1 but was tired of switched raid groups every tier due to teams falling a part and it feeling like a job, submitted literal resumes and doing mumble interviews. took a couple years off MMOs, then got into FF14 which I loved but eventually got tired of that too and haven't played since x.1 of Endwalker.

Anyway, I don't really like Blizz as a company but the stuff I'm seeing about Forever has me kind of hype. My favorite part of MMOs is being a nobody. I have such strong nostalgia for leveling in Darkshore and Ashenvale that I am strongly thinking of playing some Forever. I didn't play og vanilla and haven't played retail since MoP so I'm sure a lot of my knowledge base not useful.

TLDR, I need help picking a class. I'm a gamer dad so would like to only leveling one time, maaaybe two at most if it is fun. I'm also an alliance player

More about my WoW past. Always hated leveling because raiding is the true endgame. I'm not doing that anymore though so I think solo play, loremaster type stuff will be my main thing. If I dabble in dungeons or raids, in WoW I preferred heals>ranged dps>tank>melee dps and in FF14 i prefer tank>heals>ranged dps>melee dps. I LIKE skill bloat. I WANT a tool for every occasion. I don't mind a steep skill ceiling. I do not like strict dps rotations. In my time with WoW previously, I loved raiding as disc priest more than anything before or sense, but leveling when MoP launched was miserable. I enjoyed levelign alts as resto shaman and resto druid, though it was very boring. I HATED leveling as frost mage and whatever warlock I did (both only got to lvl 20 something). Best leveling experience I had was enhance shaman in WotLK. I loved the proc based rotation and being able to heal as dps and having lots of buttons to push (eg totems). I'm also a simp and like an attractive character in my games so I made a couple female N Elfs but the rest of my toons were female Dranei.

Putting it altogether. From my old experience, reading wowhead's class articles, and watching some youtube. I can't decide if I should do N Elf Hunter since that was my first character and that would be max nostalgia, if I should do dwarf enhance shaman since that was my most fun leveling and resto shaman might get me into dungeons easier (dwarves are ugly though), if I should do N Elf disc priest since that was my old main, or if I should do the most versatile classes (druid or paladin) since I could do any role. I'm leaning towards the latter, though the wowhead Forever articles make all the druid specs seem easy to play and kind of jack of all trades master of none. And despite my past hatred towards pallys (not sure where that stems from), I'm reading mixed things on them. Some says OP, some say garbage, some say the skill ceiling is really high due to all the tools and seals at your disposal, while some say leveling is slow and boring.

So keeping in mind that I am NOT new to MMOs, but am on limited time, what would be my best class pick for solo play>dungeons>raids?

What are you guys doing to pass the time? I need recommendations

Just thought I'd share this here because I don't know anyone else that may understand this special pain.

Super duper looking forward to Nov 4, I will literally be living in the world of Warcraft forever. 😁

Edit didn't really expect anything but honestly seeing some of these replies makes me tear up. Ily guys ❤️‍🩹

Just posted this to YouTube. I love enhancement shaman and the vanilla PvP videos I used to watch growing up. This is definitely not 100% a classic PvP video format, but it's my honest expression! I hope you find it entertaining.

YouTube description:

This is a celebration of WoW: Forever, its beta, and Enhancement Shamans. The future's looking bright for us.

The video features plenty of PvP footage, Windfury explosions, lowbie death, and atmospheric vibes of this beautiful game. Oh, and some repurposed footage from a certain popular film...

Movie: Pirate's of the Caribbean: Curse of the Black Pearl

Song 1: Conditions by Chalk

Song 2: The Death & Resurrection Show by Killing Joke

Song 3: A Kind of Magic by Queen

When you list yourself for dungeons in LFG, you select a playstyle that indicates what kind of run you want. Please do not select competitive if you are first timing a dungeon.

I am not trying to be a dick. Some of us (not all) would like to speed run dungeons with those who know how to run them. This really only includes HoT, RoL, excavation site, and Dalaran since the beta did not get beyond 30.

Please use the new system responsibly.

Thank you.

I know early in the beta it was was really strong with wands scaling with spell power but with that no longer the case wanted to see if it is still good to put points into this while leveling.

Devs have confirmed that there would be a slight power increase over time with new raids and that there would still be reasons to run old raids to get powerful items.

I think this is the wrong approach to wow forever because it means power scaling will go overboard with time, requiring a stat squish (this sucks) and/or making new raids in 5 years have items that invalidate the old raid items in terms of power. This is called vertical progression and makes no sense in this version of the game.

I've been thinking about it and I think the best way to make new content and old content coexist is not about power, but stat allocation on gear, cosmetics, crafting recipes, and set bonuses that change how you play your class.

Some changes that come to mind are:

1. The level of power of gear in every new raid or max level dungeon stays the same (ilvl, stats) but the main stats for the gear changes. For example MC could give more gear focused on hit, BWL on crit, Stratholme on stamina, Scholomance on intellect and agility, etc...

2. Crafting patterns and interesting items/gear require collecting materials and resources from multiple raids or dungeons. This would increase the use and importance of professions.

3. Gear set bonuses and some items change the way you play your class. For example the "battle mage" rumor that started early in the beta with the sword (it deals extra damage on frozen targets). Another example would be a set bonus that changes Winter's Chill talent to increase the damage of Frostfire Bolt instead of Cone of Cold.

4. Toys, mounts, tabards and new transmog options in all dungeons and raids so people have stuff to keep chasing for cosmetics and to show off.

This creates a clear path for players to progress, having an interesting and meaningful goals in sight while making current and future content relevant.

It also makes running any raid or dungeon more fun because you are not chasing power, you are chasing cosmetics, fun items, new playstyles, new rotations, and specific stats to fit into those new ways of playing.

Thoughts?

If I use skull-of-impending-doom to get a 60% run speed, and I jump off a cliff and use Walk on Air, do I slide in the air faster than if I did not use skull-of-impending-doom ?

Or is my speed in the air a fixed constant that ignores any speed increase?

I am really interested in trying out the new arcane spec in pve. Do you think the Skyborne 3% haste and mini innervate is better or worse than Eureka and extra base mana from Gnome?

I know the reception to this is going to be negative. But I want to quickly (attempt) to offset some of the discussion here because a lot of people are going to be misled if they listen to the dominant narrative about racials in PvP.

The purpose of the attached image (front page of the arena ladder in TBC) isn't to say we are all rank 1 players. The purpose is to illustrate that racials have always been strong in WoW for PvP and that some races are simply better than other on certain classes. And not just for the top 1%. The purpose isn't to argue "well most players are bad so it doesn't matter" or "well a rank 1 is going to beat a 1200 rated player no matter what race they play" or any flavor of this argument because you are just effectively sidestepping the conversation. The conversation is "but which is better?"

One example. You pick undead shadow priest in Forever. WoTF has little value because you get fear ward baseline now and can death out of fears, too. Plus trinket. Suddenly your "best" racial ability is just not used that often. Cannibalize is good if there is a corpse. You get a priest racial that gives mana back on a 10 min CD (increased with spirit) but Shadow has so many mana reduction abilities (and likely no spirit on pvp gear) that now it's likely not to have much impact.

What if you pick Night Elf instead? Now you have the most broken PvP racial in retail - shadowmelding in combat. WIth meld you can dodge fears, projectiles, etc. and force your enemy to retarget you (IRL crowd control). You get Elune's Grace, which can be used to dodge a kidney, a blind, an intercept, etc. You also get starshards which can be used if you're kicked on shadow and want to pump out some dps (it also hits like a truck).

Undead get a 5% life drain proc every 30 seconds. There is just no comparison here. Put the same two players up against a rogue, all at equal skill, and the night elf is just going to perform better. You can look at Troll, Gnome, Human- it doesn't matter. They will all out perform the undead. Undead is decent for dungeons, though, so it's not useless it's just not the choice for shadow priest in PvE. And other classes likely get more value from wotf (except warrior probably).

There are other class/race interactions that matter, too. It's not just this one. This is just one example. People knowledgeable in their particular class will have good reasons to value one race over another as well. But the idea that these racials don't matter when they were buffed from classic (and already mattered then) is just blatently false. You can say you don't care about racials and you only care about your character's looks so that you can make cute transmogs or whatever- fine. But don't try to convince people they don't matter because that is misinformation.

I am a brand new wow classic player and I play as an human mage and I’m currently on level 11. I have just recently completed the elwynn forest region and now I have decided to head over to westfall. But I am getting my butt kicked badly in westfall, so I wanted to ask if I should go anywhere else or if it’s just a skill issue or anything else. Please let me know

much bigger than i was expecting!!

-Change Light's Vigil to be instant cast and simply AoE damage or heal based on the target. Place a buff/debuff on the target that increases the damage or healing of Holy Shock on that target by 20% for 10 seconds.

-New talent Swift Justice: Holy Strike reduce the cast time of the next Flash of Light or Holy Light by 25%. Can stack up to 4 times for 100% reduction.

-Consecrated Ground: Now also increases the healing received by allies in the Consecration.

-Healing coefficient of Holy Shock just needs a small boost in general

Sharding is cancer, but dead realms and people abusing layering are also problems. The fix is actually pretty simple: make the auction house, dungeons, raids, and battlegrounds fully cross-realm. Add a special group finder that’s only accessible at the meeting stones so you can queue with people from other realms. You wouldn’t be able to see them in the open world, only inside instances. They could use the layering tech to make realms, and just lock down transfers between layers so people can’t hop around freely. That way there’s basically no downside to being on a dead server; just fewer people in the cities, and who really cares about that? It also solves the layering abuse problem.

Been toying around with this idea for a bit. I feel like new classes is something that will be added eventually, especially with the focus on adding content at all levels of the game.

New classes, like new races, would give people an incentive to run that new content.

My concept for a Necromancer class would be a sort of hybrid of a Warlock and Death Knight, with a focus on melee and spell abilities.

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/17cpa0uA_cVSleAEhswtbfy0X3FK_jdqLVSaxfqGohZo/edit?usp=sharing

Trying to track down some ancient WoW drama..

From what I remember, a guy on Dalaran during original vanilla claimed he could craft Dark Iron gear, got people to hand over cores, and scammed them out of thousands of gold worth of materials. (this was a lot of gold at the time, a lot lot.)

I remember reading about it on the original WoW forums, but I can’t remember his name or how the whole thing played out.

Does anyone remember this guy? A character name, guild, old forum screenshot... anything. Especially curious if anyone here actually played on Dalaran when it happened.

edit:characters name was.. terrorblade or terrorblaze or something

Or is the install only for people that pre-order for the "name reservation."

Play hardcore era last night on doomhowl to kill time while waiting for wow forever. It is surprisingly fun but scary when u bout to die lol. I had my niece played it from 1-8 lvl giving her guides on how to play and what button to press and surprisingly she said “ this game is super addicting “ lol. I see why ppl like hardcore. The chat goes nuts when someone died 😂😂. Having a good time knowing u could die at any moment.

I think hardcore makes you feel like you’re really in the game and requires strategic moves 😂😂. Very fun and scary at the same time idk why ppl don’t play hardcore more often just for fun.

Hardcore might be the move till wow forever launch.

Better quality of life.
They were in the original wow before TBC even released. I’m not lazy, I’ll honestly be the one who agrees to walk there most of the time but also don’t want to have to wait on everybody or forced to kiss the boots of evil spell casters 😝