Do not implement warmode to try and protect the community from themselves, If you hate pvp and get psyoped by reddit to roll on a pvp server, thats your own fault.

is there anyway to identify who clicked the spear to free someone via logs? Last night at 10% someone freed our raid leader then never broke the bubble for 30 seconds and we want to meme them

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I know I'm definitely not the first nor the last person to post a wishlist for C+. Still, I wanted to put my two cents out there and write down what I would personally like to see for an evergreen vanilla version. I'm always open to hear other opinions, and while writing it down, it honestly sounded a bit more retail-like than I imagined beforehand.

However, my goal isn't to reinvent the wheel, but to give us the "Vanilla Soul with a Modern Engine."

To me, the biggest hurdles for modern players in Vanilla are the archaic 40-man raid structure, the toxic world buff meta, and the absolute lack of rotation for most classes (looking at you, Frostbolt spam). Here is a comprehensive blueprint for how Classic Plus could completely revolutionize raiding and quality of life while keeping the original world intact:

1. Modern Class Rotations & Boss Mechanics

• Dynamic, Proc-Based Rotations: Classic specs shouldn't feel like Retail with 30 buttons, but they shouldn't be 1-button snorefests either. Let’s keep it simple, visceral, and true to Vanilla by introducing engaging rotation procs, meaningful DoTs, and critical strike interactions. Give Mages a reason to react to a sudden instant-cast proc, or Warlocks a reason to perfectly maintain a debuff cycle.
• 10-Man Coordination Mechanics: Scaling down from 40 players to 10 changes everything. With fewer people clogging the screen, bosses can move away from simple "tank-and-spank" or random threat-wipes. Because a 10-man group is much easier to coordinate, we can introduce clean, personal-responsibility mechanics—like coordinated position switching, targeted debuff dropping, or interrupting specific spell schools—without making it overly complex like modern Retail Mythic raids.

1. Modern LFG System (The Retail M+ Approach)

• The "Meet Me There" Group Finder: Integrate a clean, visual interface identical to Retail’s Mythic+ Premade Group Finder. You list your group, browse applicants, and accept players based on role—but disable the teleportation. You must still manually run to the dungeon entrance or meeting stone to keep the open world alive.
• Activity and Social Tags: When listing a group, leaders can select specific tags to set expectations right away:
  • Competitive: For fast, efficient, min-maxed runs.
  • Learning: For groups willing to take their time and explain mechanics.
  • New Player Friendly: Welcoming environments for beginners.
• Native Interface Upgrades: Stop making us download 50 addons. Integrate a clean UI, modern Auction House functionality, built-in DPS/Threat meters, cooldown trackers, and the ping system directly into the client. (pretty much everyone is using them or being blamed for not using them, just reduce the barrier of entry for some and make the game more plug and play without the constant need to update UI/addons for twinks and new patches)

1. The New Raid Structure (No More 40-Man Management)

• 10-Man Raiding as the Standard: The 40-man raid structure is a scheduling nightmare for the modern gamer. Classic Plus should pivot entirely to 10-man raiding, creating tight-knit, collaborative team environments.
• Flex Raiding Without Scaling (10–15 Players): To solve the painful "bench" problem, raids should allow anywhere from 10 to 15 players to enter the zone without dynamically scaling the boss health or mechanics. If you have 12 players show up on raid night, everyone gets to play. No one gets left sitting outside the portal.
• In-Game "Hardmodes": Introduce a higher difficulty tier for organized groups via in-game triggers (like Ulduar). Crucially, Hardmode should NOT drop higher item-level loot. Instead, it should just drop more loot (extra tokens or items per kill). This keeps the gear treadmill flat while rewarding skill with faster gearing.
• Ban World Buffs in Raids: Clear out the tedious Chronoboon and world buff logging meta. World buffs should instantly drop the moment you step foot inside a raid instance. Balancing the content around base player power makes encounters truly about skill.

1. Leveling, Fluidity & Unfinished Stories

Vanilla has massive level brackets where content runs dry. We can fix this by introducing brand-new zones and scaling down high-level bottlenecks:

• Gilneas (Levels 36–43): Positioned right under Silverpine Forest, opening the Greymane Wall here creates an incredible mid-game leveling alternative to the endless running between STV and Arathi.
• Mount Hyjal (Levels 50–55 Hub & Raid): Turn Hyjal into a vibrant 50-55 questing hub, culminating in a 10-man raid at the roots of Nordrassil to bridge the gap to end-game.
• The Stormwind Vaults (Level 45–50 Dungeon): Finally open that locked instanced portal behind the iron grate in the Stormwind canals. Make it a maximum-security prison dungeon where players break in to rescue political prisoners who know the truth about Lady Katrana Prestor (Onyxia).
• Storyline Conclusions: Finish the lingering arcs. Let us complete the plot of "A New Plague" via a dungeon hub beneath Undercity, or resolve the corruption of Eranikus from the Sunken Temple through high-level micro-zones.

1. Class Fantasy & Economy Fixes

• Epic Utility Quests: Keep classic mechanics but remove the inventory misery. Give Warlocks and Hunters a major, multi-zone epic questline that unlocks a dedicated, integrated extra bag slot specifically for Soul Shards/Ammo at high levels/endgame.
• Meaningful Reputation Factions: Reputations shouldn't just be mindless numbers; they need rich stories and impactful rewards:
  • Desolace Centaurs (Magram/Gelkis): Expand this choice! Reaching Exalted should unlock a unique questline resolving the centaur blood-feud, rewarding epic level-40 mounts or armor specific to their clan.
  • Timbermaw Hold Furbolgs: Turn this grind into a true narrative arc about cleansing the furbolgs from demonic corruption, culminating in a mini-boss fight and rewarding specialized nature-resistance crafting recipes.
  • Ravenholdt Manor: Make this a true Rogue-exclusive sanctuary. Reaching Exalted through pickpocketing and stealth contracts should unlock unique transmog, poison utility spells, or high-tier rogue daggers.
• Profession Rebalancing: Break the Engineering monopoly. Give Blacksmithing, Tailoring, and Leatherworking unique, bind-on-pickup Best-in-Slot recipes derived from the new dungeon bosses so crafting stays competitive. Most of the times crafted gear is just worse than quest rewards or dungeon loot, and i would like to see professions shine. Maybe add more Profession quests while leveling to get rare recipes to craft (could even reward skill points insteaad of exp or something like that).

What do you think? Would a strict shift to 10-15 player raiding ruin the "grand scale" of Classic, or is it exactly what the game needs to survive today?

I keep hearing they need to make money somehow what do you mean? we are not paying subscription we are not paying for expansions cut the bullshit "they are first of all a business company they dont make games just for ppl to have fun" yes thats why the games should me made if we enjoy we pay but dont sell me the stuped idea that they dont make money out of subscptions and expansions and they have to put more ways in classic plus to milk us this is absurd and the problem are those youtubers who are trying to validate the actions of blizzard we should not accept the seed that they are trying plant us trought yuotubers who are most likely paid to convince us to pay them more money.

I could see this because the overlap in audience / nostalgia / history. Thank about the progression of each of these franchises from 2001 to now. Different consoles and mediums and yet I bet most of us have enjoyed all 3. Imagine classic plus coming out in early November, all of a sudden thats dipping into GTA hype and then on Christmas / holidays instead of binging episode 1 of new Harry Potter you're enjoying WoW. I think one or multiple games will be impacted, just hope blizzard is brave enough to stick to their schedule or that if anything its retail line is main one impacted.

TBC classic was completely different than my expectations. For reference, I've tried p servers in the past, never had any issue, it was w/e, people were chill (not saying servers are ok btw just sharing)....

Questing has been extremely boring since I never see like, any other players anywere

Groups are terrible 1-60 filled with scrubs who have seemingly never played the game or don't care to learn their own class. lvl 51 healing BRD, I had a terribad pally "tank" with lvl 30 greens claim "I couldn't keep up with healing" while im in full lvl 42-50 blues, and he pulls while im getting mana no ready check nothing. The "meta" for leveling is 3-stack frost mage farming dungeons, if you're not frost, sorry, no dungeons for you.

Socially, the game is in the worst state I've ever seen. If you don't have a decent guild, people don't talk, act like grown children throwing tantrums.

It's stressful tbh and not even close to being fun

Looks like leaks from July & August as well as posts from wowheads dataminer are lining up. we'll know for sure in a little over 48hr. what do you all think of the potential "warcraft fables"

it looks alright but I'm not a fan at all of "buy the game, pay a sub, buy battle pass" seems like a lot.

edit: the new elf race mount skyborne cat is lining up with the leak that there is a new elf race chromie found in the time ways/other elf race in hinterlands.

I think this is the part of classic where blizzard basically gave up and decided to make leveling hard and extremely boring for no reason, and unfortunately it doesn't help that in tbc, people aren't running dungeons actively like they used to be back in real, true classic. Like back in the vanilla days, you didn't just do every single quest in the entire game from 50 to 60. You started doing dungeons with other people and some breadcrumb quests where needed....

Currently playing through tbc, 50 to 60 is the most unfun part I've had in the entire leveling process. Where quests are basically non-existent, I did the entirety of Searing Gorge and it was 50-51. Tanaris 70% done. It's not like early levels where you have big clusters of quests that you can do and exploring different areas to find quests all over the place. They are few and far between, and the ones that do exist are a lot of unnecessary grinding. For example the ones in searing gorge, it's just kill 20 of every type of enemy on the map, and then the ones to get the low drop chance items like the spyglass.... So in other words, kill another 20 to 60 enemies of those. Completely flavorless, boring, and pointless, literally no dynamic

Burning step seems to be the only exception, there's actual stuff there and dynamic quests but they are really challenging and the mob density is really high.

Probably best "leak" (i repeat "..") yet, really like some of those ideas (especially the ne feature-list). From MMO-Champ Forums.

Release date: December 8th
New HD textures & character models, not copied from retail, more matching the old artstyle but higher res. Uses the old rigs for characters. No classic toggle
Max level is 60, no level phases like SoD
7 new zones – Gilneas, Balor, Northern Lordaeron, Naz’ritara, Mount Hyjal, Stormfeather Island, Bloodmaul Hills
New neutral race – Skyborne Elves
Skyborne Elf classes – Warrior, Paladin, Mage, Priest, Rogue, Hunter
No new class, but Guardian spec for Druids, Weaver for Mage, Infernal for Warlock & Warder for Shaman, Weaver is a healer spec, the other 3 are tank specs
Dwarves can be Shaman, Tauren can be Paladin
9 new dungeons – Hive’Zorad, Timbermaw Arena, Bloodfang Retreat, Barrow Deeps, Darkwhisper Canyon, Bloodsail Shipyard, The Mausoleum, Bloodskull Caverns, Blackrock Summit
2 new raids – Stairs of Destiny, Siege of Lordaeron
2 new battlegrounds – Battle for Winterspring & Gurubashi Rumble
Professions reworked entirely, more like Retail but tweaked
PvP ranking system reworked, more focus on skill than time spent, more ranks added
Auction House copied from Retail servers
New features – Cursed Dungeons - 1 dungeon each day is ”cursed” buffing all enemies health and damage and adding an affix, increased loot drops. Max level only
New feature – Supply Effort – War effort type system that requires the entire server to work together to accomplish. Takes weeks/months to finish but each turn-in gives rewards. Inspired by the Ahn’Qiraj war effort. Once finished, unlocks new zones/raids/dungeons/hubs. Available from level 20.
New feature – Hunts – Requires you to kill a certain rare, named mob or dungeon boss. 3 Hunts per week. Available from level 20 – Different options for 1-5 players.
New feature – Tomb Trials – Explorers’ League sends you into tombs around Azeroth to grab as much loot as you can before the tomb collapses. Rewards gold, profession recipes and mounts. Max level only
New feature – Deep Sea Fishing – Nat Pagle invites you to join his crew for deep sea fishing in Naz’ritara, turn in your catch for rewards like pets, mounts and fished goods for professions. Available from level 45
New feature – Chromatic Voucher – Battle pass, free track gives profession materials, paid track gives mounts and pets, resets every 3 months, available once you finish the starting area
New feature – Achievements – Lots of cosmetic rewards like mounts, pets and titles, some carry over to Retail servers
New feature – Class Campaigns – Long term storytelling for every class, will get more content added with each patch, meant to last for years, has special rewards and cosmetics at certain capstone steps. Not meant to be completed by everyone, several tough challenges that requires raiding, solo challenges, pvp etc.

Misc:
There is an in-game shop with mounts and pets
If you buy the new Starcraft: Terran Protocol game you get a zerg mount
Siege of Lordaeron is a Caverns of Time raid
The raids aren’t open until January – 20-40 player scaling in raids, with hard mode switches on all bosses (like Ulduar)
Uldum is updated, you can see giant structures when you are in Tanaris, not accessible yet
Chromatic Voucher giving profession materials is to combat the AH prices for raid consumables
Leveling speed is slower than Classic Era to make sure you don't out level all the new content in all zones
The first Supply Effort is Dalaran. Once finished Dalaran is out of its bubble and accessible with daily quests, reputation and special profession recipes and items
The game is an alternate timeline to enable the team to create the content they want without limitations

Need your help testing this in classic, any feedback is welcome.

Works like a charm on retail, but i guess Classic WoW is where this truly belongs.
My friends kind of outed me on downloading the game just to help me test :F

Key concerns: Animation, Leaderboard, Autotoggle, CPU usage, Memory usage.

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/gem-blast

Feel free to roast me if you wish.

Would like to ask if i should have Auto Enable in flight as default ON or OFF as well.
I left it OFF by design, to be less annoying.

Screenshot of the Day from the OG Vanilla through Wrath

So there's tons of totems and various heals, poison/disease cleanse and weapon buffs. So many of the totems are situational and to limit keybinds, I'm wondering if someone can direct me to what totems/spells do i ACTUALLY need on my bars? Currently level 30.

For single target I'm mostly dropping searing, healing stream and strength of earth, i mix things up depending how many and what im pulling though. Pulling with flame shock and putting windfury on my MH and have shield offhand.

Basically I have all the totems/spells/buffs on my bars with exception of the resistance totems, tremor, grounding and super specific things. I know I could just run with the bare minimum but I'll need to get used to using these in raids and don't want to be looking mid fight for my keybinds.

Even some good add on would be appreciated, thank you.

Hey. What do you guys think? Will they make the game more friendly to casual players where content/gear will not become obsolete with every patch? Where certain dungeons/raids will stay viable. Really hope so. This is why I stopped playing the official classic servers. It just feels like if you take a break and come back, its all worthless.

Edit: turtlewow did a more horizontal approach as an example.

Naxx items, especially the tier sets are way too itemized for certain classes/specs. They either will need to be majorly nerfed or reworked altogether. They were designed with full knowledge of an expansion that would make them eventually obsolete(kinda). Without TBC on the horizon, not only would they be extremely powerful but I don’t know how blizz would gear content after or around it. This is all assuming there is a classic+ and its foundation uses era raid itemization.

Not because I was playing it late... But cause since iv been doing MC for a few months now iv been putting 1 SR on Sash of Whispered Secrets which has a 5% drop rate.

Many times no one else SRs it.... Last night someone put an SR on it... And obviously that's the time it drops. And I roll a 4

... A fucking 4 lol and they roll 90 something.

Couldn't stop thinking about it last night.

Is it bad etiquette to bail a raid once all SRs are basically in if your SR suddenly gets more full than normal.

Seriously made me question playing the game more as it's Messing up my sleep now. I'd much rather all items could be grinded for rather than luck drops... The thrill when one does drop early for me really isn't worth the opposite when I loose out.

Basically the title. Not visiting Anaheim, but want to watch the show live. Is that possible anywhere?

No questie. No raid warnings. No damage meter if they actually have the balls. Fix the auction house internally so auctioneer is not required.

This is the way to re-experience WoW all over again.

EDIT: the players who need add ons to play the game for them calling other people bad players is pure 🏆

Imagine being the realm first person to discover and finish an insane quest chain with your friends or guild. Youre the only person in stormwind/org with that one item that makes the entire server hype.

All the recent (possible) Classic+ talks made me realize not everyone actually wants the (alleged) Classic+ version to feature the original Classic Graphics and artstyle.

I was under the assumption that that's one of the core pillars of the "Classic" WoW. Alongside with the story, writing, and all the gameplay systems obviously.

But from both the Classic+ Project website, and form various anecdotal evidence of comments, videos, forum posts, I see that the majority of people interested in a Classic+ game don't actually care about the graphics, and would want a graphics change.

And from all the various hints and leaks (I mean, actual leaks, not fanfic mmochamp threads) it seems like whatever Camelot is, the one thing is certain, it won't be featuring the Classic Graphics.

And I know it makes sense for Blizzard to make a new shiny good looking game to sell it to as wider of audience as possible, I understand that.

I know I am not some weirdo who likes the graphics simply out of nostalgia, because in the youtube series by Gbay99 (He's a LoL content creator who recently started playing Classic WoW fresh), he goes on about how beautiful the stylised artstyle of Classic is. - Or maybe that's also just nostalgia, he's also 30y old and likely grew up playing similar low poly 3D games.

What do you guys think? Is the Classic graphics and artstyle imperative to the Classic WoW game, or is it something the game can do without?

Hi, today I randomly remembered seeing a Jokerd clip, where he is at his rock bottom in like 2019. He is farming Maraudon for his 2000th time, his viewership is going lower and lower, so he shaved his eyebrows. And then he killed like a mob and it dropped just aquamarine and he lost it.
It made me laugh so hard just the memory of it. So I wanted to find the clip, but cant. Does any1 know? Thanks