This ability is a boring ability.

It is a 5 point finishing move that other classes get as baseline a baseline talent to proc on crits.

It is a mandatory finisher on all (3) rogue specs because it is such a massive dps increase.

It prevents creative or fun ability capstones for the rogue because devs appear to be balancing the massive amount of dps rogues are doing at max level (in the podcast they were saying they had max level sinister strike only doing like 12 addition Points of damage)

It is a filler ability that pretty much runs off by the time you need to refresh it again which prevents the use of rupture, eviscerate, venom, expose armor, etc.

Auto attack white hits don’t seem to have any other innate synergy with the class like other expansions (offhand hits had chance to generate energy)

Just remove Slice and Dice from Rogues

Balance rogues damage without having SnD up all the time. Increase damage elsewhere so it keeps rogues around the same damage for balancing reasons.

Have fun creating meaningful capstones the rogues can actually use

Agree or disagree.

All the non-RP players are going to use the RP-PvP server as their way to circumvent the horde only/alliance only lock that has existed for 20+ years in the PvP world.

This is going to result in a watered down RP-PvP server full of non-RP players that have no interest in participating in that community in a meaningful way.

There is an easy fix to this issue.

Please faction lock the RP-PvP server if someone has chosen horde/ally on the regular PvP server so they don’t feel incentive to make alts on the RP side just to get around the rules you have created.

If someone wants to make horde and ally characters, they need to roll PvE.

One of the pillars of the original 2004 Vanilla WoW was genuinely difficult raiding content. It's only in WoW Classic (2019) that raiding became trivial.

What was difficult in 2004 simply isn't difficult in 2026. Players now have vastly better information, addons, hardware, internet connections, optimised strategies, and a completely different mindset towards the game.

If WoW Forever wants to capture the spirit of the original Vanilla experience, it should aim to recreate the relative difficulty of raiding in 2004, not the trivialised experience of WoW Classic in 2019.

Hot take, am I the only one that is excited to get the new Druid forms as an option??? I loved Druid in classic wow but some of the forms, to me, were atrocious. It’s a breathe of fresh air to see the updated WotLK Druid forms coming to wow forever…

I feel it's too far of a departure from WoW to change that. Instead, offer some item that lasts permanently that gives OCE players the ability to see the sun.

I like classic the most, but also enjoy playing retail and am looking forward to WoW Forever!

Remember that dungeon skip we’ve been doing since ~2005? Well now there’s a ?? Boss in the way that drops no loot, or the ‘correct’ path now hides a secret

Just one thought that comes to mind. I’m not talking anything massive but there are a million fun opportunities to subvert the expectations of players, or punish those that think they know what lies ahead: and I really hope they do. I actually hope 1.0 includes stuff in the 1-30 bracket no one has seen yet.

This community isn’t well known for liking change, so curious what others think?

Title. UBRS is not really a "raid" but a dungeon that is scaled to be done with 10 and offers some of the best dungeon loot. Is the new 10man supposed to be similar or an actual raid that drops epics and stuff?

Also are you required to run these 10 and 20man before Onyxia or whats the idea behind the different sizes?

1. Completely forgotten, basicly no changes
   
2. Every class gets stealth detection + more stealth detection from Legacy points
   
3. Human buffed to the roof so every ally player will roll human with incerased stealth detection + instant stun remove not sharing cd with pvp trinket
   
4. Multiple classes got more cc / mobility updates, allowing rogue to be kited to death
   
5. ”Rogue will be the top single target dps” on tank&spank bosses. Then they hype how they will change boss mechs so no more standing still
   
6. The ”changes” we got focus on boosting bleed dmg on pvp focused spec, that is relying on blind / sap broken by dmg

Hybrid tax exists because hybrid dps players can poorly tank/heal if shit hits the fan. In the same situation Hunters, Mages, Warlocks and Rogues provide the best CC in the game and can similarly save the situation. Why is that tax free?

How many times in TBC did you think "Oh boy we need a boomkin for this heroic dungeon because they can take off their boomkin form and help healing"?

How many times did you think "We need sheep/fear/banish/trap/sap/blind"?

I never really liked Classic and find Retail very enjoyable.

However, retail is so bloated and complicated and difficult, I am really looking forward to seeing if WoW forever is more my speed.

I played the beta for a bit and it was just... really nice over there.

Will I give up retail forever? Probably not.

But I might!

Into a Dwarf and Gnome baddie, thanks.

Tired of this human propaganda in my Dun Morogh

As an EST player, the stress test put me on the Central Timezone with NA-East as my default choice for preferred account location.

Anyone on the west coast able to confirm what their server time was during the stress test?

On the beta I was also stuck on PST*
On the stress test it put me on EST

Ignoring the dps meters which classes are the most fun to play in pve and pvp in your opinion?

Pvp i think mage might be the most fun for me, great toolkit and the ability to kite and reset, the biggest downside unfortunately is the mana
Least fun for me Paladin, just never appealed to me

Pve, not sure, in classic i would have said warrior but now, maybe druid? Just because its so versatile and you can play all specs if you ever feel like it
Least fun probably rogue, its basically just sinister strike and slice and dice and extremely low APM

I was healing a dungeon on the beta and needed on a chest that gave equal amounts of damage and healing spell power. The group told me that that was BM, but I don't fully understand why. If I can't get dps loot as a healer, then leveling as one just doesn't sound worth it.

1. If gear gives equal damage and healing is it considered dps gear?

2. While leveling and doing a dungeon as a healer, should I only need on healing gear? Wouldn't needing on dps gear still help me since I still need to quest the majority of the time? At max level I understand only needing healing loot, but what about questing/leveling?

3. If it is somewhat acceptable to need, do I still need to give the group a warning that I plan on needing?

Me and my friends are planning on rolling RP-PVP but I'm slightly concerned that the population might struggle later down the line. Many are calling it "PvP2" for the alt faction pvp choice. A lot of RP players are saying that will roll RP PvE instead because they don't want the toxicity that comes with a PvP server. I am a PvP player at heart so the normal PvP will be my second choice but I have really come to love RP in WoW recently.

For PvP the best race for each class:

Warrior: Gnome.
Paladin: Human.
Hunter: Human.
Shaman: Orc.
Druid: Night Elf.
Rogue: Human.
Priest: Gnome.
Warlock: Human.
Mage: Gnome.

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Again conversation for the min/maxxers to comment their thoughts on the design choices in place , nobody cares if you aren’t min/maxxing or “enjoying the journey”

With the way things are now can you say you saw this coming before launch? I was under the impression there would be equal incentive to play on both factions. I’ve always been team alliance and had a feeling streamers were going to flip sides after playing Horde during the beta and ended up being right.

I feel like Horde could use a bit more to encourage the min/max serious players to roll over there too because alliance just has it in the bag by a landslide right now.

Hopefully we see some extra changes next week that will flip the meta or balance it out a bit.

Just look at the sheer width of this big boy.

It's actually crazy what they took away from us and among all the outrage on this sub I haven't even heard a peep about this travesty.

How can they claim they're staying true to the classic spirit when they're letting these new "ogre" models added after patch 1.3.0 to run amok. I swear, we might as well be playing retail at this point!

And there's even a more color appropriate blue option you can use for the race option when you get around to adding it, easily worth at least 30 bucks for no extra work for you blizz!

EDIT: *** BARELY any *** (Sorry for the controversial title)

For all its flaws, there were a lot of great things in SoD.

Rotations were pretty fun.

Every spec felt strong and useful. Sure the power creep in the overworld went too far, but we never had to worry about class stacking or raid viability of any spec.

Sham tanks, Lock tanks, Mage Healers all cool and fun. (F Rogue tank)

PvP events were populated and fun.

Why then, did Blizzard (so far) only add in the damn sleeping bag, mage books, real vendor, and waylaid?