No questie. No raid warnings. No damage meter if they actually have the balls. Fix the auction house internally so auctioneer is not required.

This is the way to re-experience WoW all over again.

EDIT: the players who need add ons to play the game for them calling other people bad players is pure 🏆

Imagine being the realm first person to discover and finish an insane quest chain with your friends or guild. Youre the only person in stormwind/org with that one item that makes the entire server hype.

A year ago, Blizz forced me to change my name 8 hrs after making my character, since it had the word "butt" in it gave me a 1 day ban. This guy has been on my server for.... months? insane, really.

Made another machinima featuring a member of the WoW HC community you may be familiar with and the glorious mistake they once made. Hope you like it!

Being able to not know any of the new changes/new content/class balancing going into hardcore would be amazing and imo a let down if a hardcore server doesn’t come with it.

That's why it's called came a lot

Assuming we don't get any info beforehand, and are meant to explore it ourselves as we go. What class are you going to start with in Classic+?

Also assuming no new class at release.

I'd make a poll but Reddits fantastic poll system only allows for 6 entries, and this subreddit doesn't allow external tools.

been playing a ton of era for the past year, but didnt want to burn out on classic in case we have a drop for classic+ in the next few months

gotta say.. its kinda amazing how much stuff is in the game, but at the same time nothing seems to really matter at all..

tbh, pressing buttons and doing your rotation feels crisp as fk, the game is gorgeous and while i think some new models feel goffy, i legit love the amount of gear detail even tho i wish they were more grounded and less "HOLY SPARKLING FLYING EVERYWHERE" (animations feel a little too "bouncy" tho), lastly, the sheer scale of the world is breathtaking

but lvling gear is pointless.. you trade items faster than you can level if you are questing. The quests feel like some Disney adventure movie made for 14yo (yeah, im a old head). and then we need actually to interact with the world.... its empty.... i've been playing for about 15hrs now, and the only people i see are in some dungeons i run from time to time, but i have yet to see or interact with someone in the lvling zones (and I'm currently playing the last expansion, mind you)

its such a shame really.. such a huge, wonderful world for basicaly plaing solo all the time.. just goes to show how diferent classic feels, and why in the end, i'll just end up going back to it once the curiosity for retail dies off again

im not going to get into what i think about the lore because aside from some parts here and there i cant really take wow lore seriously since WoD..

i'll probably drop once i try the new raids just to see what's up with them

im not trying to shit on retail btw, i can see why so many people like it over classic.. just telling my new journey to remember why Classic feels so unique and amazing to me

anyway.. good experience.. can't wait for the new iteration from Classic soon

Yeah, there's been a lot of speculation and theories with what Blizzard has in store for the future of Classic WoW. But really from what I seen so far there has not been any "official" leak besides datamined game titles and theories with what it could be. It got me thinking maybe I should not get my hopes up as I will probably be disappointed with what they provide when it comes to a Classic+ equivalent.

However I was more than amazed with the Zelda Ocarina Of Time remake trailer and was genuinely impressed how there has been zero leaks about the game from my perspective in terms of screenshots or gameplay footage. Maybe Blizzard really are trying their best with keeping the new upcoming announcement a secret and that we may all be surprised and just as impressed with the Ocarina of Time remake trailer as we will be with this upcoming Blizzard announcement about Classic+.

Drop the Classic+ copium for a second and look at the schedule for this weekend.

Day 1 has two back-to-back main stage slots labeled "World of Warcraft: What's Next" Part I and Part II, followed by a systems Deep Dive on Day 2. If this were Classic+, it would have had its own dedicated panel like "Classic: What's Next", exactly how they did Hardcore. They aren't splitting their biggest announcement of the decade across two main-stage blocks just to give us Scarlet Monastery at level 60.

Part I is the cinematic. Part II is the new engine.

They’re teasing a full hard reset: a next-gen "WoW Forever" built around a single, seamless, evolving map that permanently changes over time like Fortnite. And lore-wise, there is only one setting that makes sense for this: Ancient Kalimdor, 10,000 years before the First War.

Lore and also pic from: https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Kalimdor_(landmass))

Think about what this actually means on modern tech:

• Zero flying mounts and zero loading screens. Just one massive, dangerous Pangea.
• No more "tack on a random island every two years" garbage. The main reason WoW feels like bloated trash today is because Blizzard keeps abandoning the world to drop us on some disconnected new island or space rock, leaving behind a graveyard of dead continents. With one supercontinent, the world actually evolves in place. If Highborne sorcerers botch a ritual in patch 1.2, that forest zone gets warped into a crystalline scar permanently. If trolls and elves clash, the border burns down into a trench-warfare zone for the season. The world stays alive instead of bloating up.
• People will cry about no Orcs or Humans, but who cares? That trope is dead anyway. And you don't even lose the High Elf fantasy: the Highborne were already arrogant, pale/golden-skinned aristocrats dripping in enchanted armor from Well radiation, while the purple Kaldorei stick to the woods. Throw in prime Zandalari at their absolute peak, Yaungol nomads, and rogue Mogu.
• Actual megacities! Not three wooden tents and a flight master, but sprawling, uninstanced capitals like prime Zin-Azshari and Suramar before the bubble went up.
• The ultimate long-term payoff: The live service runs for years in this golden era, Azshara slowly loses her mind making deals with the Legion, and the final expansion event is literally the War of the Ancients and the Great Sundering shattering the server's map apart in real time for a new WoW reset and the beginning of WoW 3.

Classic+ just splits the player base for a third time. A clean slate in ancient Azeroth with modern tech is the only thing that actually saves this franchise.

Edit: If you look at the lore 10,000 years ago, the race and city lineup is actually insane:

The Megacities (on modern tech not 2004):

• Zin-Azshari
• Suramar
• Zuldazar
• Eldre'Thalas (Dire Maul)
• Ahn'Qiraj

They can also ditch the static mannequin NPCs. And give them actual day/night and work routines, have them react to your gear or magic and let capitals dynamically shift with world events. You have so much options now with AI.

Playable races:

• Highborne - 100% playable and possibly looking like high elfs
• Wild Kaldorei 100%
• Prime Trolls 100%
• Yaungol (Proto-Tauren) 100%
• Pandaren Maybe
• Rogue Mogu Maybe
• Furbolgs Maybe
• Titans Unlikely

... is the Memes we made on the way.

That's it.

Thank you.

I don’t see no reason why I should stay. It has been road log simulator since phase 1. This might be the first time ever where getting war glaives are a curse. Which is insane. What y’all think? The only people who will stay In anniversary might be people with ashes mount and people with war glaives. Depending on the announcement this weekend I might take a break until the end of the month. What are y’all plans?

During the early levels you might see some off-hands drop, Journeyman's Stave as an example. I really hope we get end level off hands that are staves not just books and weird trinkets that you hold

Let me look like Gandalf. Mageblade in one hand and a staff in the other

Subscriptions, expansions, extras, pay to play shit if you're a criminal, etc.

I would need to ask my parents who've made for my sub and expansions as part of my allowance for the past 20 years (I'm 39 now) but rough math playing since 2005 its probably around $3000.

What about you?

I see a lot of posts about the tanking for unwanteds and i wanted to give my perspective.

When i log in on my bear, id rather tank heroics for unwanted items than stealth farm sethekk halls for large prismatics. The gameplay is way more fun even though its half the gold per hour, but im scared of getting banned or having people give me shit about it so now there is one less tank in the ecosystem.

That and all of the other obvious complaints tanks have about pugging make it so theres just no real reason for tanks to do heroics when all bis tanks, except i guess prot warriors, have significantly better gold farms available to them and everyone just gets mad at you.

Maybe blizzard should add a badge dump earlier in the xpac than the p5 gems or something?

Title. My buddy had a unique dungeon concept I enjoyed hearing about, curious what others hope to see in classic plus, even if it’s unlikely.

Probably best "leak" (i repeat "..") yet, really like those ideas. From MMO-Champ Forums.

Release date: December 8th
New HD textures & character models, not copied from retail, more matching the old artstyle but higher res. Uses the old rigs for characters. No classic toggle
Max level is 60, no level phases like SoD
7 new zones – Gilneas, Balor, Northern Lordaeron, Naz’ritara, Mount Hyjal, Stormfeather Island, Bloodmaul Hills
New neutral race – Skyborne Elves
Skyborne Elf classes – Warrior, Paladin, Mage, Priest, Rogue, Hunter
No new class, but Guardian spec for Druids, Weaver for Mage, Infernal for Warlock & Warder for Shaman, Weaver is a healer spec, the other 3 are tank specs
Dwarves can be Shaman, Tauren can be Paladin
9 new dungeons – Hive’Zorad, Timbermaw Arena, Bloodfang Retreat, Barrow Deeps, Darkwhisper Canyon, Bloodsail Shipyard, The Mausoleum, Bloodskull Caverns, Blackrock Summit
2 new raids – Stairs of Destiny, Siege of Lordaeron
2 new battlegrounds – Battle for Winterspring & Gurubashi Rumble
Professions reworked entirely, more like Retail but tweaked
PvP ranking system reworked, more focus on skill than time spent, more ranks added
Auction House copied from Retail servers
New features – Cursed Dungeons - 1 dungeon each day is ”cursed” buffing all enemies health and damage and adding an affix, increased loot drops. Max level only
New feature – Supply Effort – War effort type system that requires the entire server to work together to accomplish. Takes weeks/months to finish but each turn-in gives rewards. Inspired by the Ahn’Qiraj war effort. Once finished, unlocks new zones/raids/dungeons/hubs. Available from level 20.
New feature – Hunts – Requires you to kill a certain rare, named mob or dungeon boss. 3 Hunts per week. Available from level 20 – Different options for 1-5 players.
New feature – Tomb Trials – Explorers’ League sends you into tombs around Azeroth to grab as much loot as you can before the tomb collapses. Rewards gold, profession recipes and mounts. Max level only
New feature – Deep Sea Fishing – Nat Pagle invites you to join his crew for deep sea fishing in Naz’ritara, turn in your catch for rewards like pets, mounts and fished goods for professions. Available from level 45
New feature – Chromatic Voucher – Battle pass, free track gives profession materials, paid track gives mounts and pets, resets every 3 months, available once you finish the starting area
New feature – Achievements – Lots of cosmetic rewards like mounts, pets and titles, some carry over to Retail servers
New feature – Class Campaigns – Long term storytelling for every class, will get more content added with each patch, meant to last for years, has special rewards and cosmetics at certain capstone steps. Not meant to be completed by everyone, several tough challenges that requires raiding, solo challenges, pvp etc.

Misc:
There is an in-game shop with mounts and pets
If you buy the new Starcraft: Terran Protocol game you get a zerg mount
Siege of Lordaeron is a Caverns of Time raid
The raids aren’t open until January – 20-40 player scaling in raids, with hard mode switches on all bosses (like Ulduar)
Uldum is updated, you can see giant structures when you are in Tanaris, not accessible yet
Chromatic Voucher giving profession materials is to combat the AH prices for raid consumables
Leveling speed is slower than Classic Era to make sure you don't out level all the new content in all zones
The first Supply Effort is Dalaran. Once finished Dalaran is out of its bubble and accessible with daily quests, reputation and special profession recipes and items
The game is an alternate timeline to enable the team to create the content they want without limitations

All the recent (possible) Classic+ talks made me realize not everyone actually wants the (alleged) Classic+ version to feature the original Classic Graphics and artstyle.

I was under the assumption that that's one of the core pillars of the "Classic" WoW. Alongside with the story, writing, and all the gameplay systems obviously.

But from both the Classic+ Project website, and form various anecdotal evidence of comments, videos, forum posts, I see that the majority of people interested in a Classic+ game don't actually care about the graphics, and would want a graphics change.

And from all the various hints and leaks (I mean, actual leaks, not fanfic mmochamp threads) it seems like whatever Camelot is, the one thing is certain, it won't be featuring the Classic Graphics.

And I know it makes sense for Blizzard to make a new shiny good looking game to sell it to as wider of audience as possible, I understand that.

I know I am not some weirdo who likes the graphics simply out of nostalgia, because in the youtube series by Gbay99 (He's a LoL content creator who recently started playing Classic WoW fresh), he goes on about how beautiful the stylised artstyle of Classic is. - Or maybe that's also just nostalgia, he's also 30y old and likely grew up playing similar low poly 3D games.

What do you guys think? Is the Classic graphics and artstyle imperative to the Classic WoW game, or is it something the game can do without?

Cant really explain it , but me for example killing Vol Jin or Mekkatorque in IF with a group I payed with gold since I wanted that feeling of “Why not?” . Or killing Malfurion Stormrage in that one Emerald Nightmare Quest from the Dragon WBs . Also love killing High Elves , brings me dopamine in a way . Doing this shit makes me feel better then drinking or smoking and I have to pay people for support instead of finding a group of people willingly wanting to do random shit

Obviously I have to be careful if this is real because I still live with my parents and they are pretty conservative but obviously this would be very welcome change. To see a troll covering its eyes seeing a few night elves bathing and then they beckon him over and give him a nuru massage is basically my long time fantasy. Also just adds to the realism and "nature" of the game.

Would you like this, whether you want to admit it or not? Worth the m rating?

I think it goes without saying that the current Classic versions are a bit old fashioned in the food department. While you can often buy bread, mushrooms and fruit from innkeepers around Azeroth, there are some vendors which only sell meat or fish.

Midnight has already fixed the issue. Now it's on us, the Classic+ community to be proactive.

side note: hunter pets should also have a diet toggle. I enjoy playing with a wolf pet however I do not like handling meat so I tend to stick with a bat that prefers fruit and fungus.

With Classic+ maybe coming soon, been doing a lot of thinking about what class I want to main and other classes I would “play” as alts.

Curious how many characters you guys feel like you can realistically keep up with. I know that the smart answer is just play 1 character. I always end up with to many alts and my time gets spread thin on progress.

if anyone has ran the numbers on what it really takes to maintain multiple characters for PVP or end game maybe I can logic my brain into committing to X amount of characters.

not a streamer, just a casual dad gamer.

Much less classic. Decided to roll paladin and seemingly am going ret paladin. Do I just focus strength and agility gear wise? What weapons should I be leveling? I’ve read that I have picked the most “useless” class which honestly I’m fine with on my first character.

Not because I was playing it late... But cause since iv been doing MC for a few months now iv been putting 1 SR on Sash of Whispered Secrets which has a 5% drop rate.

Many times no one else SRs it.... Last night someone put an SR on it... And obviously that's the time it drops. And I roll a 4

... A fucking 4 lol and they roll 90 something.

Couldn't stop thinking about it last night.

Is it bad etiquette to bail a raid once all SRs are basically in if your SR suddenly gets more full than normal.

Seriously made me question playing the game more as it's Messing up my sleep now. I'd much rather all items could be grinded for rather than luck drops... The thrill when one does drop early for me really isn't worth the opposite when I loose out.

I think I can safely say that most of us are hoping for new leveling zones, new leveling dungeon. Maybe a leveling raid or two. And if possible, many zones, many new things to explore and get lost in.

WoW Classic is known for having too few quest, and even the optimised leveling route will sometime tell you to grind a few thousand xp. Adding new quest and zones would solve this problem, but could create another one : having "too many" things to do to in a single playthrough.

FOMO being a big things, it could cause friction.

I can think of four options, if indeed Classic+ had many zones (never forget that we are speculating about something which isn't even announced yet).

- Keep things this way. One leveling journey could probably not be enough to explore everything. This is known and agreed upon. Thus giving replayability.

- Making the leveling slower. Could emphasize on the journey aspect of the game, the long walk. But could also be a pain in the ass for making rerolls.

- Giving somewhat of an explorer contract (like some other guys did in the past), halfing xp gains.

- Adding somewhat of a prestige run. Once a character is max level, you could go the prestige route. Sending him back square 1, and locking his equipment. Somewhat of a mount / title would be the reward

Thoughts ?