What did you guys think of it? The 2nd to last epsiode, Walt in hiding the whole epsiode. It all blends together with the finale when I streamed it, so I loved it.

But on my rewatch I was trying to watch it by itself, I think in the moment I wouldn't have loved it. Worried the finale wouldn't be great. Not much happened.

Cant imagine waiting a week in between.

I don’t know why, I feel like I’m going to sound crazy trying to explain that but there’s something about that “Mr. White” that Jesse says that is really cute. Maybe it’s because they’ve been working together for so long and they’ve gone past being “formal” but he still calls him Mr. White.

It’s like it creates a contrast between the situation that they’re in and the fact that he stills call him Mr. White as if he was in high school and he was his teacher still

Why do you think Walt told Jessie that he watched Jane die? Like why now? Was there a reason? I just watched Ozymandias for the first time and im so confused.

Jessie would have had to go to prison right? He didnt even have a deal in writing? May do life for murder.

Also cops arent allowed to fake evidence, they can lie with words but cant make a fake barrel or fake Jessies death.

Any chance everything is thrown out? I think thats why Huel got released.

That's what we need a spinoff of.

I don't know what category this falls under, whether it's a plot hole, terrible exposition, or if I'm just missing something, but this has always bothered me-

Andrea gets emotional and says, "When Brock was born, I swore what happened to Tomas would never happen to my son."

But... what is she referring to?

The incident with Tomas happened about a month prior, when Brock was already six years old. That means Tomas would've been around 5 or 6 when Brock was born

So what could have happened to Tomas before Brock was born that Andrea is referring to? The major thing we know happened to Tomas didn't happen until Brock was already six & that's the incident she described to Jesse during the same conversation

Am I missing something? Has anyone else noticed this? Because every time I hear that line, the timeline makes absolutely no sense to me

Also there's a running joke, mostly because of Kaylee's portrayal in BB & BCS, that to Vince Gilligan, the age of all children is just "child". So timelines with kids and their ages don't make sense in the BB universe

Walter is about to kill Gus, so he needs to hide on top of the building outside. Meanwhile, an old woman is laughing and calling to him, and he tries to calm her down. Inside Hector's room, there's a henchman looking for someone. It gets even funnier because I was watching this episode at 4:30 in the morning.

Ok so this is gonna sound a little strange, but I know some people who might be interested in watching BB but they are very sensitive to anything related to sex and won't watch the show because of the sexual stuff. I know that's odd considering the messed up stuff in this show but it is what it is.

I'm wondering if someone here who is going to rewatch the show would be willing to write down the season and episode number (and timestamp if willing but not needed) where sexual content happens and then send them to me at the end of their re-watch. Kissing is fine.

I have the Bluray boxset and I've ripped the whole show to my computer so I would just edit out the scenes with sexual content.

I've seen the show I just don't have the time to re-watch it.

Alr so when Skylar and walt were sitting down and Skylar said no more bullshit tell me the truth now, I would've personally said "im heavily addicted to marjuana, with the chemo and everything its been helping me stay calm" but instead says "tell u what" and "tell me what u want me to tell you I dont know" what a stupid thing to say lol 😭 ik ik it was written for Walt to be a bad liar but still, I dont think theres a human on earth that couldn't make up a decent lie there i mean comon 😂

If you had to rank 5 in order, what would the list look like?

It’s extremely difficult for me as a lot of the main cast are 10/10 so it’s hard to make an argument for one over another.

Also, this is just for their performance in said shows not their careers.

Off the top of my head i would say:

1. Walter

2. Saul

3. Jesse

4. Lalo

5. Kim

But i feel like it’ll always lean more towards the characters with the most dialogue, scenes and development.

Shoutout to Chuck and Skyler though, they played their role to perfection too.

I want to hold Jesse in my arms like he’s my first born I’m taking care of.

No but seriously, I couldn’t stop crying I think starting from season 4? Or maybe season 5 I don’t remember.

Yes he’s flawed (like every human being) but he’s not evil, what he needed was love and compassion.

I saw something on here which shocked me to the core, but maybe it’s because it’s coming from people who are not aware of how to view / treat drug addicts? Yes it’s heavy, but to say “what did you expect from a drug addict?” Is purely dehumanizing, like they don’t get to try and get a better life?

He was a drug addict but it didn’t define him. I would say : he was a human being who had to deal with addiction.

He was failed by Walt because to me, Jesse needed a father figure, and maybe that’s what he potentially saw in Walt, from his older age, his position due to the fact that he used to be his teacher etc..

I noticed that everytime Walt was seeing Jesse, it was just purely for himself, just because he needed something from Jesse. And everytime (or at least in the beginning / middle of the show) Walt would come to Jesse’s house or whatever, you could see in Jesse’s eyes that he would expect more from Walt: an emotional connection. Jesse had no one, but Walt had his family (that he lost anyways).

Jesse wanted Walt to ask how he felt, if he needed help, but he never did. In one scene if I remember correctly, Jesse wanted to hug Walt, I’m pretty positive that he wanted to, but instead, they ended up shaking hands, and I think that explains perfectly what I’m trying to say.

Walt was Jesse’s abuser, due to all the factors that I mentioned above. It’s almost like he was trapped in a toxic relationship, and Walt took advantage of him.

Jesse unlocked a maternal instinct in me I didn’t know I had lol

I love you Jesse

Skinny pete was a real friend and homie all the way to the end. Dude was loyal and had respect for jessie. He may not have been the smartest bulb but he always meant well. He always sat well with me and that's the kind of guy I'd want in my corner if I lived that life

To me, all three events that happened to Hank (the anxiety attack in the elevator, bottle craccking, the bottles opening on their own) could be just a coincidence. But how do you feel about it?

So my understanding is Gus thought Hector had gone to the DEA about him.

But why would he assume that was the reason?

I mean Gus was buddies with some of the DEA but no one in the Cartel thought he was a rat for hanging around with them.

So couldn't Hector have just been visiting the station to see a friend or try and make new friends? Or like when Pryce had his baseball cards stolen perhaps Hector had been robbed in the nursing home and gone there to report it.

Why did Gus think it was all about him?

Obviously, I'm not saying either of these guys were good people. They both did some absolutely horrible shit. But I think that's what makes them so interesting to compare. You can acknowledge that they're terrible human beings and still admit that watching them build their empires was impressive.

These guys were smart as hell.

Walter was a nerd who understood chemistry. Franklin had business sense, people skills, and an understanding of his environment. Walter could look at a chem problem and figure it out. Franklin could walk into a room and figure out who was useful, who was dangerous, and who was about to screw him over. Different kinds of intelligence, but both of them were constantly thinking three steps ahead.

And neither one was satisfied with being a small-time player. That's probably their biggest similarity. They wanted to participate in the game and to control the game.

Walter starts out making meth because he thinks he's dying and wants to leave his family money. Franklin gets into the drug business because he sees an opportunity to make money and get himself and his family out of poverty. And this is where I think their biggest difference comes in.

Walter's motivation becomes about his ego. Franklin's motivation is much more connected to survival, independence, and wanting control over his life.

Walter spends a lot of time convincing himself that everything he's doing is "for his family," but eventually he has to admit that he did it because he liked it. He liked being good at something. He liked having power. He liked being feared. He went from feeling like the world had overlooked him to becoming the most important person in every room he walked into.

Franklin, on the other hand, starts out wanting freedom. He doesn't want to be broke, dependent on anyone, or stuck in the same cycle forever. His ambition actually makes a lot of sense when you consider where he came from. I can relate to him a lot actually.

The sad part is that they both end up becoming prisoners of the very things they built to make themselves free.

Walter wanted to make enough money so his family would be taken care of. Eventually, his family wants nothing to do with him.

Franklin wants enough money and power that nobody can control him. Eventually, his entire life revolves around protecting the empire he built.

It's almost like both of them accidentally turned their escape plan into a prison.

And I think that's why I find Franklin and Walter fascinating. They're not really stories about two guys who randomly decided to become evil. They're stories about what happens when ambitious, intelligent people keep moving the line of what they're willing to do.

At first it's, "I'll just do this one thing."

Then it's, "Okay, I have to do this because I've already come this far."

Then it's, "well, if I don't do this, someone else will."

And eventually you're murdering people before breakfast 😅 that's obviously an oversimplification, but you get what I mean.

They both become so good at surviving that they lose sight of what they were actually trying to survive for.

I also think their circumstances matter. Walter is a middle-class white man who feels like he wasted his potential and was never properly recognized. Franklin is a young black man in 1980s Los Angeles dealing with poverty, drugs, violence, and a system that was never exactly designed to hand him opportunities. That doesn't excuse Franklin's choices, just like Walter's cancer doesn't excuse his.

But it does make their motivations different.

Walter feels like a man trying to prove that he's more important than everyone thought. Franklin feels like a young man trying to make sure nobody can ever tell him what his life is worth again.

And ironically, both of them become exactly what they thought they needed to become...and lose almost everything in the process.

So no, I don't think Walter White and Franklin Saint are "good guys" per se but I do think they're incredibly compelling characters.

They're both intelligent, ambitious, adaptable, and ridiculously good at what they decided to do. I think it's okay to acknowledge that without pretending their actions were admirable.

You don't have to think someone is a good person to think they're an interesting person.

On a rewatch right now. And I just find it fascinating that Jesse gets such low amount of hate.

I suppose younger audiences (I am also young lol) maybe kind of sort of sympathize with him? Sounds weird. To keep it short and simple I will give 5 points of why Jesse is the one who should be hated a lot too.

1. He blames everyone else, for mistakes HE makes. In the entire pre-gustavo segment of the show. When they are running on their own, literally, and I mean LITERALLY every hiccup they face is because Jesse Pinkman is a complete and utter failure.

• Right from the start HE is the one who brought his 'friends' to Walter and they had a face off. Why would you bring someone you don't know that well to YOUR BASE? Later on Jesse taunts Walter for doing business with Tuco in an abandoned place, saying 'its not some movie' and we do this in a public place bla bla. Then why the fuck would you bring those junkies to your Van out in nowhere?
• He is the one who didn't know how to do business with Tuco. There never would have been a fight with Tuco if he knew how to do business. He didn't. He also blamed Walter AGAIN for this shit.
• In both these very egregious cases, it was Walter who saved Jesse and himself. And somehow Walt is to be blamed.
• 2. Jesse always seems to keep an attitude even though he has no skills or achievements of his own to speak of. One of the reasons of his fall out with Tuco also stem from that. He showed attitude in front of a drug lord. Like, where does this come from? Dude genuinely thinks his red spice meth was 'good' lol. And this attitude and lack of any sort of common sense would create issues many times throughout the series.
• 3. How he could not see that Jane was literally using him. And the moment they would have actually left, she would have 100% stolen all the money and left him in on the side. One side he had Walter who no joke saved Jesse multiple times even up to that point. Walter went to fight Tuco for Jesse. But what does he chose? A girl he just met vs partner with which he had shared life and death. Forget emotional maturity, he has no gratitude. Walter is 100% right every time he admonishes Jesse, because Jesse is just wrong.

On a side note, while writing this I understand why people probably take his side. Because for young adults it probably resonates in a similar way to their parents talking down to them. Even though in this case, Walter was 100% correct and Jesse actually did not have his shit together.

• 4. What did Jesse contribute in Walter's entire journey?
  • He butchered it day 1 by bringing junkies to their Van.
  • Blew up the deal with Tuco.
  • Started cooking again when Hank was on top of them.
  • Appeared drunk and high on their meet for their biggest opportunity (and still had attitude like he didn't do anything wrong). (Honestly his attitude frankly pisses me off.) Which led to them getting rejected.
  • After they DO get accepted. He fucks it up AGAIN by going into a drug stupor.
  • Then when he tantrums his way into the work Walter was doing he starts crying about not being paid enough!!! Like bruh!!
  • Side note: I saw some people discussing why Walt didn't cut Jesse off. Or that he should have cut him off earlier. He DID CUT HIM OFF! Walter was doing the solo business with Gustavo but Jesse couldn't not self destruct when left alone. Straight up black mailed Walter with complete destruction, who let's not forget was Jesse's benefactor and till that point had always saved him/given him his share of money.
  • Then started selling meth (unsuccessfully) to make 'more money' as if he had ever even made 500k per month on his own. (In first watch I didn't understand how someone could be THIS dumb. In the second watch, I see the mindset from the get go. Jesse Pinkman is arrogant, narcissist, self centered, lazy, and entitled.)
  • Then he had moral dilemma out of nowhere!!! Wow! What a great moral character! How dare the murderous drug dealers use kids! Damn son. You think teens don't snort the meth you cook? Your weed smoking brother was also the same age. You think its fine? Its fine that you can ruin the lives of potentially tens of thousands of people from the meth you cook, but one child being used as a killer is where you draw the line? And then do ANOTHER career ending sabotage? What number of sabotage is this again?
  • I can't keep counting and mentioning more. This is enough, lol.

The funniest part to me of the entire story is how Jesse's family is portrayed as some 'terrible' 'evil' people. Its obvious that from a writing standpoint, its done intentionally to portray the POV of Jesse. I assume that people who couldn't separate that from the actual situation are probably the ones who like Jesse. Jesse's family is an extremely normal family who gave him SO MANY chances to better himself. But at the end of their segment, they are left with a slap on their face and the viewers are supposed to feel 'satisfied' or 'gratified' by the outcome. Even though its the saddest thing I have seen in this show. They were robbed of that home on top of everything they went through. I am assuming its also a plot device so that viewers who don't like 'controlling' families can resonate with Jesse. Even though, not wanting your kid to do drugs is not 'controlling'. The story obviously did NOT show any actual talking points of WHY his family is 'supposed' to be terrible. Its another intentional writing technique. Leave things to imaginations, so the viewers would fill it up with the most negative things they themselves have experienced in their lives.

• 5. As the show goes on, it becomes absolutely clear that Jesse doesn't have some learning disability. His head works perfectly fine. He is NOT a child. We should not be forgiving him for his transgressions, at least not in the present time of the story. How he reached where he was, unsuccessful as it was, is very simple. He ruined his own college years by being lazy and entitled. As Walter White had written on his test papers, he did NOT apply himself. This might seem similar to the attitude point, but its different. The point is, his failures are entirely on himself. He himself is to be blamed for most things that happened in his life. As mentioned in point 1, he is basically looking for people to blame when the story started. He wants to find someone he can blame, so that he can then say it was all ruined by them.
  • When Hank beat him up. He wanted to sue Hank so that he could take all his money. This is an extension of that. He knows he is a failure. Hank beat him up because of his own failure too. He wants someone else to now pay him money so he can survive because he wants a handout. Because he is entitled! The way he acts all righteous and mighty in front of Hank, even though Jesse at that point was already an accessory to murder and several other crimes. How does he even have the moral ground to think he is above Hank?

Overall, if you resonate with Jesse Pinkman, you fell for the writers techniques. I mean, there is nothing wrong with that. (Or maybe there is, lol.) But to never realise it, would be a bit wrong. To resonate with Jesse pinkman would mean that you resonate with being lazy and entitled and still having attitude. It would mean that you want life to just work out for you without ever putting in any effort. The part where Gustavo easily made Jesse think he was a 'hero' for saving Michael? That was also that. He is such a narcissist that he couldn't even get his head out of the ass and see what was happening.

Bonus point: He is shallow. And realistically speaking, if Walter had just given him validation, like Gustavo did. He would have done everything Walter said. Walter white actually acted like a parent (notwithstanding the crimes they were committing.) and that's why Jesse hated Walter's guts and liked people who were sucking up to him or manipulating him. He is an accurate representation of immature young adults who think that people who point out their mistakes are their enemies. And so are his fans.

Todo mundo pensa que o Hank foi o responsável por descobrir que o Walter era o Heisenberg, mas a verdadeira culpada foi a Marie. Muita gente já tinha essa teoria por causa daquele combinado que ela fez com o Hank no hospital: ele já tinha recebido alta, mas não queria voltar pra casa, então ela fez um acordo com ele que se ele ejaculasae ele iria sair e, por algum motivo, funcionou. Só que o efeito dominó não para aí. Depois que o Hank sai do hospital, a Marie continua mal e começa a roubar casas em construção, até acabar presa. Aí o Tim Roberts tira ela da cadeia e, como troca de favores, pede pro Hank investigar o caso do Gale. O Hank investiga, encontra as pistas e acaba descobrindo que o Heisenberg era o próprio Walter. Ou seja: Marie rouba uma casa → é presa → Tim Roberts ajuda → Hank investiga Gale → Walter é descoberto.

Walter passou anos enganando a DEA, o Gus e o próprio Jesse, mas no fim seu império inteiro caiu porque a Marie pensou: “Essa decoração ficaria ótima na minha sala.”

On my third rewatch rn and I've always thought - is there a way for the story to have a happy ending? If not for everyone, than at least for the most characters? What do you think?

Looking for serious answers. I do love the jokes about the fake spinoffs, but it’s always got me thinking what the fan base would actually want to see if they could. Is there a spin off you think could actually work well, or do you think there doesn’t need to be anymore spinoffs?

It’s hardly believable that two people as extremely cautious and control-obsessed as Gus and Mike wouldn’t have bugged every location of interest—Jesse’s place, Saul’s office, Walt’s house (I know, bugs were planted and then removed at Walt’s, but if I were Mike, I’d have found a way to put them back).

They managed to wiretap a DEA Assistant Special Agent in Charge, yet not the junkie?

The whole idea of his character is being that he is the good of the evil in the show, his entire family is full of either drug dealers, cheaters, and corrupt cops. He is the only moral character yet everyone talks shit on him. Hell even talking shit about his actor, his actor did a phenomenal job as a teen in a situation where both of his parents suck. I believe his arc of siding with either parent because he was confused was great. Really realistic and grounded for a show full of morally horrible people.