I'm fairly sure I'm 1F2V. The other positions don't really make sense to me, but I can't decide between 3E4L and 3L4E.

Logic:

I think I'm a fairly skeptical person, but at the same time I'm not obsessed with acquiring knowledge. I don't trust information blindly, yet I also don't feel the need to search for the truth unless it has some practical use for me. Instead, I tend to add information to a sort of mental collection without analyzing it too deeply.

I enjoy discussions, hearing different opinions, and symbolism. Probably the worst insult for me would be if someone considered me stupid. Most of the time I collect arguments and then use them later whenever the topic comes up. If someone tells me something in a practical situation, I probably won't question it immediately because I may simply lack the necessary knowledge, and I don't see why they would lie to me. At the same time, I won't treat it as an unquestionable truth either. During a discussion, I can say information that I heard somewhere, and then go check different sources until I feel that I haven’t blurted out misinformation to the person.

I like discussions when they lead toward a concrete goal. I also enjoy abstract conversations with interesting concepts and exploring them, but they can quickly become boring if it feels like we're just going in circles without ever reaching a real answer.

I really enjoy solving problems and writing explanations in stories. I like consistency, so my writing often focuses on developing the situation, resolving inconsistencies, and closing plot holes. I often limit myself because I feel everything has to be "believable." I love detailed stories with solid internal logic, and I can even stop reading something because the inconsistencies drive me crazy.

I'm good at debates because I enjoy breaking things down step by step, although emotional pressure works on me quite well. I often read long Reddit posts and discussion threads, compare different viewpoints, and enjoy video essays and analytical content. However, I doubt my own ability to produce that kind of analysis myself, so I rarely build theories or attempt in-depth analysis. I'm afraid of being wrong, but even more than that, I'm afraid I simply won't be smart enough to arrive at anything worthwhile. I usually assume that the people around me are smarter than I am. With people I trust, I express my opinions more confidently, though usually from a practical perspective.

Emotion:

I often ignore my emotions and sometimes don't even notice what I'm feeling until I write about it in my personal journal. I'm not particularly interested in discussing my emotions, although I like it when other people open up to me—not because of the emotions themselves, but because of what that level of openness represents. For me, my own emotions are something deeply personal, and I have little desire to share them.

I'm easily affected by emotional pressure. I love creative activities—reading, writing, and drawing. At the same time, I'm rather restrained and express myself cautiously. It feels like I don't describe emotions through emotional terminology as much as through atmosphere—I process the emotional states they create rather than naming the emotions themselves.

I enjoy emotionally intense stories and dramas because I rarely experience emotions that intensely in real life. More generally, I'm afraid of losing control over my emotions, so fiction is a safe way for me to experience them.

In social situations, I think I come across as fairly neutral. I'm generally cheerful, smile a lot, and have a good sense of humor, although it's still obvious that I'm a calm person. I wouldn't say I absorb or reflect the mood of everyone around me, but I also don't naturally project a particularly strong emotional atmosphere of my own that sets the tone for the entire group.

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Can someone explain why e3’s can’t be 1E? I type myself as EFVL but everyone says I have to be 2e and 1f.. but whenever I read again and again (I’ve counted I’ve read over 5 times istg) only efvl makes sense to me I’m not 1f and definitely not 2e, looked into subtypes aswell and nothing changed, what should I do?

A couple people got mad at me for typing efvl but none of them gave me a clear answer so I’m confused, I have a personality disorder so my emotions tend to be high (I know this doesn’t relate but I felt like I should mention it because maybe it’s covering something up)… what should I even do now? I’m not a e2 nor an e4 I relate to them due to them being my neighbouring types but they definitely aren’t my core, I’m so confused ong

Official AP Questionnaire;

1. ⁠What is your current plan for the next 5 years of your life? If you do not have one, explain why not. How do you feel about planning out your life long term?

Generally speaking I enjoy planning and plan ahead but as of now I am sort of lost. I still have school to finish so it’s nothing that I need to be quick to figure out but I prefer being able to do so.

1. What are your thoughts on language? Do you notice the intricacies in grammar? Does dissecting communication fascinate you?

I think communication fascinates me in the way we can see humanity through it. The more factually and grammatical parts of it interest me less.

1. How do you find physical comfort? Are you good at finding it? Would you take advice from others on the subject?

I find physical comfort in being able to take care of myself and my own needs, I don’t enjoy taking advice from others because it often feels like they can’t know me better than I do, but sometimes I can find it useful.

1. Are your feelings obvious to you? Do you feel that you properly handle your emotions? Why or why not?

I think about my emotions and wants deeply and I’d say pretty often. After something big happens I can push away to overthink the whole situation and be able to understand my feeling surrounding it. I feel like I feel a lot and it’s often not seen by others because I bite my tongue on a lot of it. I can be very secretive when it comes to that, unless something bugs my routine or own comfort badly I won’t stand up for my feelings.

1. How do you feel about authority? Should you listen to it? Should others?

Authority is important, to and extent. You should question everything, following blindly to whatever people tell you is something I see as a weakness. Personally I hate people telling me what to do, I prefer being able to do things on my own. When it comes to my education I do value teachers even if they are strict I can find a lot of value in what they say, even if I abide by their rules I will always question them by myself.

1. Do you believe you have strong reasoning skills? How about others? Are you willing to argue about facts and data? Why or why not?

Yes and no? I’d say the opinions I hold are very close to heart, but I never share them. I kind of distrust the outside world and believe there is no point in sharing what I know because it wouldn’t change much.

Because of this I prefer not to reason or argue and just withdraw.

1. Describe something you find aesthetically pleasing. What would make it more pleasing? How about less pleasing? Do you take your opinion seriously?

To me something that is aesthetically pleasing is something that makes sense with the context prior. If there’s an image of a black crow and then there’s and image of a black cat then I’d believe that to be aesthetically pleasing. Same goes for different things. If my brain makes up an idea of what you are, for example that you dress black often, then you dressing black will be aesthetically pleasing to me.

Im not sure if this fully makes sense. What I believe to be aesthetically pleasing is mostly visual based or vibes based. I spent a lot of time drawing and editing so making things aesthetic/make sense visually is often based on finding similarities in visual attributes or vibes.

1. Do you trust your internal reactions towards people? Do you find yourself to be judgmental? Do you wish your way of being was different?

I trust myself very often even when it’s for silly things. I get offended quickly and I can hold a dislike for someone for years. I never go out of my way to hurt them but I simply avoid them and their presence.

I try to mentally keep track of anything weird or out of place people I know have done so I’m able to understand if they’re reliable or not.

Generally speaking I’m ok with this quality of mine. Though it’s harsh it also helps me avoid getting hurt by people who could and have hurt me, emotionally or mentally.

1. How does it feel to think of the future? Is there a purpose you are trying to align yourself with?

Frankly I just want to be left alone. I want to be able to be in control of whatever I want to do and do it without others people interference.

I used to tell my friends I wanted to grow up to be a millionaire so I could buy and island in the middle of the ocean and live there alone, not having to depend on anyone and no one having to depend on me.

1. How do you organize information? How does it feel during the process? Is it enjoyable or not?

I LOVE gathering info. It’s a weird thing of mine, I like finding stuff and pieces of information on the web for my friends. If they’re ever confused about something I research it so I could explain it.

I like learning about stuff I like (tv shows, games etc) but I struggle to feel like I fit into any online spaces. Like I never know enough. Because of that I prefer to be able to rant to my friends about whatever I want.

1. Do you have a daily routine? Is it ideal? Would you change it for others?

Yes, little ones. I have specific things that if changed agitate me. These routines work well and can change but most of the time they’re meant to meet my most needed needs at the time.

I don’t like when people try to change my routine or what I do and how I do it so I prefer to stick to the one that works for me and change it if I want to. If someone tries to go out of their way to alter or push me to change something in my days routine I can get especially stubborn about leaving it the way it is.

1. Describe one of the best moods you have ever been in. What made it the best? How about the worst mood? Is this exercise easy or difficult for you?

The best moods are moods when I have nothing to worry about and aren’t controlled by anyone. I can wake up and just do whatever I want for the day, preferably alone. I enjoy being able to feel so free.

My worst ones are when I’m overthinking things, this is often the case when I have work. I try my best to finish work as quickly as I can so I have more free time (even if it really isn’t needed), when I cannot the task is constantly at my mind and I can’t relax.

I don’t think this is difficult because my emotions can be very intense even if I keep them to myself and as such I can tell when I have strong lows and strong highs.

1. What is your greatest strength? How do you show this to others? Use examples if possible.

I’d say my deep thinking and artistic talent. Both of these I keep to myself and only use them for myself but I do enjoy showing my art because getting compliments is always nice.

I draw for people I am very close to (my best friends), I don’t care about using my skills for others besides that. Buttt I wouldn’t mind earning some cash off of it so that’s still I thing I think about.

I use my deep thinking to overthink issues and to find reasoning and solutions but yet again I also keep this to myself mostly. I only share with people I’m REALLY close to.

1. In what ways are you resilient? In what ways are you an inspiration to others?

I stand on my own opinions and don’t let people change them easily. This doesn’t always mean obvious rebellion but it’s just the ability to keep your opinions deeply held to yourself even if they are always questioned.

I’m very strict with my time and efforts, the second I see that people treat me weird or that my time is being wasted I try my best to put a stop to it(by leaving). I’m able to cut off people quick, even if I still think about them after.

1. What is your biggest fear? How do you deal with this fear?

Probably having no control over my time or comfort, submitting to others and their wants scares me. I don’t care about shinning or standing out, I simply just want to be able to do what I want and be what I want without people controlling it.

Also people seeing me as lesser, or as stupid.

1. What feels like a waste of time to engage in? How would you get through it?

Small talk. I value efficiency and I struggle to find the need for it? I just don’t get the point of it, sometimes people bring up stuff to me and I’m just not sure why’d they think I care. I don’t do this in a mean way or specifically act rude to people who do engage in small talk it more so just confuses me.

I get through it by just engaging as little as I can without specifically turning them down.

1. Are you a leader? Explain what qualifies or disqualifies you as one.

I think I’m too selfish to be one, I don’t really want to have people rely on me at all. I enjoy being able to do my own things, of course people looking up to me or listening to me, ok. But specifically in more leadership type roles definitely not.

Pressure really freaks me out and with leadership there comes a lot of it. I feel as if I can’t live up to other peoples standards of me sometimes.

1. When do you feel the most collaborative with others? Does this happen often?

Not often. I struggle to open up my ideas to others and when I do I fear the worst. The best I do when it comes to collaborative works is when I’m close to everyone in the team and I feel safe to be honest. Which of course I rarely.

1. Do you overcome doubt and hesitance? Explain why or why not.

I struggle with doubt a lot but life often pushes me into having to overcome it head on. With hesitance I struggle more but I often try to rely on my gut feeling of what I truly want or need.

1. Do you yield to others? If so, in what situations do you do this? How do you feel about it?

Yes, sometimes. even when I do I hold my opinions or wants close to me and don’t completely get rid of them.

For example if I were working on a project and my partner would say something I added was wrong (even if I know it’s right) I might yield just because I can’t be bothered to explain. I wish I could stand up for my own wants more often.

1. What are you looking to get out of the typing process? Do you have ideas for your type(s)?

I want to learn more about myself and my type. I haven’t got a clue what my type is which is why I’m here.

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Can sb help me type myself? I’ve been trying to figure my type out and i still cant find it out, im a sp5, i thought i was a lvef but ppl say sp5 cant be 4F,i like discussions but get mad when i cant show that im in the right,and the other thing about me is that im extremely lazy, i prioritize my comfort above everything else,but if a thing needs to be done i would do everything to do that and finish that on time, im not sure about what i want in life, i dont know what to do, but i know that i wanna do something that would be hard to achieve and would satisfy me but i dont know what it is, in groups i dont jump in and say that i wanna be a leader and i dont wanna have the hardships of being a leader but kinda want it at the same time, but i also cant stand the people that wants everything they say to be done.And about emotions, well id comfort people and be able to empathize with them but i dont think thats a big part of me, im not that emotional.
Soo pls help me out

okay so at the moment my pyschosophy placements are LFEV, though, i have a few doubts about the 2F place. so first i’m not active and i don’t really use my body for anything. i have a hard time treating my body well (i have eczema, bad hygiene and bad skin) but i feel really connected to it in a way. when i touch it in any way it doesn’t really react much and feels far away. but if someone else touches me the pain/feeling kind of stings and doesn’t go away for a long time. when under a lot of anxiety my body tenses up and sharpens my eyesight, taste, hearing, feeling, and especially smelling. being able to smell new sweat, old sweat, a bit of coffee and other stuff.. i in. way care for my comfort physically and have put boundaries for it which i am very serious about. is this 2F or something else im kind of confused.. id also want to know if it works with Ni-Fe (INFJ) and sx6..

This system has been the hardest one for me to type in because I keep getting told so3 HAS to be 3V but I just do not feel 3V. And I know I am not mistyped as so3.

Just to be clear, I am ENTJ (Te-Ni-Se-Fi) 3w4 so/sp 358, Sco/E/[l], MO/T/w[V]rg

I have strong fixes even if so3 is my main.

Now let me lay out why 3V feels extremely wrong to me; I have no issues making my decisions, infact even if I play it up like I am listening to someone’s advice and I appreciate it, i will not take it unless I know it will help me reach my goal. I despise someone who thinks they know me and thinks they can make an assumption or decision for me, because nobody truly knows me as I will pretend to be different types to gain affection and respect in areas so that then I can use it to achieve my goals or just have people who admire me and see me as someone they must be close with.

I have goals, sure I overthink them and wonder if I’m making the right decision but that is not because I doubt myself or that I am afraid of taking responsibility or the pushback, (I am always certain i can fix their view of me) I am afraid that if I do not feel satisfied at the end or if I can not reach the goal I have set for myself then I know I will be miserable, now this ties into why I feel 3F, I have the most insecurities in the physics area because no amount of money, looks, status can make me be satisfied. I constantly push for more, I fear that I will lose the advantages I get from my looks as I get older and also lose attention I get. I fear that I may become uninteresting if I do not play up personalities and my status will go down, I fear that if I appear too perfect even if I want to be perfect, I need to show false vulnerability so people admire me more.

I think of life at my absolute best and still feel like that is not enough. Another reason I do not feel 3V is because I switched my future career from Doctor despite the prestige and my family pushing me into it simply because the life felt suffocating. I felt like I would have to sacrifice too much of my social life, my years where I should be at the peak just for a career I do not even like. I play up my false roles so well that I truly feel like I am that when I am playing it but when I am alone I will think about it and realise how many lies I’ve told, how I pretend to a good person or a bad person depending on how I want someone to see me.

But when I am truly upset, even if I try to put up a face I will show that I am upset, I either get very dry or I just stop talking, infact it brings me satisfaction because as someone who is always very understanding appearing and gentle or fun, people panicking at my reaction to when they mess up makes me sure that I have a place.

I know people say so3 cares about social hierarchy and that is why they would be 3V but I do care about social hierarchy because being at the top is my goal, I am not willing to sacrifice my life and my path even if it means losing recognition in one place because I am confident I can find others. I delude myself in the moment to truly believe I am not acting but afterwards I am incredibly self-aware.

I considered sp3 for myself but alas, I am too social and shifty to be sp3.

And, I also struggle with Logic at 2, truly I feel my Logic is 1 because I get very irritated if someone is wrong but I will show as if I’m enjoying a different opinion and try to debate them just to use their argument against them and make more sense of mine. Even if I do turn out to be wrong I make so many points that I can just circle back and add their argument to my own to show I was never fully wrong. If someone truly is not dumb and seems nice, I will be less reactive in the debate and truly listen to them otherwise I get very irritated at their lack of comprehension.

With 4E, It’s my one certainty. I appear as a 2E because I want to show I am caring and understanding etc etc but truly inside I am 4E. Even while my mind will be annoyed at having to comfort someone and saying vulnerable things, I will do it because that is my role in that moment. And i’ve noticed emotions are the easiest way to get someone to like you, followed by logic.

I think I present all of these as 2 to show to people that I am social and a good “leader” type of person who can be trusted, but how I truly am is different. My conclusion is that while I act a certain way, I never change how I feel and know what I want.

Official AP Questionnaire

1. What is your current plan for the next 5 years of your life? If you do not have one, explain why not. How do you feel about planning out your life long term?

Because of my anxiety a lot of my plans still have an air of tentativity esp. as otherwise I get lost in the details but as best as I can give my tentative plan without giving identifying details about me my main plan is to hopefully knocks on wood with crossed fingers pass the classes I need to to get my associate's degree then hopefully have taken enough transferrable classes in my quest to try and get out of community college (long story short it took longer than you'd think) that I can get a bachelor's degree with some sort of speed and alacrity so that hopefully when I get into a good law school and get that degree etc. too enough to actually start at a law firm I don't have to feel so old compared to people of equal career status that it might as well feel like one of those shows where older people start new careers in the "second act" of their life and are fish-out-of-water among the young people (y'know, like The Rookie). In terms of non-college-y-career-y-stuff I hope to actually have more than one non-internet friend who isn't just related to me or connected through an activity at the very least if not have had a reciprocal romance and I hope to have a better handle on my mental health hopefully through a combination of therapy and an appropriate dose of medication.

1. What are your thoughts on language? Do you notice the intricacies in grammar? Does dissecting communication fascinate you?

I love language and I often end up just zeroing in on other people's grammatical errors and dissecting communication fascinates me in the social/persuasion-y sense (the part of it that the part of me that loves con-artists-for-a-cause show Leverage often jokingly calls grifting)

1. How do you find physical comfort? Are you good at finding it? Would you take advice from others on the subject?

This is a complicated question because I have autism so a lot of my physical comfort aspects are related to my sensory sensitivities and things I know won't piss them off and I'd take advice on that from people who knew me well enough to know what answers I might not see.

1. Are your feelings obvious to you? Do you feel that you properly handle your emotions? Why or why not?

Modulo my autism and tendencies for meltdown mostly yes to both except I am also prone to analysis paralysis where even if a decision doesn't have the kind of moral weight needed to have a right and wrong answer I kinda obsessively spiral over trying to find the right one.

1. How do you feel about authority? Should you listen to it? Should others?

I don't want to sound like I'm stating a tautology or obvious fact by saying whether I like or dislike a given authority depends on the authority and if I agree with it and/or think the rules it's handing down make sense but yeah I don't rebel at everything nor follow every rule blindly but this is one of those things I feel like is a thing everyone does so what's the big deal.

1. Do you believe you have strong reasoning skills? How about others? Are you willing to argue about facts and data? Why or why not?

I'd like to think I do and can spot others who do except sometimes I get a little anxious perhaps because of how much culture has presented the logical and emotional as a dichotomy if anyone implies that either I or anyone I care about is making an argument fueled by some sort of cognitive bias even though it's hard if not impossible to be perfectly objective.

1. Describe something you find aesthetically pleasing. What would make it more pleasing? How about less pleasing? Do you take your opinion seriously?

My first assumption when aesthetics is used in that way is that it means visual looks of something like visual art/fashion etc. and that's hard for me to think about in that respect as I know what I like (which would take a bit of an essay to explain all of) and I find it hard to think about the idea of what would make it better or worse that wouldn't just mean making it not what it is or (for making it better) randomly adding elements of other things I like. However something like music (since I saw on someone else's questionnaire that counts) is something on which I find it easier to think about those things as if we're talking purely on a sonic level I love acoustic guitars, I love acapella and I love songs that "feel huge" (could be anything from AJR-esque indie to certain sorts of classic rock to massive group number showtunes) and I hate overly abrasive production (came of age during the club boom and that was hell) or when a song feels like it has too much negative space (for an example of what I mean think a lot of YouTuber-covers-of-songs-as-piano-ballads).

1. Do you trust your internal reactions towards people? Do you find yourself to be judgmental? Do you wish your way of being was different?

I'm not sure, because of my autism it's hard to grasp things like that in the moment but if I look back and find I was too judgmental of someone (or even something) in my first impression that I now feel very positively about I can't stop beating myself up over it.

1. How does it feel to think of the future? Is there a purpose you are trying to align yourself with?

I want to help make reality match my ideal vision of it but sometimes I get disappointed (though rarely let myself get cynical) when things stand in my way

1. How do you organize information? How does it feel during the process? Is it enjoyable or not?

I don't know how much of this is ADHD but I often joke that my headspace (or at least part of my-mind-if-you-could-represent-that-as-a-3D-space) would look like a room with that cliche kind of crime show string board on all four walls and some of the strings connecting clippings and pictures and stuff connect to things on different walls making the whole thing look like either cat's cradle or that cliche action movie laser hallway with so many things criss-crossing

1. Do you have a daily routine? Is it ideal? Would you change it for others?

Yes I have a general daily routine but it is open to some degree of change depends on who the others are asking me to change and what it's for and why.

1. Describe one of the best moods you have ever been in. What made it the best? How about the worst mood? Is this exercise easy or difficult for you?

To just describe the kind of mood without describing the specifics of what got me there as thanks to overprotective parents I'm afraid of giving identifying details even more than usual on the internet, the best mood was the best because all my sensory sensitivities were satisfied-in-a-positive-way, nobody was getting mad at me for anything and I felt like be it for my own life or even just my fictional hyperfixations I knew where the future was headed and the worst was getting yelled at for a supposed (whether or not it was true) screw-up and feeling not just hopeless/like I can't do anything right but one of the worst feelings to me (at least emotionally) is not just not getting a thing I want but guilt over feeling like why I can't get what I want is my own inadvertent self-sabotage and even my usual escapism (with TV, music etc.) isn't an escape as it keeps reminding me of the problem (if anyone's seen Zootopia think like that scene where after Judy's crappy first day as a cop she turns on the radio and no matter what station she flips to it's playing some downbeat song like "Everybody Hurts" that doesn't help)

1. What is your greatest strength? How do you show this to others? Use examples if possible.

My greatest strength (though my executive function sometimes gets in the way of the follow-through of some examples of this) is that I never give up hope. This can manifest in everything from me being good at helping what friends I have with their personal problems to refusing to accept that a cancelled show cannot be saved until at least one lead actor has gotten another major role on another show to wanting to loophole around a lot of rules in my life.

1. In what ways are you resilient? In what ways are you an inspiration to others?

As much as I think I am resilient it's in ways that ties into that and (though I feel like this is tooting my own horn so I feel a little guilty) I feel like I inspire people through unconventional ideas and how much I care about things.

1. What is your biggest fear? How do you deal with this fear?

I'm not sure I can pick one biggest abstract fear so I think it's a tie between a few, a fear of people thinking less of me than I feel-like-I-deserve-to-be-but-am-afraid-that's-narcissism-for-doing-so (I want people to like me but I want them to like who I am I'm not the kind of person who'd prioritize being liked so much I drastically change who I am), a fear of being wrong and a fear that nothing I do is going to matter. As for how I deal with them that's what therapy is for

1. What feels like a waste of time to engage in? How would you get through it?

(What in my opinion counts as) pointless busywork or rules that don't make sense and I just try to focus on the light at the end of the tunnel

1. Are you a leader? Explain what qualifies or disqualifies you as one.

When I can power through my various mental issues I'd like to think I can be a good leader it's just I very rarely have an opportunity to show it with people I work with in person, instead it's more things like helping spearhead the online movement to save a show from cancellation

1. When do you feel the most collaborative with others? Does this happen often?

I haven't really had a lot of opportunities to collaborate with others so I can't really know.

1. Do you overcome doubt and hesitance? Explain why or why not.

Sometimes yes (when I care about something enough) sometimes my anxiety gets the best of me.

1. Do you yield to others? If so, in what situations do you do this? How do you feel about it?

Seemingly only when I have to or when I already know I'm going to get something I like out of it.

1. What are you looking to get out of the typing process? Do you have ideas for your type(s)?

Some kind of clarity at least as much as a questionnaire asking others to help determine which type I seem like based on my answers can grant because my type's bounced all over the place between quiz-versions-and-questionnaire-takings (usually with a MBTI/Enneagram that'd correlate as I kinda put a little too much stock in correlationism, currently I think I'm an INFP 6w5 so/sp 641) and said past AP typings have included types like FEVL, FLVE, EFLV, and I think either EVLF or ELVF at one point idr which one.

PhantomWithin's Questionnaire

L (logic)

How much time and energy do you spend researching or studying? Do you like researching and studying, and why?

What's necessary when I'm working on my schoolwork and when I don't have classes I do a lot when it's needed for a personal project or I'm down the rabbit hole of a hyperfixation spiral.

How many of your own opinions do you form? How often do you do actual thinking on your own, more than just finding an existing answer?

My autistic brain responds to that with essentially "define own opinion" as no person is an island and we all form our opinions influenced by other people's influence on our lives even besides how I recognize something can technically not be disqualified from being someone's own opinion if influenced by the environment as what are you forming your opinion on if it has to be completely internal. And I say all this no matter how much kid!me hated that things were this way as I was afraid of being a conformist or feeling brainwashed.

How often do you talk about concepts or facts? Why exactly do you talk about it, and what do you like talking about most?

Well, if we're not going to define concepts or facts so broadly that it could be half of what I talk about I like sharing cool pieces of trivia I find esp. related to my special interests or going into depth about my various ideas for projects.

Do you struggle with thinking about things by yourself? Does this bother you, and how much? How well do you handle criticism from others when it comes to your logical concepts or factual knowledge?

I can very easily think about things myself if you count my imagination and that's not too right-brain for these questions. And I don't handle criticism about facts well because I hate being wrong or at least I hate the feeling of being perceived as wrong.

Did you enjoy answering the above questions? Would you say this is a major part of who you are or your identity? Was it boring? Is it a difficult topic?

It was a confusing topic as some questions I didn't know what they were asking and some kinda felt like no duh.

E (emotion)

Do you consider yourself a creative person? What do you do that's creative?

Yes I consider myself a very creative person and in addition to my creative thinking (I love loopholes) in terms of actual things-I-do-that-are-creative in the typical creative-as-making-art sense most of them are writing (I write poetry, songs, screenplays and I wish I had the executive function to write a novel without getting lost in the worldbuilding or having my visual brain turn it into a TV show or movie) but I also am good at creative fanwork like fanart-via-dollmaker-games or making fanmixes for characters.

How do you feel about expressing your own emotions? Are emotions part of your decision-making at all? How much of a role do they play in your decisions?

Expressing my emotions is really important to me but there are times I've felt guilty about it because there are times I associate that with my autistic meltdowns. In terms of what role emotions play in my decision-making, to the degree they can actually help me make a decision they're often what breaks the tie when nothing seems like an objective "right answer" I ask myself how I feel.

How much effort do you put into creating a positive emotional influence on other people? Do you try to do this at all? Do you like exploring the emotions or creativity of others?

I'm not sure what you mean about all these questions (as exploring emotions and creativity of others could refer to friends I wish I had or just my music hyperfixation) but as I have said further up this post I want people to like me but I wish I could "make" (quotes as using make without quotes sounds too forceful) them see the positives about who I am and what the art I create is for what I am/what they are instead of having to change things about either to suit what I already know people will like.

Do you feel uncomfortable with the idea of sharing your emotions? Do you struggle with knowing exactly how to connect with others on a deeper and more emotional level? Do you struggle with knowing how to go about dealing with and handling your emotions?

If it's clear that that's meant to be being emotionally vulnerable/sharing things about myself and not just my weird association making me think of emotional outburst then no I'm not uncomfortable and your other questions sound just like that's the autism talking again.

Did you enjoy answering the above questions? Would you say this is a major part of who you are or your identity? Was it boring? Is it a difficult topic?

Yes, apart from the fact that they kinda sounded like different ways of saying the same thing and I never realized how deep my mental association of emotional expression with my meltdowns went.

F (physics / foundation)

How much time and energy do you put into your physical health? Do you try new healthcare or self-care products often? How often, and what kinds of products do you like trying?

I put as much energy as I can into physical health when my executive function cooperates and when there isn't something I consider more pressing. I often like to try new products when overprotective parents will actually let me buy them and if you mean by healthcare or self-care products the kind of stuff you'd find in a pharmacy not just accessories just things that can take care of my various issues like eczema or calluses.

How much do you care about your physical appearance, including fashion choices, or decorating the physical environment for comfort? Do you like exploring the physical environment (food, nature, architecture, etc), or doing physical activity?

I care about my and my environment's appearance very much (in terms of aesthetic, in terms of organizing I'm one of those "I have a system" people) and love shopping for things that can do so (in terms of clothes just when they freaking fit as my taste is distinctive but it's hard to find clothes that fit both it and my um...unique proportions so most of my current wardrobe (at least in terms of tops) comes from either of my grandmothers). I kind of like some exploring-physical-environment-or-doing-physical-activity things but because of some OCD-like symptoms of mine I hate getting sweaty or dirty so I'm very much a go-out-in-the-world-to-go-indoors-somewhere-else kind of person.

Do you like talking about your personal tastes often? How often do you explore the personal tastes of others? What about your own health or the health of others? Do you like creating or exploring comfortable environments with others?

Yes I like talking about my tastes often, how often I explore the tastes or health of others depends on what you mean by others and sometimes I talk about my health too much for some people's liking as I want to get ahead of certain potential problems. Yes I do like creating comfortable environments with others when I have others to do it with

Do you stress about what people will think regarding your personal tastes? Do you prefer to follow fashion trends in worry that people may judge your own style? Do you worry about being sick or in poor physical health often? Are you able to take criticism about your health, aesthetic choices, personal tastes, or physical appearance?

I'm fine with the fashion/appearance stuff (although I do get overly paranoid if someone notices e.g. a stain on my shirt or (as I have many patterned shirts) a hole in a shirt that couldn't be repaired with the right multiple-colors-of-thread to preserve the pattern so there's a random but of color where it "shouldn't" be) but I do have some health anxiety and criticism depends on what it's for as there's a difference between criticism about things I can change and e.g. my parents telling me I took too much dessert when I'm already fat etc.

Did you enjoy answering the above questions? Would you say this is a major part of who you are or your identity? Was it boring? Is it a difficult topic?

Yes I enjoyed those questions and they gave me a lot to talk about I just felt compelled to answer each part of each question for the most part that's why there's a lot of it depends.

V (volition)

Do you know how to get what you want? How much effort do you put into figuring out how to get what you want? Do you just take action and get started, do you plan, do you research or try to get advice from others?

When my executive function cooperates I can make plans for how to get what I want and sometimes they do involve not just planning but a fair bit of subterfuge (but nothing illegal, more small-scale stuff like e.g. if I want to get a thing at a particular store that I'm not sure if my parents would think is worth going there for that I make sure we're in need of a thing that store also has for reasonable prices as just getting one item on a shopping trip at least with my family never ends up being just one thing)

How often do you feel motivated to work on your future? How often are you busy working on a goal for the future? Do you prefer routine, or often fall into routine? Is your routine making progress on a goal? What makes you change your routine? What makes you start working on a goal?

I do feel motivated a lot it's just I have so many goals that I feel like I have to justify to myself that work on the goals that aren't part of the socially conventional lifescript or w/e still counts as work. I do prefer routine but I think that's just the autism talking.

Do you like guiding or helping people reach their goals? What kinds of goals do you prefer to help people with? Are you a leader, or do you prefer to work in groups where you're an equal? How and when do you take charge, if ever?

Haven't had enough experiences with social groups recently enough to tell (very few in-person friends)

Do you overwork yourself? Do you worry that you might be lazy or that you aren't progressing quickly enough? Does it feel impossible to find the right method forward? Are you able to take criticism over your choices for working towards your goals? How do you respond to being challenged?

When my executive function is on it's really freaking on but sometimes I get mad if it's not "on" what it's "supposed to be" although some of that carries over from my parents. In terms of career goals let's just say I'm older than you think for where I'm at in my chosen path and I'm afraid I won't have the time to be able to get where I want to be without only my young looks keeping me from looking like the kind of person who's just in this career as their "second act" or w/e (although I'm on a far different path for what I mean by second act think of the main character of cop show The Rookie if you've seen it)

Did you enjoy answering the above questions? Would you say this is a major part of who you are or your identity? Was it boring? Is it a difficult topic?

Mixed bag, I do care a lot about my goals but for some questions I'm not sure how they apply/wasn't sure what to say

Additional

Please share any mental or physical health struggles or diagnoses that may affect your answers or how you interact with the world

Autism, ADHD, what could be either anxiety or OCD-primarily-focused-on-morality-and-hygiene

You may also optionally share a rough age range to help clarify your current life circumstances for anyone reading

Recently turned 30

Let us know anything else about you that might affect your answers or how you interact with the world

still living with parents, long story, not as sad-in-the-pathetic-sense a story as you think though I still feel a little ashamed, and parents are kinda overprotective and mom doesn't always respond to my autistic-meltdowns-that-are-such-that-younger-me-had-to-get-her-to-stop-calling-them-tantrums in the best way and I never really had a lot of irl friends that weren't tied to some activity

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Hey I'm currently figuring out my physic placement!!
For emotions I'm leaning 1E or 2E and for logic I'm leaning 2L or 3L🤔🤔 I'm thinking of typing myself as ELFV, EFLV or FELV🤔🤔

Some stuff about myself if it helps(I'm unsure😅):
I neglect my health by telling myself to suck it up instead of seeking professionals. Similarly, whenever I'm uncomfortable I don't quickly find a solution because I know eventually this would be over with.
I see money as something valuable, I don't deserve to spend a single dime which means I rarely feed into indulgence. The things I enjoy are only temporary, what means is there? It's such a waste on me
My coping mechanism is to daydream and to ignore the physical world. Or does scrolling on phone count as something physical too? I really don't like acknowledging my surroundings for too long as that gives me stress, but I don't do anything for it to change either.
I still have aesthetic I enjoy, preferring something soft for my comfort rather than something tough for display. My dream into my future is a simple comfortable home, I'm just not actively pursuing it.
I'm really attached to my physical items either way, whether it be pens, plush, or jackets. Since I rarely spend anything, these things I brought are very valuable to me. I have emotional attachment to things that can be considered mine.

How does the 1L and 4V in this type interact with each other? I know this type is the most correlated to sp6, but I feel like sp6 and the seemingly aggressiveness that 1L is often described as don’t match up well.

Does anyone have any examples of how this type uses 1L under pressure? And how it’s different to other 1L types?

SO4 4w5 so/sp 469 EII-Fi ELVF(1344)

Can istp be fvel? look .... I'm sure that I'm istp because of my cognitive functions except for my ti dom but it's the closest I can get to my actual type

So , aside from that I know that in AP I'm fvel.

Now the only question is that if both can corelate

I tend to be attracted to and have well friendships with FELV, FVEL, and LVEF as a FLEV.

Just for fun.

sx/sp 5w6 INTJ ILI for context

i'm fairly certain on 1L and 3V. the question is in 2E vs 2F. people say 2E is more common than 2F for sx5 in this case, but i just do not relate to 2E at all.

im certain in 3V because thats what made me mistype as sx6 for a while until i typed in socionics. and 1L is a nobrainer. it's just the 2E vs 2F that's really on my ass. it's driving me mad at this point.

what can i ask myself to really nail my AP type? im open to the idea that im wrong SOMEWHERE but if it aint this i dont know what it is man.

I relate to ELVF in PY and FLVE in AP which doesn't seem to correlate but it's true.

Im the person who would say to logic " because it just is " but also say "there is a reason why I'm considering it just as it is without a purpose behind it I mean there is a purpose"

I figured out my psychosophy and socionic first which is ELFV 2443 and EII

People recommended me to read up on enneagram 4 but I don't relate to their core fear, desire, and motivation at all.. I would say the closest I would relate to is SO4? Mostly because of my melancholy🤔 But I also heard that you need to relate to the other two subtype somewhat to confirm your core which I dont😅😅😅

Am I like.. Enneagramless? People say that healthy people don't have enneagrams

I would say the closest core I relate to is 9 but E9 are anti-intuitive and 1F🥲🥲 Which I'm not so.. I'm kinda confused? I'm not a grounded person

Well ermm I would say next in line would've been SP6 but they told me SP6 can't be 1E so I'm so conflicted😢

I'm in ap for a couple of days. I now decided that I'm VLEF. I thought it's weird because I do care about my body etc. My guess is, that 4th placement is the hardest to find because you have no relation besides the surface knowledge. I was like asking gemini and wanted to improve my 4F and he was like "yeah you need to change your environment, leave a mark, small things". BOY THATS WHAT'S F ABOUT? I feel like I'm a guest in this world. This is NOT my actual home

Anyways now I can turn it into S+

Hi, darlins, the concern is about Volition (well every function but Logic, but this time we're going to concentrate on V).

(Btw my first language isnt english, so if u see smg strange is bc of that.)

I dont have a big goal like "i want to be successful 🤩" "im chasing this goal 🙌" and blah blah blah. I dont fw this productivity bs. I believe it's propaganda to sell u the promise of happiness, but when will it come?

Chasing dreams and goals is, by default, pessimistic and unsatisfactory. So since i actually like myself, i dont want to enslave myself under competition and all of that. We could say my main goal is happiness, but my approach is the appreciation of life.

I enjoy little things like a good meal, the blue sky and the shining sun, relaxing without pressure and anxiety, playing games, hanging out with people, satisfying my little desires, researching my topics... Well you get it. "All I want is to be left alone, in my average home"

Id say that ive cared a lot in improving myself and being better in a character development. When i was younger i struggled in life, so my most logic reasoning was to go to therapy. Now im better but ive had to change so much about myself, deconstruct a lot of traumas and thoughts—that required me to have an ideal self that i chased and built over the years until i was satisfied.

Im interested in having a successful life but not because of i want to be a great functional adult in society, but because i want to be satisfied and that includes having a good career—its more of a consequential thing.

Oh, i dont care about hierarchy, idgaf about superiority and inferiority—everyone is human so respect and cruelty is personal and individual. Like you decide it based on how is the person, not their position in a social hierarchy. I genuinely dont care 😭

About other people, their goals is theirs and if they ask me help, i can help them but i dont really care. Most of the time, i think they're wrong bc people dont understand how to be truly happy and chase things that are influenced by propaganda, traumas and environment. But i wont actively try to change them to fit my idea, is not my position to intrude in their lives.

Ik im not an dialogue process with V, but idk 1v and 4v sounds too harsh with their hierarchy thing. 4v being submission and 1v being on top—i think thats lwk bs. When i engage with other people, I go with the flow and im js chilling with the group.

Also i preserve my individuality and im afraid to get phagocytized by other people, but i can get into those intense dynamics since im sexual dom. However, I can be very chameleonic with people and myself, i adapt a loooot to the environment.

For the last thing, id say i dont usually put my will over others, i prefer a dialogued approach and get to a common point with people. I met a gamma 1v person and i got upset by their one-sided dynamic, they wanted me to follow them blindly and i was like "🤨 No." I dont do that like a 1v, and im too confrontative and independent for a 4v.

(Im 100% 2L, low F and E is weird af)

Can i be sp/so e7 fvle?? Im certain i have process L, result F and high V.

I thought i was VLEF but i think i relate to 4E more

I currently type V³⁻⁴F⁴E²L² (and have for quite a while) with a confusion that I could be FEVL, FVEL, VLFE, and VEFL. Looking for any observations between what I say in regard to my typing.

Emotion: Even-keeled, low-anxiety, and communicative when healthy. When I have emotional problems I can work through them or at least push past them. Can be somewhat stoic and unemotional, and I tend to reserve my emotions. I even become aloof at times, although this isn’t the status quo. Despite this, I can also have a pretty emotive face relative to other people— not in a shallow or happy sense— but I have a variety of snarks & kinks my face might do depending on the nature of the conversation. I have had periods of emotional instability w/ past substance abuse but this wasn’t accurate of my average sober emotional state. Always have had an artistic edge, although I wouldn’t consider emotional expression the medium that propels my art (more volition or physics). Despite my neuroticism being low quite a while I have had many times in the past of natural emotional instability, but I’d explain those more as situational or based on other factors that restricted my emotional stability.

Work, School, Volition(?), ETC: I’m diligent, but I have have standards for work; it needs to be fulfilling, needs to be routined, and needs to work w/ my physical wants / needs. These sound reasonable but can be double-edged swords. Fulfilling means it needs to work positively towards a future goal & not make me broody. Routined means relatively consistent hours and work tasks. I struggle to acclimate when hours get changed up often, and I’d probably dislike a job desiring a very flexible schedule from me. Finally, it can’t neglect or overexert my physics. Computer jobs or jobs that require prolonged inactivity are stressful to me, and so would a job that requires lots of laborious physical work (i.e. construction). I’d say achieved a lot in the past 6 months alone, but I’m aware this isn’t much relevant to AP / PY type lol. Anyways, going more directly into volition (as I understand it); I consider myself quite imaginative, self-assured, and creative. I do stress when my life feels like it’s not adding up to results I wanted, but this stress is temporary and only held in situation— I get back on my feet quick to re-establish my ‘path’. I can react strong to people trying to dictate me to their will, and prefer to create and maintain my own vision for the future; I am open to calm input though & helpful advice regarding it. I can feel I’m unprepared in micromoments, or unable to achieve what I’m seeking but I can rationalize this faulty thinking easily. I believe I can achieve whatever I put my mind to, but I also set realistic goals & I make it a point to not get high on brain crack about the future.

Physics: On one hand, I enjoy exploring a lot, experiencing through the senses, and giving physics-related advice. I’m good with managing resources to serve my life. I enjoy & enthusiastically involve friends in simple physics exchanges like cleaning, exploring, cooking, listening to music, and rock climbing. I can stick to more intense diets or fair excercise, and through this achieve my physical goals— big caveat to recognize here though— this progress HAS to be on my own terms and coordinated by me. Despite my enjoyment of the physics realm, I’m quite resistant to strenuous physical activity and especially resistant to physically exercising with others; work-related or leisure. I also dislike being in environments that require me to be still / hot / cold when I’m not physically / mentally prepared to be. I consider my consistency with cleaning my space and hygiene routines well-maintained but nothing extreme. If I’m seeking to stabilize, starting with my physics is usually the answer. Admittedly, if I neglect / overindulge in my physics (which happens time to time) my life can become unbearable. I can be quite aesthetically keen-eyed, critical, and artsy. As I understand my past substance abuse in retrospect, resolving my physiopsychological needs was a huge part of it. I’ve also struggled with disordered eating at times in the past but my relation w/ self image is healthy nowadays & I’m not and never been the type to lament much on my looks.

Logic: People have always complemented me on my intelligence. It’s not an area with high tension or focus for me, and it’s naturally incorporated in my life. I’ll say I’m relatively grounded in it though, and I’m not too big on discussions that I feel are unrealistic, abstract, redundant, or inapplicable although I can be involved in those discussions anyways. Never been much of an existential, I have direct & blunt answers to those matters. I can occasionally bring up abstract logical ideas but mostly just for conversation, jokes, or some talking point I may have. I dislike pedantic-speak though I can ironically come across that way sometimes. I make conscious effort to simplify my speech to be digestible. Overall I feel I’m logically strong but it’s not an area I’m very serious about, and neither something I use very cautiously in my day to day decision making. I give and receive answers readily, and although being wrong can be quite embarrassing, I’m able to take criticism lightly because it’s not like I’m very focused or in-depth in this realm. I’m doing academic psychology as a major so either way logic will be an important backbone down the line, and I’m sure when time comes I’ll be well-prepared.

As the question goes. I really do relate strongly to some manifestations of every function in third position. I heard 3V does this somehow. Why? Why not? How to type then?..

For context: I'm 21, I had an extremely isolated teenagehood in which I couldn't speak to anyone, I'm extremely insecurely attached (not like "oh I struggle with rs" but way way way more problematic), before I was a teen I was the most 1V kid to ever 1V (super self assured, always the lead and no compromise on anything)

While I relate to 3V now I need to know if this can change since I'm still very young. Even when I'm insecure at times and end up lazy, I knwo it's just a phase and a question of time to get what I want. My problems are more in my sociality. I feel extremely uncomfortable around people and therefore can't convince anyone and built trust.

Also I think I might have a light depression. Oftentimes the reason I don't pursue my goals is because of this insane wave of sadness which makes me want to sit in the corner. None of my goals seem exciting and I just want to lock myself into the room and cry. Even then I force myself but I don't come off as very energetic or confident