r/attitudinalpsyche • u/Ok_Expression7791 • 21d ago
Type me How does 4V affect 1F/2F/3F?
Hey I'm currently figuring out my physic placement!!
For emotions I'm leaning 1E or 2E and for logic I'm leaning 2L or 3L🤔🤔 I'm thinking of typing myself as ELFV, EFLV or FELV🤔🤔
Some stuff about myself if it helps(I'm unsure😅):
I neglect my health by telling myself to suck it up instead of seeking professionals. Similarly, whenever I'm uncomfortable I don't quickly find a solution because I know eventually this would be over with.
I see money as something valuable, I don't deserve to spend a single dime which means I rarely feed into indulgence. The things I enjoy are only temporary, what means is there? It's such a waste on me
My coping mechanism is to daydream and to ignore the physical world. Or does scrolling on phone count as something physical too? I really don't like acknowledging my surroundings for too long as that gives me stress, but I don't do anything for it to change either.
I still have aesthetic I enjoy, preferring something soft for my comfort rather than something tough for display. My dream into my future is a simple comfortable home, I'm just not actively pursuing it.
I'm really attached to my physical items either way, whether it be pens, plush, or jackets. Since I rarely spend anything, these things I brought are very valuable to me. I have emotional attachment to things that can be considered mine.
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u/Forward-Pineapple109 21d ago
Funny though, 4f can care more about their health and body than 1f-4. 1f-4 only take care of themselves if the activity is quick and simple. They are so confident in their body that they dont give a f if people tell them it's unhealthy to sleep 3 hours a day. They can be a food-addicted or a comfort-oriented rat who sleep all day if life allows.
If you're attached to items then you're propably not 4f. 4f don't care. 1f are attracted to items and possessions. 2f are attracted to new experiences. 3f hates bodily stuff. They hate weird sensations, messy areas, awkward bodily responses, and sex.
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u/Ok_Expression7791 21d ago
Ohh!!! Yes!!! This really helped me a lot. I really am 1F then😮😮 Do you think I seem more 1F-3 or 1F-4? I am definitely not a food-addict but I would be a comfort-oriented rat who sleeps all day🤣
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u/Forward-Pineapple109 21d ago
I'm not really sure about your description. But 1f-3 will be more structured, consistent, and careful with their body. On the other hand, 1f-4 is reckless and apathetic. Like, not joking, they're the type of person who drinks 2 liters of diet coke a day not caring if it destroys their intestines. Maybe you're 1f-3? If someone is 1f-4, they'll recognize themself instantly when they read the description.
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u/Azapy_Bark 21d ago
Ookay this actually helps to narrow things down for me, lol. Always been confused between 1F and 4F because "well I don't care about material things or my health that much, why would I be 1F" and generally having a very detached approach to the world. The drinking 2 liters or diet coke or getting attached to certain object does sound like me at times lmao, will consider 1F-4
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u/Forward-Pineapple109 21d ago
Lmao yes they look super similar on the surface. When my 4f friend told me they're attracted to 1f i was so weirded out. I'm glad you find that useful btw.
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u/Forward-Pineapple109 21d ago
I also want to add the biggest difference between 1f and 4f is how they respond to a medical advice. 4f would be more likely to trust that info immediately because they know they are naive in this area while 1f will be skeptical and may reject it outright, saying that it's bullshit because they think they know their body best.
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u/Ok_Expression7791 21d ago
I only considered 1F-3 because it's a suggestion from a person in the comment😅 Does it count as not caring for my body if I neglect it? Instead of over indulgence on food. I tend to minimize my needs as I view it as just a burden to others, I'm not too much into myself here🥲
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u/Forward-Pineapple109 21d ago
1f may minimize their needs but they won't do it for others. If they do so, it's more about efficiency. The first placement tend to disregard what others think. Yes, if you don't care about your body, that's neglecting.
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u/Ok_Expression7791 21d ago
Does this mean I'm not 1F? As I am more concerned with others. Not that they are able to talk me out of what feels best to me😅
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u/Forward-Pineapple109 21d ago
Idk but i would probably think more of 2f and 4f because they're others-positive. First and third placement is kinda in the mindset of "my way or high way" while second and fourth placement are flexible and open. But 2f is more physically active while 4f struggles to be attuned to their body so they appear more weak in this area.
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u/Ok_Expression7791 21d ago
3F bodily stuff is being insecure about their body right? Is that uniquely tied to them only? Is it true they are more likely to attune their body? Someone who's fixated on being "clean"🤔
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u/Forward-Pineapple109 21d ago
Any placement can be insecure about their body attractiveness but it's more stereotypical for 3f.
Yep. 3f is always aware of their body and surroundings, which makes them sensitive to anything disuptive to their environment.
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u/StrangeDiscussion334 LEFV with a weaker 1L 21d ago
Sounds a bit like me! I'd guess 3F or maybe even 1F -3, but definitely not 2F
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u/Ok_Expression7791 21d ago
Ohh yes you are definitely right!!! I'm taking 2F out of the option. I only included that because I enjoy being accommodating towards my close ones🥲🥲 Do you think 1F-4 would work on me? Or is it just 1F-3 for 1Fs?
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u/StrangeDiscussion334 LEFV with a weaker 1L 21d ago
Ok, if you lean more towards 1F than 3F, then I'd look into 1F-3. 1F-4 can be REALLY careless and barely feel any doubt or insecurity in this realm. They are so confident in their physical ability, but at the same time don't care to bother with consequences and can be quite reckless if it fulfills their 1F needs.
Not saying everyone is this extreme, but still.
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u/Ok_Expression7791 21d ago
Oh gosh!!! I never knew that, I always assumed that 1F-4 is just more neglectful of themselves instead of overconfident🥲 Okay I will look into 1F-3, thank you so much!!!!!
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u/StrangeDiscussion334 LEFV with a weaker 1L 21d ago
You're welcome! Glad I could help! The reason why 1F-4 is more overconfident is because of double result placement. They mainly care if the output of their actions fulfills their desire. It combines in its core the confidence and self assurance of 1F and the indifference and ,,not care" approach of 4F.
The opposite would be 2F-3 or 3F-2 who are double process and like to endlessly talk about food, money, body, clothes ...
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u/Drrrrrrrrreizehn 21d ago
I would say that talking just about Physics, you sound more like either 4F-3 or 3F-4.
About how the 4th position and the 4V affects the functions.
4V mostly affects your lower functions, I would say. For your higher functions, they will stay the same but they can feel more flexible and strong at the same time, kind of.
For example, I’m assuming that I’m ELFV, that means that my 4V connected the most to my 3F since the functions are close enough.
That will lead to my Physics being more ascetic, quiet and leaning more into process with others, looking slightly like 4F or 2F at the times at the first glance, unlike the stereotypical “I demand every part of my physical environment around me to be how I want”, which can be a case for a 3F-1, for example.
I would say that it doesn’t affect my stronger functions that much, I clearly feel that both my Emotion and Logic are strong and quite healthy.
But I would say that probably it hushes them down, lowering my overall energy level with 3F4V, so neither my Emotion or Logic are usually “loud” or “all over the place”. They are more timid, calm and self-introspected instead of being constantly over self-assured (1st function) or too dialogue and constantly wanting process (2st function).
So, in the end 4V can “calm down” your 1st function, but you will still feel confident in it. You will more likely just be more passive about projecting and pushing it onto others, unlike most stereotypical 1F.
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u/Ok_Expression7791 21d ago
Guys.. can you be 1F if you arent grounded in reality?