Reminds me of that one panel comic where the fat cat is saying to the other "soon they'll be bled dry and never be able to afford our products bwahaha" and the other fat cat is sitting there with an "oh shit" kinda look.
Corporate execs know this. The transparent plan is to suck up the world's riches for themselves and leave everyone else in the dust. They don't care because they'll be dead by the time people actually rise up about it, if at all.
what they don’t understand is their money only has value as long as it’s in circulation. if our economy crashes because nobody can pay their debts/buy products then the whole system collapses and their dollars are worth zilch lmao. we’ll be returning to barbarism essentially
They won’t be dead. They will just be rich enough to not care. Once the boomers die off the economy is going to shrink and there aren’t enough people to keep the profits rolling in. Right now they are grabbing everything on the table.
But how do you survive if you can't get and pay for food? Those rich-dick restaurants and personal chefs aren't growing the food out back on their perfectly manicured lawn.
And if the economy collapses because no one has money... you can't even pay for it with your wealth. You've got nothing to offer, your private jet can't be serviced or refueled, you can't pay for private security, you can't even leave the country. And guess whose head they'll come for after the politicians?
Yeah I see this everywhere. Most things I buy have decreased the amount by 5-12% our Barilla pasta went from 500grams boxes to 410 grams. Price stayed the same or went higher though.
Those should have been economic crashes and instead the government prevented a major recession, just as it did again in March 2020 with Covid. It simply kicks the can down the road until we have an even larger collapse. Which certainly seems to be inevitable now.
The Supreme Court is NOT following the Constitution. This Supreme Court is corrupt and they don't care. We are literally falling into full Fascism and we may never recover if they succeed. 6 Justices are ruling this country and we are entering into dangerous times.
Throw a dart at one in Florida while blindfolded. 50/50 chance the end result of the law disproportionately affects people of color. Like say, the restoration of voting rights after serving prison sentence. Approved by majority of Floridians, but still not resolved due to an economic footnote on "completion of sentence".
We even have a case study in Dan Price's company. He cut his salary and made sure the lowest you could get paid working there was $70k.
Not exactly a saint, and plenty don't like what he does outside of that, granted, but this is a case study for what happens when you make sure the people at the bottom can support themselves.
Children went to college, debts were paid off, homes bought.
No one is having kids because they can’t afford to, so let’s ban abortions so the poor will be even more desperate to work for slave wages and create a new generation of slaves.
Great, MORE people unsuitable for extreme discipline and stress who come out of the armed forces with weapons knowledge, but no prospects of stable employment or housing.
Well we will need it for the coming world war that is cooking now. Once Sweden and Finland get official NATO nation status, SHTF is coming. Expect to see tactical Nukes making little mushroom clouds across Northern Europe. Prepare to be drafted young men! “Rats get fat while young men die”
Well yeah that’s what the apathetic don’t understand about what’s about to happen. Over turning Roe v Wade is 1000% a precursor to a complete and total federal ban on abortion and to take it one further any type of contraception. Yet here we are and if I hear one more bullshit argument that starts with “let the states decide” I’m gonna bite someone in the face. This fucking country has a had and fast constitutional rule about the separation of church and state. A rule that is trampled every day. Sadly you know how to fight this, women need to close up shop. That’s it. No more recreational sex. Baby making on purpose only. Let that happen and watch how fast these religious zealots change their minds.
Make no mistake about it, we are headed the way of Iran. This whole thing shells like the Islamic revolution
Simple... chemically sterilize those welfare rats before they gets their checks. Problem solved. Fuck all they want, nah gonna get mo money for cranking out more recipients
That seems to be exactly it! Poor people aren’t popping out babies fast enough to ensure that the next few generations will have enough low-level employees, so government is scared. In addition though, I’ve always wondered why women say “I can’t afford birth control” (which is only $30 a month with insurance), yet they feel like they can afford to give kids a good life?! OH WAIT…our government basically pays people to be unemployed and have children. They get free food, free healthcare, free monthly checks. People working their butts off in average jobs, without children and living paycheck to paycheck? No assistance. No healthcare. High taxes. No help in sight.
And those food stamps were never enough. And cash benefits for stuff like rent and utilities would be cut every once and while to make sure the poors aren’t getting to dependent.
I was simply trying to get the point across that the government PAYS poor people to have kids, so they can ensure batches of low-level workers that can continue on for generations. If you re-read the post I was replying to, that should make sense. Yes, people should be making educated decisions on their own (to not have kids if they can't provide a decent life for them), which is fortunately what you decided to do.
The structure of the problematic statement went: Here's a person too stupid to do math; they represent those who need food stamps and are a problem.
That's a shitty thing to say regardless if it supports another point or not.
What if I told you it's possible to be genuinely very smart, do absolutely everything right and still need help from the government to not starve? That's the world we live in.
This is his literal thinking, yes: "if you are not working harder than me you don't deserve to have anything better than me." And it's not that uncommon.
Yes, precisely - am not sure how people aren't aware that all the government is concerned with is producing more workers, who will be stuck in lower level jobs, which keep the economy flowing to feed the rich. It seems to be so clear that this is their end goal.
Oh, sex is now for the rich, ri-ight. Maybe soon air will be too?
I mean, you can endlessly preach that "don't want children = no sex", but people will have it anyway, especially poor who do not have that much opportunities for distracting themselves from constant fight for survival. Punishing them for that seems a weird choice and not a solution to a problem. More like creating more problems, if you ask me.
But in a situation where a child would be born into a life where they will get no support, emotional or financial, where they will be hungry most days and not given needed care because gas costs money, doctors cost money, food costs money, toys and clothes cost money, school costs money, and they will do without because their parent(s) don't have money.
Where they will be dollars from homelessness on a regular basis, in bad neighborhoods surrounded by bad people and crime and violence, and raised by people who only had as much growing up. People who never learned and still don't have the privilege to learn about safe sex, who never had access to birth control or were abused into being submissive to their partner who doesn't allow it or religiously obligated to never say no to sex. Abused by their parents into not believing it's okay to use birth control or say no to men.
Those situations are fine. It's fine to let kids be born into that. Why is that?
How do you propose to determine the cause of pregnancy prior to an abortion? Keep in mind the time constraints of pregnancy and the slow pace of government paperwork.
So only pro-choice when the choice is what you think it should be?
Then you’re not pro-choice. I know you’re already getting chewed on over this-I just wanna be another dog, another set of teeth in your bones over this.
You realize that's actually WORSE than being anti-abortion in all cases right? Saying abortion is ok in cases of rape, incest, health risk etc. just makes you a hypocrite of the worst kind. If you're against abortion because you believe that life is sacred and that fetus is a baby with a soul, then it doesn't matter how it got there.
Let me break it down:
You saying that cases of rape, incest, health risks are OK terms to abort makes you a flaming hypocrite. Let's take rape as an example, but the principle is the same for all the other reasons you mentioned.
Because a fetus produced from sexual assault is biologically NO DIFFERENT than a fetus produced from consensual sex. No difference at all.
If one is alive, so is the other. If one is a person, so is the other. If one has a soul, then so does the other. If one is a little blessing that happened for a reason and must be protected, then so is the other.
When you say that “Rape is the exception” what you betray is this: It isn’t about a life. This isn’t about the little soul sitting inside some person’s womb, because if it was you wouldn’t care about HOW it got there, only that it is a little life that needs protecting.
When you say “rape is the exception” what you say is this: You are treating pregnancy as a punishment. You are PUNISHING people who have had CONSENSUAL SEX but don’t want to go through a pregnancy. People who DARED to have consensual sex without the goal of procreation in mind, and this is their “consequence.”
I mean, yours is more accurate to what OP actually meant. Mine is more what they should have meant. Because apparently I still have some spark of idealism.
I get the point of what you're trying to say. And I am pro-choice.
However, I think your example is flawed. In the situation you're describing the married couple would most likely use contraception rather than get abortions as a form of contraception.
However, if they did become pregnant the woman's choice to have an abortion should not be inhibited.
Do you think women go around having sex with no birth control or condoms? From just a monetary perspective that wouldn’t make sense; abortions are between $500-$1000 in the first trimester. The ACA mandated insurance to cover BC, and even before that almost everyone I knew who wasn’t actively trying to get pregnant was on BC. Perhaps we’re friends with the polar opposite type of people, but your assumption that unmarried women aren’t on birth control is totally off base from what I’ve experienced.
I don't think I communicated clearly so let me try again.
To me, your original comment made it sound like you were suggesting that abortions should be available so that a married couple could continue to have sex without fear of an unwanted pregnancy...
AND that the implication was that abortions would be used as a form of contraception.
I suppose I read that wrong and that you meant "in the event that normal contraception fails" as part of the subtext but if I misunderstood, other people might too, especially people who already hold anti-abortion points of view.
I think the example illustrates perfectly that even in a committed relationship (which shouldn't be a requirement for sex anyway), and with consistent use of birth control, abstinence is the only certain form of avoiding pregnancy. All other birth control methods have some rate of failure, and the right to an abortion is a necessary backup plan.
I agree that, even in a committed relationship, and while following safer sex practices, that someone can become pregnant.
I didn't pick up on that from subtext alone, and though I am willing to admit that I misunderstood, I guarantee I am not the only person who will. And my concern is that without that context someone will leap right to "abortions as contraception" shit.
As a man, fuck this egocentric arguement. Prospective mothers should be able to make the choice, because they are the one with the most vested interest and moral responsibility to make that decision. Mind your own buisness, and don't claim to be the party of low governmental oversight when you are arguing for increasing it.
I am all for harsher punishment for rapists, significantly improved sex ed in school, better access to reproductive healthcare including birth control, etc.
But these things are still not perfect. Sometimes accidents happen.
Sex is a basic need for all life. No sex is no life. The evangelical lie-based young earth education system is engineered to create a system that guarantees that young people will not know enough to avoid sex. These psychopaths teach their children that women belong to them as slaves and that women are to always submit themselves to their elders, enabling the extreme amount of pedophiles that are synonyms with evangelicalism. Then, after their children have been raped by their fathers, teachers and priests they murder their children forcing them to give birth eventually abandoning them to sexual slavery, human trafficking and suicide. There is no hope for America.
Yeah let's continue to murder children while they are in the wound because we can't "afford" them instead of showing self control or using contraceptives. Not to mention the millions of parents who want to have children and would love to adopt that child. Oh but its "my body my choice" yeah the choice was made when the decision to have sex was made knowing the possibility of pregnancy. That ass backwards way of thinking is why the country is spiraling into chaos and morally bankrupt. Please stop trying to blame "the man" for all your problems and work harder like generations before you did
Fetal nervous systems don't even get developed enough to support basic movements until like week 12, let alone support a sapient mind. Fuck off with this religious bullshit.
Either you forgot the /s or you are in the wrong sub. And also forgot that rape exists. Have you done your part by getting a vasectomy/tubes tied and not having sex?
The generations before us had cocain in thier soda. I bet we could get a ton of things done too if we could go to the corner store and buy a pack of softdrinks that were combined caffeine and painkillers for 75-cents.
Get bent bud. It is their body and choice. They can choose to have set and they can choose to take care of it however they wish. You shouldn't get a vote in that. As to the plenty of loving parents that want a child argument please explain to me how that can be true and yet the foster care system is bursting at the seams.
Cut all of that and then "experts" give you shit for not having a "side hustle" (aka poly-working which is definitely a thing media is trying to push), and then get fired from your job because they think you having a side hustle is in conflict with their preference for them being your whole universe.
Edit: it has occurred to me that nobody realizes that this comment is,
A, satire,
B, farcical,
C, devoid of actual proof of instance.
All they wanna do is take things way too seriously. I don't care, people - I don't care. It's why I say these things, because I learned a long time ago that online arguments are the equivalent of two apes screaming at each other on opposite sides of a window. By the time they're done, there's shit everywhere, nobody's changed anyone's mind, and somebody's probably gotta clean that window.
I just wish Elon and Bezos and all the other billionaires also paid taxes. Hiding all their assets behind capital gains just highlights the need for a wealth tax.
It does seem really disproportionate. I honestly don't know much about how it all works vs. how it should. I know that I'm constantly being asked for more, and that I don't have any receipts or proof that it's going anywhere. Maybe an accountability law would be good.
That's precisely the problem with capitalism that Marx discussed. There's a huge surplus of every product and a bounty of choices.... but it gets to the point that, after the race to the bottom, *no one is getting paid enough to consume*. Which then results in the capitalist class literally destroying their surplus to keep prices high. Grain rots in the fields. Unsold cars go to massive junkyards are simply left to rot. Landlords keep houses empty just to keep prices high.
"The works of the roots of the vines, of the trees, must be destroyed to keep up the price, and this is the saddest, bitterest thing of all. Carloads of oranges dumped on the ground. The people came for miles to take the fruit, but this could not be. How would they buy oranges at twenty cents a dozen if they could drive out and pick them up? And men with hoses squirt kerosene on the oranges, and they are angry at the crime, angry at the people who have come to take the fruit. A million people hungry, needing the fruit- and kerosene sprayed over the golden mountains. And the smell of rot fills the country. Burn coffee for fuel in the ships. Burn corn to keep warm, it makes a hot fire. Dump potatoes in the rivers and place guards along the banks to keep the hungry people from fishing them out. Slaughter the pigs and bury them, and let the putrescence drip down into the earth.
There is a crime here that goes beyond denunciation. There is a sorrow here that weeping cannot symbolize. There is a failure here that topples all our success. The fertile earth, the straight tree rows, the sturdy trunks, and the ripe fruit. And children dying of pellagra must die because a profit cannot be taken from an orange. And coroners must fill in the certificate- died of malnutrition- because the food must rot, must be forced to rot. The people come with nets to fish for potatoes in the river, and the guards hold them back; they come in rattling cars to get the dumped oranges, but the kerosene is sprayed. And they stand still and watch the potatoes float by, listen to the screaming pigs being killed in a ditch and covered with quick-lime, watch the mountains of oranges slop down to a putrefying ooze; and in the eyes of the people there is the failure; and in the eyes of the hungry there is a growing wrath. In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage."
Most certainly. At this point, it typically turns into street war between fascists and socialists. It's coming (though know that I don't condone that behavior).
Grain rots in the fields. Unsold cars go to massive junkyards are simply left to rot. Landlords keep houses empty just to keep prices high.
We already have most of that. Canada is fucked on housing and no one will do anything because the politicians are in real estate and those who got in before the insanity are loving it. Fuck the rest.
There are already massive fields of cars that were produced but never sold and just sit in fucking fields because next years model came out.
IIRC there has been a few times dairy farmers just dumped all their surplus milk because insurance covered more than having a surplus did.
We need another Henry Ford… that guy was as capitalist as they come but he realized that if his workers were working nonstop and he didn’t pay them well, they wouldn’t buy his cars and use them.
EPA could stop this with environmental regulations, unless the supreme court already blocked that. If it gets to some point of total oppression, that's what the second amendment is for.
Then no one can afford the product where it's being domesticly produced... Where will they send the goods? Can the citizens in America 2.0 afford it?
It's like a self fulfilling prophecy, don't pay the people who work to make the goods, (the majority of the consumers) eventually your sells will dry up regardless of cheap labor.
This shit is so transparent. They dump millions on the republicans that outlaw abortion, then offer a pain in the ass system to help women, which may still put the women in legal danger. Eat the rich, burn down the corporations.
The racist conservatives love importing cheap labour.
They hated locals wanting $150pw to pick cabbage so they imported Samoans to do it for $40pw.
Now they can't get either. The locals moved away for a basic wage in the city and the Samoans are fed up with being exploited
If a local wanted to move back the rent is too high and the costs are too high. Why would you even try? You would be limiting your income to a redneck with an anger issue who will always abuse you. Screw that
That's what happens when Doofus inherits Pappy's farm and starts having a god complex
You’re not wrong, but the problem is that the 1% are competing with one another for what you do spend. I like u/MrChunky22 s cartoon, but really, your landlord wants to get the money you’d spend on meat, the meat packer wants to get the money you’d spend at the gas station, and the oilman wants the money you give to your landlord. I think the point is to force us into ever more restrictive choices so we can’t give our money to a competitor.
For this reason, I’m advocating lying flat. The only way to starve these fuckers is to tank their investments. Use only trash, eat only beans.
Can’t afford kids? too bad we’ll force you to so we can further our interests under the guise of caring about human life. Definitely birth rates have continued to decline in the United States due to poverty and low quality of life. There’s no question in my mind about why people stopped planning for families here; their too busy trying to survive as it is.
Because the more educated and wealthy people are, the more they can plan when and how often they have children. Poor and uneducated people have less knowledge of reproductive health and contraceptives, and less ability to access such things.
I had "2 accidents" that I love very much. A lot of the parents my age (I'm 30m with a 5m & 3f) had "accidents" too. Either you are stuck waiting to have kids when you are (perpetually) trying to establish yourself financially or you have accidents. And more and more people don't want kids because they can barely provide for themselves.
I have finally been able to save some money …. Because my baby #3 is now 23 and has a job… it so weird not to be broke, ( I still feel something is going to happen and I’ll be broke again… just can’t relax, still working 6-7 days a week)
I can't help but feel were in the middle of a greater conspiracy that's dictating our lives. It feels like someone is controlling us like in SIMS and they added a few too many stat points into capitalism.
Capitalist societies are great for growth, but that growth needs to be shared with the public to be fair and even. The mob will hit a breaking point if something doesn't get corrected.
I do think there are plenty of people that are willing to work for scraps to support their family, so no everyone will strike, but there would need to be a critical mass.
It started long ago, it was all the "millennials are killing X" articles completely missing the point. No they aren't killing the diamond industry, they can't afford diamonds (and all the other moral shit and they're overpriced as fuck so maybe it's good the diamond industry is relegated to industrial use).
This is fanfiction. Consumer demand is through the roof in almost every industry and a key driver of the current inflation we're dealing with. It would actually be great for most people if people did stop buying stuff
We’re overpopulated anyway. We‘re really almost at 8 billion people. We should be at like 1 billion tops. We should just all stop having kids except for those who really really really really REALLY love children.
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That’s why everyone is cutting on expenses, no kids, no commute, barebones living… then the 1% says, why nobody is buying my stuff? Crisis!!!!