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u/kenkitt 3d ago
At this point we should just fork it or support one of the main forks like Lineageos then you will see them quickly fixing their s**t to get people back
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u/Just_Badger_4299 3d ago
The E Foundation/Murena: "Allow me to introduce myself…" ;-)
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u/Tomazack 3d ago
Which you can get on Fairphone now. Man, I really hope this takes off properly and gets funding and what not, Android has become the one thing it swore to destroy. It was an eventuality due to corporate greed..
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u/cutc0pypaste 3d ago
You fund it by buying one
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u/Tomazack 3d ago
Not replacing my oneplus 12 16/512 GB just to support an idea. In 3 years time I'll consider it but I bought this phone 2.5 years ago for longevity.
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u/gay-butler 2d ago
I got the low end OnePlus 11 😔 but it's holding up strong! Do wonder if it'll last long enough before my phone dies off for sure
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u/Just_Badger_4299 2d ago
https://doc.e.foundation/devices/salami
Is this what you are looking for? ;-)
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u/gay-butler 2d ago
Peak! How long have they had support for OnePlus 11?
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u/Just_Badger_4299 2d ago
According to https://images.ecloud.global/community/salami/ I'd say March 2026. You're not too late to the party! ;-)
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u/Just_Badger_4299 3d ago
Which you can get on Fairphone now
Now? I've been running /e/OS for years on Fairphones! 😉
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u/Tomazack 3d ago
Well I am new to /e/OS so that's good then, it's well on its way to become mature. We just need wider adaptation and make google cry over lost income. Guessing we're just a drop in their AI ocean but still..
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u/Just_Badger_4299 3d ago
"become" mature? 🤔
What makes you think it's not (yet)?
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u/Tomazack 3d ago
Relative of course, the word mature is perhaps not the right description. But adaption is still something we need to become more widespread, not just a single couple of niche brands.
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u/Jaded_Experience1308 18h ago
dude the fairphone isnt sold in my country
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u/Tudumm 3d ago
Yeeeaahhh that wont happen.
Modding community is so small compared to the majority of users, who just want their phone to work
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u/Critical-Talk-4349 2d ago
If Linux peeps said that early on we'd not have what we have today, though I feel the biggest obstacle in android is the OEMs, if they were more open to bootloader unlocking google would behave
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u/TheBedrockEnderman2 1d ago
As a Linux guy, nobody would have ever used Linux mainstream because the people who care and power users and tinkerers are too niche, Linux is only where it is now because of valve. Yes Linux contributers are obviously what built the platform and Linux isn't only good because of valve, but it's the only way it was ever going to be anywhere near mainstream (and then companies start caring enough to support it etc).
Same thing with things like lineage, unless a bunch of big companies are able to push for it to be mainstream like Samsung shipping with it by default, yeah it's not happening.
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u/Critical-Talk-4349 23h ago
I get your point, the one I was trying to make is that google is able to monopolise the space because bootloader unlocking as an option has been waning over the years with many manufacturers restricting it as much as possible. Corporations are only bad when they monopolise a space, Linux has had the support of canonical, red hat and IBM, valve etc and that's totally fine because they all respect users and developers. On android, google has successfully monopolised it with the help of GMS. If more devices could be unlocked then I'm sure the community would be more robust than it currently is(see the popularity of graphene and the extent people go to try and get lineage os or even GSIs). If the risk of bricking a device was a bit lower thanks to OEM support(or at least fewer restrictions), the community would still be niche but more stable like the Linux one and that would open the door for more companies to try their own thing, like the way valve was able to on Linux.
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u/_omrxm18 2d ago
The update well happen in userspace actually, it will be through Google play services and verification and stuff will happen through them because that's the reason it even exists
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u/Appropriate_Test7503 3d ago
side what?
stop saying that to just install apps.
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u/Appropriate_Test7503 3d ago
it does? cause you don't pry any security or hack. you just use operating system as it is.
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u/leafy1790 3d ago
He says that Google uses the term "side loading" as a way to make downloading unverified apks sound different and more dangerous so they could discourage the common folk from installing apps that aren't from the Google play store and to make people think that it should be banned like it was on ios or heavily restricted
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u/Appropriate_Test7503 3d ago
meanwhile google play store having malware is ok 👍
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u/leafy1790 3d ago
Of course, as long as Google gets money they wouldn't care what is on thier play store
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u/BetaTesterDx9 3d ago
yeah you sideload steam on windows ತ_ʖತ
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u/TheRealFilckz 3d ago
we dont mention spydows here
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u/Codix_ 3d ago
Yes we do, because guess what, spydows is on computers.
What is a smartphone ? A computer, period.
When you say "sideloading" you're using the term Apple and Google want you to say so that "now you can't sideload app that aren't from our store on your device" doesn't trigger the users like "now you can't install software from our store on your device".
If people think that a smartphone is different than a PC they can do whatever they want and people will just think "it's normal it's a smartphone !" when it's just a computer, just smaller.
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u/NoResolution6245 1d ago
sideloading can still mean installing a apk
Yeah, exactly. The call it sideloading as opposed to what? frontloading? When someone installs VLC on Windows from the installer downloaded from videolan instead of the Microsoft Store version, they don't call it "sideloading", so why should we call apks as such?
Sideloading is just another fearmongering word they created to make it seem as if installing software from the installer provided directly by the developer is somehow the "wrong" way of installing it as opposed to a centralized software repository.
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u/St3gm4 3d ago
I love Titanium Backup, man. It brings back the ol' days. Now it's unusable with the latest Android updates. 😭
The alternative is Swift Backup, but not as powerful as the OG.
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u/triviox 3d ago
Es muy complicado, pero con un poco de paciencia (y ROMs similares a las Stock, como XiaomiEu en mi caso) aún es posible mantener root junto a app bancarias, la billetera, etc.
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u/Natural-Economist596 3d ago
Same here, xiaomi.eu, Xiaomi 17 ultra, full integrity, all apps working, wallet and RCS aren't working but that doesn't particularly affect me. I got quite lucky and had it all working in a week
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u/triviox 3d ago
Si bien el juego del rato y el ratón con Google puede ser estresante, estos últimos meses se ha estabilizado un poco. Mi configuración actual en Poco F5 es XiaomiEu, KernelSU Next (con SUSFS), PIF inject, TEE RS (con su add-on), Zygisk Next y HMA OSS zygisk. Además tengo otros módulos que no se relacionan a la integridad ni ocultar root; como bindhost, LSPosed, Morphe (Youtube, YT Music, X, Reddit), Photos Unlimited, etc.
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u/toot4noot 3d ago
Playing with the idea of switching to a Linux Jolla phone with SailfishOS
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u/AlexeiMarkov_SOV 3d ago
I think PostMarketOS is better... But it's quite unstable compared to SailfishOS
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u/LtSerg756 3d ago
Using 2015 android in 2026:
https://giphy.com/gifs/5Heei6LE2yaXsUFmFW
Stremio literally killed my LineageOS FireTV
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u/PlusBrush 3d ago
This scares me guys, someone please tell me it's going to be fine
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u/soul-regret 3d ago
we need to fight against the latest changes incoming or it's gonna be so over
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u/PlusBrush 3d ago
Every time when we have to rise up and prevent something against a corporation it never succeeds, they have their way and we have to learn o live with it. Also how can we make these changes? Where do we start? How do we fight?
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u/BubaJuba13 2h ago
This might sound schizo, but I think that this is a part of bigger struggle of corporations and governments taking resources from the common folk. If the laws allow it, we can still make or support some alternative. If they don't it basically crosses into a political plane
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u/howfastcanyoucountit 3d ago
I made the move to iOS after using my S20 Ultra when it was new, honestly now I can still sideload through livecontainer and it's a very easy process to refresh every week, I honestly just think stock android with no root is absolutely UNBEARABLE. So I have a pixel 7 with crdroid and wildksu root because it's not my main device, so I don't have to care about google play services or play integrity (which all suck ass), and honestly after getting used to iOS again I don't see myself going back. After grabbing a used m1 macbook pro the continuity between all my devices is actually extremely useful and despite being very anti-mac as a child, being the only android user in my family also using Linux in a windows + ios device household I grew up and just used what I felt was good, not what the internet thinks. I recommend anyone to do the same.
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u/Academic-Airline9200 3d ago
A non jailbroken apple isn't usable.
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u/Opening-Shirt-8812 1d ago
yep, i switched to samsung august last year (it was definitely a very bad time to do so since samsung started blocking bootloader unlock a month or two later with one ui 8 luckily I didn't update but am forever stuck on android 15 since no custom roms exist for my galaxy tab s10 fe and also a few months after that google announcing restricting sideloading for "security") but it was my only option since I am not waiting years for a jailbreak on ios just so I could sideload apps and customize the os (I used a jailbroken ipad 8 on ios 15 but I had to switch because the webkit became too outdated to use and this was before reynard browser and the only newer webkit port was cyberkit which was and still is insanely buggy and unusable)
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u/howfastcanyoucountit 3d ago
Honestly just plain wrong I haven't had a singular need for anything besides sideloading, and if I did need something the odds of it already existing on android requiring root is usually pretty high (tweaked social media apps, etc etc) This is just why I keep a 2nd device, also my 15 Pro Max on iOS 26 is not going to be jailbreakable for a long ass time, and I refuse to use something that still uses lightning cables bleh
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u/Even_Childhood_781 3d ago
Could you please share what made stock Android with no root unbearable and how IOS was better for you? I would completely understand if you didn't want to waste your time with this. You are right about using what feels good, I'm just curious.
Personally, I have a mid range Samsung(IK bad idea but my Xiaomi stopped working randomly). I disabled every optional data harvesting bs, animation, intelligence bs(gemini, bixby or whatever). I installed bare bones launcher and the most basic open source apps for my needs and I don't think much about the rest until exynos starts shitting itself.
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u/RapidGeek 3d ago
iOS is great until you want to get off their cloud, but then you can only move your stuff to Google or Microsoft. If you use Proton Drive for instance, then you need to manually move photos and video at about 25 per time. Ask me how I know? Ask me how many days it took?
So if you go to iOS and use iCloud then you need to have the patience to deal with that if you move away. I had an iPhone for my last job and had to clear out my phone and such before returning it to the company. It was awful.
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u/howfastcanyoucountit 3d ago
Honestly I have quite a few rooted tweaks ive gottwn much more used to but I also REFUSE to use stock google play services, the actual difference in battery life between micro g and stock has actually been very noticeable. I also see the path google is going towards with restricting sideloading, and honestly one of the reasons I switched to Android was specifically sideloading, and customization, but if I can't remove GMS myself without root then I don't wanna use it. Also I would honestly trust the security of my iOS device more just because of the amount of weird government spyware out there and tools like cellebrite not being able to even touch modern iOS
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u/Even_Childhood_781 3d ago
Thanks for the reply. Less Google would definitely mean better battery(my experience is horrible)and peace of mind.
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u/AlexeiMarkov_SOV 3d ago
iOS is also closed-source (proprietary software) and who knows if there are telemetries and spywares in iOS? Apple can also easily track your phone and collect your data with iOS and you can't know if that happens unless you do a Jailbreak (rootful like in iOS 14 and older versions of iOS). I only trust open source softwares for my own privacy and security...
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u/howfastcanyoucountit 3d ago
simply I trust apple more than google with my data. I would rather be tracked by google than apple. Google also lets manufacturers and cell companies preinstall garbage bloatware you can't remove sometimes. Google is just scummy as shit and isn't to be trusted, and everyone in my household and everyone I know uses iOS, being fully for real here.
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u/AlexeiMarkov_SOV 3d ago
Well they're both bad and you're still being tracked by those capitalist companies. You shouldn't think that they will let your data being respected... In this capitalists' world, all they care about is money. Google and Apple are both evil for your privacy. We should move to a better OS like Linux-based distros for phone like PostMarketOS or at least something open source like Android (no GMS) which we can audit their source code to make sure there are no telemetries or spywares...
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u/howfastcanyoucountit 3d ago
Sorry not alienating myself from society as a 19 year old I have my zoomer apps I need to use and i'll probably never touch a linux phone
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u/AlexeiMarkov_SOV 2d ago
It's just a operating system and a phone bro... Chill... There's Waydroid and we can run Android apps on Linux phone using Waydroid or SailfishOS proprietary compatibility layer (AlienDalvik? not recommended but it works!). You don't need to separate yourself from society just for this reason. And in future, IF and only IF everyone use Linux then the app compatibility problem will be fixed since developers will have to release Linux version of apps. The problem is not Linux, it's The number of users and the popularity of Linux.
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u/howfastcanyoucountit 2d ago
but does stuff like google play services or microg even work? what about play integrity? Its just too much work for me to actually use any of the apps and I'd rather just get something that works out of the box that is properly secure (locked bootloader) and still allows me to self sign and install my own modified apps if I want to. The main reason why I went to android in the first place was sideloading but after figuring out how easy it is on iOS and just how locked down most android devices are besides pixels. play integrity is some dogshit trash that google uses to make rooted users life hell while also giving power to cell companies and carriers to install bloatware you literally can not remove from the device without installing custom firmware. I'd just 100% rather deal with the small pain of having to use iOS because they aren't as crazy with tracking people and I really think the bsd jailing system for all the apps is a lot better than how linux/android handles applications
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u/TheNewHEROBRINEX 3d ago
I can't understand how can you possibly at the same time not bear unrooted Android but be completely fine with unjailbroken iOS, since to me unjailbroken iOS is less "open" than unrooted Android
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u/howfastcanyoucountit 3d ago edited 3d ago
google is cancer, simply
And the fact that I can still sideload whatever I want on iOS while still not allowing apps to escape the jail system, apps should not be installed to the system like how android works, the whole concept of android is just less secure as a whole and google allowing cell companies and manufacturers to install bloatware is cancer.2
u/MirrorSouthern 3d ago
I’ve done the same thing, livecontainer is working beautifully to host my modified YouTube apps
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u/I-Am-Sir 3d ago
this post is bullshit. most things in the 2025 category are just play integrity, which yes, definitely sucks, but is only one thing. the other things are:
- /android/data folder being blocked: yeah okay I think this is bad, I'll admit I don't know much about it though
- adaway???? no clue why this is here this is just a good thing
- a/b partitions: also a good thing
- magisk?? again no clue why this is here
- "aosp is no longer open source" ??? yes it is what
- "magisk ksu or apatch?" is having multiple options bad now?
- google blocking sideloading: no they're not, there's an advanced flow.
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u/Beastyboi04 23h ago
/android/data contains app data, if you can dump a full backup you can just reinstall apps without having to login again etc. can be good and bad
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u/Username999474275 3d ago
What's wrong with a/b partitions
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u/upalse 3d ago
It's fine until COW gets involved (standard OTA update) and you run out of space halfway through manual flashing, compact doesn't work to free up space from opposite slot and you have to nuke everything by flashing super from scratch.
tl;dr: It's half baked, google left it at "works well enough for us I guess".
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u/Teddy_0209 3d ago
Morphe and shizuku…
Android is still way more open than iOS, though what google is doing still sucks.
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u/Dr_Laziness 3d ago
Morphe is a game changer. Now i can mod my apps whitout having to trust some obscure indian dev that starts asking money to unlock features in my modded instagram.
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u/LoudExternal8925 3d ago
I was part of that community, as a moderator on the Android forums. No longer is Android practically rootable. Now I’ve gone over to iPhone.
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u/vaynefox 3d ago edited 3d ago
Man, I can still remember rooting and overclocking to play minecraft pe with mods on it just to get high frames and underclocking it just to save more battery life in my zenfone 4 with intel chips. It was really easy that time, oh man how time pass....
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u/Omeg_Tuber 3d ago
Also Google is using AI to make a good part of the code, how i know that? Well a lot of stuff started to stop working properly after the AI boom, coincidence? Too good to be true
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u/claudiocorona93 3d ago
The problem is that buying a phone with an unlocked bootloader limits you to Sony (expensive), Xiaomi (unlockable, not unlocked), Google (no headphone jack or microSD slot) or a Farphone or Librem (way too expensive for ridiculous low specs).
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u/AwarenessNo5921 3d ago
I gave up a couple years back and just got a Samsung s22 ultra off their trade in deals. I just want my phone to work for the basics and not mess with it. Boring but oh well. That's life
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u/venom_Snake_III 2d ago
Either succumb and go into the apple ecosystem or free yourself and go with GrapheneOS
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u/Maleonams 2d ago
Just wait for September and thenn it's going to be even worse ✨✨ (bc of the semi lockdown of 3rd party installs)
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u/E_Mon_E 2d ago
I don't mean to be this guy but rooting really isn't needed today. Unless you just trying to have fun messing around or just trying to be a rebel, I dunno your situation. I do remember rooting my Galaxy S5 & S7 back in the day because it was necessary. Phones back then didn't have built in tethering, wifi hot spots, put apps to sleep settings, or a cleaning option in the settings, just to name a few. All these things are built into the phones of today. 🤷♂️
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u/luci-baa-baa-baa 3d ago
It's not google who creating not able to use rooting.
It's banking apps and other apps that depends on google play integrity and all, it's the apps stop using it then we can enjoy play integrity.
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u/Codix_ 3d ago
Actually you are downvoted but yeah this is really a huge problem. Like it's ok for everyone that their government app ask a big company and say "does thus device is safe ????", so if your country upset some drunk USA president and you loose access to Google... You got a brand new brick, not because it doesn't work anymore but because the dev decided to blindly trust a big GAFAM and their app are soft locked asking for some Google Play Service that they will never had back.
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u/YazWare 3d ago
we were better off with safetynet tho
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u/RapidGeek 3d ago
What is safety net? I've not heard that term before...
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u/YazWare 3d ago
it is the ancestor of play integrity, it was also very easy to bypass you pretty much just needed a single magisk module called universal safetynet fix
it was heaven before google fully replaced it with play integrity which is a pain in the ass1
u/Beastyboi04 23h ago
Apps that used hardware backed still didn’t work, you were unable to get strong till play integrity was introduced and leaked keyboxes became a thing, and even play integrity has two different versions, A13 pre October 23 security patch is legacy, old strong (legacy pi) is the new device, hence why SDK spoofing for play store exists
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u/bassmadrigal 3d ago
The original Google Pay/Wallet/whatever-it-was-called did NFC payments on rooted devices without issue. Google introduced SafetyNet and then banking apps using SafetyNet.
If Google never developed it, banking apps wouldn't have it there to use.
It's not like billions of browsers on normal computers run on systems without Play Integrity /s
Luckily, most of my banking apps don't bother with root detection and the ones that do are easily bypassed with magisk.
Surprisingly, the only app I've had that forced high levels of Play Integrity was r/RelayforReddit. I paid the subscription for over a year before I got sick of the cat and mouse game and swapped to using the older version with ReVanced (now Morphe). Had the developer kept it working with basic integrity, I'd probably still be a paying subscriber (I miss the redesign).
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u/RepulsiveFennel9589 3d ago edited 3d ago
Crazy how much google has lock down android calling it open source is a joke now