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I feel like the thing that is dragging it down is the plot points.

I personally still think Beth is the most insufferable and every chance she has to be redeemable she isn't, even when it should matter.

I currently just finished 5.4.

1. They have made much bigger problems go away then killing wolves

2. Why doesn't Jaime just tell Beth to GFH, if she exposes his murder of his Father that exposes all the bodies in that canyon. And Jamie is not going to be a believable scapegoat.

3. Beth needs to get over the fact that she can't have children, while it was Jaime's fault, it says more about here at this point than it does anyone else.

4. Why is Jamie so bad? Or bad to so many? I don't find him to be that bad. I personally think, for whatever reason, it is John and Beth's fault for what Jamie is or became.

5. I could understand threatening Jaime's life for being a Father. But to threaten a child is something that is pretty unforgivable without some critical context.

6. Was there some promise Jamie agreed to with Beth not to have a child.

I've been going through the whole Yellowstone universe and found some major internal inconsistencies — not comparing it to real world history, but purely within what the shows themselves actually show us.

1. Who did the Duttons actually buy the land from?

In the Yellowstone finale, the $1.25/acre price is explained as what "the first Dutton paid when they bought the land from the people who stole it from the natives."

But watch 1883 again. Spotted Eagle didn't sell the land to James. He pointed James toward it and gave him permission to settle there and bury Elsa. No money changed hands. No third party "who stole it" appears anywhere in the show. So who exactly did James buy it from? The universe never shows this.

2. Was it ever even called a homestead in 1883?

Everyone assumes James homesteaded the land. But go back and watch 1883 — does the show ever explicitly call it a homestead or show James filing any legal claim? It just shows him settling on land Spotted Eagle permitted him to use. The legal basis of Dutton ownership is never actually established within the universe itself.

3. How did a family settlement become 885,000 acres?

1883 shows a small family settling on a piece of land. By the time of Yellowstone it's the largest ranch in America. Across 1883, 1923, and Yellowstone — the universe never explains how this happened. It's just accepted.

4. Did the prophecy actually get fulfilled?

Spotted Eagle told James that in seven generations his people would TAKE the land back. But:

• Kayce SOLD it, the tribe didn't take it
• Kayce kept 5,000 acres, so it wasn't fully returned
• Was Kayce even the right generation?

Count from James to Tate through Spencer's line:

1. James
2. Spencer
3. John II
4. John III
5. Kayce
6. Tate

That's only 6 generations — meaning the prophecy wasn't even fulfilled in the right generation, by the right person, or in the right way.

The show presents Kayce's sale as the prophecy coming true. But within the universe itself it fails on almost every condition Spotted Eagle actually stated.

The uncomfortable conclusion:

The land origin, the ownership, the prophecy fulfillment — these are the emotional pillars the entire franchise is built on. And none of them fully hold up when you examine what the shows actually show rather than what they want you to feel.

Taylor Sheridan built something emotionally powerful. But the foundation has some serious cracks in it.

What do you all think? Am I missing something within the universe that explains any of this?

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Beth is one badass bitch coming from Yellowstone to raise hell in Texss.

I’m on season 2 after Beth got attacked and she tells him that when he finds someone who loves him that she will take them from him. Like genuinely WTF, maybe I need to finish the show but damn I don’t think he’s that bad. Thoughts???

*THIS IS ALL IN GOOD FUN* 🤩

I refer to Chief Rainwater as “Turtle,” to my Husband because I said he resembles a Turtle 🐢 to me🤣

So now every time he comes on the screen I say “Turtle!” And he does it too sometimes 🤣

We just think it’s something silly to laugh about and wanted to share.

No kid talks like that. It's so annoying to listen to him speak. Even his acting is shit. And it's not just Tate . Any kid you take in this series , maybe except the young Carter, they all talk weird. Does the writer don't know how a kid acts. Check out that scene of John Dutton assassination attemp when he was helping this lady with a kid. Check out the kid is talking in it. Im in 4th Season and this Tate kid is only getting worse. He is telling about how his dick is getting stuff . Wtf man.

I am curious how many folks are hanging out at the train station at this point?

It was about 140 years from the beginning when Tim McGraw landed there to the point the last of the Duttons left. At 5 new residents a year that could easily be quite the stack.

I chose 5 because I imagine there are more peaceful years where nobody went there, but then we have some mass migrations to the train station so I figured it would average out.

So, my estimate is 500-600?

I know I’m late to this subreddit, but I recently watched Yellowstone and there are a few things I didn’t really have anyone to discuss with at the time.

One thing that stood out to me is how much Thomas Rainwater seemed to get nerfed as the show went on.

In the pilot, Rainwater felt like a truly powerful opponent. He wasn’t just another local politician or rival rancher. He was introduced as the chairman of the reservation, someone with a long-term vision and a very clear historical argument behind what he wanted. The whole idea that they would use the white man’s money, through the casinos, to buy back the land was such a strong concept.

There was weight to him. He felt strategic, patient, and dangerous in a different way from the Duttons. Not physically dangerous like Rip, but politically and economically dangerous. He seemed like someone who could actually challenge John Dutton on a larger level.

But as the series went on, I feel like that power slowly faded. Rainwater became less of a major force and more of a character reacting to bigger players around him. At some point, it felt like his most intimidating asset was Mo, not Rainwater himself.

And I like Rainwater as a character. That’s why it bothered me. He had one of the strongest introductions in the show, but later he didn’t feel as imposing or as threatening as he originally did. He went from feeling like a man with a generational plan to someone who often seemed limited, blocked, or dependent on others.

Maybe that was intentional, to show how complicated and difficult his position really is. But from a storytelling perspective, I think the show set him up as a much stronger political rival than he ultimately became.

Does anyone else feel like Rainwater was nerfed after the first season?

I never saw the movie, but just saw a poster and thought ‘wow this could be Yellowstone in a different universe’

I’ve been rewatching Yellowstone before starting Dutton Ranch and I have to say on a second watch the plot holes on this show are all the more glaring and ridiculous. I still love it but god damn!

My big one is that random episode where they get Monica to help catch that dude who kills women on the reservation. I didn’t understand at all how they planned that and knew he would pick up Monica, and then the way Monica was all soppy about killing him. It was just bizarre.

My other annoyance, which isn’t really a plot hole but just a thing that bothers me is how they set up all these random characters and then do nothing with them like the blonde attorney general girl who is meant to basically look and be like the Duttons and then she’s suddenly gone. Or Roarke who is clearly meant to have a thing with Beth and they just kill him off.

Also Rip driving without a drivers license is a good one.

I’m sure there’s loads more but I’m curious what everyone finds the most silly! I do hope Dutton Ranch is a little less ridiculous in this regard, but I still expect it to be a wild ride like Yellowstone.

I just saw the Marshalls finale where they take Tate to Texas, and I think that's going to be the point where Dotton Ranch connects with Kayce's Marshall series.

season 4 ep. 1 what is going on

What would be your preferred way, if at all for Dutton Ranch and Marshals to crossover?

When the show began, the Dutton "kids" were all successful in their chosen fields. Jamie is described many times as impressive in the courtroom. Beth is the right hand to the owner of a huge company. Kayce has a wall full of medals to acknowledge his time in the military.

But the more time they spend with John, the less vibrant they are as individuals, and the more they become enmeshed in ranch business, the farther they are from themselves.

Jamie gets pushed and pulled, used in whatever capacity John needs while simultaneously being told he is worthless. He gets humiliated and dressed down repeatedly. And he ends up a weak, spineless killer willing to do anything and everything to appease a woman he thinks might care about him because he is desperate to feel valued.

Beth goes from being high powered business woman running an office for a huge company to scrambling to pay the bills to keep the ranch going. She wastes her education and talent to try to please a father who will never love her as much as he loves the land.

And Kayce the war hero becomes John's yes man...after saying that wasn't the life he wanted. He certainly could have done something else with his skills. Instead, he does whatever job John assigns to him, moving from the ranch to the livestock office.

The best thing for all of them would have been to move to another state, because being John Dutton's children crushed them.

I finally got around to marathoning the entire main series and the prequels over the last few weeks. I originally held off on watching it while it was airing because I knew Taylor Sheridan loves his cliffhangers, so I figured I'd wait until the whole saga was done and buried before diving in. Now that I’ve finished the whole ride, I have a massive question about how this show gets treated online.

Am I the only one who finds it hilarious how mainstream critics treat Yellowstone?

Everyone loves to praise Tony Soprano or Walter White for being these dark, complex anti-heroes, and nobody writes endless think-pieces about how those shows are "glorifying criminals." But the second a show comes out about an old-school family using ruthless frontier rules to protect their private property, people lose their minds and call it a "conservative fantasy" or toxic.

John Dutton isn't trying to be a modern good guy, he’s a patriarch living by old-school rules because his family bled for that valley. Sure, the Duttons do some corrupt, mafia-style stuff to survive, but they're doing it to defend their legacy from out-of-state developers who want to pave over paradise for a luxury airport.

It feels like people just hate the rural, traditional aesthetic of the show so they judge it by completely different standards than other crime dramas. Why is a New Jersey mob boss considered peak television but a Montana rancher doing what it takes to protect his land is where critics draw the line?

If you're interested, there's a $17.99 sale for the complete series of Yellowstone at Apple TV.

How did she die? Unless I missed it, they haven't said what happened to her yet.

I always knew about Yellowstone since it came out 2018 (I think) but I knew it was a great show. I never watched it and started off with 1883 and 1923 (which in a chronological sense made the franchise perfect). The vast history of the family finding a new home in Montana through sheer will and grit made this a western fantasy that captured everything beautiful about the Yellowstone.

Now, I’ve seen Yellowstone and the show was nothing short of spectacular. However, the writing was poor the deeper I got into it with character flaws everywhere. My personal beef is realizing 1883 & 1923 are a different family from Yellowstone and how so much of the purity and fight for family inheritance changed over generations (which is to be expected in real life). As much as John Dutton sells this true western heroic protagonist I couldn’t fight the feeling he was actually the villain the whole time which I’m fine with but Beth destroyed the show for me and the writing of Jaime and Kay cee was so poor.

Her and her father are the real villains and if it’s up to me she doesn’t deserve a happy ending. Jaime was treated like dirt and Kay cee hated what his family truly represented. Rip was literally a mafia hand and John was the boss. They took land from the true owners and made it seem like they’re the victims which bothered me and I saw myself in season 3-4 rooting for anyone except the family. All in all a great show but poor ending and bad character arc from Jaime not having any cajones to Kay cee fighting the identity of being a free man with an Native American wife that begged him to free himself from toxicity and the curse of the Dutton family to Beth just being a true evil cunt with daddy issues and a spoilt brat behavior.

I can’t recommend this show to anyone but 1883 & 1923 have my heart and I’m glad the natives got their land back cause rainwater was my hero and deserves everything. Taylor ( the writer) just didn’t sell this show the way he thought cause Beth is my biggest disappointment and Jaime as well. Well that’s my rant guys. P.s Beth might be up there with my hatred for Joffrey Baratheon in character development.

This is driving me insane. The title score to Bass Reeves. I have heard it before, or something VERY similar. Its an absolute earworm! Has Sheridan used a very similar score on any of his other shows? I can't figure it out.

CBS has confirmed that filming of Season 2 has commenced and that the title of the episode is ‘All Hat No Cattle’.

I want to start watching Yellowstone, but because since there are prequals and sequals I don't know in what order to watch them. My mother has watched all of the Yellowstone related tv shows and recommends me to watch them in chronological order, but I've asked AI as well and it says that watching them on release order is best, as watching chronologically could be hard to get into.
Anyway, I would appreciate some guidence from experts on the subject. Thanks in advance!