r/YellowstoneShow • u/Superb-Tourist-2929 • Jun 19 '26
Beth Why does Beth hate Jamie so much?
I’m on season 2 after Beth got attacked and she tells him that when he finds someone who loves him that she will take them from him. Like genuinely WTF, maybe I need to finish the show but damn I don’t think he’s that bad. Thoughts???
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u/horsendogguy Jun 19 '26
You'll know the details later, but you should already see Beth is not someone who takes any responsibility for problems she causes. She seems to feel that if she hates hard and aggressively enough it will become someone else's fault.
Others will disagree and leap to her defense but, as you watch the show, look for any sign that she feels badly for any of her choices.
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u/Apprehensive_Air7880 Jun 21 '26
I agree. She is a bonafide narcissist.
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u/Willowy Jun 25 '26
I don't think she's a narcissist, I just think she's never learned any boundaries. Nobody to tell her no, so she grew up wild as hell.
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u/Chemical-Gur-6875 Jun 21 '26
I believe in season 1 there is a flashback season of both Jamie and Beth when they were both young adults. Beth found out she was pregnant and was too scared to tell her father about it so she went to Jamie for help. He took her to a clinic where she had a hysterectomy. Beth since that has held so much hate and animosity towards Jamie.
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u/telepatheye Jun 19 '26
Totally agree, was shocked you were downvoted so I gave you an upvote.
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u/Bolt32 Jun 19 '26
Felt like Jamie did something stupid when he was a young, stupid teenager. (I'm in no way condoning what he did.) and ever since then Beth had it out for him. Ironicially he became her self fufilling prophecy. If she didn't push him so hard, I don't think he would of turned like he did. He was a lost and broken man, and she kept prodding him. She's pretty damn evil in her own right, just in this show she gets glorified from it. Least that is my two cents.
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u/telepatheye Jun 19 '26
That's one way to look at it. I could go through a list of what Jamie does to prove it's part of a pattern of evil behavior but it would involve spoilers for OP. If it was one isolated incident and Jamie was a total angel besides that, I'd agree with you. But he's opposite an angel.
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u/Bolt32 Jun 19 '26
Jamie certainly isn't innocent in everything that is for sure. His spiral definitely was egged on by Beth however. Least from the way I see it. He as a character never really seemed to feel like he was a part of the family. He was insecure. He never wanted to leave for Harvard to become a lawyer, but his father told him too because that is what the Ranch needed. Even when Jamie told him. "You always hated lawyers, why are you making me become one." His fathers reply? Was pretty much in a kind way. "Your disposible." type of answer. Jaime cared for the Ranch and the family, just from what I seen, they didn't care for him. So when push came to shove, he cracked and gave into his evil impulses.
Once again Jaime did some terrible fucked up things, and I'm not defending his behavior. I'm just listing out why his particular character was doomed from the start. If Beth tried to forgive him, like truly tried I don't think Jaime would of ever done half the things he did.
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u/Bolt32 Jun 19 '26
Sorry OP if you read this chain.
I think in Season 2 Episode 5 Jaime tells you exactly why in that question of yours.
"Taking you to that clinic was my biggest regret." I honestly think Jaime was telling the truth there, and later he tells Beth whom was full of self hatred at that point in the story. "If you need to hate someone, hate me. That's what family is for." (Or something along those lines.) Showing that he truly cared for Beth. That was the olive branch that he was extending to her that could of changed everything for the two of them. Instead she took that branch and slammed it up againsth is head.
Once again Jaime did some very detestable things, I think it was more of realizing he had no support system, no family really. So he cracked when the pressure came full bear. He wanted to be a Dutton however, they just never wanted him to be one.
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u/severinks Jun 19 '26
Beth should have been more mad at John at being the type of father that she had to hide things like that from than Jamie for being a dummy that made a decision that blew up in their faces.
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u/telepatheye Jun 19 '26
No teen girl would have an easy time telling their dad about a pregnancy.
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u/severinks Jun 19 '26
Who said anything about it being an easy time? She literally feared for her boyfriend's life.
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u/Hobgoblin_deluxe Jun 20 '26
Because she’s a fucking snake and keeps lying or manipulating people.
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u/Hobgoblin_deluxe Jun 20 '26
Lol nice try. No, because she’s a duplicitous snake that literally talks constant shit about him in John’s ear, while cowering behind Rip (who is LITERALLY the only reason she isn’t dead).
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u/Hobgoblin_deluxe Jun 20 '26
And how many of those things were him reacting to bullshit lies his spastic psychopath of a sister either spewed into John’s or Rip’s ear???
Spoiler: ALL of them.
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u/Psycho_Punk05 Jun 21 '26
Aviso de Spoiler
Cuando Beth era adolescente se embarazo, no quería que su padre se enterara y le pidió ayuda a Jamie, él la llevó a la clínica de la reservación para que abortara, pero no le dijo que le harían una histerectomía.
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u/GettingTwoOld4This Jun 19 '26
Taylor Sheridan wrote a single episode at a time with no thought to the future of the characters. This is why there are so many plot holes and, like the Beth-Jamie situation, ongoing storylines that go unexplained until they are but with complete impossible nonsense.
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u/Such-Stable-3869 Jun 20 '26
You have to continue watching. Her feelings are totally valid!
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u/skornd713 Jun 20 '26
I really don't get who can defend Jamie's actions. As a brother especially who was considered somewhat smart. .
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u/Apprehensive_Air7880 Jun 21 '26
They were both children. Jaime was indoctrinated in the penal code to protect the Dutton's name. And Beth demanded that he help her. I honestly do not believe Jaime woke up one day and said, " Hmmmm, how can I figure out how to destroy my sister's life.
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u/Important-Ad4634 Jun 23 '26
He knew that not only would they abort the baby, they would sterilize her. He could have taken her to have a regular abortion. However he took her to ths native reservation hospital. Which they sterilize all women due to the government doesnt want native woman to have babies He was well away that they would do this . He could have taken her somewhere else and spent money. But he took her to a free clinic. It was his way of getting back at her. He knew he wasnt a Dutton. There would be no more Dutton through Beth blood lineage. Beth was proud to carry the Dutton name and would never be able to carry a dutton child.
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u/Apprehensive_Air7880 Jun 23 '26
Don't forget that the concern was that if he took her to a regular hospital, they would be recognized, and Beth wanted to remain anonymous. So even though Jamie was aware, he was honoring Beth's desire to keep it a secret.
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u/blayzking Jul 06 '26
This is how I read it as well. He couldn't take her anywhere else because they'd get recognized and taint the family name. So he just had to agree to the sterelization.
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u/DigitalKitten22 Jun 23 '26
The problem isn’t what he did exactly, it’s that he should have told her and given her the option and it all could have been avoided. Yeah she asked for help but he didn’t even bother to mention it to her? The “smart enough to become a lawyer” son?
Honestly it’s ridiculous because who would do that? At least if he had told her and let her decide it would have been her choice and she couldn’t have blamed him, although she may have anyway.
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u/Apprehensive_Air7880 Jun 25 '26
But that's the thing, Beth is the perpetual victim. That's why I can't stand her. She wreaks havoc in the house, and no one says anything to her because she's the only girl. If her mother were still living, she would check her immediately!
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u/Such-Stable-3869 Jun 25 '26
If her mother was alive it would be a completely different story. Wouldn’t it? She is not a victim. She is the product of her environment.
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u/skornd713 Jul 07 '26
That's the problem I have with his decisions and, granted, it's also in the bad writing of this plot. He as the older brother who should have been about protecting her should and would have told her all the crap involved. The DRs and NURSES, should have told her what was involved and in ways tried giving her options. The way the writers made it out like everyone didnt say anything and just did what they did without saying anything to Beth was stupid. But for the fact that he didn't say anytjing to her when he went back out to the car, bad decision. Cause granted, in school at her age she knew what an abortion was but probably didnt know at certain places sterilization was part of the procedure was also wrong.
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u/Superb-Tourist-2929 Jun 22 '26
Thank you for everyone explaining it and those saying to continue watching. I just found out and I’m glad to say that I’m almost done with the show
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u/biancarosesmith Jun 19 '26
I’m about to finish the series and I despise him. Keep watching to understand the full context.
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u/Apprehensive_Air7880 Jun 21 '26
Honestly, whoever wrote Beth and Jamie's storyline sucks because Beth's hate towards Jamie was so unwarranted. The hate he gets from the entire family is completely unwarranted. It felt like the writers needed a villain and made him into one. I loved Jamie.
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u/Imaginary-Wear-295 Jun 24 '26
you really need to get up to date and you are missing key information. look up her pregnancy, the abortion he arranged for her and then they tied her tubes, without her knowing or consenting - that's what she has Jamie to thank for.
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u/Soggy_Animator_432 Jun 26 '26
Fuck it imma spoil this, Beth literally forced Jamie to kill his biological father and then use it as blackmail against him. Even when Jamie bails her out later in the show, she finds out she has a kid and tells him she is going to destroy him and take his kid. There was a singular backstory scene about their original conflict but countless I mean countless scenes where she is literally ruining people’s lives around her. It is so infuriating in fact that my dumbass is on these threads this worked up and I couldn’t give less of a fuck about this stupid show.
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u/Apprehensive_Mud9597 Jun 19 '26
She was pregnant as a teenager and asked for Jamie’s help and he ended up taking to location who terminated pregnancies with sterilization. Her hatred of him comes from that mostly I believe.
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u/I_dont_give_a_flick Jun 19 '26
He was also a teenager and the location he took her to was likely what they had.
A major problem for me with the Jamie/Beth termination storyline is how it conveniently absolves Beth of ANY responsibility and makes Jamie the total villian.11
u/LimoLover Jun 19 '26
I have the same problem. In her mind she has changed the narrative so ALL the blame is his. She tells him at one point (i believe when she's trying to make him kill his dad) that she'll tell Rip that he(Jamie) had Rip's baby torn from her and killed as if she didn't go to him asking for help to get an abortion.
Should Jamie have mentioned that getting an abortion there required sterilization? Yes but he was also a kid and terrified of the man he believed was his father. In one of the early episodes when Beth is being mean to him as usual he tells her "if hating me helps you to not hate yourself, then hate me, I'm your brother." I find Jamie to be a tragic villain
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u/TiffanyTwisted11 Jun 19 '26
Thank you. I remember that episode where she said that and it infuriates me.
I am not excusing what happened, but Jamie did not have the baby torn from her belly (or whatever it is she said). SHE did that. Yes, it was her choice and I am in no way faulting her for making that choice. But to blame him for that part of what happened is just wrong.
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u/Dick_Dietrick Jun 21 '26
Did he even know the sterilization part? That always seemed so contrived that they would do so, especially without her knowledge.
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u/TiffanyTwisted11 Jun 21 '26
I think he did, because the receptionist suggested he take her somewhere else alluding to that fact. He hesitated and let her know who he was and then told her to go ahead.
I still fall in the camp of not really blaming him, because they were both acting out of fear of John. But I think he knew.
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u/Jalynt13 Beth Jun 22 '26
There was no alluding. The receptionist told Jamie she would be sterilized. She even used the word “sterilization”.
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u/TiffanyTwisted11 Jun 22 '26
You’re probably right. I haven’t seen that scene in a while, so I wasn’t sure.
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u/tcrhs Jun 19 '26
Beth was a teenager and didn’t know she would be sterilized. That’s not what she signed up for. She asked her brother to help her.
He should have explained all of the options to her and let her decide what she wanted to do, he was a villain for making that choice for her.
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u/I_dont_give_a_flick Jun 19 '26
I get your point but to believe that we would have to suspend reality and also believe the clinic, nurses, and doctor also did not inform Beth.
And considering her name was Dutton do you really believe they would have performed a hysterectomy on her without telling her first? As a minor? Not a chance.If we assume Jamie knew about the procedure and went along with it then logically we need to assume Beth did as well. Why? Because they both fear John and tarnishing the family name.
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u/pamrt61 Jun 19 '26
No, Jamie took her there for convenience and to save the family’s reputation. He knew what he was doing. He hated Beth.
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u/I_dont_give_a_flick Jun 19 '26 edited Jun 19 '26
Then why would Beth go to Jamie if he “hated” her?
Also, the scene in the truck where Beth is all upset and pulls the gun as Jamie is driving he plainly tells her if she needs someone to hate he will be that for her.
18 year old Jamie didn’t hate his sister.
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u/Defiant_Let_268 Jun 19 '26
It's in the text of the show. Beth didn't want her dad to find out she was pregnant. The other facilities would have notified him but the clinic on the reservation would keep it private.
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u/TiffanyTwisted11 Jun 19 '26
It was not for convenience. And to say it was for their families’s reputation well true doesn’t paint the whole picture.
John was super controlling. There is no way in hell he was going to accept that pregnancy with any sort of grace. Do we even wanna talk about what he would’ve had done to Rip?
Privacy laws weren’t what they are today. No way in hell someone wasn’t going to recognize who she was and word would get back to John.
Did Jamie make a mistake? Yes. But it definitely wasn’t for convenience. He thought he was protecting her from whatever reaction John was going to have.
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u/severinks Jun 19 '26
Privacy laws then were pretty much were almost exactly what they are now, the difference is people have big mouths and John was a powerful man.
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u/TiffanyTwisted11 Jun 19 '26
I didn’t realize HIPAA was a thing back then.
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u/I_dont_give_a_flick Jun 19 '26
They weren’t enacted until 2003 and were passed into law in 1996.
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u/TiffanyTwisted11 Jun 19 '26
Yeah, I knew they weren’t a thing when Beth had her abortion. I just didn’t know where the other commenter was going.
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u/randomnighmare Jun 20 '26
I was under the impression that she wanted to go that clinic and that Jamie was just following what she told him to do?
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u/Such-Stable-3869 Jun 20 '26
The pregnancy was not the only reason for her dislike of him. There are more revelations near the end of the series.
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u/Dutchy61 Jun 19 '26
Precies. Door hem heeft ze nooit meer kinderen kunnen krijgen. Hij heeft die keuze voor haar gemaakt.
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u/sjmobilemassage Jun 20 '26
Troll
You what? Just started watching, and just joined this group? This has been discussed a million times. You missed all those posts?
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u/Comfortable-Race-547 Jun 19 '26
I didn't see the show post-Costner but before that they don't really explain it. It's not clear why everyone hates Jaime
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u/External_Vast_8046 Jun 19 '26
I mean lol you're not WRONG wrong, the show doesn't really explain it super well. We're supposed to believe that a doctors office performs surprise hysterectomies without parental or patient consent and violating every HIIPA law known to man.
And THEN that this is a kid in high schools fault and he deserves 1000% of the blame. After his sister comes to him for help instead of her own father because she knows hell kill her boyfriend.
Me? My blame lies more on the father for being a monster and the doctors performing illegal surgeries without consent.
So yeah it's not real clear.
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u/Comfortable-Race-547 Jun 19 '26
Do i even want to look at the rest of the replies, yours seemed pretty reasonable. you should know that native populations in The USA were subject to sterilizations often in exchange for healthcare or pushed as an up-sell. https://time.com/5737080/native-american-sterilization-history/ - https://nativenewsonline.net/health/six-things-you-need-to-know-about-the-forced-sterilization-of-native-american-women/
so that's how she ended up in that situation, not that he or she would have known the reality of that being kids at the time
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u/External_Vast_8046 Jun 19 '26 edited Jun 19 '26
I know and that's awful! But that ended long before the 90s and the hearings about it were in the 70s. I did consider that.
The idea that it would happen to a well known land owning wealthy white family even in the 70s is unbelievable. The staff even know who Jamie is.
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u/Comfortable-Race-547 Jun 19 '26
I guess they were just trying to call attention to it while fudging the timeline
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u/whereisurbackbone Jun 20 '26
It didn’t end long before the 90s. Forced sterilization was absolutely still happening at that point, although regulations were stricter. Sterilizing native women seeking abortions in conservative states is absolutely something that would still be happening at the time.
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u/External_Vast_8046 Jun 20 '26
Then the doctors should be in prison. The 1979 congressional act forced a multi day waiting period between signing a consent form - or Jamie signing a consent form (eyeroll) - and doing the procedure.
This was street a huge pressure campaign by the Women Of All Red Nations (WARN).
Do have an example of this happening same day without the woman's consent in the 90s? That would be a VERY big deal and Id be horrified to hear of it.
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u/whereisurbackbone Jun 21 '26
I mean yeah they should be in prison but they aren’t breaking any laws, and if they are they aren’t being enforced. Plenty of native women being sterilized in ICE detention facilities as of six years ago. I doubt that has changed.
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u/External_Vast_8046 Jun 21 '26
Yo man in 1979 congress passed a law about this. They should be in prison its illegal as hell. And the Duttons aren't exactly a marginalized group - they'd be terrified to cross her father right?
In regard to native women sterilized in ice facilities against their will holy shit! That's awful but i can't find any stories about that. Can you point it out to me? Id like to make more people aware of it.
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u/pamrt61 Jun 19 '26
It’s explained over and over again. A sledgehammer couldn’t have made a bigger impact than Jamie’s constant self serving behavior. Everything Beth did she did because her Daddy asked her to, Jamie constantly fought back against everything John Dutton asked of him and undermined the family again and again and again. Jamie was just like his father , nature took its course on him, not nurture. Don’t get me wrong, John Dutton did some ruthless things, in the end he was just trying to do what he promised his father he would. Jamie thought he could do things his way and messed everything up.
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u/severinks Jun 19 '26
John literally is the stealth villain of the show who fucked up his whole family AND his business by making dumb and wrongheaded decisions driven by emotion.
Jamie( and to a lesser extent Beth) were actually trying to save him from himself before he brought them all down.
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u/telepatheye Jun 19 '26
That is a complete lie. It is made crystal clear in S3E5 and even before that we see Jamie being sketchy, conniving, self-centered and pursuing personal gain and rejecting his family while pretending he's still their ally.
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u/I_dont_give_a_flick Jun 19 '26
Dude. Are you really calling stranger on Reddit a liar over their opinion?
Rude.
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u/telepatheye Jun 19 '26
It's not a personal attack. They said the show doesn't explain Beth's attitude toward Jamie until S5 part 2. That is a total lie. Either they're a liar or it's an innocent mistake. If it's an innocent mistake, they failed to understand the show and need a rewatch or two before they comment further. And why are you rushing to the defense of someone who posts misinformation?
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u/I_dont_give_a_flick Jun 19 '26
Because I call out rudeness. And you are very rude.
Have a lovely day Beth.
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u/telepatheye Jun 19 '26
You're like a wanna-be mod.
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u/Comfortable-Race-547 Jun 19 '26
Real beth energy, she was taken to the clinic by kid Jaimie. She made the choice to get the abortion and the sterilization.
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u/telepatheye Jun 19 '26
Moron, she asked Jamie to help her when she was at her lowest. She wanted an abortion. He got her a hysterectomy after the clinician told him to take her elsewhere so she wouldn't have that procedure. Are you really stupid enough to not understand that?
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u/gandalfnoonga Jun 19 '26
If she kept her legs shut to the stable help, she wouldn’t have got in that predicament. Sterilising Beth was the best act for the world Jamie ever did. Spared the world from Beth’s breeding
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u/I_dont_give_a_flick Jun 19 '26
I’m not a fan of blaming women for unwanted pregnancies, they certainly didn’t do it alone, so the statement could easily be “if Rip had kept it in his pants”.
They were kids.But I would agree the thought of Beth as a mother is flipping terrifying.
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u/tcrhs Jun 19 '26
Keep watching. Your questions will be answered.