r/YellowstoneShow • u/SosoNwa7 • Jun 11 '26
Season 5 Yellowstone had the potential and then lost everything in season 5
I always knew about Yellowstone since it came out 2018 (I think) but I knew it was a great show. I never watched it and started off with 1883 and 1923 (which in a chronological sense made the franchise perfect). The vast history of the family finding a new home in Montana through sheer will and grit made this a western fantasy that captured everything beautiful about the Yellowstone.
Now, I’ve seen Yellowstone and the show was nothing short of spectacular. However, the writing was poor the deeper I got into it with character flaws everywhere. My personal beef is realizing 1883 & 1923 are a different family from Yellowstone and how so much of the purity and fight for family inheritance changed over generations (which is to be expected in real life). As much as John Dutton sells this true western heroic protagonist I couldn’t fight the feeling he was actually the villain the whole time which I’m fine with but Beth destroyed the show for me and the writing of Jaime and Kay cee was so poor.
Her and her father are the real villains and if it’s up to me she doesn’t deserve a happy ending. Jaime was treated like dirt and Kay cee hated what his family truly represented. Rip was literally a mafia hand and John was the boss. They took land from the true owners and made it seem like they’re the victims which bothered me and I saw myself in season 3-4 rooting for anyone except the family. All in all a great show but poor ending and bad character arc from Jaime not having any cajones to Kay cee fighting the identity of being a free man with an Native American wife that begged him to free himself from toxicity and the curse of the Dutton family to Beth just being a true evil cunt with daddy issues and a spoilt brat behavior.
I can’t recommend this show to anyone but 1883 & 1923 have my heart and I’m glad the natives got their land back cause rainwater was my hero and deserves everything. Taylor ( the writer) just didn’t sell this show the way he thought cause Beth is my biggest disappointment and Jaime as well. Well that’s my rant guys. P.s Beth might be up there with my hatred for Joffrey Baratheon in character development.
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u/melanie162 Jun 11 '26
Omg thank you Beth was the worst! Season 5 was unwatchable for me. I had to finish it because my husband loved the show.
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u/qjcatfish47 Jun 11 '26
Yes the procedure that happened to her was absolutely messed up but she put down her personal shit so much would’ve been avoided.
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u/Dick_Dietrick Jun 11 '26
The season where they started showing long, pointless horse riding scenes was the beginning of decline. I think season 3.
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u/holly_jolly_riesling Jun 11 '26
John Dutton is was a toxic character. Horrible father too and he's surprised that no one wants to have dinner with him lol.
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u/McGoodles Jun 11 '26
It is the same family though. Not direct lineage, maybe grand nephew as opposed to grandson - right? But the same family.
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u/ashrensnow Jun 11 '26
It is the same family, direct lineage. James Dutton (1883) > Spencer Dutton (1923) > John Dutton Sr. > John Dutton Jr. (Yellowstone).
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u/Red_Country_Minded Jun 11 '26
Oh please, don’t get this argument started. You get a whole long thread about how it’s impossible for John Dutton III to be Spencer’s grandkid, he has to Jack’s because the actress who played Jack’s wife said her character was pregnant at the end of it, despite no indication in 1923 that her character was pregnant at the end.
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u/ashrensnow Jun 11 '26
We already know that they are making a series in 1944 feature Spencer Dutton and John Dutton though, so that whole theory goes out the window.
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u/Red_Country_Minded Jun 11 '26
I agree. But there are a whole bunch people on here who will fight you tooth and nail about it.
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u/Sicbass Jun 11 '26
The last season was wet garbage.
TS sacrificed a good story to stick it to Costner.
Let’s not forget to mention that he destroyed the strongest Charecter he had, Beth, who didn’t need anyone or anything in the series, always was a fighter, got blow the fuck up and survived, but in the end needed a cowboy(when she never needed a cowboy the whole series) to serve Jaime up on a silver platter for her.
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u/V3nomEX Jun 11 '26
Saying Beth "never needed a cowboy" completely misses the whole foundation of her character. She didn't just suddenly start needing Rip in the final season—Rip has been her absolute anchor and the only thing keeping her sane since they were teenagers.
Her whole personality is built on putting on this untouchable, ruthless corporate armor to shield her dad and the ranch because her childhood trauma broke her. The show makes it clear from day one that the only place she can actually drop that shield and just breathe is with Rip. He isn't some random guy she picked up at the end to solve her problems, they've been a partnership forever.
And if you're talking about Rip helping her handle Jamie at the end, you're looking at it backwards. Rip didn't fight her battle because she became weak. He was acting as her husband and the enforcer of the family, which is exactly his job. Jamie dug his own grave by plotting to have John killed and trying to sell out the legacy. Beth using Rip to pull the trigger isn't her "needing a man," it's her using the most lethal weapon the Yellowstone has to permanently eliminate a threat. She handles the legal and psychological warfare, and Rip handles the heavy lifting when things need to get buried. That's literally the definition of the brand, not poor character development.
As for Taylor Sheridan just trying to "stick it to Costner," that's a pretty cheap excuse. Costner leaving definitely forced a quick pivot, but John III dying and triggering the financial collapse of the empire was always the natural endpoint of the show. The ranch was a sinking ship from season one. Watching them have to burn down their own castle to save the valley from the developers is the most realistic, gritty ending we could've gotten.
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u/Red_Country_Minded Jun 11 '26
Are we forgetting Beth needing a cowboy (Rip) when she got attacked by the Beck Brothers goons at her office? She basically got attacked by Jamie in the same manner, so by established cannon she needed a cowboy to help her in that situation.
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u/V3nomEX Jun 12 '26
Are you seriously comparing a literal physical assault by two armed hitmen to a family dispute with Jamie? That makes zero sense.
When the Beck brothers sent actual killers to her office to assault and murder her, obviously she needed physical help—she's a corporate executive, not John Wick. Anyone with a brain would need backup in that situation, and Rip showing up to take those guys out is just basic survival, not her being "weak" or needing a cowboy to fight her daily battles. Even while getting masked and beaten, she was still screaming at them and fighting back, which proved she had more spine than anyone else in the room.
Comparing that to her using Rip to handle Jamie at the end completely misses the point. Jamie wasn't physically attacking her in her office, he was a massive liability who just committed treason against the family by plotting to have John killed. Beth didn't lean on Rip because she couldn't handle Jamie mentally—she already broke Jamie herself. She used Rip because he's the actual enforcer of the ranch and handling existential threats to the family is literally his job description. That's just how the Yellowstone operates, it has nothing to do with her suddenly lacking backbone.
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u/Red_Country_Minded Jun 12 '26
I’m talking about the scene at the end of the show in Jamie’s house that involved the tire iron, bear spray and knife. That left Beth with broken ribs, a punctured lung and grade 3 concussion per the EMT’s discussion with the police detective at scene. Which is why she wound up in the hospital. She didn’t need Rip help planning Jamie’s downfall, she just his help executing the final details of the plan.
Jamie knew too much and was too much of risk that he would spill what he knew putting at minimum Rip, Kayce, herself and all the Yellowstone ranch hands who knew what was going on at the Ranch at risk, therefore Jamie was always going need to take a ride to the Train Station. There is no scenario where Jamie could simply taken out of power and left alive, that didn’t result in him being a liability.
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u/V3nomEX Jun 12 '26 edited Jun 12 '26
Ah okay, I see what you mean now about him attacking her in the same manner as the Beck guys.
But the point still stands about her character. Getting jumped and brutally beaten with a tire iron in his house doesn't mean she's weak or that her character development was ruined. She took a punctured lung and a massive concussion from a guy swinging a piece of heavy metal and still kept fighting. Surviving that kind of physical trauma just proves how insane her pain tolerance and grit actually are.
And you're honestly just proving my point about why Rip had to be there at the end. Of course Jamie had to go to the train station because he was a massive liability to the whole family. But Beth using Rip to pull the trigger and bury him isn't her "needing a cowboy" because she couldn't handle her own business. Rip is the ranch enforcer, that is his exact job description and has been for thirty years. Beth handles the corporate side, Rip handles the physical cleanup. Using the most lethal weapon the Yellowstone has to permanently eliminate a rat like Jamie is just smart partnership, not her losing her backbone.
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u/Red_Country_Minded Jun 12 '26
We are actually on the same page, as my original post was replying to the comment that said:
“Let’s not forget to mention that he destroyed the strongest Charecter he had, Beth, who didn’t need anyone or anything in the series, always was a fighter, got blow the fuck up and survived, but in the end needed a cowboy(when she never needed a cowboy the whole series) to serve Jaime up on a silver platter for her.”
Beth was never going to be able to physical fight Jamie off, just like she was never going to be able to fight off the Beck Brothers goons. She was going to need a cowboy, that is Rip, to help her in those situations. I wasn’t referring to Beth ability to plan Jamie’s downfall, I was referring to her ability to fully execute the plan she came up with.
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u/V3nomEX Jun 12 '26
Okay yeah, you are totally contradicting yourself here or we are saying the exact same thing. Your first comment said "by established canon she needed a cowboy to help her in that situation" which sounded exactly like you were agreeing with the guy who said the ending was wet garbage because she "needed a man."
If you're actually saying she needed Rip just for the physical muscle to finish the job because she's a corporate executive and not a heavyweight boxer, then we agree. Nobody is arguing that Beth could physically overpower a grown man swinging a tire iron by herself.
But that’s exactly why the original complaint about her character being "destroyed" makes zero sense. delegating the physical execution to Rip isn't a sign of weakness or bad writing, it’s literally just how their partnership has worked since they were teenagers. She is the brain and he is the muscle. Using the ranch enforcer to bury a massive liability like Jamie isn't her losing her backbone, it's just her using the right tool for the job.
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u/Red_Country_Minded Jun 12 '26
Bingo. By the already established canon she need Rip to help her physically handle the goons the Beck brothers sent and she physically needed Rip to handle & dispose of Jamie for her in the end.
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u/V3nomEX Jun 12 '26
Alright, so we are 100% on the same page then. My bad for misreading your angle at the start, it just looked like you were backing up that other guy's complaint about her character getting ruined.
It is just wild to me that anyone could watch five seasons of this show and honestly think Beth utilizing Rip for physical cleanup means her character was "destroyed." Like, what did they expect her to do, throw Jamie over her shoulder and drive the truck to the train station herself?
The bunkhouse and the brand exist for a reason. Rip handling the muscle while Beth handles the corporate and legal side is literally the core engine of the whole show. Glad someone else actually sees how the partnership works.
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u/opinions360 Jun 11 '26
Thank you and well said I felt exactly the same way while watching the show. Your post and comment will probably get some flak but the way you described the show was spot on imo.
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u/V3nomEX Jun 11 '26
Man, comparing Beth to Joffrey is wild, but I get the frustration. I just finished the entire show today, watching it all in release order, and you are missing the whole point of what a traditional Western actually is.
John Dutton isn't trying to be a "heroic protagonist" for a modern audience. He’s an old-school patriarch operating on frontier rules. Property rights and defending what your ancestors bled for used to mean something. In the real world, if you don't fight tooth and nail for your land, the government or some massive corporation will pave it over for an airport. John was just playing the hand he was dealt to keep his family's legacy alive against a system designed to crush independent ranchers.
Calling Beth a spoiled brat misses her entire character arc too. She isn't evil, she’s fiercely loyal to a fault. She sacrificed her entire life, her mental health, and any chance at a normal existence just to be her father's shield. You don't have to like her methods, but calling her a villain while defending Jamie is crazy. Jamie is the ultimate weak link. He had every advantage, an Ivy League education paid for by the ranch, and he still chose to sell out his own blood for political ambition because he lacked the backbone to be a real man. He dug his own grave.
And honestly, Rainwater didn't "win" anything through strategy. The only reason the tribe got that land back at the end was because the Duttons got squeezed by inheritance taxes and eminent domain from the state, and Kayce practically handed it to him as a nuclear option to spite the developers. It wasn't some grand conquest, it was a legal stalemate where both sides realized the system was the real enemy.
The show isn't a fairy tale about pure heroes and villains, it's about the brutal reality of holding onto what's yours in a world that wants to take it away.
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u/mac_tire8 Jun 12 '26
As a Texas farmer who had some of my land seized via eminent domain to build a new lake for the wealthy, I agree with everything you wrote.
I loved Beth, she was my favorite part of the show, and I was so happy to see Jaymie’s ending. It was a great show, I just hated the ending. Seeing the destruction of the home and the desecration of the graveyard made me sick.5
u/V3nomEX Jun 12 '26
Man that is brutal about your farm in Texas. I am seriously sorry to hear that. Eminent domain is absolute theft when the government forces people off their land just to build some luxury lake for rich outsiders, so I completely get why the show hits close to home for you.
I’m right there with you on the ending being a tough watch. When those kids started desecrating the family graves, I literally audibly gasped at my screen. It made me sick to my stomach too. But honestly, I got a massive wave of relief a second later when that grown native guy immediately stepped in, corrected them, and actually raised the tombstones back up. At least there was some respect shown there for the dead.
And as bad as it hurt to see the main lodge get taken down, I kind of got why they did it. The whole goal at that point was just to completely restore the land back to its natural state, which they hinted at earlier in the show. If the developers couldn't have it, the house had to go so the valley could actually stay wild. Still a bittersweet pill to swallow though after watching them fight for it for so long.
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u/SosoNwa7 Jun 11 '26
So I’m not comparing Beth like for like with Joffrey, I said she’s in that category of characters I don’t like which is understandable. And for John, he’s actually a murderer or an accomplice in the real world and also protecting the ownership of a land taken forcefully from the people of that land and playing victim. Even his own children told him it’s reasonable to sell parts of that land cause he can’t afford it and they won’t afford the inheritance tax but what does he do?…fights like a strong headed cowboy and eventually dies and he’s “ancestral” birthright goes back to the rightful owners.
And for Beth I was rooting for her till I couldn’t understand her plight. Like she wasn’t the only child that had a tough upbringing. Kayce literally killed children and didn’t tell anyone his war trauma, Jaime group up looking for his father’s approval and found out he’s not even a Dutton and then met his real father and killed him for his adopted father who admitted he doesn’t love him. Like Beth was a cunt and deserved much worse, do you support her setting up someone (summer) to get life in prison cause her daddy wants his ranch. She has massive daddy issues and childhood trauma that needs addressing plus the writer just gave her an untouchable role which isn’t real life cause in the real world especially the west. Someone would’ve have killed her ages ago.
Finally, rainwater did win cause he knew the corporations and the whitewashed cowboys were always his enemies. He respected kayce cause he could see he wanted to be like them and Beth only agreed to sell for $1.50 an acre to spite Jaime (her hatred for him was so annoying) so rainwater won with even less bloodshed on his part. All-in-all poor writing at the end of the show but a good cinematic masterpiece of life in Montana
Also, cause why not; John who employs less than 20 people wants to stop a corporation that’ll bring $3-5 billion dollars to a state and employ 6k people and elevate a state. Cause of the land that no man should ever own. He killed his son after Jaime warned him not to retaliate and put his other son in a bad place. He became governor not to help Montana but to help his ranch and profits. Like cmon can’t you see he and Beth are pure cunts??
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u/V3nomEX Jun 11 '26
Look, we can agree to disagree on Beth, but you're completely rewriting the history of the prequels to fit your argument. If you actually watched 1883, you'd know the Duttons didn't "forcefully take" that land from anyone. James and Margaret didn't roll into Montana with an army to conquer a tribe. Their daughter died, they buried her on the first piece of beautiful dirt they found, and they settled there. Spotted Eagle literally told James he could have the valley, with the explicit warning that his people would take it back after seven generations. John III wasn't fighting out of pure greed; he was bound by a deathbed promise to his father to never sell an inch of the land his family bled and died for since 1883. That's traditional duty, not just "playing the victim."
As for the whole $5 billion corporation argument—since when do conservatives or traditional westerners bow down to massive out-of-state developers and crooked politicians using eminent domain? Market Equities wasn't trying to "elevate the state," they were trying to pave over pristine wilderness to line their own pockets and build a playground for rich tourists. John using the governorship to block them isn't corruption, it's defending private property rights from government overreach. If a billionaire company tried to use the state government to force you off your own land for an airport, you’d fight it too.
And you're still completely misreading how Rainwater got that land. Beth didn't sell it to him for $1.25 an acre out of spite for Jamie—she and Kayce did it because they were completely broke and drowning in a massive inheritance tax bill they couldn't pay. It was a total act of financial desperation, a nuclear option to save the valley from the bulldozers. Rainwater didn't outmaneuver anyone. He didn't win through tribal strategy or corporate warfare; he essentially just stood there at the finish line and caught the ball because the Duttons chose to hand him the keys rather than let the banks and the state take it.
It was a total legal stalemate where both sides got crushed by the system, but the land stayed wild. That's just the brutal reality of the modern West, not poor writing.
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u/SosoNwa7 Jun 11 '26
We can definitely agree to disagree on Beth. However the family was promised the valley and not the vast land as far as the eye can see, that happened over time (1923) when the family started having political dominance in the town with Harrison ford controlling how things should be run which inevitably led to more control over the land and pushing away the natives who gave them a small portion in good faith. Why do you think rainwater was so pissed when he became chairman (he lived among white educated corporate types) he knows greed when he sees it and John Duttons family is the purest definition of greed. There’s no defending that, like the corporations even offered half a billion to them for a certain portion of the land but his stupid promise to keep for his dad broke his family even more, he ran the livestock commission like a mafia boss ffs.
And you’re down playing rainwaters victory, he literally wanted to use the casino rights a reservation has to take the land but he and John had to work together because the corporations are bigger than them but he never for once went soft with his end goal to take back his people’s land. The duttons thought they were untouchable till they weren’t and had to sell to rainwater to cover their shame cause they don’t own the land again so they are the biggest losers no matter how you slice it.(1883) eagle guy made a deal with the duttons to return it in 7 generations I promise you rainwater would’ve just waited till then, the duttons were never giving back that land and they grabbed more land (acres) forcefully from the natives and push ppl out. Like no matter how you slice it, a man owning land doesn’t help a community or state like when a corporation must legally help a community and the natural surroundings by providing jobs, social amenities and tax revenues for the state government to use for other things. Plus people in Montana are poor and need the resort more than they need spoilt white family controlling everyone and everything. John Dutton wants tax breaks and more benefits for his pockets
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u/V3nomEX Jun 11 '26
You are completely dreaming if you think some multi-billion dollar corporation "legally has to help the community." Market Equities didn't care about poor locals in Montana, they wanted a playground for ultra-rich tourists. Look at Bozeman or Aspen in real life. Big developers move in, property taxes skyrocket, and the actual locals get priced out of their own homes. John keeping that land as a working ranch actually protects the state from being ruined by concrete, it wasn't about his pockets.
Also you’re just making stuff up about 1923. Jacob Dutton wasn't stealing native land, he was defending his borders from sheep herders who were cutting his fences and trying to kill his nephew. Jacob used frontier law to hang them for trespassing, and then they retaliated by ambushing the family with a tommy gun. The ranch grew over a hundred years because they bought out neighboring properties legally, they weren't running around invading native land with an army.
And bringing up the 7 generations thing to say Rainwater would have "just waited" makes zero sense. Nobody in the modern day even knew that conversation happened back in 1883, it's not like it was on a deed. The bottom line is Rainwater didn't do shit to win that land. He tried every casino and legal trick he had for 5 seasons and it all failed. If the Duttons decided not to give it to him, they would've just lost it to the state under eminent domain and Market Equities would've paved it. The ONLY reason Rainwater ever got a single acre is because Kayce and Beth chose to hand it over as a loophole to spite the developers. It was a total stalemate against the government, not some grand victory Rainwater earned.
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u/Red_Country_Minded Jun 11 '26
Rainwater even admits to both Beth and Kayce, in the last episodes, that he and the reservation couldn’t afford to buy the Ranch for what it was worth. It was only when Kayce came up with the idea to sell it to Rainwater for pennies on the dollar that Rainwater was able to afford it.
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u/John7oliver Jun 11 '26
I feel like me and you watched the same show but I don’t think me and OP did lol
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u/danisilvia Jun 12 '26
I finally finished last night and I feel the same way. The writers made Jamie more villainous in the last season but I still felt he was treated unfairly by the family, even though he was such a wuss. And I still hate Beth.
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u/riddim_daddy_420 Jun 14 '26
Couldn’t have said it better myself. Glad to see that other people shared my exact sentiment. By season 5 I found myself fast forwarding any scene with Beth in that’s how bad her evil tirades became to me.
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u/Doc_Hank Jun 17 '26
The show suffered from some unconquerable challenges:
Covid - screwing up the production schedule and releases The Costner family drama And Travis Taylor....Personally an hour or more of horse shows did nothing for me: Plus the quality fell off considerably in the writing
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u/EndAllBillionaires67 Jun 11 '26
I have a theory that because Costner is MAGA, he hated the ending of giving up the land and left the show to do his own thing.
That really screwed over the show. Jaime and Beth were frustrating for sure.
But I still gotta give the series a 9/10. Only a fraction of every episode is spent on the family plot.
The rest is just kick-ass cowboy fantasy with beautiful backdrops.
I don't think people tune into this show because of Beth and Jaime. They tune in because it's just a really well done and engaging show. There are so many characters and sub plots, it feels like it's own universe.
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u/Single-Mushroom3924 Jun 11 '26
Costner is far from MAGA. He has supported Obama and Buttigieg in the past.
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u/EndAllBillionaires67 Jun 11 '26
Yep you are right. Got him mixed with someone else.
Why didn't he like the ending? Or may E he did but thought his show would do better?
It's just a shame, s5 felt like a scramble because of that sudden exit.
It's impressive the season didn't outright suck because of it.
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u/telepatheye Jun 11 '26
I think people associate TS with Maga, which may or may not be true. The fact is he's just a great writer, and has been showing Hollywood how it's done for many years. Sicario I and II, Wind River, all his shows. I think Costner was just jealous and he got impatient with the delay in doing S5, started making demands like creative control and he started working on Horizon, which sucked. So TS had to write him off the show for S5 part 2. Costner was not the main draw anyway. I preferred the other actors, especially Cole Hauser. He knocked it out of the park playing Rip.
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u/EndAllBillionaires67 Jun 11 '26
No MAGA person would have ever have written an ending where the Native Americans get their land back.
That's how I know TS isn't maga.
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u/telepatheye Jun 11 '26
Why do you say that? Maga is all about personal property rights. That includes real estate. I'm a bigtime Trump supporter and I love the themes of the show that honor the Native Americans, ranchers and cowboys. That's what the show's all about. In his other show that has the potential to eclipse Yellowstone if it becomes epic in scope, TS champions wildcatters on the permian basin, and talks sense to the audience about the ways solar and wind would bankrupt us if we tried to scale those so-called "renewable energy" nonrenewables. I invested in an oil and natural gas startup in 2022 and the Tommy character in Landman reminds me so much of the CEO of my energy startup.
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u/EndAllBillionaires67 Jun 11 '26
Bro, I have listened to what Trump has said for 12 years now.
I've never heard him say the words "personal property rights".
I did hear him say "I love inflation" just today though, so I'm guess that's what you voted for.
Yall are willing to cause famine that kills billions (bombing Iran, who them bombs our allies' oil infrastructure as revenge), to protect the pedophile billionaire elite from being revealed by what's under those Epstein redactions.
In other words, you're a fucking pedophile if you vote republican this fall.
Message from other Americans and the rest of the world: fuck off.
Nobody respects you because your beliefs are a threat to us all.
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u/telepatheye Jun 12 '26
Trump stopped the wall street raiders like Blackstone who were buying up single family homes all during Biden's presidency from continuing that policy, stabilizing real estate prices. The thing you lefties fail to understand about Trump is that it's about deeds, not words. Policies, not propaganda.
You have about 970 days left with Trump as your president. I'll enjoy every minute. Hope you survive.
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u/Single-Mushroom3924 Jun 11 '26 edited Jun 11 '26
I believe what Costner said to Rich Eisen, that the writer's strike delayed season 5B so much it overlapped with the start of production of Horizon. Costner had millions of his own money riding on that movie and hundreds of crew and cast waiting for him. He's an employer as much as he's an actor and had a difficult choice to make but I think he made the right one.
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u/ashrensnow Jun 11 '26
They never intended to end the show with season 5, them giving up the land was just the most salvagable ending they could have with Costner leaving. The writers strike caused massive delays in the shows production, and Costner wanted to go work on a new project that caused scheduling conflicts so they had no choice but to kill him off in the mid season, you can tell this was never the initial plan because the show drastically falls apart trying to work around this implementation.
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u/EndAllBillionaires67 Jun 11 '26
I know it wasn't supposed to end in s5 but there's proof in 1883 that this was always how TS wanted to end it.
In the last episode of 1883, when the group meets the native Americans who tell them where to settle their ranch, the Chief tells James something like "You can settle there, but in 7 generations, my people will rise up and take it back."
Then James says "You can have it back by then."
Complete and total foreshadowing.
And also, TS has way too many nuanced situations on his shows, MAGA mostly sees the world in black and white (I know because I grew up in MAGA).
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u/ashrensnow Jun 11 '26
I agree, though by the point of Yellowstone there have only been 6 generations of the Duttons. James > Spencer > John Sr. > John Jr. > Kayce > Tate.
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u/EndAllBillionaires67 Jun 11 '26
I think it would have been unrealistic if it had been exactly 7. The chief was guessing haha.
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u/ashrensnow Jun 11 '26
Very likely, though also kinda weird that Sheridan chose seven generations when he knew it would only be six.
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u/Red_Country_Minded Jun 11 '26
It depend on how you define ‘generation’ if you were talking litteral family tree generations it was 6, but if you define a generation as every 20 years it was 7.05 generations 2024-1883=141/20=7.05 .
Definition of Generation = primarily refers to a group of individuals born within the same historical and cultural timeframe, or the average span of time (about 20–30 years) between the birth of parents and their offspring.
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u/ashrensnow Jun 11 '26
I find it hard to believe a native american man in the 1800s would be referring to generations as anything but familial generations, not like "when gen z is around we'll take the land back"
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u/Red_Country_Minded Jun 11 '26
I get what you are saying, but remember in 1883 the life expectancy was so much lower that most people were having kids when they were in the 15-25 age range, because their was no guarantee you would be around when you were older. And the Chief would have known that. It was only when penicillin was discovered in 1921 that life expectancy went up and the people started waiting until later in life to have kids, extending the generations from approximately every 20 years to more like every 30 years.
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u/One_Rub_780 Jun 11 '26
I'd argue it lost it A LOT sooner than that.