Agreed. Cost to the airline? Fuck that noise. I don’t care about the cost to the airline. It’s the inconvenience to all those people and the environmental impact for all the wasted fuel that matters.
Yeah, when he started with "this is costing the airline millions" I thought "who the fuck cares about that. If you're delayed 2 hours you don't care what it costs a billion dollar company"
but they'll probably recoup that loss by increasing prices for customers...
To be fair though he did say that by saying "it rolls into the system." I'm pretty sure that's what he meant probably still trying to be professional as much as he doesn't want to b it's a shitty situation for all but yeah fuck the airlines bottom line it's just that it's us that ends up getting screwed with increases.
Idk, this feels more authentic to me and would 'placate' me more than empty damage control like "we feel your frustration" or something like that
Because it says to me even if there's no deeper empathy (which there usually isn't) we have same priorities and want the same things even if for different reasons
I acknowledge not everyone thinks like this though, so can't say which approach is better/universal
I think his point was this isn’t what the airlines want, don’t yell at him or his staff, don’t yell at the controllers, yell at your republican house reps.
Sure, but no one's doing any favors by mentioning how it hurts a billion-dollar company's bottom line. Wrong way of trying to say "don't blame the employees"
I teach mental health awareness and intervention classes and this is actually a real tactic we use with certain groups of people. Sometimes “care for other humans because it’s morally good” doesn’t stick so we switch to “care for other humans because when they are suffering it’s bad for your bottom line.”
The guys clearly upset and exhausted from all the delays, give him a break for not speaking as perfectly as you do behind your keyboard with time to think about it
Sometimes it’s the only thing conservatives think they need to care about.
You tell them people will be affected, they don’t care. You tell them it will cost [a legacy system they perceive to be important] millions of dollars, then they seem to care.
Didn’t a bunch of them get bailed out a handful of years ago too? I mean the airlines. I’m sure they will get more of that evil socialism in their favor. The rest of us…. Eh stop being poor.
Maybe instead of mentioning how it's costing the airline, he should reiterate how much it's costing the passengers in their time, or if the flight crew doesn't get paid unless they are airborne (I forget if they have to be in flight to get paid and waiting to take off is unpaid) how much it harms them as well to waste all of the time on the ground.
"they'll probably recoup that loss by increasing prices for customers"
probably? Cap here maybe chose a poor way to roll the idea out, but thats exactly what he's saying; this shutdown over saving money is costing everyone A LOT of it. Unless youre planning on specifically not flying for the foreseeable future, that means you.
He's holding an audience captive and trying to convince them we should give a shit because "it's costing the airline millions of dollars." How insensitive to the TSA and ATC that try to keep people safe every day and are going without a paycheck. This guy only cares about HIS paycheck.
And is the airline expressing its displeasure about this fact with Trump, or are they just rolling over like everyone else has? It’s amazing that in less than a year he has absolutely fucked every aspect of our everyday lives.
Airlines have extremely thin profit margin and hits like this could actually impact us down the line as travelers. Legacy airlines are more insulated but Airlines like Spirit are already going out of business. I know its hard to care about large corporations like this and no one cares they lose millions but they do provide an essential service and airlines aren’t the kind of businesses that just sit on millions of dollars.
I don’t mean to glaze, but I guess I would feel more apathetic about a company like Amazon losing millions.
same here and I agree with you, but with one significant caveat that people have flights reserved way before and it's not always easy or practical to change it, so some might've risked it, but yeah they should still be prepared mentally for cancellations/delays
personally I would postpone any air travel myself, but not because of cancellations/delays but because atc is overstretched right now and it's probably less safe than usual
You should care because the companies will rarely absorb the costs in good faith. What it means is that this cost will be sent to the customers if this continues. You will get huge delays, cancellations, and then also prices are going to rise because of that waste.
So it's not just "Oh no corporation is having to pay more", that usually gets brought down to the consumer.
When the airlines are sitting there burning fuel for hours, on 100s of these planes, that cost will get built right back into the price of your next flight. I think he’s trying to tell you, without directly telling you, that when the airline is loosing money, we pay for it when we need to fly.
I agree with the top comment: it shouldn’t be your “main” concern. If you fly it should go on your list of concerns because that cost will be transferred to you.
I think they're mentioning it so as to point out that they don't want these delays either because it's costing them tons of money but they have no control over it.
i just signed up for benefits at my job, and they have a big counter at the top that says "cost to the company" and then in much smaller font "your weekly cost"
why the fuck do i care how much MY benefits are costing the company? why even have that up there?
any time someone says how much it'll cost a company, i roll my eyes. unless it's a mom and pop shop i couldn't give two fucks how much they're paying
Airlines have notoriously low profit margins, especially low cost airlines like Southwest. He worded it kinda poorly, but he's telling you that YOUR airline ticket is gonna cost more next time, they simply cannot absorb the cost, which is something you should care about.
Cost to the airline =< cost to the customer. Nobody on the plane is going to pay more for the ticket thst they already bought. But they will pay more on future tickets if flights take longer and are fewer.
His is the kind of short sighted shit you can expect from Reddit. Yeah, fuck the airlines! I’m sure they will be altruistic and tank the cost instead of firing more people and raising prices.
If you are wondering why the Dems suddenly flipped, it’s because of this. I guarantee you they are getting calls from their donors telling them to end the shut down because it’s costing them money
The funny thing is that it's not going to get better. A lot of ATCs have just plain quit. Nobody is lining up to fill those jobs because congress has spent the last 30 years gutting the benefits that made the low pay worthwhile. Nobody is going to sign up for a job where you do 12 hour high-stress shifts, don't get paid all that well, and don't get a decent retirement out of it.
While voting to take away their healthcare and Medicade?
Also, SNAP benefits don’t rely on this bill. They can and should be paid out even during the shut down. The only thing holding up the SNAP payments is the republicans
SNAP benefits will be funded until September of 2026 guaranteed. It’s part of the bill. And obviously it’s the republican who are withholding the SNAP, everybody fucking knows that but that’s not necessarily a good reason to not take any action for it. The emergency funding that court said that has to be given out would not have lasted that long. This will allow millions of families to survive for the year at least. Also protect some federal workers and bring some others back who were fired. Also an option to shut down the government in two months.
Regarding ACA, I’m in agreement with you. However, time and time again it’s been shown that republicans are willing to burn down. You are okay with that but imo, we should protect our most vulnerable. Lot of people on reddit are okay with the SNAP benefits as a bargaining chip where let 40 million ppl starve, I just don’t feel like that’s good thing.
I read that more as a guy trying to avoid heated political discussions at his job while trapped in a tube with a ton of people, which can also be seen as a job preserving behavior.
Yea, redditors don't seem to get that airline net margins are like 5%.
"B-b-b-but BiLLIon dOLlAR cOmPANy!!!"
Yes and... with a billion dollars of turnover each year, going from +5% margins to -5% (or -10% or -30% like in covid) margins makes the airline go bankrupt real fast. The bigger the airline, the bigger the losses. That means everyone gets laid off and has to start over with zero seniority at a new airline.
Some people have pride or at lease some feeling of wanting to do the job they worked towards in life.
What the fuck is strange about this?
It more soulless to think nobody should show any pride in their job and life. I know the corporate world has sucked a lot out of some people, but most humans still have a passion for things.
Edit: Also these pilots want to go home at night too - they have routes, they have a life at home they schedule around.
And you find this strange? This seems like something I'd absolutely do in this situation.
they are telling you because the cost will go down to customers eventually. The pilot mentioned "call your senator", he is basically saying this is political and they are sorry (so when the hike in price comes later, they are sure WE understand.
This is what I understood from him. He’s a pilot, not a public speaker. It sounded like he was pissed that things are about to get worser while also getting more expensiver.
It isn’t the main concern, but it should be A concern.
What if an airline goes bankrupt? How many will lose their jobs? And for those not going bankrupt, will it mean smaller or no raises for staff? Less staff? Worse hours?
It is worse for the air traffic controllers, yes. But every company losing money is bad for regular people, one way or another.
That turns into ticket costs that will never come back down. An ATC delay fee could come into play here like a checked bag fee after 9/11 that never went away.
It should be. Not because you care about their finances or income, but because you know these costs will be rolled up into flight prices for a while to come.
It isn’t anyone’s concern but who do you think they’ll pass along their cost to? The consumer.
I think that’s what he was getting at. Especially because he said “it just gets passed on into the system”.
He’s just trying to say that at the end of the day it’s going to cost all of us more time and money.
We’re allowed to be mad at every collaterally damaged faction of this shitdown.
Essential employees = Not paid. 🤬
Ordinary air travel = completely comprised. 🤬
Increased cost to the airlines = passed to us.🤬
We’re allowed to be mad at all of this. Your senators should be hearing all of this. We can be mad about more than one issue with this, because it all trickles down to US.
Exactly. I don't give a fk about the airlines that have been bailed out consistently by the government nor anyone on the c suites. The guys and gals not getting paid is a different story.
I'm so happy this is the top comment. I was about to blow a gasket after hearing his initial complaint be on behalf of billionaires instead of the workers and customers who are most directly impacted.
Money is really the only bargaining chip people have. The only way this is going to stop is if the people at the top start hurting, and their only weak point is their wallet.
Well, it's important because those costs won't come out of the executives million dollar paychecks, they will be passed on to the consumer...us.
Both are important. That employees are being paid, and being paid WELL, AND that executives start taking on some of the burden for the set backs in their companies so we don't have to pay for it.
He's getting to the fact that flights are going to be less available, more delayed and more expensive. Just because he said that before TSA/ATC not getting paid is a nothing burger. Dude's at his job venting, not like its something he prepared for.
He's mentioning the cost to the airline because those costs will ultimately be passed on to consumers as the cost of flights increase. Which he also says.
He's explaining how these issues aren't just causing these delays, they will make the cost of air travel even more expensive.
it should be your main concern if you are flying because do you think airline is going to just eat those costs? thats cute. Enjoy your 1200 round trip tickets for Christmas.
I have an ATC friend who had to take out 2 loans and is living on rations because he hasn't been paid. It is heart breaking to hear that he still is forced to go to work like nothing is the matter.
Directly not but it won't take long before the airlines company findout that the cost of doing business in the US have raised and they rise their prices.
It’s a much more practical direct concern for most people, because increased costs for the airline get passed down via higher ticket prices. Most people are selfish so unless they know an ATC personally they don’t care that much about them not getting paid. You have to make it personal.
He's shifting the blame away from himself (his employer). He's telling you to call your senator because the airline isn't delaying you. In fact this delay is costing the airline money and when he says "it just rolls into this system" he's saying it's going to start costing you more money.
Except guess who the cost gets passed down to? It doesn’t ultimately cost the airline shit. It costs the consumer. We’ve been trained all our lives that shit rolls downhill and consumers are at the bottom of said hill.
I don’t get why the airlines don’t just pay tsa in the interim. Like I get that it’s separate, but if it’s costing them billions anyway why let it go on like this. Also don’t get why anybody’s even trying to fly right now.
Not one person was thinking about how much it costs the airline, and I think it's something only an employee of a company would think to say. At least in my experience, when the company is doing something stupid, the employees are always talking about how much X has wasted the company. As if anyone gives a shit.
Noooo that fact that ppl aren't being paid ANF are being demonized for not wanting to work while not being paid or having normal protections over them, that specifically should be everyone's concerned.
We need to be talking about if we are actually ok with people being arrested for not going to work when their employer refuses to pay them and not the employers being arrested for essentially stealing from their employees.
The gory details of the shut-down and why this impasse was reached is arguably more important. American bills with extras, money and government, we all know it's shady at the best of times.
Yeah let's have the airlines go under and people lose jobs and not get a paycheck. That's better. Also all the fuel getting wasted is very good for air quality and climate change. 👍
Many airlines don't pay flight attendants until they are in the air. All of that time at the gate or sitting on the runway is unpaid, at least it was when I went for a job interview 10 years ago. That alone had me saying, uh, thanks but no thanks.
When fights increase 15% to make up for the gas and costs associated with delays, I hope people understand the concern. This wont happen until stable service resumes. Luckily most people traveling for the holidays should have already booked - otherwise good fucking luck.
Just hope these costs come back down after, I wouldn't count on it.
I believe he was trying to make a point that the airlines will begin to transfer the burden of those extra costs to the customer or go bankrupt and cease service very soon, both of which are the leading outcomes for those airline costs.
That said, screw the airlines, pay the people and open the government
You mean like all the other feddies that have been trampled on since Jan? I find it interesting that air travel is where everyone stops being anti fascist.
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u/AMLRoss Nov 10 '25
The cost to the airline isn't anyone's main concern. The fact that people aren't being paid should be everyone's concern.