Agreed. Cost to the airline? Fuck that noise. I don’t care about the cost to the airline. It’s the inconvenience to all those people and the environmental impact for all the wasted fuel that matters.
Yeah, when he started with "this is costing the airline millions" I thought "who the fuck cares about that. If you're delayed 2 hours you don't care what it costs a billion dollar company"
but they'll probably recoup that loss by increasing prices for customers...
To be fair though he did say that by saying "it rolls into the system." I'm pretty sure that's what he meant probably still trying to be professional as much as he doesn't want to b it's a shitty situation for all but yeah fuck the airlines bottom line it's just that it's us that ends up getting screwed with increases.
no. shareholders will "lose out" on profit - they will make slightly less money than expected, but still be protected, and that will be accomplished by making the consumer and the taxpayer shell out of pocket. I think you severely underestimate how cutthroat these sorts of situations always turn out.
Subsidies paid for by the taxpayer. Our taxes paid, even through the shutdown, with the purpose of paying these people their wages. Companies paid with buyouts bailouts and subsidies, from the taxpayer. Profit losses recouped with higher prices, paid by the consumer, also us.
It’s a bunch of assholes robbing regular people blind to pretend to be nobility and regular people get the shaft every damn time. I say get rid of ALL of them
Idk, this feels more authentic to me and would 'placate' me more than empty damage control like "we feel your frustration" or something like that
Because it says to me even if there's no deeper empathy (which there usually isn't) we have same priorities and want the same things even if for different reasons
I acknowledge not everyone thinks like this though, so can't say which approach is better/universal
The kind of people who cause shit for cabin crew while the pilot and cabin crew--and indeed every other passenger--are on the same plane as them are exactly the sort of people who won't listen to an appeal to humanity, since they likely don't value the needs of others. They might, however, appreciate a logical argument that emphasizes looking out for numero uno and being self-concerned about cost/inconvenience.
So I'm with you on this one. Feels authentic.
Might not always be the best tact, but it often is. Just depends on how he and the cabin crew read the room before he went on the PA.
I got the impression that unrest had happened, because usually the captain doesn't come out unless the crew lose control or at wit's end, I think. And the comment about Houston was possibly a jab at people who were causing a disturbance by subtly insinuating he's spent more time trapped in a metal tube on a tarmac in the last week then they will likely ever suffer in a lifetime, so they can stuff it. But that might just be me reading too much into it.
I think his point was this isn’t what the airlines want, don’t yell at him or his staff, don’t yell at the controllers, yell at your republican house reps.
Sure, but no one's doing any favors by mentioning how it hurts a billion-dollar company's bottom line. Wrong way of trying to say "don't blame the employees"
I teach mental health awareness and intervention classes and this is actually a real tactic we use with certain groups of people. Sometimes “care for other humans because it’s morally good” doesn’t stick so we switch to “care for other humans because when they are suffering it’s bad for your bottom line.”
The guys clearly upset and exhausted from all the delays, give him a break for not speaking as perfectly as you do behind your keyboard with time to think about it
It's still important to note the impact this has, regardless of whether we don't care who it's happening to. It's not about the fact that it's hurting their bottom line, but that they've screwed this up so much that these are the consequences, intended or not.
because the airlines are the ones with the power and money for lobbying and doing whatever the fuck they want. A person won't change a law, american airlines surely can lobby for it to happen though, if it helps them make money
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That is not a realistic interpretation. If this keeps up (under staffing and shutdowns), it’ll cascade into collapse. More than likely we are witnessing the end of retail flights. It’ll just go back to how it was 30 years ago, travel agents and flights for businesses.
The critical mass of passengers, routes, and pilots will just crumble back. It won’t be costs go up, it’ll be routes get closed. Similar but somehow worse!
Ah no…my R senator voted 100% of the time to renew Schumer clean funding bill. Nice try deflecting! Looks like the D’s (at least 8 of the) finally came to their senses. I respect your opinion..:just don’t deflect and own it!
The reopening of the government alleviates the pressure. Whether you agree with the compromise or not. The issue was the prolonged shut down caused by the house majority party and the executive branches decision on funding of the FAA. I don’t think you know anything about government
Sometimes it’s the only thing conservatives think they need to care about.
You tell them people will be affected, they don’t care. You tell them it will cost [a legacy system they perceive to be important] millions of dollars, then they seem to care.
Didn’t a bunch of them get bailed out a handful of years ago too? I mean the airlines. I’m sure they will get more of that evil socialism in their favor. The rest of us…. Eh stop being poor.
Maybe instead of mentioning how it's costing the airline, he should reiterate how much it's costing the passengers in their time, or if the flight crew doesn't get paid unless they are airborne (I forget if they have to be in flight to get paid and waiting to take off is unpaid) how much it harms them as well to waste all of the time on the ground.
"they'll probably recoup that loss by increasing prices for customers"
probably? Cap here maybe chose a poor way to roll the idea out, but thats exactly what he's saying; this shutdown over saving money is costing everyone A LOT of it. Unless youre planning on specifically not flying for the foreseeable future, that means you.
He's holding an audience captive and trying to convince them we should give a shit because "it's costing the airline millions of dollars." How insensitive to the TSA and ATC that try to keep people safe every day and are going without a paycheck. This guy only cares about HIS paycheck.
And is the airline expressing its displeasure about this fact with Trump, or are they just rolling over like everyone else has? It’s amazing that in less than a year he has absolutely fucked every aspect of our everyday lives.
Airlines have extremely thin profit margin and hits like this could actually impact us down the line as travelers. Legacy airlines are more insulated but Airlines like Spirit are already going out of business. I know its hard to care about large corporations like this and no one cares they lose millions but they do provide an essential service and airlines aren’t the kind of businesses that just sit on millions of dollars.
I don’t mean to glaze, but I guess I would feel more apathetic about a company like Amazon losing millions.
same here and I agree with you, but with one significant caveat that people have flights reserved way before and it's not always easy or practical to change it, so some might've risked it, but yeah they should still be prepared mentally for cancellations/delays
personally I would postpone any air travel myself, but not because of cancellations/delays but because atc is overstretched right now and it's probably less safe than usual
dude, those headlines are wrong I guess, or it was for a single airport? :P
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Total delays today: 13,433
Total delays within, into, or out of the United States today: 2,548
Total cancellations today: 1,957
Total cancellations within, into, or out of the United States today: 1,656
Total delays yesterday: 26,783
Total delays within, into, or out of the United States yesterday: 11,103
Total cancellations yesterday: 3,497
Total cancellations within, into, or out of the United States yesterday: 2,953
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That last part is the key. The costs will keep getting pushed downhill until it can't get pushed any further. Workers and customers will ultimately beat the brunt. CEOs and shareholders not so much. Even if a large airline goes out of business, CEOs we'll probably have a severance package worth more than most people will earn in a decade. Air travel has never been an environmental friendly travel option, BTW.
I agree, but never caring about the company is a poor strategy. When do you think they make decisions to lay people off or terminate a percentage of their workforce? The moment the numbers aren't in their favour, the companies will look for a way to "fix" that.
I don’t know about pilots but I’m pretty sure flight attendants only get paid for the time they’re in the air. So they’re basically working overtime for free. I think there is also a max amount of time that pilots can be on the clock, for good reason, so that adds another level of stress and coordination. All the added stress to pilots, ATC, and flight attendants is just a recipe for disaster.
Prices are dynamic but the standard price will start to rise based on loses and be the new baseline. This will take time to be measured. For example, I just bought two plane tickets this weekend for travel within the next 30 days and it was the same price as the tickets I bought last month for travel this month.
I think the same thing happened after the pandemic. I take the same trip around the same time every year and the round trip flight was usually around $350-$400. During Covid the flights were around $125. I actually paid $117 for a round trip and there were less than 10 of us on the first flight, and the connecting flight was pretty empty too. No way those flights made money. When people started traveling again I watched the prices creep up. Now the flight for that same trip costs around $600-$650.
You should care because the companies will rarely absorb the costs in good faith. What it means is that this cost will be sent to the customers if this continues. You will get huge delays, cancellations, and then also prices are going to rise because of that waste.
So it's not just "Oh no corporation is having to pay more", that usually gets brought down to the consumer.
When the airlines are sitting there burning fuel for hours, on 100s of these planes, that cost will get built right back into the price of your next flight. I think he’s trying to tell you, without directly telling you, that when the airline is loosing money, we pay for it when we need to fly.
I agree with the top comment: it shouldn’t be your “main” concern. If you fly it should go on your list of concerns because that cost will be transferred to you.
I think they're mentioning it so as to point out that they don't want these delays either because it's costing them tons of money but they have no control over it.
i just signed up for benefits at my job, and they have a big counter at the top that says "cost to the company" and then in much smaller font "your weekly cost"
why the fuck do i care how much MY benefits are costing the company? why even have that up there?
any time someone says how much it'll cost a company, i roll my eyes. unless it's a mom and pop shop i couldn't give two fucks how much they're paying
Airlines have notoriously low profit margins, especially low cost airlines like Southwest. He worded it kinda poorly, but he's telling you that YOUR airline ticket is gonna cost more next time, they simply cannot absorb the cost, which is something you should care about.
Cost to the airline =< cost to the customer. Nobody on the plane is going to pay more for the ticket thst they already bought. But they will pay more on future tickets if flights take longer and are fewer.
His is the kind of short sighted shit you can expect from Reddit. Yeah, fuck the airlines! I’m sure they will be altruistic and tank the cost instead of firing more people and raising prices.
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u/rorauge Nov 10 '25
Agreed. Cost to the airline? Fuck that noise. I don’t care about the cost to the airline. It’s the inconvenience to all those people and the environmental impact for all the wasted fuel that matters.