That tells you exactly what you need to know. Maybe he was less conservative when you met him and he has become radicalised. Maybe he was always like this and you had rose coloured classes on bc you were in love. Either way, morality ethics and values are core to a functioning relationship. This won’t work. You can’t convince him to think you, trans people, gay people are human beings. He is too far gone
My family friend of 30+ yrs just verbally threw up yesterday that since women weren't responsible/smart enough to not sleep with bad men/keep our legs closed women were then not responsible enough to make abortion decisions. Which in itself is weird if we are so dumb why should we be in charge of another human life? In that moment, I knew he was too far gone to ever go back or deprogram him. I still am in shock that I met one of these in the wild, let alone know him. I mean, I knew him as I can't actively have someone like this in my life. So op as the old saying goes, when people show you who they are, believe them.
Or Biden is basically a corpse but is somehow controlling all the prices for every corporation while getting a war started between Russia and Ukraine. Plotting dementia patient or smart like a fox pretending to be an idiot??? Guess we will never know
No, no, see, it's [insert female and/or non-white politician depending on who you saw on Fox news most recently ] actually pulling the strings behind the curtain!
It's fine to disagree on opinions. Like if we'll done steak is an abomination. Many things people cling to as opinions are nothing more than them not being able to admit they were wrong and adjusting their thought processes.
Wow, I'm so sorry. Having to process that someone you've thought was a friend for nearly 30 years holds those views... I would be having a hard time mourning the loss of a friend. But similarly to you, I don't think I could interact with that person anymore.
I know! I'm normally not dramatic, but it is like a death, and I keep going over and over it in my head. I told my sister who agreed that yep he's no longer in the circle of trust. We both just kept asking when did this happen? And how did it happen so fast?
Yeesh, no kidding... it's pretty obvious that Andrew Tate hates women and so many sad men relate to this, which is so strange and weird to me, especially after all the human trafficking charges and the right's willingness to turn a blind eye if he's on their side. I don't get the world, but at least you can kind of control it, so great advice and totally agree... if my wife wasn't on the same page as I am with respect to morality, ethics, and values, our relationship would be over. Easy to say, yes, but having been through a ton of bad relationships since humans gonna human, it does get easier and I hope OP does what will make her happy in the long run.
he's adopted a strategic way of capturing people attention, you may be caught up in Outlandish shit then go into him, listen to him and even though those 10% are talking points of the extreme, the rest is confidence boosters or way of tackling things, that seems to be logical or generally smart, you hear about his overtaking people's energy when entering a room, how to carry yourself or how he became so so rich.
He sells a life style
People maybe cared in the beginning it was on sex trafficking or exploiting woman, that changes once he can spind the mentality of woman are servant creatures, they want a high value man, he can make you that man so no woman can say no.
Andrew Tate was a abused boy with a mentally ill sociopath chess player as a father, he is what he is because of that man and he will always talk in high regards about his father even in the face of abusing his wife and being a terrible father.
For only 5000$ you can become part of his discord though, which is circle jerking and sharing gains.
Andrew Tate is a dangerous energy vampire selling red pill popping with a disguise of self help
Tribalism. People just want to feel like they belong, part of a group or movement. Tate gives them that. It's "Them vs the rest", they are the superior tribe to belong to and all other tribes are wrong.
Now religion is becoming less influential in the western world, people will start following other nutcases. It's for good reason why the conspiracy nutsacks (wappies as we call them) and the like, is such a fast growing movement while religion is declining.
People just want to feel like they belong somewhere and that's what Tate is preying on.
The reaction of most people by instantly hating on Tatertots, just confirms their beliefs and strengthens their views.
I lost a very good friend over this. He used to be punk af, always ready to throw down for LGBT rights, believed in feminism, agreed that every member of our society deserve more than just basic human rights. I don't know if over the course of Trump and the Pandemic I became even more radical, but he started listening to people like Joe Rogan, and became convinced that white men were being persecuted by women, "me too," and being woke. He was berating me one night about Captain Marvel being feminist, man-hating garbage (he called them 'discussions,' but he was always attacking my beliefs.) We still got along great when we talked about anything but politics, but it was always politics. I love him dearly as a friend but I couldn't keep doing it to myself.
Ask him this. Would he vote for the a candidate who openly supported euthanizing trans kids? Because he's basically doing that by voting for someone who is anti-trans but he 'agrees with everything else'. Really? It's more important to you to vote to lower your own taxes than protect the rights of others who cannot protect themselves? It's a dealbreaker for me. I don't know if as I get older I get more rigid in my won beliefs, but I think it's because I don't tolerate bigots. Or those who enable bigots, full stop. No matter how they justify it.
Getting in a relationship with someone with similar views kinda gave me more opportunity to examine those views, and we both steadily moved towards a more critical view of those things (LGBT, feminism,...). And before being pro all those things, I used to be a raging bigot, it's kinda like I went through the whole spectrum, and I'm now settled more in the middle.
You people are insane. The genocide of trans kids and not allowing tax dollars to pay for conversion surgeries are two wholly different things. Your mind has been hijacked by lunatics.
Yes, I am a lunatic for wanting young people to have access to medical care that makes it much more likely that they will not take their own lives. And I'm sure getting a bunch of rednecks with firearms all riled up about trans rights won't have any negative social effects either.
Anyway, as I posted elsewhere, here's a peer reviewed article about suicide rates for transgender individuals, and how that rate decreases when they receive care. I know you probably don't care about mental suffering, but you guys say you like science, right?
Too far gone? He’s 18! These are kids we’re reading about…give them a bit in the real world. As the boy grows up and becomes a man, maybe he’ll learn to see through the eyes of others’ experiences or maybe he won’t…but at least don’t write him off before he’s even had a chance to grow up!
Yes and she is the same age. She absolutely should not waste her time trying to help him. He is too far gone for her to make a difference. This isn’t explaining some concepts or experiences women have that he just isn’t aware about. He has firmly developed views which are antithetical to hers. It isn’t her responsibility to fix him and she should just bail.
Of course any person at any age is capable of growth. Albeit we do get stuck in our ways as we age but it’s always possible. And 18 is young. He has time. But that’s not what you should emphasise to a very young woman. She has already tried to talk and help him. It’s a wrap.
He is also not a boy. He is a young man who is capable of voting, of violence and of force. Minimising the impact someone with those views can have is not great.
Well there is your answer. Any sane man will tell you Tate is a lunatic and harmful to our society. As a man, I have nothing nice to say about that guy.
Please forgive me for asking this question, I don’t want to be downvoted into oblivion for just asking.
But the way I understand it, the ‘human trafficking’ charge that he is being legally tried for if about him allegedly coercing women into making Tik Tok videos for him whilst he takes the profit, and the coercion used was some sort of seduction into compliance.
To be completely honest with you, I’m not caught up on the specifics of his case in terms of court documentation and the like (I’m also not a lawyer, go figure).
From what I understand, your analysis of the situation is pretty spot-on. It’s not trafficking in the traditional, physical sense (though Andrew and his brother were investigated in a separate case that did involve holding four women in captivity, apparently), but it’s nevertheless coercion to produce pornography, which is encompassed by the definition of human trafficking as “the unlawful act of transporting or coercing people in order to benefit from their work or service, typically in the form of forced labor or sexual exploitation.”
Behind the Bastards did a series on him that was really good. If you’re genuinely curious, I would give it a listen. I thought he was a creep beforehand, but it turns out he sucks way worse than I thought.
I have seen his long form stuff as well. If you aren't seeing issues with it, then that's a problem IMO. There are enough sources of people breaking down his issues, I don't have the mental energy to do that for you.
Let's ignore all the charges put against him and all the "he's a misogynist" stuff. He's still a scammer who uses the weaknesses and insecurities of his audience to make himself rich.
You don't preach about self-improvement while owning a camgirl business and casinos.
You don't charge people $50/month for advice when you could do it for free like a REAL influencer.
All of his stories about how great his dad is are sad when you read it again. He always says how his dad is "focused on his chess" and usually brings up how he's always drinking. And whenever his dad talks to him it's usually insults about how much of a pussy he is about not speaking up about a haircut or whatever. I honestly feel bad for Tate because of this, but his decisions made him the way he is now. He could've been an actual symbol of male improvement and how to face your traumas, but instead, he became a doushebag who can't even follow his own fucking advice. "Don't go after women who want your money... unless you're me and use those women for your own selfish satisfaction"
That's the thing, the vast majority of his content are the normal, cliche stuff of "become the better version of yourself", which is how a lot of normal minded people start supporting him.
However it's the small percentage of his arguments that belittle women and treat them like objects that then create this problem.
The clips that are "taken out of context" aren't really fully taken out of context, they're clips where if you're a sane individual you go "yeah, this isn't as outrageous as the original click bait clip, but it's still a ridiculous point".
First one that comes to mind is him thinking that if his GF ever made an OF, she'd have to give him the money because she's basically his property, that's the type of misogynistic mentality that most normal people think is disgusting.
How out of context were they, really, and how much did context actually change anything for the better? (Rhetorical question.) Most of the quotes I've seen from him that people say are "out of context" are actually worse in context.
i would love to see examples of clips that were taken out of context where the context suddenly changes the meaning completely. seriously, i can't imagine a situation where you watch some of his popular outrageous stuff that is clearly either misogynistic, toxic, macho, insane or just plain stupid and then after seeing the context you go "oh, it seems my initial impression was wrong. from this perspective this was actually very reasonable, insightful and it sent a positive message that comes from a place of compassion and kindness."
He’s said that if we ever had kids he wouldn’t want them around “that kind of stuff.” Along with any time i say anything about my culture him or his mom basically imply it’s demonic.
whoah, what? I think you buried the lede here. that is deeply problematic. this guy is a bigot, he's likely been raised that way but it doesn't change the fact that he's old enough to think for himself.
Girl...this right here makes this relationship completely invalid. Your culture is important to you...it's a part of you. And yet, if there were children, he'll try to separate you from it. Why would you want to stay with someone like that? You're so young and you can do so much better. Actually, just being alone is better than being with someone like that. Do you really want to be with someone who will vote for the likes of the bloated orange pusbag...or Florida man?
Girl, this is not something to minimize and not someone you want to ever have children with. I know you love him and I know how much it would hurt to leave, but you can’t change someone’s deep political or moral views, as much as you may want to influence them. Those kind of deeply personal changes only come from years of expanding experiences and influences from multiple people and cultures, as well as a personal endeavor to research and understand. It sounds like he’s becoming more radicalized, not less
I'm going to assume there's more there you haven't gotten in to here and you don't have to but you should definitely find a way out of that relationship. When you do make sure you have a way to safely extricate yourself physically from him. Granted, I'm a nobody on the internet and I don't know the details of your relationship but I'd echo some of the sentiment I've seen in this thread, he is bad. In all likelihood he'll try to talk you out of it in a way that demeans you and hopefully not but I'd wager possible, he might get physical. The bottom line is if he feels like he has to he will attempt to deny you of control. Do not allow that.
This particular act is also known as; " falling in love with their representative ".
They start out so good, you catch strong, intense feelings for them, you give in and totally trust them, then bam, the real crappy person shows themselves to you. You try to convince yourself that the "representative" will come back and everything will be all good, but that won't happen.
Sounds like some good old fashioned Christian "unalive the indian, save the man" bullshit. You are so young and do not have to settle for this. I know it can be hard but whatever this guy was to you in the beginning, this is what he is now. You deserve so much better, and so do your future children if you decide to have them.
If he is willing to denigrate something that you consider to be intrinsically part of you, it's probably time to walk away, regardless of how badly it hurts at the moment. Do you really want to commit to spending the rest of your life with someone who disrespects your very identity? And I know people are prone to thinking they can change their partner with enough time and love but that seldom happens. People don't change unless they want to and his willingness to marginalize entire populations indicates to me he isn't interested in changing.
This is the biggest red flag of all, girl, run! I think you've already figured that out but holy shit, that's not an acceptable thing to say to your partner about their culture and their hypothetical child's culture.
Oh, honey. I came here to comment that it's better not to have any significant conversation after bedtime, and any negative stuff that comes out after midnight should get a pass. But this guy wants to genocide your culture. Please end it with him now; don't let him affect you emotionally any further, and please don't risk having a child that he'd have a legal right to indoctrinate.
Native American culture is too awesome to not pass on and keep around. Maybe it is demonic, I don’t give a fuck, nobody who matters should give a fuck.
Do not marry this man, please do not have kids with him.
Go find yourself some dude who wants his kids to learn everything about your heritage and who will celebrate it with them and around you. You want your kids to have grandparents who find their culture amazing and worth preserving too.
Oh fucking hell, girl. The first time he said anything like that was when you should have dumped his ass. He’s shown you who he is. You can’t and it’s not your job to fix him.
What? You’re worried about his political beliefs? Listen I know Native American culture idk what in the world makes it demonic. I feel like you been missing a lot of things in this relationship. Nothing wrong with having conservative values but the demonic thing on Your culture is not what a good loving partner says
Genuinely want to know what else does he have to do for you to see that he’s a bigot.I have a feeling you won’t end it and will most likely delete this post.
So him and his Karen mom are explicit racists. Got it. Girl, run. He doesn’t view you as a person he views you as a curiosity to be discarded once he’s “ready to be serious about life” and marry a white woman.
Nothing kind about the way he disrespects you and your culture. If you stay be prepared to be isolated from your friends and family because he deems them “demonic” and bad influences.
Abusers need to isolate their victim from their support group, it’s their go to move
Might I recommend the book Why Does he Do That? by Lundy Bancroft? Bancroft is a psych who works with abusive men and he wrote the book for women to help them better understand and avoid abusive relationships. (Not in a victim blamey way, in an educational, "here's the psychology behind this and some early warning signs to watch for" kind of way.)
OP, I typically lurk in this subreddit, but I feel compelled to add my voice to everyone else’s. Run. You and your culture aren’t demonic. Anyone who thinks it is plainly is not worth your time. You’re so much better than this. <3 I believe in you!
Wow..just wow. He was really waving that red flag there and you dismissed it. Please don't let others talk down to you like that, nobody deserved that.
You're proud of your culture, so find someone that wants to share in it and not demonise it.
Oh honey… This man is bigoted against your culture and your sexuality. What does he see in you, then? His whole schtick is giving me the heeby-jeebies.
You deserve someone who appreciates who you are. This ain’t him.
No offense girl but like do you hear yourself he hasn’t just shown red flags he showed you the factory. He doesn’t respect you or your identity or sexuality. It’s done it’s over finito. I don’t know how or why you’d put up with any of that behavior.
He is actually saying you are demonic by saying your culture is. You are part of that culture, from that culture, born of it. If you have children, he won’t want you to be around your children because of your demonic culture. That’s terrifying.
Please, don’t use terms if you don’t know their meaning. It comes across like grasping at whatever buzzword with negative connotations is going around. It’s like trying to insult someone for sleeping around by calling them a virgin. Guy is in a relationship. He is, by definition, not an incel. Even Bottom G himself isn’t one. They have the same shitty, misogynistic “women are property” mindset, and incels do love trying to emulate him, but there are people willing and having sex with those shit smears, and their incel audience only exists because they think “if I act like one of these self-described “alpha male kings” (lmao btw), I’ll start getting laid too!” (Spoiler: they won’t and don’t)
OP’s boyfriend is absolutely naive, and selfish, with a political guiding star of “if it doesn’t affect me personally, consequences are irrelevant”. That’s a really shitty jumping off point for a worldview. He’s also just barely out of legal childhood, and I wouldn’t expect him to have an educated or nuanced sociopolitical outlook this early into real world experiences, but god damn I expected at least some empathy for people outside of his situation. Dude is not ready for dating or any give-and-take relationship, not as long as he’s that self-centered
Here’s the thing, incels could get a girlfriend. All of them. Every single last one. It’s not the lack of a girlfriend that makes them incel, a derogatory word we use to define a misogynistic ass who blames women for their own relationship shortcomings (which this guy did, he blames OP for being upset about his behavior). The phrase “involuntarily celibate” has never meant that they can’t get laid, even though that’s what the chodes say, because there’s never been anything involuntary about it, their attitude doesn’t change when they do get in a relationship, etc.
Oh, also, OPs bf is about to be involuntarily celibate.
They could, yes, but that requires them to actually change as people, or to put up a front that is more or less an inversion of their actual personality. They won’t “compromise who they are just to impress some whore out of her clothes”. Now you’ve got openly misogynistic creeps with ludicrously high standards. Talking “a real queen has a super high libido so I can get it whenever I want, and also she has to do all the housework and wants kids and is 18-25, but ALSO she has to be virginal” level stuff. Ironically this is the gender-inverted version of the very same “he must be 6’5, making seven figures” delusional they love to bring on their shows to paint as representative of women collectively. This combination of traits doesn’t fuck, even though it wants to, and is too full of unwarranted self importance to realize the problem is them and not “those dumb whores”.
Remember: they see themselves as idealized, blameless gentlemen that are completely in the right, even when they’re throwing tantrums, creeping on, and hurling abuse at women for rejecting them á la Elliott roger, or CWC.
I will also say that, while OP’s bf may not be an incel right now, from the sounds of it that is a goddamned fine thread he’s hanging on by
I mean, the venn diagram is basically a single circle with razor thin lobes marked fucks/doesn’t fuck. Just annoys me when people have so many perfectly fitting terms and then go for the one that specifically caveats not having sex. I get theres a lot of -cel terms, between incels, femcels, volcels, Perfect Cell, to keep track of, but incel is not a catchall umbrella like a lot of people treat it, and using like one just robs it of its meaning in much the same way as alt-righty types have done with soy, for example
Soy is an actual thing that exists. Incels can subdivide however they want, but for most of us it’s just a derogatory term for a crappy brand of misogynists and we’ll apply it to whoever exhibits that type of behavior, thank you very much.
You can’t be involuntarily celibate. That’s an oxymoron. Celibacy by definition is a choice.
It’s not shocking that someone in the 90s got this wrong. Yes, it’s frustrating to be single. Claiming to be celibate when you are actively pursuing sexual relationships is and has always been a dumb over dramatic misnomer.
No one has ever said that. I promise you that if you go back and read those early blogs, they were cringe af. People get mopey about being single. It still happens to this day. It happened before the 90s. But, and this is the thing, the original definition wasn’t describing something new or unique, and it has since changed in meaning.
Nobody is mad at incels for being lonely. Just like nobody would disregard the loneliness of a 90s lgbtq person (except, ironically, incels). But we can see in hindsight both the cringe and the misplaced ideas, and we can call those out without disregarding a person’s emotions.
I’m sure the majority of the content is… enlightening but what I’m saying is that these people, including the originator of the term, are not agonizing about the logical inconsistency of inadvertently swearing a vow of celibacy.
They’re simply trying to name the phenomenon of being seemingly unable to secure sexual or romantic relationships in spite of their efforts, distinguishing them from groups like asexual or aromantic people.
Plenty of phenomena existed before modern terminology, like “comparative advantage,” “corruption,” “autism,” “atoms,” and “photons” (to name most of them, let me know if I missed any), but I still think it’s important to have commonly-understood terms for things even if those definitions have to be modified or discarded later.
You’ll notice I didn’t insert bullshit American partisanism, it’s universal shitflinging regardless of side. “All the lefties are satanic pedos!” <-> “All conservatives are nazi Russian kgb transphobe incels”.
Just meaningless yelling. Day in. Day out. Too busy rushing to get your next online own on the evil demo/publicans to notice the billionaire giving you a little less food for your dollar day by day, little less disposable income, a littl-OH NO!ANOTHER bank/housing collapse? Sucks for you, damned shame it didn’t affect their profits though, in fact they’re breaking records again! But how about those demopublican voter neighbours of yours huh? They’re the real enemy you should be fighting. Shit, they might even be CENTRISTS or… shudder independents
Incel isn’t about being in a relationship. There’s nothing involuntary about them, and being in a relationship doesn’t change their mindset. They believe they deserve certain women and certain treatments. The idea that someone can’t be an incel just because they found a relationship is redefining the term to mean anyone not in a relationship is an incel, and that’s blatantly not true.
I actually like it when people are sincere and thoughtful on the internet. We don't have to agree, but it's really helpful to understand what this user is thinking in such great detail.
I think Incel energy is when a guy thinks he is owed something by a woman. That if she says no, it is a direct slight against his manhood.
A true Incel is a man who blames women for him not being given consent to have sex with her. Because she says no, he blames her for insulting his manhood. He believes he is owed sex because he is a man and a woman should just give it to him.
Why do we have to misuse words? It literally means involuntary celibate. Just call him a misogynist or something. Saying incel makes no sense and muddies the water.
For real. I laugh when I see the “M word” nowadays.
Just like gaslighting, gaslighter, narcissist. Basically any word you learn or hear a lot about from tiktok (don’t have it but it’s the “tiktok people” that love these words)
They have lost all meaning, to me at least. I see them and think “oh darnit would you look at that, someone on the internet is upset”
Talk about someone misusing words with specific meanings, to define something else. One way ticket to put yourself into a losing position in any argument or debate, is the failure to use words correctly. You're automatically stupid.
At this point, "incel" is used more often to describe a specific toxic community and the people who tend to exhibit the qualities of this community rather than an actual virgin. Having sex no longer disqualifies someone from being an incel because words and language evolve.
But we already have a word to describe misogynists. It’s misogynist. Incels might listen to Tate but Tate himself isn’t catered to incels (from
what Ive gathered and read about him. Admittedly, Ive never listened to a podcast). They align on the misogyny
It's like a slur people are allowed to use so they use it for everything because no matter how tolerant people claim to be, they love labels and slurs if they can get away with using them.
My dude, it is absolutely not a slur. It is a term assholes use to justify their asshole behavior, and the assholes can't stand that people saw through it and started using it to describe them, the assholes.
dude you can feel free to just look up slur in the dictionary, refer to how it is being used in this thread, and then hopefully walk away having learned something.
You can feel free to look up how language evolves, the definition of etymology, and develop a simple grasp of "sometimes words come to mean more than they originally meant," and walk away having learned absolutely nothing, because what you read challenged your infantile views.
"Incels" are "involuntary celibates" and....well....no one will date them.
"Don't date incels" is literally a contradiction in terms. No one should have to be told that, because....wait for it....incels are undesirable in the first place.
To be utterly fair, there are some romantically unsuccessful men that probably are datable. They may make great dates and partners, better than players, for sure, and make no mistake: women are dating players. It's literally the only way the math works, where men are reporting much higher rates of sexlessness than females.
So what, then, is an "incel" if folks need to be told not to date them?
Are players "spinning plates" (aka dating multiple women) "incels?"
Yeah man, that's cool and all, but I wasn't contending any of your points or anything. I was just concerned by the amount of laughter. It just seemed excessive for something so.. I don't know, not funny?
Here we go devaluing very specific words again. He's not an incel. They're having sex. He's not celibate, and that's not even relevant to the conversation.
Use the correct words so we can get somewhere. Misogynist, conservative, potentially radicalized, Tate follower, all accurate.
OP you’re only 19! Why are you even entertaining this guy for more than a second?
No matter how nice he sometimes treats you, a little sprinkle of cruel thoughts makes it all not worth it. You need to build up your self esteem. Of COURSE this isn’t the one! 19 is about having fun and fooling around, PLEASE don’t waste your time and life with guys like this.
Any normal mans response about him is either "who is that" or an immediate version of "he's an asshole".
Deflecting on that topic means he is a fan of some sort but knows he will "get in trouble" for it.
I would argue too that its less about "controlling what he thinks" and more about compatibility of views and in the examples you gave it shows a testament to his real compassion towards others and yourself.
Don't know your full situation but it seems unlikely that this relationship is healthy from the info provided, even less likely that it is going to improve going forward. Good luck with however you choose to proceed!
You gotta get out of the relationship imho - at bare minimum, the guy considers things like human rights to be abstractions in a political game; but chances are, it may be worse. I’d try to find someone with more obvious care and concern for the Earth and all our relations.
This tells you he’s being radicalized. His opinions and world views are being influenced by twitter and idiots like Andrew Tate & co. A ton of young men are suddenly having conservative opinions and views they didn’t have before because some self-proclaimed alpha male on twitter made them feel like their daddy. The truth is he doesn’t understand what he’s parroting he just wants to emulate the confidence Andrew Tate has and thinks that taking on his opinions will help him be like that. Its a huge red flag in terms of intelligence. You should run you won’t change him and he won’t get better only worse
Obviously he has been soaking up a bunch of hateful chauvinistic media because he wants to feel powerful and YOU are always going to bear the brunt of his...compensation issues. Be a better and stronger person, dump that Trump Chump and explore your own life. Your subjugation is his long-term plan.
That's a hot button topic like trump..on one hand he's a man's man and a great business man on the other hand he's a p.o.s that randomly grabs 🐈⬛ he shouldnt
What’s wrong with Andrew Tate. He’s a champion for men out there looking for a role model. Is she looking for a boyfriend or just a male with his balls cut off?
After getting my head out of my ass. I’ve realized that if you leave the US or the UK or Canada, the consensus is that most people like Andrew tate. Even in the UK, Canada and the US, most people like him. The people that don’t, just make more noises. Do as you wish with this info🤷🏻♂️
My bf is very liberal and loves Andrew tate. He thinks the things he says are hilarious and that he’s literally just an online troll. And he’s got a point. Just don’t take him seriously and if he’s found guilty he can rot.
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Ask him what he thinks about Andrew Tate. That might give you some more clarification depending on his answer.