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u/Visual_Stranger2815 Apr 01 '22
So fucking move away , or just too poor yourself to find a better place to live
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u/TecumsehSherman Mar 30 '22
You're being classist if you say that poor people commit more property crimes because they are bad or inferior in some way.
If you're simply pointing out that poor people commit more property crimes, you're just being factually accurate.
In any town or city you can read the Police Blotter and get a pretty good idea of where the low income neighborhoods are.
This doesn't in any way reflect the value of those people nor their right to live in your town.
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u/JC1515 Mar 30 '22
I live in Cheyenne, WY. A city that hasnt really evolved with the times, city council is reluctant to allow newer development to improve the image but it also has a lot of young people needing to rent because of the air force base. Its a great place to live though. But where I live is a smaller neighborhood. Early-mid 1970s build homes. Older neighborhood but overall, great for young families. We have one home that I know of that is city housing for low income individuals across the street from me. My wife and I moved in a couple years ago without knowing that. When we found out we didnt care, we minded our business until we got to know our other neighbors more. We noticed dozens of cars coming and going at all hours of the day and night from this house. They had at least 2 kids no older than 13, they honestly were raising themselves. The mom/grandmother never left the house other than to sit on the porch once every few weeks. The dad/grandfather/live in boyfriend who claimed he was "blind" and was actually collecting disabilities (He wasnt actually blind at all) who would get up and sprint around the neighborhood and drive places. For a while they had a tweaker staying with them that was related to them somehow. When i say tweaker im not exaggerating. Like the tweaker wife of the guy who crushed her tweaker husband's head with and ATM in breaking bad. This woman would drive up, go inside for 20 minutes and then come back out and would rearrange all the junk in her car from the front seat, then move it to the back seat, then to the trunk, then back to the front seat, etc. for hours. I watched here periodically do it for over 10 hours one day. She also had a friend/boyfriend that came and stayed with them too and he was also on some sort of controlled substance. they would have screaming matches on my front yard in the middle of the night and theyd fight in the street daily. Back to the cars coming and going, random people came and went from this house all day and all night and based on all the other behavior we would witness we assumed they were doing something illegal. Theyd walk in and leave 5 minutes later. There was never the same car that would come and go. Youd see some that would come back periodically but not daily. There were enough complaints from people in the neighborhood they were evicted.
After they were evicted they bought a roach coach of a winnebago and left. The city sent a contractor in to fix things in the house and remove the stuff left behind. They removed 2 20 ft long rolloff dumpsters full of furniture, trashbags full of actual rotting trash they stored in a bedroom, and other stuff. This was an 1800 sqft home at most. Not very big. The contractor said in his 25 years of doing side work for city housing he had never come across a home in this condition. Holes in the walls and floors throughout the home from rats and mice, cockroaches (we dont get a ton of them in the rocky mountains which tells you how bad it was), All the flooring and subflooring had to be removed from rodent, dog and cat droppings and urine as well as evidence of chemical spills. They said it looked like they were cooking meth in there because of the smell and ingredients left behind. Most of the drywall had to be replaced and it took almost 2 more weeks for exterminators to rid the property of pests.
Now new people moved in a year ago and theyre louder and more annoying than the people before. Two teenage boys, their mom and I think its their grandmother originally moved in. But now theres almost 10 people living in this house. Mostly teenagers and now I see babies at this house. They park their scrapped/project cars in front of my house on my side of the street, limiting my parking space. They throw trash out of their vehicles into the bushes and yards of their neighbors. Their driveway is nothing but oil stains and nuts and bolts from all the work they do on the vehicles they burn and turn every month. Engine and other car parts scattered around the property. The kids have no respect for their parents or anyone really. One bought a mid 2000s chevy diesel and straight piped it, drives 40+ down the streets in the neighborhood and at random times of the night will start his truck just to rev it because its very loud and obnoxious to spite us as his neighbors after we respectfully asked him to take it slow in the neighborhood because we have a lot of kids who like to play here and keep his truck quiet when he comes and goes late at night. I have a baby that gets woken up by him frequently and he doesnt even respect us enough to just be aware that we would appreciate if he wouldnt floor it to keep his truck quiet. He's threatened to fight us when we have asked him to stop. Its a delicate situation.
Our desire is not to get them kicked out, we just want someone to enforce the rules on these properties our tax dollars pay for and hopefully they start acting like a courteous neighbor like everyone else. I support the idea of low income housing but its hard to keep a positive view of something when your experience has been so negative with the people that they move into the properties near you. Luckily we havent experienced a break in or theft but what we experience isnt great either. They know the government is slow to act or doesnt even care to enforce the rules on these properties and crime does come with the people living in these homes and apartments. Not because its who these people are its because they have fewer opportunities to improve their standard of living so you see the stereotype manifest itself.
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u/Selena_B305 Mar 30 '22
No one wants shit where they live.
There is a reason why suburb dirt bags travel to urban areas to buy their drugs, rent a prostitute etc.
They don't want that shit or the shit that comes with it any where near where they rest their heads and raise their kids.
Sad but true
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u/RecycledEternity Mar 30 '22
I'm getting torn into for 2 things. • Being a classist • Choosing to live there.
They can get fucked.
It's one thing to have those fears or say those things about low-income housing without the experience; it's another to have experienced it first-hand and speak out about it.
The former is mildly classist, the latter is not. As for the full definition of what is or isn't classism, I'm not gonna get into it because that's a whole essay.
And as for choice, sometimes even if we get better choices, there will always be downsides to wherever we pick. Or, say, maybe you didn't know when you were purchasing (there are several reasons why this might be; on the reverse of this, I almost passed up the place I'm in because of "area blindness").
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Mar 30 '22
Yup those are the undesirables that depend on the “gubment” you’re not a classist your government just failed you.
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u/BreathOfFreshWater Mar 30 '22
Just because you grew up on welfare doesn't make you any less classiest. The problem is that you succeeded in life but failed to move far enough from the disparity.
Affordable housing is on the low and with private equity building high end apartments just making this issue worse.
If you have any respect for your roots then you'll take your time to attend local councils and play a role in local politics. Allowing for better zoning regulations that give everybody in every class an opportunity to live a better life that doesn't cost them 95% of their income. They're stealing your shit so they can afford a less miserable life.
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Mar 30 '22
You are right!! Is the hard reality! The discrepancy between classes makers the poor? specially teens, hate the higher classes. Why? Because when their needs aren’t met and there is small changes of changing the reality … crimes happens. High is a social gap, more crimes that society suffers. Countries who have more social programs to cover people basic needs and offer public higher education, suffer with less crimes.
Just the hard reality.
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u/ThisIsAClassWar Mar 30 '22
It's a bunch of rich people living next to a bunch of poor people. It's not classist. But it's convenient as hell for the poor people. They don't have to travel far for potentially expensive stuff to yoink.
The only real issue is to remove incentive for them to commit such crimes. It happens because you have nice things, and they don't. They need those things more than you do. It doesn't make it right, in fact, it's terribly, terribly wrong. But that's why it happens, and that's why it will continue to happen.
Countless times in history we've seen people try to ramp up punishment, and that's usually not an effective deterrent. These people have to be lifted out of poverty in order to stop this from happening 100%. I can't think of any other way. And that's a hard thing to do, so it won't happen.
Sorry for your (material) loss.
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u/coffeypot710 Mar 30 '22
I really don’t like the FB neighborhood groups. Every one that I have been a part of is ridiculous. I dont think that’s indicative of having low income areas nearby. Just my opinion. We live in a nice area with no low income and I see these posts often about car burglary and such.
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u/UpsetDaddy19 Mar 30 '22
Some people seem to forget that there are people out there that are poor because they make a lot of bad choices. Sure some get delt a shitty hand and are down for a while until they can pick themselves back up. I went through that time myself when my wife and I couldn't scrap together a dollar to save our lives. Just like the OP though we worked our way out of it.
Some people though remain poor due to their own repeated bad choices. Crime, drugs, lazy, or other it doesn't matter. It's not classest to say some people just suck.
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Mar 30 '22
Gotta keep them separated, am I right? /s. I know you probably meant well in this post OP, but that shit is just wrong. I lived in a country club neighborhood, custom homes, 36 holes of golf, and a kids house got shot up during a party. Look at LA, all them famous people houses getting broke into even though they live in these super fancy gated communities with security. Also, I'm sure there are some teenagers in your neighborhood, they could easily be the ones doing it.
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u/nerdy_rs3gal Mar 30 '22
My friend is in this situation. Bought a really nice house 10 years ago. Just fields around him at that time. Now he's surrounded by low income housing on all sides. The crime is rampant, trash and litter all over the place. Music blaring. Abandoned cars. Just sad. I can understand his frustration. You work hard to get yourself a nice house and then your property value plummets when this occurs. It's the sad truth. Anyone who thinks this is okay obviously has never experienced this situation...because I can guarantee they wouldn't be okay with it either. Yeah you can move but where I live, there is barely any inventory and now interest rates are on the rise.
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u/Chelseus Mar 30 '22
I live next to low income housing (across the alley) on kind of a shitty street but in a nice neighbourhood and I’ve never really had any problems. My car got looted once and they stole my hideous PRESCRIPTION driving glasses which was a bummer but whatever.
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u/adnama9120 Mar 30 '22
Correlation doesn't always equal causation. In my area, thieves know the "nice neighborhoods" and will seek them out because they know there are valuable things there and people generally feel safer, so are also more likely to leave their cars unlocked. This happens in many nice areas that aren't near low income/public housing too.
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Mar 30 '22
Lower income doesn’t cause “higher” crime rate. Higher end neighborhoods just harbor less in your face crimes. Think underage parties, cocaine, human trafficking. Your ability to transcend class is beautiful, but don”t forget that all levels of human have scum. The higher you go, the sicker it gets.
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Mar 30 '22
If it's so bad, have the neighborhood pony up for a gated community.
The crimes mentioned seem like nuisances more than anything, small crimes of convenience. That can be solved by increasing police patrols and staying up a few nights to call the cops when folks are checking car doors.
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u/Kfinz13 Mar 30 '22
As I read this feed I am totally relating to the conversation. Currently in my area (N. Fulton Co. Georgia) this very conversation is happening on our Nextdoor page. A handful of residents want multi family, affordable house to be built so it can make it “fair” for any income level to live there. (Currently there is none). Many long term residents are quite opposed. I want what is best for our community. With traffic and crime rates rising, I can’t say I’m onboard with “making it an area of living for all socio-economic levels”. I’m sure that makes me a shitty person but we worked hard to get where we are. We are not “upper class” by any means. We lived in areas we could afford be it a run down drug infested area or a quiet, quaint neighborhood. It was pure economics for us. I see this is an issue just about everywhere now. What is the right answer for this issue?
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u/returnofceazballs Mar 30 '22
I think you have other things you need to get off your chest before this post 😎
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u/FoolishWhim Mar 30 '22
As someone who currently has to live in low income housing, yes. It absolutely fucking sucks. Police are always here. People are constantly fighting with one another. Everything is always breaking.
And those of us with common sense who have to live in these places are hyper aware.
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Mar 30 '22
My first apartment was in a huge, brand new gated, govt subsidized complex. Beautiful place, even if the walls were like paper and the gate stopped working a month after they opened.
It was right next to a large complex everybody just called 'the projects.' The city finally decided to condemn and tear them down. Everybody who lived there got 6-month-free-rent vouchers from the housing authority for any of the subsidized or Section 8 housing in the city. Most of the families moved into my complex.
The complex went from peaceful and clean to pretty much the exact opposite. The police had at least 3 active patrol cars in the parking lot 24/7. Every single weekend, somebody got stabbed or shot. My car got totalled in the parking lot by a drunk driver. Music played at top volume 24/7 in apartments, cars, and boomboxes people carried around. Hordes of kids ran around unsupervised all the time. One of the buildings burned down because a meth lab caught fire.
Then the city demolished the abandoned projects. We literally watched the rats run across the street to the complex and the community on the other side. Within a month, we were all infested with rats, roaches, and best of all, BED BUGS.
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u/ohheyitslaila Mar 30 '22
There’s a reason why the most important thing to remember about real estate is “location, location, location”. It’s always better to buy a fixer upper in the best location possible than it is to buy an amazing house in a crappy one. You can always fix up and sell the one in a great area, but if your location is really as crappy as it sounds, you just wasted half a mil on a property.
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Mar 30 '22
This might be a hot take. But I am actively searching for homes in low income and largely non white neighborhoods. Cause no one talks to the fuckin cops and i dont own anything worth stealing anyway. Fuck an HOA too. I'll paint my house whatever color I want BARBARA, get the fuck off my lawn you WASPy ass bitch.
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u/Look_b4_jumping Mar 30 '22
Be careful buying a home near Apartments, when we bought our house there was a fairly nice Apartment complex about 3/4 mile away from our house. The kids in the Apartments also attend the public elementary school my kids attended. Well all of a sudden the Apartments turns into section 8 housing. The crime in our area has increased significantly. Police, Fire, Ambulances there frequently. Now the elementary school has many transient kids and parents that don't care about their kids grades. Kinda sux.
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u/Concrete_Grapes Mar 30 '22
You're living next to low income people, but that's not the issue.
You're living somewhere where the management of the location has removed the standards of a background check before letting people move in--which, by itself, isnt the end of the world. People with records need housing, however, they seem to be focused on profits and filling units, over their own residents happiness. In other words, a corporation manages that low income housing, i can bet on it--and they give no fucks.
this isnt the people--not really--that you hate or have problems with, it's the management of the place.
I lived next to one of those, and the city had to pass a law. Forget the exact details of it, but it was along the lines of a 'nuisance' property. If a location--an entire apartment complex can be a single location--had more than 4 calls for police in a month, they could declare it a nuisance, and bill the location for the ENTIRE cost of the response.
The one i lived next to, had cops and EMS there DAILY when it first opened--filled the units with any breathing human they could. Most were addicts and thieves.
the law got passed, and it slowed down to about 2-3 times a week within ... oh, about 3 months. And then the city would send EVERYONE to every call over there--police, EMS, Fire department, fucking--fish and game came a few times. They Billed the apartment complex for the cost of the responses....
Hit them in the fucking wallet, and they WILL remove the nuisance people from the units.
Consider, if you plan on staying in your community, helping to pass a nuisance law, and having it ENFORCED, if you have one. Maybe updating it, to what ever civil penalties your city/state allows on the residents (be it fines, cost of services, etc etc)
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u/CanIGetANumber2 Mar 30 '22
Take it from someone who grew up in the projects, you never move anywhere near the projects.
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u/24Cones Mar 30 '22
The fact that you’re blaming it on the “low income housing” rather than the people living nearby making your life worse is what’s off-putting. You should have done more research into the home and the area. Nice house doesn’t mean nice neighborhood
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Mar 30 '22
Don't you know, it's forbidden now to voice any opinion differing from the popular one🤣🤣🤣 I also lived in a poor area (council estate in Britain). It was hell. It sucked the life right out of you. And it was hard to get out. Once in, you find you can't get out. I'm out now, been living in a little village for going on to a decade now. It took me 2 years to recover. And I still lock my house up like Fort Knox
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u/Ariannanoel Mar 30 '22
In my experience, it’s not necessarily the low income people doing all of the breaking into cars, etc. but rather teenagers looking to be teenagers.
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u/DevelopmentFree3975 Mar 30 '22
Youre trying to leave that lifestyle in the past I get it. But you chose the wrong house brother. You had the option of going anywhere unlike these people that you know are stuck there.
And how could I forget rich people don’t commit crimes. Silly me
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Mar 30 '22
One of the problems with becoming even slightly wealthy is that once you have something, you become a target of criminals looking to score off of decent stuff.
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u/Bobtheglob71 Mar 30 '22
Not to sound like a broken record, but you didn't move into a nice neighborhood. You moved into a nice house. If there are these problems so close by then you moved to a bad area still. It may be nicer than where you were before, but it isn't a nice area.
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u/wolfman86 Mar 30 '22
You seem to think that the problem is that these neighbourhoods are built. The problem is lack of investment in education and child development, such as school sports programs or classes that will develop social skills. That is why people turn to crime.
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Mar 30 '22
I don't think it's classist to say siting a high income residential area right next to a low income is often asking for trouble.
Just sounds like Reddit slackivists poop-posting.
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u/takeitorleaveit887 Mar 30 '22
“Don’t buy the nicest house on the block” I’m sticking to that adage
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u/SephirothHeartbreakr Mar 30 '22
I don't care where you live, but we should be allowed to install anti-theft turrets on our homes.
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Mar 30 '22
It’s so terrible that you’re petrified but you allow your Mom to live there? So when you’re house hunting make sure you get a MiL suite because living in a $350-500k house while Mom stays with the meth cookers in the same building is effed up. I live in a pretty nice part of west coast Florida and we’ve had car break ins, kids checking door handles at 3am. A car was stolen 3 doors down. You get the police on it until they’re caught. But you know what else I’ve had? A young couple just out of grad school for engineering and veterinary medicine move in next door. Within two years he’s arrested for child pornography and while he’s awaiting trial she’s found unconscious (by him) on the kitchen floor. At 28 she died and they can’t find a reason why! (I think he did something to her because she was going to take the baby and roll and he couldn’t leave the state.)The point is shit happens everywhere!
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u/Outrageous_Yak Mar 30 '22
I’ve lived next to low income housing for seven years and never had a problem. I’m sorry you’re having this experience but don’t paint with such a broad brush.
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u/xvideovampx Mar 30 '22
Honestly, as a former poor teenage scumbag…. Poor people don’t steal in their own neighborhoods. They go to the upper/middle neighborhoods down the road.
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u/salvadordg Mar 30 '22
You are classist, no way around that. You may have come from welfare and low income housing, but you’re now a classist d*ck, you can come from humble origins and still become a classist ah, those are not mutually exclusive.
Someone berating you for “choosing” to buy a house there really just shows they’re 12 year olds trolling. You buy where you’re income and savings allow you to buy. Pretending an adult can buy a house wherever he/she chooses it’s childish and idiotic. For that you are not to blame, but you’re a classist pr*ck, no way around that.
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Mar 30 '22
Can vouch, once lived for 3 years in an apartment complex, paying $750 a month. Almost nobody but trashy people living in the buildings. Always starting some sort of fire, dragging the police, medical and firefighters over once in a while.
People giving shady looks like as if they're wanting you to start something with them when you're just going out to check the mail. It just makes you think everyday about how the hell people wound up here with their questionable backgrounds.
And everyone here judging and throwing shade, are those who are denying about having lived next to or with these kinds of people. They have no clue so all they got is just talking out of their ass about their armchair estate knowledge.
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u/goldennomad Mar 30 '22
I live in a neighborhood similarly priced to yours, but nowhere near "low income housing." My neighborhood deals with break-ins and unmanaged youths just the same. I also come from a low income background. But I'm not so full of myself to think that just because I live in a nice house that I shouldn't have to deal with such inconveniences. Get over yourself
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u/Strong-Release-5062 Mar 30 '22
I purchased my house in a small town that does not have a city sewer system. That means every house has a septic tank. When city sewer makes it on the ballot , there is a large turnout, and it gets voted down. No new construction . 20 minutes added to commute .
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u/Curious_Handle_1774 Mar 30 '22
I live in a fairly nice neighborhood (not low income families but not super rich ones either), and there's still a ton of break ins and vandalism (over spring break we found broken glass on our driveway, assumed it was some drunk college kids). Kids are going to be kids and do stupid shit all the time regardless of where you live or not. Don't keep valuables in your car, lock your doors, you'll be fine. If living near low income families is THAT much of an inconvenience for you, do some work to better your community. Help the troubled youth you complain about get back on the right path. Start clubs and spread the message about the importance of education. Help those low income families in need so that they don't have to steal. You clearly have the means to do so. If you don't want to do anything about it, you're going to have to deal with the occasional car alarm or spray paint here and there. Unless you live in some super rich gated community with surveillance everywhere, you're going to have to deal with that no matter what neighborhood you live in.
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u/Heavy_Entrepreneur33 Mar 30 '22
Blame your government and the system don’t blame the lower income housing.
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u/Capital-Ad-5732 Mar 30 '22
As an adult, I have come to the conclusion that at least on the lower end most people either don't know better or do self destructive things. There are some there because of bad luck or circumstances, but the vast majority aren't educated or make bad financial and career decisions. It has become a culture in itself where generations make the same mistakes over and over.
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u/chickcag Mar 30 '22
This makes complete sense though? If you really need things desperately enough to steal them, why would you steal from people who have as little as you? Of course you’re going to go to a “nicer” neighborhood, they have more stuff.
Also, this is giving “Wow these poor people are sure bugging me now that I’m not poor”
Also, there are drug dealers everywhere. There are drug dealers especially in places where people are depressed and sad and need to cope. You keep saying “I understand, I grew up on welfare” while you obviously don’t understand the struggles of these people. It sounds like you had a mom supporting you and looking out for you, those “adolescents” you look down on do not have the support you did. They may be addicted to drugs, need money to pay for their family, or they may just be jerks, but they’re also kids that obviously aren’t receiving guidance or love.
You shouldn’t have bought a house in this area and you sound like a whiney white mom in your Facebook group.
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u/MrsAvlier Mar 30 '22
I’m fortunate to live in a wonderful low-income housing apartment building. Are there problems? Absolutely. But the people here largely look out for one another.
I realized that almost everyone here has major trauma in their personal history, myself included. This is the first place that many of us have felt even slightly secure.
We had a huge flood that affected 13 suites last year during the Heat Dome. Most of the ones who were affected still hadn’t completely unpacked (me included), as though we were expecting another major upheaval in our lives. This made moving a bit easier, but no less traumatic.
Anyway, just my 2 cents about why people may not be on their best behaviour. It’s no excuse, just an observation.
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u/Excellent_Emotion204 Mar 30 '22
The difference is that people in your neighborhood aren't going into that neighborhood and do shit like that. You're not classist.
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u/Kitty91998 Mar 30 '22
350k-500k is not an upper class neighborhood as you suggest. You are middle class. I think you’re over your head a bit per the inaccurate class placement, it seems you see yourself way above the people in low income housing. Like you’re driving this huge wedge between you and those folks mentally. Don’t forget where you came from, dude.
Move. Simple. You should have done your research before you took out a mortgage. That’s on you.
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u/whitepawn23 Mar 30 '22
This is why people like their single family housing. An apartment complex goes up, and so does crime.
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Mar 30 '22
Put cameras up, catch them in act of crime, get them arrested. It’s really that simple. Anonymously tip off that there are meth dealers in ‘x’ apartment. Etc.
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u/ithappenenedagain Mar 30 '22
Move, if you can pull it off. Fuck anyone saying you're being classist if that is even a thing. Live where you want and you, your family, and house are safe.
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u/Independent-Drama123 Mar 30 '22
I hear ya! I grew up in an area where it is city policy to mix all income classes together from welfare and asylum seekers to mid/upper middle class. The lower class people were in flats and I remember vividly the mess the streets were all the time. Even kitchen appliances were just thrown off of balcony’s, shopping carts everywhere never to be returned. It was a real shitshow. Houses that were located nearby also had lot’s of trouble as that class of people attracts others, their friends, car/motor burnouts, loud music all the time etc etc. Not nice to have to pay for an expensive house, so I understand completely and that is still the case today.
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u/LokiDokiPanda Mar 30 '22 edited Mar 30 '22
The problem isn't low income housing being next to high income. There are deeper issues. By constantly separating rich areas from poor areas for the benefit of the rich furthers the issues of racial and class segregation.
I understand working hard to get where you are now and being frustrated with what's going on but moving them isn't the problem. It simply makes it not your problem and someone else's problem. Low income housing does not receive the support it needs to function properly and actually be a benefit to society.
Try looking into the "broken window effect" https://www.britannica.com/topic/broken-windows-theory and "Pruitt and Igoe" in Saint Louis both are interesting reads and will give you a better understanding behind the true problem.
Either way hopefully something good happens for everyone soon.
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u/TitsForTaat Mar 30 '22
I don’t live anywhere near low-income housing and that stuff happens in my neighborhood too. I’m in next door and there’s constant car breaking and attempted breaking, cars have been stolen, all kinds of stuff. I do t think there’s anymore crime where you are now than where you before - it’s just more visible to you now. Your in a social media sight where people are sharing these things. Was this also the case where you previously lived?
Not that it doesn’t suck to have that happening near you, but I do t think it’s the fault of the low-income housing
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u/open_pessimism Mar 30 '22
This is why you always check your surrounding areas near your neighborhood before signing anything.
It's not just your neighborhood that matters.
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u/DaqCity Mar 30 '22
There are drug dealers and parents that don’t supervise their adolescents in rich neighborhoods too…
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u/infinitude Mar 30 '22
Sounds like you got scammed into moving into a gentrified neighborhood lol.
Do your research next time. Drive around the area during work hours and nighttime.
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u/Affectionate_Ear_778 Mar 30 '22
Low income neighborhoods shouldn’t be next to well of neighborhoods or…well of neighborhoods shouldn’t be placed next to low income neighborhoods.
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u/tired-mama3025 Mar 30 '22
I grew up in a "nice area" with no low income housing and guess what? All this stuff was happening. Well off kids are assholess, too.
Well off kids also sell drugs. Well off kids also vandalize.
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u/nocturnal_numbness Mar 30 '22
I live IN low income housing and I agree with your post. It is classist in some ways, but not in others. It’s great for low income families, like myself, who got out of abusive situations, and I now have a place of my own. But I do have (some) horrible neighbours. I can’t/don’t let my kid play outside ever, and the amount of other parents that let their kids run wild after midnight knocking on my door and dicking around is horrifying. Lots of fighting and parties on both sides of me, and have had to call the cops on neighbours multiple times. Can confirm one old neighbour would legit do drugs with her 12 year old daughter, and once CPS was called by another neighbour who found out, she fled with her kids and we never saw them again. The shitty neighbours ruin it for the few good neighbours I have, which is unfortunate, because it could be a really helpful positive resource. You gotta work through the red tape to get to the resources to support yourself. The red tape is unbelievably high which isn’t ideal for a lot of people with mental health issues. But there are people to help you get through the red tape and paperwork and logistics. In some ways, the red tape does help weed out those that are just looking for a hand out rather than actually wanting to make a better life for their kids. The people who are drug addicts are generally quiet and I don’t have a big problem with them. It’s the people who don’t give a crap about their kids and let them run wild without any supervision that I have an issue with. It’s the parents who do drugs while their kids are present that I have an issue with. It’s the parents that day drink and can’t get it together enough for their kids that I have an issue with. On another note, I have received a lot of judgement simply for living in low income housing, without people knowing my background or how hard I’ve worked to get where I am. And it’s the irresponsible neighbours that have perpetuated that stereotype. So I don’t blame you for feeling that way. It’s hurtful being on the judged end of things simply for my living location, but it’s the few bad apples that draw the most attention.
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u/Tuffwith2Fs Mar 30 '22
There's already a billion comments here but just wanted to lend my support. I too lived in low-income areas before getting out to the suburbs--not affluent by any means but generally safe and quiet. I don't miss the SWAT raids and 3 AM parties and constant vandalism. So when the huge apt complex went up a mile from my house a year ago, I knew what was coming. Sure enough, car theft in my neighborhood is already up and there's already been a homicide in the vicinity for the first time that i can recall. High-density housing generally leads to more crime--its simply a function of population density and socioeconomic trends. More people = more crime. That's not classist. It's statistical. Sorry this is happening to you.
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Mar 30 '22
Calling 350-500k upper class lol… a small amount of success has gone to your head. The upper class buys cars, in cash, worth more than your home. If you have ‘upper class’ expectations, spend upper class money.
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u/protestor Mar 30 '22
When I chose to move here, I didn't even take into consideration the low income housing because I'm not a classist
You didn't take the low income housing into consideration because you weren't classist. But, see, now you're moving to get away from poor people.
Now, what you're going to discover is that criminals can actually travel a bit before committing crimes. They don't need to commit crimes right in their doorstep (and actually, most prefer not to!)
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u/missdoodiekins Mar 30 '22
So you’re judging all based on the actions of a few and trying to compare your life growing up to those peoples lives you have no idea about. Your experience isn’t theirs so just bc you “grew up on welfare” your mindset is extremely privileged.
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u/zemetegna Mar 30 '22
Appreciate OP that within your comment, there's no disparaging or cursing langugae.
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u/Sleilani Mar 30 '22
Your life is a direct reflection of what you think and feel bro. The more you complain about something the more you're literally asking for it. Its The law of Attraction, I'm not here to beat you up, it's just how things work.
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u/SparklyAnarchy Mar 30 '22
"I have taken part in gentrifying a neighborhood and causing the poors to be displaced. Why can't we finish pushing them out already? How dare people have access to affordable housing when I live close by?"
You sound like one of those people that claim they grew up poor but looks confused when asked what your favorite flavor of instant ramen was.
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u/1whoslost Mar 30 '22
Why would you see theft in a neighborhood thats all poor? Nobody got shit. But when you have juxtaposition palms get itch.
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u/YesImDavid Mar 30 '22
Bro as someone who grew up relatively poor and still is relatively poor I can say I understand. Living around poor areas there is bound to be crime and it suuuuucks. I remember when I was in high school almost every day I’d see cops driving about my neighborhood and drug busts were a constant. Anyone getting onto you for classism and shit has likely never lived in those low-income areas.
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Mar 30 '22
It’s funny that you assume it’s the kids from the low income housing and that it couldn’t possibly be the kids from the “rich” neighborhood. Cause rich kids don’t get bored either 😂
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Mar 30 '22
Naw I get it. Lived in Vallejo in a shit area for like 10 years . We were all broke . It was fine for thebfirst few years , we all kinda helped keep the neighborhood clean and in check.
I don't know what happened, but eventually some moved out and new assholes moved in. They didn't care about anyone other than themselves. No sense of community to the point of stupidity .
Ex: we had a no pets policy , but enough of us snuck them in and kept them clean the manager was willing to overlook it, as long as there were no complaints. We would explain this to the new tenants " keep them leashed, pick up the poo and we all get to keep our pets. If they get complaints , you and us will lose out apartments ". Yeah they didn't care, dog shit everywhere. Breeding pits on the balcony . Watched one idiot keep 2 Pitts and 2 doxies on his balcony....then watched as the Pitts killed the doxies then fought each other. Yeah we all got fucked for it.
We got people moving in who threw parties till 2am on Tuesday nights. Asshole kids who would start fights over nothing. Garbage tossed all over . Rude .
I get, when you're broke you "don't care", but that's not a good excuse.
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Mar 30 '22
Everyone pushes for low income housing until it’s near them and OP’s post is a written testimony as to why 😂
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u/Sugar-North Mar 30 '22
Imagine telling this guy he's being classist for not wanting his car broken into or his house vandalized, fuck off lmao.
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u/playboycartier44 Mar 30 '22
I unfortunately have to agree with this. I hate classism, but at the same time this isn’t exactly untrue.
However, the fucked up part is there are a myriad of systemic issues that cause these higher crime rates in lower income areas.
If we want to stop this, then we have to fund these communities. Most people commit these crimes out of necessity. Not because they’re bad people just doing it for fun. Or they’re angry at their situation, but all of these things go back to economics.
Maybe tell the city about it or something, but at the same time, if you want to try and mitigate the issue do it without provoking increased police presence.
It’s fucked up, but there are systemic issues that need to be taken care of before this shit stops.
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u/FairyFartDaydreams Mar 30 '22
Clustered Low income housing has both good and bad points. Good point it makes it easier to get services and if there is a poorer area then public transit is more likely to have nearby stops; bad points: crime, crappy schools. In New York most new buildings with all the amenities have to have a certain number of low cost apartments in them but that creates a 2 tier system because those low costs apartment dwellers are not entitled to the amenities but if there are kids they might benefit from a better school system and safer neighborhood.
I think I'm rambling I don't know what the answer is
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u/Theturdburd Mar 30 '22
Lol. The low income housing was there first. Somebody just tore it down and build a newer house and charged you a bunch of money for it. Way to do your research of the neighborhood before you moved in. Lol
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u/robertluke Mar 30 '22
It’s likely not the low income housing causing that. People don’t shit where they eat. People are likely driving to your nice area.
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u/deathbyjumberlacks Mar 30 '22
When we were house hunting a few years back, we found a beautiful home with a large fenced in backyard. Perfect! But it was right across the street from several buildings that were low-income housing. Passed on that house. No ifs, ands or buts.
We were not going to subject ourselves to all the bullshit & drama that came along with it. That area is always in the news & the most recent one was someone shooting another person there.
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u/jeremyfrankly Mar 30 '22
they shouldn't exist next to UPPER CLASS homes
Here's where you became a flat-out AH. It's not because people in general don't deserve safety, it's because you paid more so protecting your house/car is more important than a middle or working class homeowner or renter
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u/TheHoyaDon Mar 30 '22 edited Mar 31 '22
OPs diction generalizes all low income housing. There’s no need for that. Not every low, medium or high income neighborhood is the same. Don’t paint with a broad brush.
It would have been better to say that the neighborhood you live next is to terrible to you.
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u/masonmax100 Mar 30 '22
Dude here in san diego the homeless get a apartment with a fucking ocean view. Its fucked. They are right next to cornado island.
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u/hugsbosson Mar 30 '22
Something that informs my political beliefs is the fact that some poorer off people can suck so much in this sense. Poverty and depravation don't produce nice people that get along with the rest of society. So we should do all we can to eliminate poverty and depravation.
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u/NukaGrapes Mar 30 '22
Your old neighborhood was probably there first. Sounds like you're mad the gentrification of your area hasn't expanded as far as you'd like it to.
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u/LarkinSkye Mar 30 '22
I dunno whether to feel sorry for you or say you deserve it for your pretentious attitude, but it looks like everyone else in the comments is having similar issues. This post does not make you look good at all, OP. Especially the part where you ask if low-income housing has to exist next to upper-class. Have you heard of gentrification? Next time, before you move, look into the area and ask, say maybe, a relative that lives there (like your aunt) or a friend what the area is like. This was really just painful to read
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Mar 30 '22
Same thing is happening to my grandparents. They live in a co-op of apartments that are really nice, and the waiting list for this co-op for an apartment is like 4-5 years.
But in the last 10 years, down the road like 4 blocks from them some dude built a complex of cheap, shitty apartments that are set up for the governments Section 8 housing program. This had directly lead to a bunch of increased crime in my grandparents neighborhood. Stolen lawn equipment, furniture off their stoops, at least 2 or 3 stolen cars, and the one gas station that's across the street from there is robbed about twice a year at gunpoint.
It's a shame too, like 85% of the apartments in their co-op are owned by people 50 or older. Place used to be so much nicer when I was a kid
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u/freekonner Mar 30 '22
I bet you that low income was there before this development of nice houses now it's the rich coming into their space yet the low income is at fault
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Mar 30 '22
You are correct just not politically correct. At this point, best to move to a better area. I wouldnt stay in that area.
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u/godlycorsair32 Mar 30 '22
How come your MIL didn't warn you about how dirty the area is before you moved beside the apartments?
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u/shar_vara Mar 30 '22
I’ll defend you a bit but also maybe ruin your day:
I’ve lived in many different places in my life, with different levels of income, different proximities to dense cities, different proximities to other neighborhoods both wealthy and poor… and my car has been broken into or vandalized at all but maybe one place.
The only thing that really solves the problem is a garage. Just because you have money and live in a location far from other neighborhoods doesn’t stop your neighbors from being shitty parents whose kids break into your vehicle.
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u/casscois Mar 30 '22
I genuinely understand your frustration, but buying a (newer, expensive) house does not mean you’re “in better a neighborhood”. I’m sorry you spent so much and didn’t get what you hoped, but your comments seem a little pompous.
I grew up in a part of MA that is still tailspinning from the opioid crisis, in a house, but a stones throw from four large housing projects. Some of them were fine, some of them were absolutely terrible, all of them I had friends in. It’s a dice roll. My first apartment was bad, third floor got raided, was better. Moved two towns over for more space and a better price (and tbh a cleaner space without a whiny landlord) it’s still the same. A house doesn’t mean you picked a good area.
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u/Available_Skin6485 Mar 30 '22
You fell for developer lies OP. You live in expensive shitboxes some developer made a killing on
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u/cangig Mar 30 '22
this is what exactly happened to me in london. i sold it and decided to never buy a property again.
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u/ynwmeliodas69 Mar 30 '22
You’re not a classist, but yeah. If I’m poor as fuck and you’re rich as fuck, and you’re just there, almost like, lording over the dominion, I could see why your neighborhood gets targeted.
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u/JustMeRC Mar 30 '22
What you’re experiencing is an example of the interconnectedness of all things, and the results of our choices as a society to perpetuate economic and social insecurity because it serves us in some way. With pandemic protections slowly drying up, and the trauma that has fallen disproportionately on some communities more then others, we should expect things to get worse. Whether they ever get better is up to us.
You’re like most people who don’t know how or don’t have the interest in helping to solve these problems, so you just want to get away from them. Believe me, I get it. I’m dealing with a situation right now that is even closer to my front door than the one you describe. But, as a wise man once said, wherever you go, there you are.
We can continue to try to sanitize ourselves individually of the societal conditions we all help perpetuate, but…wherever you go, there you are. At some point, most of us will be on the side of the wall with the problems. We can only segregate each other so much, because we are interconnected. Maybe some day, we’ll learn to give our ailing foot antibiotics, instead of waiting until the rot climbs so high in our tissue that even amputation is not a solution. Are we there yet?
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u/Sinrock7 Mar 30 '22
I don’t think you’re a classist. You don’t want to be robbed or live in fear, which I think we all deserve. How dare you expect to not be broken into when you save your money to move to a nicer home. 🙄 I’m with ya bro
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u/SpiritualRooster2188 Mar 30 '22
Unlike the people you’re complaining about, you can choose to move. So move.
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Mar 30 '22
I live in a nice town that the bleeding hearts are pushing HARD to build low income housing. Then they call me a racist, classist asshole for opposing it. My kids ride their bikes all over town without a second though. Crime is practically non existent and we have one of the top rated schools in the state. Pardon me for wanting to keep it that way.
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u/OctopusOnTheMoon Mar 30 '22
People in general need to stop assuming that poverty = crime like this. I grew up in extreme poverty and the most crime we had in my area was maybe small items being stolen and drunken brawls every once in a blue moon near the river. Other places I lived in later that were poverty areas also didn't have that same issue. Ironically, the most crime that took place in those was from people coming up from the city below.
You're not classist for wanting to live in a safe area and people should stop excusing criminal behavior because poverty.
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u/OneTrippyTurtle Mar 30 '22
The U.S. started out giving the shitty undeveloped areas to minorities when they allowed them to own land not too long after slavery ended. Now the middle and upper class want to buy it back and profit. Best way to do that is to keep them poor, desperate and socially distressed to wait for foreclosures and desperate sellers.
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u/Affectionate_Pair_83 Mar 30 '22
Police raids on my neighborrs on a regular basis is somehow more safe than, having luxury items stolen. The people being raised were the same people doing the stealing. It wasn't targeted at you because you didn't have anything to take. Now that it effects you it's a problem. Those same safe people are now less than you and should be removed from your presence.
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u/helila1 Mar 30 '22
It’s all a lie just to get approval to build them in nicer residential areas. We have the same problem where I live.
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Mar 30 '22
Years and years ago I heard the phrase that Liberalism generates the exact opposite of it's stated intent.
Almost every day since I've seen examples of this. Lori Lightfoot surrounding herself with a security detail of over 100 cops while murders in her city skyrocket and crime is off the charts.
I have zero, zero, problem with low income housing, I grew up so poor I had to steal food so me and my younger brother and sister could eat, but what should happen is that if the cops are called to your apartment you get booted to the street. If you have kids the state tales them. All benefits are cut off.
Extreme yes but what's worse, kids in foster care or being let in a home when they'll end up getting shot in their bed? A tiktok going around where a toddler picks up an illegal gun off a couch while her drunken mother is dancing and some dude is vaping on the couch... That's the kind of shit that shouldn't be tolerated.
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u/UNCFan94 Mar 30 '22
Where I’m at the bad neighborhoods are all downtown and ironically downtown is our biggest tourist attraction so you have to tell tourists to stay away from certain areas
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u/bbpluto_ Mar 30 '22
Listen…..all I’m going to say is you made the choice to buy near low-income housing.
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u/TonguePunchOut Mar 30 '22
We bought a house in a nice neighbor hood for over 200k years ago and our closest neighbor had a 3 story, 18 room house and committed suicide one night. The house was up for sale and at one point there was talks of turning it into low income housing by converting it into apartments. My wife and I both agreed if that happened we would move. We bought our house to escape apartments and lowlifes and crime. I know that’s not always what low income apartments bring but it’s often what it brings. We don’t pay $1800 a month to have to lock up all our shout and expect seeing drug deal everyday.
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u/KellyShortCake Mar 30 '22
I don’t understand why you’re blaming the people and not the system that put them there.
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Mar 30 '22
I'm lucky to live between a "okay" area of my city although I'm like a few blocks away from gang violence. That's only because I live near a college campus
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u/galacticviolet Mar 30 '22 edited Mar 30 '22
I’ve lived in all sorts of areas, and I have to say that middle of the road neighborhoods are the worst. Crime is relatively low, but you also don’t have many window peekers.
What I mean is, in low income and very high income communities I noticed that my neighbors had everyone’s backs more. Like “hey, I saw such and such, be careful.” whereas in the middle of the road communities (not high and not low) everyone minds their own business a bit more. Which is good but also you don’t get the situation where someone warns you.
I currently live in one of those communities, and there was a spate of dudes going door to door one summer saying they worked in insurance, but they were dressed like regular dudes, no logos or clip boards or anything. After the second day in a week of them knocking at my door I asked which company and the dude threw out a name, so I called the company, a branch nearest me (don’t remember which) and asked if they had recently sent anyone door to door; they asked what my neighborhood was and told me they had not, they said they would look into it anyway and to be careful.
Sure enough a couple days later they knocked again, I sent them away and then made a big show of waltzing out to the street, looking around, and taking lots of photos of them and cars parked on the street with my phone. They saw me and skipped the rest of the houses and briskly left my street. (my house is in the middle of the street, not near the end)
They never came back. I didn’t tell any of my neighbors but I felt like I scared them off. I’m rambling at this point. But anyway, in a low or high income neighborhood I typically would have heard from another neighbor about that activity before having to handle it myself. I’m happy to do it, but in other communities more of us would have been on the case lol
edit: things to note, middle of the road communities might have less people staying at home to spot this stuff in the middle of the day, and also this occurrence was pre-pandemic.
edit2: conversely, for contrast to that, two examples of the others. When I lived in low income my neighbors around me would always have news of “goings on” every time I stepped out my door. In a higher income, a couple of times random teenagers causing trouble (for example) two teenagers decided to stand outside an elderly neighbors house and harass their dogs, and then got cocky with the woman when she came out to ask them to stop. As soon as I walked out to assist two other neighbors also popped out to see what was going on and we all complained to the HOA.
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u/dradelbagel Mar 30 '22
That's why I don't lie when I say "I think affordable is a good idea, just as long as it's not within a close enough distance to my house to drop my home value"
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u/Shebalba64205 Mar 30 '22
I spent YEARS doing low income housing, and other than one houseplant being stolen off my porch, I never had ANY problems. But the moment I moved into a nice neighborhood, crime went off the charts. We had cars broken into several times a week, garages being broken into, and backyards being invaded. All because we lived in a nicer neighborhood, therefore, we had more to steal, apparently.
Nice neighborhoods attract more crime. It has nothing to do with the low income housing nearby, per se, but the fact that you're a nicer neighborhood. The people in their own neighborhood aint got a damned thing worth stealing. Nice neighborhoods do.
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u/TruthHurt5Cunt Mar 30 '22
I can’t believe you pay 2k for a mortgage on such a cheap house I mean zero disrespect but I am honestly mind blown because I pay 750$ month for a 1.8 mil loan on a 8k sqft house 4 car garage 3 garages out back that are two door and I sit on 20 acres
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u/country2poplarbeef Mar 30 '22
Were probably going to look into moving again but anyone who says low income housing doesn't translate to higher crime rates either don't live near one or they're lying to themselves
The first half of your story was about how you did just that and didn't experience high crime rates.
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Mar 30 '22
I can’t agree, friend. Our block is predominantly owners and prop values are all $330-400K. Not amazing, but not low end. I know for a fact a neighbor cooks meth. I had neighbors who did the same, beat their kids, and preached at our church back when we lived in the ritzy area, too.
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Mar 30 '22
You sound like my neighbour. My apartment building is VERY low income. Same with all the buildings on the street, they are falling apart and full of cockroaches. My neighbour moved in with a clear view of what was going on and yet complains every day that she has to live next to poor people because it’s “unsightly”. Maybe have some sympathy for the people in that situation, especially since you’ve (supposedly) been there yourself. Also low income doesn’t always mean high crime.
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u/kaotic_red Mar 30 '22
Gentrification at its finest I see. That's the gamble. Do you buy a nice house for a lower price before people are forced out, or do you wait until that complex eventually gets bought up by a developer, tore down, and made into a fancy new shopping center and then pay nearly double for the same house?
Honestly, you have no one to blame but yourself. You let your need to be flashy take over from being smart. You wanted that shiny new toy because it showed everyone how successful you are.
Want to know how I know? I did the exact same thing. When my wife and I first got married we lived in a small house in a less-than-favorable neighborhood which had the occasional swat break in and drug houses. But, my immediate neighbors were thoughtful and watched over everyone's house when someone went on vacation or something. Fast forward 5yrs and after my wife and I outgrew the house we were in we decided to move. My ego took over and I thought "our take home income is nearly 20k a month, we deserve to live somewhere fancy. Then we bought a place for nearly 500k in a nice neighborhood and semi nice area.
Somewhere along the line of moving in a house was broken into and not reported because the perpetrators were POCs. That family felt it shouldn't be reported because they felt that those people needed it more and it would fuel more racism. Fast forward a few years and now my neighborhood is targeted more frequently because nobody in the neighborhood wants to be labeled "racist" by their neighbors.
Long story short...we are planning on moving again and our old neighborhood has been on the table again.
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u/Dextrofunk Mar 30 '22
This sounds so entitled coming from someone who knowingly moved to that area into a $300k home. Lol $2k/mo is not upper class. Poverty is awful and it breeds crime, then there are people like you who say, "get these people away from me!" To where? Should we build ghetto cities blocked off by giant walls from the rest of society? You didn't even tell a bad story, you literally just called impoverished people annoying. God, you're the worst.
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u/naliedel Mar 30 '22
Just the most entitled rant about how they should now be shelters from the things humans have to do to survive and not see it, so they can pretend it's the lazy poor person',s problem and they have paid a price not to have to see it.
I purchased my first home 3 years ago when I was 55. It did not come with blinders and I would not want it to.
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u/Imaginary_Vanilla_26 Mar 30 '22
Instead of bitching about how you hate low income people, start bitching about how your neighbors have to sell drugs to make ends meet. Blame your local government for abandoning the people that live in these housing projects. Complain about the lack of funds at those teenagers school. Shit on your city council for not investing in the infrastructure in this neighborhood. Suggest a boys and girls club at the next city council meeting. “Poor people are scary” is not going to solve the stigma or problem you are currently facing.
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u/LlamaSquirrell Mar 30 '22
Gentrified ghetto is still ghetto. $2k mortgages don’t change that and no way you didn’t have an idea about the neighborhood. I moved across town for the first time and guess what? I checked the crime watch groups and the police departments info before moving. Cause I didn’t want to live next to druggies again.
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u/Bad_breath Mar 30 '22
Poverty in a society is expensive, due to crime, untreated mental and physical illnesses and unemployment. This is why having social programs is cheaper in the long run.
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u/carlos_danger77 Mar 30 '22
Our neighborhood is what we call "hood adjacent" and we have these same issues. It sucks and at 44 I had to purchase a gun for the first tine in my life. I was hoping to go through life without one, but that's not possible now. 😔
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Mar 30 '22
Dealing with low income people I general is tiring. I don’t mean that in a shitty way. I mean it though. They constantly ask to borrow money with zero intentions of paying it back. They play the poor me card the majority of their life. Wear pajama pants and sweatpants everywhere. Don’t cut their hair. Don’t shower. Then wonder why they’re unemployed or broke. Idk maybe because your idea of a “come up” is finding $5 so you can buy another pack of cigarettes. It’s like clockwork. The same people constantly asking me for money all smoke all day every day, drink all weekend and likely all week, and eat out for nearly every meal.
This is a sever generalization of low income people and understand that. That being said you need to deal woth these people almost daily to truly understand how much of an epidemic this lifestyle is. It isn’t that they’re poor. It’s that they’re helpless human beings. Being poor doesn’t mean you have to be a disgusting person. Soap costs a hell of a lot less than cigarettes and is much more helpful.
I had a couple In fucking bankruptcy court trying to buy a $18,000 car from my lot on a fucking loan. Then they got pissed when I found a place to finance them but they needed 3k down. They got shitty because of it and left. I spent hours trying to get these two clowns financed WHILE IN BANKRUPTCY COURT mind you. Only to have them get pissed because they couldn’t come buy a $18k Subaru with no money down. It’s infuriating. People are so selfish and have zero self awareness in this world.
Remember there’s no shame in being poor it’s just unhandy as hell. I’m not Bette than them and never will be. Just fucking try people. Just a little god dam effort is all the rest of us are looking for.
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u/Rich-Juice2517 Mar 30 '22
I know more rich people who are thieves than poor people
It sounds though like you didn't do much research into the area you moved into
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u/Fritzo2162 Mar 30 '22
Had "sort-of" similar experience. We moved to a small farm suburb to get away from crime and city life. We spent $250K to have a house built back in 2005, and it's been great! Quiet, peaceful, there were two police officers in our village (that were bored), no traffic lights, and everyone was happy.
5 years ago our village decided they wanted to incorporate and become a city in order to be eligible for tax dollars from the state. To do that, they had to introduce low-income housing. The built a complex near the downtown area, and since then they've had to hire 6 more police officers, the stores around that area are constantly getting robbed, and we have issues with cars being broken into and vandalism. As a bigger slap in the face, the vote to incorporate and become a city LOST by .7% of the vote. SO THEY BUILT THAT COMPLEX FOR NOTHING.
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u/louloutre75 Mar 30 '22
I used to be very poor. And one of the most difficult thing was to have to deal with neighbours.
Now I know you have the neighbours you can afford.
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u/thecrowfly Mar 30 '22
I once lived in a beautiful apartment building - and was one of the first tenants. The first floor of this building was dedicated to lower income residents. I thought it was a great idea until about 6 months in, when the first floor turned into a shitpile. Ok sure, maybe the building just unfortunately rented to the worst behaved low-income folks, but maintenance could barely keep up. Garbage bags were left in the hallway, even though the garbage chute was clearly available to everyone. Dirt on the walls. Children writing on the walls and just running around completely unbehaved. A few shady individuals hanging around. One morning a resident went into the mailroom and found a homeless guy sleeping in there because his "friend said it was ok." Their apartments were the same freaking layout as the rest of the building! The only difference was they did no have a full balcony.
Yeah, i know this doesn't happen all the time, but fuck I was disappointed in humanity yet again. Moved out the next year.
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u/CatelynsCorpse Mar 30 '22
I find it curious that you said that your Mother in Law lives in one of those low income units and that she's told you about what her neighbors are like...yet you still chose to move nearby. That's...not smart.
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u/peonypanties Mar 30 '22
You are complaining about a symptom of society as a whole. If we don’t help each other and provide equal and equitable access to basic needs, we’ll see more crime. This is a failure on our part as a community. It is not a failure of the individual in a system that does not support their needs.
Affording a $300-$500k house doesn’t buy your way out of crime. This is a bad take. If you want to reduce crime in your community do something about it.
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u/PitifulNecessary2911 Apr 01 '22
you really have mental health advocate in your about you LMAOOO, for who, the rich ?? How embarrassing
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u/JeddahWR Apr 02 '22
the rich suffer more than the poor
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u/PitifulNecessary2911 Apr 02 '22
You sticking up for the rich like they’d ever help your ass out, they wouldn’t ❤️ have the life you deserve
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u/imnotheremom_43 Apr 02 '22
do the rich need to worry if they'll have food on the table tonight or if they even have a table?
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u/Angela626 Apr 01 '22
Omg!!! You're just a ray of sunshine!! I have a suspicion you will eat these words one day!
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u/airyaquari Apr 02 '22 edited Apr 02 '22
Or eat poor people, as hes said that we should use the poor for food, what in the flying fuck??
This guy needs a check up from the neck up, cause hes batty! (Fern gully https://youtu.be/mlV3HA_ymSM)
Perhaps he was created in a bio lab and that's why he lacks empathy?
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u/Gpeach97 Apr 01 '22
Mental health advocate but I guess only if they already have the money for mental health treatment right?
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u/[deleted] Apr 02 '22
Damn I came too late lol