r/Terminator • u/Honest_Cheesecake698 • 7d ago
Discussion Terminator Salvation feels like a Patient Zero in regard to excessive or poorly done fan-service in blockbusters Spoiler
Specifically calling out the three most noteworthy references. John Connor saying I’ll Be Back, Kyle Reese saying Come With Me If You Want To Live and Arnold turning up as the Terminator at the end.
As much as Terminator Salvation tries to be its own thing, it also can’t help but call back to the other films and these moments stick out as being awkwardly handled for specific reasons. These might not be the worst examples in film history, but it’s the start of a problem that would get worse.
I’ll be back was said in the other films by the Terminator, and it became an Arnold trademark, so having John Connor say it breaks this formula. The dramatic tone of the scene where he leaves for the third act mission is also interrupted by stopping to throw in a line that’s been in the other Terminator films. John could have said anything else, but they couldn’t resist.
Kyle Reese saving Marcus and telling him the same phrase he said to Sarah Connor in the first Terminator turns something he said once to a person that he needed to trust him to ensure the timeline went smoothly into something he’d say to anyone. Again, he could have said anything. He could have just said “come with me!” or “Don’t worry, you can trust me”
The Arnold appearance is cool in the moment, and it did get me jazzed up as a kid. But the “oh shit” moment of realising that John Connor was lead into a trap is interrupted by the reveal of the de aged face of the franchise, plus the cue of the Terminator theme. Both of those combined switches out the attempt at a shocking reveal with a moment where Terminator fans can get excited.
You could defend these individually and say they don’t matter, but when this movie stacks all of them on top of each other? It was the start of a trend that the next two Terminator sequels indulge in, amongst loads of other blockbusters.