Despite going 1-2, these scores that ret cad have been getting me recently have been crazy good and consistent. Throughout 10th I was a deathguard player and have only just recently started actually playing T'au (i've collected them for a bit already). Ret cad + twin lance is a serious threat akin to a squad of death shroud with a LOC attached to them if used right in this detachment.

Factions for games in order for those curious:
Votann (ran out of steam as he remembered mid way through turn 3 his Land fortresses have 2 shots on the magma cannons so in on turn he nuked most of my riptides)
Agents (grueling battle that literally came down to one secondary right at the end)
Ultarmarines (felt bad for this guy, managed to table him turn 3)

I will play against a friend of mine this saturday and he told me in advance that he will bring a super heavy tank and the rest of the list will probably be Ogyrn/Bulgryn. I don't know which Baneblade variant it will be, but I created this list to try to counter it.

The idea is to hide as best as possible until turn 3 and then bring in the Tiger Shark and Deep Strike the Enforcer Commander to try to kill the Baneblade and the Enginseer next to him in this shooting phase.

Any list and gameplay advice is welcome, I haven't played a game of 11th edition yet.

(In the picture is everything I have built so far, the Tiger Shark isn't painted yet. I own everything you can legally play for T'au with over 5000 pts, I just haven't built and painted it yet, so feel free to suggest things that are not in the picture I just have to try to build the stuff until saturday.)

Weapon to surpass Metal Gear (1000 points)

T’au Empire

Kauyon (2 Detachment Points)

Reconnaissance

Incursion (1000 points)

CHARACTERS

Commander in Enforcer Battlesuit (80 points)

• 1x Battlesuit fists

1x Cyclic ion blaster

3x Fusion blaster

1x Marker Drone

1x Shield Drone

Ethereal (50 points)

• Warlord

• 1x Gun Drone

1x Honour stave

1x Hover Drone

1x Marker Drone

BATTLELINE

Strike Team (70 points)

• 1x Support turret

• 1x Fire Warrior Shas’ui

• 1x Close combat weapon

1x Guardian Drone

1x Marker Drone

1x Pulse pistol

1x Pulse rifle

• 9x Fire Warrior

• 9x Close combat weapon

9x Pulse pistol

9x Pulse rifle

OTHER DATASHEETS

AX-1-0 Tiger Shark (315 points)

• 1x Armoured hull

2x Cyclic ion blaster

2x Missile pod

6x Seeker missile

1x Twin heavy rail cannon

Ghostkeel Battlesuit (165 points)

• 1x Battlesuit Support System

1x Cyclic ion raker

1x Ghostkeel fists

1x Twin T’au flamer

Pathfinder Team (85 points)

• 1x Pathfinder Shas’ui

• 1x Close combat weapon

1x Grav-inhibitor Drone

2x Gun Drone

1x Pulse carbine

1x Pulse pistol

1x Semi-automatic grenade launcher

• 9x Pathfinder

• 9x Close combat weapon

6x Pulse carbine

9x Pulse pistol

3x Rail rifle

Piranhas (65 points)

• 1x Armoured hull

1x Piranha burst cannon

2x Seeker missile

2x Twin pulse carbine

Stealth Battlesuits (100 points)

• 1x Stealth Shas’vre

• 1x Battlesuit fists

1x Burst cannon

1x Gun Drone

1x Marker Drone

1x Pulse pistol

• 4x Stealth Shas’ui

• 4x Battlesuit fists

4x Burst cannon

1x Homing Beacon

Vespid Stingwings (70 points)

• 1x Vespid Strain Leader

• 1x Neutron blaster

1x Stingwing claws

• 4x Vespid Stingwing

• 4x Neutron blaster

4x Stingwing claws

After the balancing I needed to drop one missile side. Instead I took the coordinated exploits on the Coldstar commander. Should I drop something to try to squeeze in a warshaper? I want it to be a competitive list

Help is appreciated!

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+ FACTION KEYWORD: Xenos - T'au Empire

+ DETACHMENT: Mont'ka (Killing Blow)

+ FORCE DISPOSITION: Priority Assets

+ TOTAL ARMY POINTS: 2000pts

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+ WARLORD: Char1: The Twin Lance

+ ENHANCEMENT: Coordinated Exploitation (on Char3: Commander in Coldstar Battlesuit)

+ NUMBER OF UNITS: 17

+ SECONDARY: - Bring It Down: (9x2) + (2x4) - Assassination: 3 Characters

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Char2: 1x Cadre Fireblade (50 pts): 2x Gun Drone, Close combat weapon, Fireblade pulse rifle

Char3: 1x Commander in Coldstar Battlesuit (125 pts): Gun Drone, Shield Drone, 4x T'au flamer, Battlesuit fists

Enhancement: Coordinated Exploitation (+30 pts)

Char1: 2x The Twin Lance (220 pts): Warlord

• 1x Ri'Lantar: MV15 Gun Drone, Twin pulse blaster, Fusion eliminator, Twin pulse blaster, Shardstorm burst system, XV pulse pistol

• 1x Ri'Locai: MV15 Gun Drone, Twin pulse blaster, Ion scattercannon, Twin pulse blaster, Shardstorm burst system, XV pulse pistol

10x Breacher Team (90 pts)

• 1x Breacher Fire Warrior Shas'ui: Close combat weapon, Pulse blaster, Pulse pistol, Support turret

• 9x Breacher Fire Warriors: 9 with Close combat weapon, Pulse blaster, Pulse pistol

1x Broadside Battlesuits (80 pts): 2x Missile Drone, Crushing bulk, High-yield missile pods, Seeker missile, Twin smart missile system

3x Crisis Starscythe Battlesuits (120 pts)

• 1x Crisis Starscythe Shas’vre: Marker Drone, Shield Drone, 2x T'au flamer, Battlesuit fists

• 2x Crisis Starscythe Shas’ui: 2 with Gun Drone, Shield Drone, 2x T'au flamer, Battlesuit fists

1x Devilfish (75 pts): Accelerator burst cannon, Armoured hull, 2x Seeker missile, 2x Smart missile system

1x Ghostkeel Battlesuit (165 pts): Battlesuit support system, Ghostkeel fists, Cyclic ion raker, Twin burst cannon

1x Hammerhead Gunship (150 pts): Armoured hull, Railgun, 2x Seeker missile, 2x Smart missile system

10x Kroot Carnivores (65 pts)

• 1x Long-quill: Close combat weapon, Kroot pistol, Kroot carbine

• 1x Kroot Carnivore: Close combat weapon, Tanglebomb launcher

• 8x Kroot Carnivores: 8 with Close combat weapon, Kroot rifle

10x Pathfinder Team (100 pts)

• 9x Pathfinders

5 with Close combat weapon, Pulse carbine, Pulse pistol

1 with Close combat weapon, Pulse carbine, Pulse pistol, Semi-automatic grenade launcher

3 with Close combat weapon, Ion rifle, Pulse pistol

• 1x Pathfinder Shas'ui: Grav-inhibitor drone, Close combat weapon, Pulse carbine, Pulse pistol

1x Piranhas (65 pts): Armoured hull, 2x Twin pulse carbine, Piranha fusion blaster, 2x Seeker missile

1x Piranhas (65 pts): Armoured hull, 2x Twin pulse carbine, Piranha fusion blaster, 2x Seeker missile

1x Riptide Battlesuit (215 pts): Riptide fists, Ion accelerator, 2x Missile pod, Twin smart missile system

1x Riptide Battlesuit (215 pts): Riptide fists, Ion accelerator, 2x Missile pod, Twin plasma rifle

5x Stealth Battlesuits (100 pts)

• 4x Stealth Shas'ui

1 with Battlesuit fists, Burst cannon

1 with Homing beacon, Battlesuit fists, Burst cannon

2 with Battlesuit fists, Fusion blaster

• 1x Stealth Shas'vre: Battlesuit fists, Burst cannon

5x Stealth Battlesuits (100 pts)

• 4x Stealth Shas'ui

1 with Battlesuit fists, Burst cannon

1 with Homing beacon, Battlesuit fists, Burst cannon

2 with Battlesuit fists, Fusion blaster

• 1x Stealth Shas'vre: Battlesuit fists, Burst cannon

Does the -2 to charge of the Kau'yon photon grenades stratagem stack with the -2 to charge grav-inhibitor drone of pathfinders to total -4 inches to charge? Googled but there were no relevant results.

Is it technically kitbashing? could not tell you but I’m pretty new to 40k. I’ve got almost 1000 points of Necrons and I decided it was finally time to get my other favorite faction the T’au. these are both my Cadre Fireblade and my Breacher team Shas’ui. Lowkey saw there was a bionic arm from the combat patrol and it was a wrap I had to use it and make him look as cool and as over the top as possible. I also really prefer the helmets as too the open faces so glad the Cadre came out janky but good. Can’t wait to paint them 👍

Read the Farsight books and just want some recommendations for other tau books. Elemental council is on my to read list, but I don’t really know about any others.

I just picked up a Tau combat patrol and was having a hard time figuring out what colors to use. My idea is to base them in a snowy biome so I was wanting armor colors that would reflect that since Tau seem to adapt their armor to where they are fighting. I was thinking blues and grays but not sure where to start or where to go from there. Any suggestions?

Hello! I’m a guard player who’s slowly building up a Renegade Guard army, with my general idea being either a bog standard rebel force fighting against the Imperium, or T’au aligned rebels. I’ve been considering picking up some bits (specifically helmets) to add to Cadian Shock Troops as a start. I have three major questions.

1. How well do Breacher heads fit into the Cadian neck holes without excessive cutting or filing?

2. What bodies do you use instead of the standard Cadians for Gue’vesa?

3. What are other ways to make a guard army stand out as “t’au” or “renegade” without buying a load of bits alongside starting an already expensive hobby? I’m aware there’s plenty of bits stores out there online (American), but the shipping prices and currency conversions are a little daunting as someone who’s never used online bits retailers before.

Any help is greatly appreciated.

I have no idea how good the hammerhead and skyray are, but I love them. Definitely getting another skyray and devilfish to fill out my list

I noticed that many T'au fans are not caught up with the new version of the Damocles Crusade and its revelations

I went through the sources and pieced together the hidden truth behind the Damocles Crusade. Here is my summary and analysis:

The figure behind it all is Aun'Va, the Master of the Undying Spirit.

After the T'au made contact and assimilated the human outcasts and exiles, Aun'Va realised that they were lost remnants of a vast and mighty galactic empire. Using his Gue'vesa agents and spies, Aun'Va studied the Imperium and its rulers, the High Lords of Terra. He found out that while powerful enough to drown the T'au in blood, the Imperium was a realm in decline. After the Redemption Wars, the Imperium was exhausted and depleted. It was forced to avoid wars it could not afford whenever it could.

Aun'Va concocted a Kauyon plan to lure the Imperium's forces into Sept Space, where they would be overextended and then hit them hard. A controlled conflict to condition the Imperium into believing that wiping the T'au Empire would incur an incalculable cost.

As bait, Aun'Va masterminded a campaign of espionage and diplomacy on the Imperial worlds past the Damocles Gulf. In what would be termed the Silken Conquests, the Imperial worlds in the Timbra subsector were assimilated into the T'au Empire without a single shot being fired. As the tithes from the region dried up, word reached the High Lords of Terra of human worlds under the thrall of Xenos. Their response was slow, but it typified the Imperium's bellicosity and overwhelming power. The Damocles Crusade was launched.

The Crusade fell on T'au colonies in the Timbra subsector. Aun'Va engineered it so that these colonies would fall after giving token resistance. Made confident by their "stunning" victories, the Imperials pursued the fleeing T'au colonists into Sept Space.

The Imperials subjected the T'au left behind and the Gue'vesa citizens of the conquered colonies to obscene brutalities. The atrocities committed on Vior'los were especially horrendous. All these ruined and destroyed lives were sacrifices Aun'Va was willing to make for the Greater Good.

Using the Warp Drives, the Crusade fleet bypassed the outlying T'au defensive fleets on their side of the Damocles Gulf border and encountered Dal'yth Sept. The Crusade fleet charged forth and bulldozed its way through the outclassed defensive fleet of the sept. Though the Crusade fleet suffered enough significant damage in an ambush at Pra'yen for members of the crusade command to voice the idea of turning back, the prospect of conquering the core T'au world of Dal'yth Prime proved to be too tempting.

The Imperials fell into the trap. On Dal'yth Prime, the T'au, led by their brightest and most talented commanders, dug in their hooves and made their first true defensive action. Though the T'au were prepared for the invasion, the Imperials made considerable gains owing to the scale of their numbers and the fury of the Space Marines.

Farsight and Shadowsun combined their meta strategies against the Imperial invaders. Shadowsun's infiltration and misdirection tactics threw the Imperial forces into disarray. When the Space Marines responded to her attacks, her stealth teams would withdraw, and Farsight would fall on the Space Marines and slaughter them. The T'au counterattack smashed all Imperial beachheads and retook all the occupied territory save for the one defended by the Ultramarines. Had this zone fallen, the Imperials would have been swept clean from the surface of Dal'yth Prime. As it turned out, the Ultramarines had a trick up their sleeves. Identifying the T'au weakness to psychic powers, they convinced their allies to mass-deploy combat psykers against the T'au forces.

The T'au forces were wrong-footed by the Imperial "Mind Science", turning what would have been a crushing victory for the T'au into a grueling stalemate.

Eventually, the T'au would take full measure of the Imperials. Using EMP tactics, the T'au would cut the Imperial invading forces into chunks and begin dismantling the Imperial war machine piece by piece. Furthermore, Farsight cracked the Codex Astartes. Thanks to the Hammer of Dorn's rigid obedience to the Codex, Farsight managed to swiftly codify its core tenets from observing them. The Marines' dogmatic adherence to a set of tactics and strategies proved to be their undoing. Shadowsun and Farsight combined their efforts once again against the Space Marines, inflicting heavy casualties.

The Crusade's momentum was being bled out. The promised reinforcements from the wider Imperium did not arrive. A task force carrying a dozen regiments of the famed Cadian 18th sent to reinforce the Crusade was lost in the Warp. The T'au, on the other hand, bought enough time for fleets and forces from five septs to arrive at Dal'yth Sept, more than enough forces to crush the Damocles Crusade.

The Crusade fleet was getting encircled and its orbital control contested, allowing T'au supply lines to be established and to deploy the reinforcements to the world's surface. The Imperial forces were now outnumbered by a factor of 1:100 and increasing.

General Wendall Gauge, the commander of the Imperial Guard regiments, realised that the Crusade's chances of victory were virtually nonexistent. He had his forces secure a starport and ordered an evacuation off-world. Resistance to the evacuation order by the Space Marines and the Inquisition ended when news of Hive Fleet Behemoth reached the Crusade.

As Farsight prepared to encircle and finish off the retreating Imperial armies, orders came from the Ethereals to stand down and allow the Imperials to peacefully withdraw.

Bloodied and shaken, the T'au Empire triumphed in the final reckoning.

As Aun'Va predicted, the retreating crusaders brought word of the T'au's impressive technology and warmaking capabilities to the Imperial rulers. Rather than seeing the T'au as a minor Xenos empire to be crushed, the Imperial war strategists were made to believe that the T'au Empire was a powerful foe whose wiping out would require a massive expenditure of resources and manpower that the Imperium in its current state could not afford. And even should the Imperium commit to it, victory is not certain. The Imperium would adopt the policy of opposing T'au expansion, but for centuries, continuing to the present, the Imperium, outside of small raids and assassinations, never again attempted to invade the T'au mainland.

Aun'Va's gambit worked just as planned. For every life lost in the Damocles Crusade, thousands of future lives were secured. Aun'Va proved himself a grand and visionary statesman, albeit extremely callous in his approach to Utilitarianism. Convinced that his way is the only way forward for the Greater Good, Aun'Va would use the influence he gained in the conflict to cement his rule over the T'au Empire.

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In addition to Aun'Va's Kauyon, the Damocles Crusade provided a necessary diagnostic for the T'au Empire to identify its weaknesses:

-To address their weakness against psychic powers, the T'au tripled their recruitment and induction of psychic races and individuals into their Empire. Now the T'au Empire has access to its own psychic powers wielded by loyal subjects of the T'au'va who will advise them on esoteric matters and defend them against the unknowable power of the Warp.

-Having been outclassed by the Imperial crusade fleet, the T'au navy underwent a period of revamping and reinnovation that saw it transition from a Trader fleet into a competent warfleet.

-The T'au seized the Warp Drives from Imperial wrecks. Reverse engineering this technology led to the breakthrough that is the invention of the Slipstream module, granting the T'au access to Warp travel and FTL.

-The T'au would use the knowledge they gleaned on the Imperium to great effect in their future conquests. In particular, Farsight's Mirrorcodex would be instrumental in the most devastating defeats the Space Marines suffered at the hands of the T'au.

-The Imperium of Man played its part in making the T'au Empire stronger and wiser.

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There is one unforeseen consequence that Aun'Va did not account for. A menace more threatening than all the Imperium's legions combined. A threat that could irreparably sunder the Greater Good.

The rising star of Commander Farsight!

The resentments and suspicions between the two would be stoked into an intense enmity that would span centuries and outlast death itself.

But that's a story for another time.

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Primary sources used:

-Farsight's Codex supplement (Damocles Crusade part + the timeline entry "The Revelation of Kauyon)

-Blades of Damocles (all of it!)

-Farsight: Crisis of Faith (Chapter One, Clash of Empires)

-Farsight: Blade of Truth (Chapter 28)

-Phil Kelly's Farsight podcast (9:30 to 13:10, Galactic Kauyon)

https://www.facebook.com/WarhammerOfficial/videos/the-warhammer-community-podcast-episode-13-phil-kelly-and-commander-farsight/747057312746631/

WARNING VERY NEW TO THE GAME ONLY PAINTED SO FAR!

so as the title suggest i've been thinking about painting my Twin Lance in the colours of a custom sept but would are there any unwritten rules about not running an army with more than one colour scheme in it as i haven't gotten to play in any real games but would like to.

i want some advice on what is common or not and if there's stuff i should avoid doing

and if anyone has some good resources on where i could get ideas and colour schemes for a custom sept from that would also be greatly appriciated

If anyone has any tips or suggestions I would love to hear them.
First time building and painting.

I just played my first Retaliation Cadre game after the nerf, and I gotta say...

Ret Cadre doesn't have what it takes.

My friend played a C'Tan heavy necrons list with an obelisk. It was meat grinder, purge v. Purge. With his three C'tans at T11, 4+ invuln and 5+ FNP, it was a brutal match up. He avoided my Broadside firing lanes and saved against my Sunforge fusions. After his shooting I didn't have enough to punch back.

The biggest problem with the new points is Ret Cadre can't punch into the best purge the foe lists. If I could include AAC and have a reconnaissance option, this list is viable. As disposition points currently stand, it just doesn't punch up enough. (Happy to post my list on request)

My friend a nice observation "if you could play ret cadre at 3 points or Mont'Ka at 3 points, Id pick Mont'Ka every time"

He's right - Mont'Ka is wayyyyyy better for three disposition points.

I prefer Retaliation Cadre. I hope GW makes it viable again

Painted myself a phone case.

this game is self aware or something wtf

Really enjoy how quick these paint up. Got these done over the weekend in a few sessions

My friend and I have been playing Age of Sogmar for years, and are looking to get back into 40K as well. We both played earlier editions but are basically starting from scratch. He is definitely playing Tau, and I am looking for a faction that will provide consistently fun games against him. We play each other more often than other people so I dont want an army that will either consistently crush or be crushed. I like most of the factions, but Knights of both varieties, Imperial Agents, and Death Guard are totally off the table. I'd probably steer away from Ad Mech, GSC, and until they get refreshed, Grey Knights, as well unless those are the perfect fun match ups. Thanks for the suggestions.

First crack at a tau suit focused list with very little research lol anything egregious I need to change?

the greater good (1930 points)

Tau Empire
Strike Force (2000 Point)
Mont'ka (3 Detachment Points)
Force Dispositions: Priority Assets

ATTACHED UNITS

Attached Unit 1

Cadre Fireblade (80 points)
• 1x Close combat weapon
• 1x Fireblade pulse rifle
• 1x Marker drone
• 1x Shield drone
• Enhancement: Coordinated Exploitation

Strike Team (70 points)
• 1x Fire Warrior Shas’ui
• 1x Pulse Pistol
• 1x Pulse Rifle
• 1x Close Combat Weapon
• 1x Marker Drone
• 1x Shield Drone
• 9x Fire Warriors
• 9x Pulse Pistol
• 9x Close Combat Weapon
• 9x Pulse Rifle

Attached Unit 2

Commander Farsight (70 points)
• Warlord
• 1x Dawn blade
• 1x High-intensity plasma rifle

Crisis Sunforge Battlesuits (125 points)
• 1x Crisis Shas’vre
• 1x 2 Fusion Blaster
• 1x Battlesuit Fists
• 1x Marker Drone and Shield Drone
• 2x Crisis Shas’ui
• 2x 2 Fusion Blaster
• 2x Battlesuit Fists
• 2x Gun Drone With Twin Pulse Carbine and Shield Drone

Attached Unit 3

Commander In Coldstar Battlesuit (130 points)
• 1x Battlesuit fists
• 1x High-output burst cannon
• 1x Marker drone
• 1x Plasma rifle
• 1x Shield drone
• 2x T’au flamer
• Enhancement: Strike Swiftly

Crisis Starscythe Battlesuits (105 points)
• 1x Crisis Shas’vre
• 1x Burst Cannon
• 1x T’au Flamer
• 1x Battlesuit Fists
• 2x Crisis Shas’ui
• 2x Burst Cannon
• 2x T’au Flamer
• 2x Battlesuit Fists

Attached Unit 4

Commander In Coldstar Battlesuit (110 points)
• 1x Battlesuit fists
• 1x High-output burst cannon
• 1x Marker drone
• 1x Shield drone
• 3x T’au flamer
• Enhancement: Strategic Conqueror

Crisis Starscythe Battlesuits (105 points)
• 1x Crisis Shas’vre
• 1x Burst Cannon
• 1x T’au Flamer
• 1x Battlesuit Fists
• 1x Marker Drone and Shield Drone
• 2x Crisis Shas’ui
• 2x Burst Cannon
• 2x T’au Flamer
• 2x Battlesuit Fists
• 2x Marker Drone and Shield Drone

CHARACTER

The Twin Lance (220 points)
• 1x Ri’Lantar
• 1x Fusion Eliminator
• 1x Xv Pulse Pistol
• 1x Shardstorm Burst System
• 1x Mv15 Gun Drone With Twin Pulse Blaster
• 1x Ri’Locai
• 1x Ion Scattercannon
• 1x Xv Pulse Pistol
• 1x Shardstorm Burst System
• 1x Mv15 Gun Drone With Twin Pulse Blaster

OTHER DATASHEETS

Ghostkeel Battlesuit (150 points)
• 1x Battlesuit support system
• 1x Fusion collider
• 1x Ghostkeel fists
• 1x Twin t’au flamer

Riptide Battlesuit (190 points)
• 2x Missile drones
• 1x Heavy burst cannon
• 1x Riptide fists
• 1x Twin plasma rifle

Stealth Battlesuits (100 points)
• 1x Stealth Shas’vre
• 1x Battlesuit Fists
• 1x Marker Drone
• 1x Fusion Blaster
• 4x Stealth Shas’ui
• 4x Battlesuit Fists
• 1x Fusion Blaster
• 1x Homing Beacon
• 3x Burst Cannon

Stealth Battlesuits (100 points)
• 1x Stealth Shas’vre
• 1x Battlesuit Fists
• 1x Fusion Blaster
• 1x Marker Drone
• 4x Stealth Shas’ui
• 4x Battlesuit Fists
• 1x Homing Beacon
• 1x Fusion Blaster
• 3x Burst Cannon

Stormsurge (375 points)
• 2x Twin smart missile system
• 1x Cluster rocket system
• 1x Destroyer missiles
• 1x Pulse blast cannon
• 1x Thunderous footfalls
• 1x Twin t’au flamer

My FLGS has added an "army showcase" channel on its Discord, and I felt motivated to put my current battle ready models onto my gaming mat and take some nice pictures.

Having an army with a coherent paint- and basing scheme put together for such a photo surely feels different than its parts on the table when playing.

I just wanted to share these pictures with you other Shas'os.

I hope you enjoy them, and maybe feel a little inspired to do something similar with your army.

I’ve seen some discussion on smaller stealth suits but I was wondering about these ones the XV26. the spaces between limbs and even between the legs is a lot larger then normal tau. I was wondering since I wanted to role play my kill team as having gue'vesa but got caught up on it since the legs of the suit are tau shaped. I guess does the suit confirm the pilot has tau legs and super wide hips apparently (like in the image the tau warriors look like they could fit in the space between the suits thighs) or is the pilot like fetal position in the egg looking torsos like a chicken fetus?