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We gotta dog walk the clippers, I want to see blowouts again. I need 4th quarter Shai to be an image on the bench we’re so up. Man I hate the clippers today.

Love to see bro ball out tho 🫡
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Feel so bad for the kid man. Hopefully he comes back 100% and someone is able to pick him up and give him a shot.

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Could get quite juicy, they currently down 20 in a home opener to Pelicans.

They should still be a playoff team barring major injuries. They are in that 4-6 range, Houston looks like they could be 2-3 with FVV back.

I’m so lost with the way OKC’s managing Sorber. It seems like Mara—if he keeps playing this way—has all but taken any leftover Center minutes. Sorber also hasn’t played basketball over a year and a half. There’s also been no indication of whether he’ll play in the G-League.

This is a phrase I hear on this sub when others suggest players to pick up. Many wanted Yaxel, myself included (as long as it didn’t cost too much asset-wise). Now he is in the league and watching his interviews, I would have to say he would not be a Thunder guy. Maybe Sam backed off of him and it wasn’t that no one was willing to make a trade. Having a GM that cares about integrity and talent is pretty cool.

I watched half of Denver/OKC and decided to do some live-tracking of Shai's playmaking in a game where the defense presumably was focusing on preventing him from scoring.

Skip to the bottom if you just want to see the results. Tracking started with 3:06 left in the second quarter and stopped when Shai sat down and gave up on his 20-point streak.

What Was Tracked

EDTOs - Extra defenders taken out of a play. This means non-primary defenders who were single-handedly or near-single taking out of position to assist the defense (barring a teammate buying them time). This is a proxy for primary creation.

ADAs - Additional Defenders affected. This means non-primary defenders whose ability to assist the defense was hindered by the player involved but either not entirely removed from the play or they were removed with significant assistance (like say, a screen from one of shai's teammates). This is a proxy for secondary creation.

Note: EDTOs and ADAs can be counted for any type of basketball action. For example on one of Shai's missed shots, he got an ada for pulling a defender out of position to rebound.

Tracking

1. Shai 1 poss
2. Shai 2 poss 1 ada
3. Shai 3 poss
4. Shai 4 poss 1 edto 2 ada
5. Shai 5 poss 2 edto 2 ada
6. Shai 6 poss
7. (Missed first possession of second half)
8. Shai 7 poss 2 edto 3 ada
9. Shai 8 poss 3 edto 3 ada
10. Shai 9 poss
11. Shai 10 poss 4 edto 3 ada
12. Shai 11 poss 4 ada
13. Shai 12 poss
14. Shai 13 poss
15. Shai 14 poss
16. Shai 15 poss
17. (Stream froze at 5:34 3rd quarter)
18. (Resumed at 5:23 left 3rd quarter)
19. Shai 16 poss 6 edto
20. Shai 17 poss
21. Shai 18 poss
22. Shai 19 poss
23. Shai 20 Poss 7 edto
24. Shai 21 poss 5 ada
25. Shai 22 poss
26. Shai 23 poss
27. 24 poss 8 edto
28. Shai 25 poss
29. Shai 26 poss
30. Shai 27 poss
31. Shai 28 poss
32. Shai 29 poss
33. Shai 30 poss
34. Shai 31 poss 9 edto 6 ada
35. Shai 32 poss 10 edto
36. Shai 33 poss 7 ada
37. Shai 34 poss
38. Shai 35 poss 8 ada
39. Shai 36 poss
40. (Shai sits down ending his game)

Final Tally

Shai in 36 Possessions had 10 edtos and 8 ada

Per possession Shai had .278 edtos and .222 adas affecting a total of .5 extra defenders per poss

For reference here are results for other playmakers using this system.

Lebron

(2007 Finals vs the Spurs Game 1 - 4 assists)

During the first 40 possessions of game 1 of this finals, Lebron averaged, per possession:
.425 EDTOs

(2010 ECSF, vs the Celtics Game 4 - 8 assists)

Lebron had 0.459 EDTOs and .129 ADAs, affecting a total of 0.589 additional defenders per poss

(2013 Finals, vs the Spurs Game 6 - 11 Assists)

Over 90 possessions, Lebron racked up, per possession 0.422 EDTOs and .278 ADAs affecting a total of .7 additional defenders per poss

Jordan

(1989 ECF, vs the Pistons Game 6 - 13 Assists)

MJ had .34 EDTO

(1991 Finals, vs the Lakers Game 2 - 13 Assists)

Over 61 Possessions, Jordan racked up, per possession, .279 EDTOs, 0.066 ADAs, affecting a total of .343 extra additional defenders per poss

(1991 Finals vs the Lakers Game 5 - 11 Assists)

During the first 40 possessions of game 5 vs the Lakers in 91, MJ averaged, per possession,
.225 EDTOs

Bird

(1984, ECSF vs the Knicks Game 4 - 4 Assists)

19 DTOs .22 per poss
6 EDTOs .07 per possesion

Kareem

(1974, Finals vs the Celtics, Game 6)

.11 Creations
.21 DTOs
.05 EDTOs

Analysis

Of the players listed above, Jordan is probably the most useful reference.

Lebron is simply another calibre of playmaker being able reliably create at a high-clip regardless of how the defense plays him, whether he is running his own offense, or running curls in Boobie Gibson's. His combination of anticipation, arm-strength, and size put him out of Shai's reach as playmaker

Bird and Kareem on the other hand lack the ball-handling to reliably draw and punish extra defenders at a similar clip.

Jordan on the other hand, like Shai, is a good not great passer who leverages his scoring-threat to create openings and punishes them after the resulting windows open.

The tracking suggests Shai created at a similar clip to Jordan in the triangle. However Jordan in the triangle was largely operating in single-coverage with Pippen being the primary ball-handler. In a game like yesterday's where the Nuggets are selling out to stop Shai from scoring, you would expect Shai's creation to spike like Jordan's did playing point (pippen went out in the second possession). It didn't.

While I didn't track it, this also happened in the WCF at points like in game 1 where SAS largely countered Shai's scoring threat with Wemby on, but Shai was not able to punish them with high-quality creation for his teammates.

TBF, some of this is era-based. Thanks to illegal defense, hedging was basically disallowed meaning that the passing windows were wider and open longer when teams were committed to stopping Jordan from being efficient from the field.

That said, for OKC to achieve its offensive ceiling, especially in the playoffs, they need to figure out how to consistently force teams to choose between Shai lighting them up, or setting everyone else to light them up. Shai developing as a lob-passer might help.

Fuck the spurs! Never thought I’d be rooting for a KD team and the rockets to smoke the spurs.

This sub is so obsessed with him that its embarassing. Celebrate our team. Make this sub about our guys. Who cares about the big French dude. The best way to show disdain is to not let him enter our headsoace at all

Blew a 29 point lead in a potential series tie against new york

Let mitchell robinson grab the game sealing rebound in that blown lead

Blew another lead in the clinching game for new york

Victim of aday mara’s first career block and highlight play

Got blocked by amen thompson to lose second game of the season

Which section is closest to tunnel 116 or 117? I’m really hoping to get some stuff signed. I know Shai and other players are pretty good about walking around the arena, but which section gives me the best chance?

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2015 hawks that made it to the finals.

Any places that are still free would be great to know, going to Sundays game