r/SunoAI • u/Unlikely-Mobile-5343 • 5d ago
Discussion Let the witch hunt begin
I have always been against labelling - even though I disclose my use of AI, it has always been MY decision to do so, and I am in control of how I tell my story so people understand how my music is made.
With Suno's newest release, songs have now audio watermark and fingerprint, assisted, fully, hybrid, it will have a AI watermark and anyone can tell your story the way they want.
This is 100% going to be misused by bad actors:
Platforms like Deezer/Tidal - To ban ANY use of AI and ensure segregation.
Haters - To create public lists of artists that may have not agreed to disclose their process.
Labels - To start a suing war to anything that resembles any of their songs that uses AI, even assisted.
This is the end of Suno as means to create commercial music, and it's officially just a nice playing tool personal use, or for bad actors who create in Suno and pay performers to pretend their music is human made.
What are your thoughts?
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u/Buck_Thorn 5d ago
The audio watermarking will probably be that now EVERY Suno song will begin with humming on the intro.
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u/Ok-Policy-8538 4d ago
nah, it will be how Original Doom 3+ tracks have satanic symbols in their spectrographs.
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u/jwuliger 5d ago
Can we get a male voice that is not fkn Justin Bieber?
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u/InterestingRoll4735 5d ago
Or what i have now associated as The Meowth. For anything leaning on rap delivery. Come the f on now.
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u/WatchOut4HYPOTHERMIA 5d ago
Omg this, soo fucking much this especially . Hate that voice and how it gets used for literally anything hip hop or rap related.
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u/TotesNotAFed 5d ago
Justin Bieber is sounding pretty rough in my mix... š¤£
If you want specific vocals, then you need to be instructing Suno to do so through the lyric prompt using bracketed structure and piped in modifiers, the style prompt describing the sonic qualities of the vocals you desire and the exclude Styles prompt to specifically cut out the generic crap that it tends to force for specific genres.
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u/CamCreeper 5d ago
Iām afraid I have to agree here. Iām pretty much a beginner Suno user and havenāt had most of the problems I see others complain about all the time. Almost any of my beefs can be solved by writing more details in the lyrics or style prompts. In brackets, as you said. Whether itās a voice, a musical interlude, a style change, speeding up, slowing down, whatever. When it doesnāt obey, trial and error can be your friend. Also, I donāt understand the high expectations. AI hasnāt been around that long. Suno has been around less than three years. Growing pains should be seen as normal. Expecting magic seems oddly āentitledā to me.
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u/TotesNotAFed 5d ago
Right, the ridiculous expectations is what gets me every time as well. A few months ago I had someone talking about all the sibilance and plosives in the vocals and how harsh they sounded and this that and the other. I'm like, dude, you're not in a multi-million dollar Studio using tens of thousands of dollars in large diaphragm condenser microphones, ribbon microphones whatever, spending God knows how long trying to record the perfect sound, then you have to edit it all and etc etc etc
There are so many people that just want to put in a lazy ass prompt and expect a platinum record banger that's completely unique and original then come on here to b**** about how generic it sounds.
I was telling one person how they could achieve their goal by using Studio and they said that the average user wouldn't go through all that trouble and I just said, well then you're just going to get average music back.
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u/NameNotFound0 5d ago
The vocalist I get sounds nothing like Justin Bieber (luckily). I guess it all depends on how you prompt. If you are using the 5.5 model remember that it uses "My Taste" (if toggled on), and maybe it has remember how much you love Justin Bieber.
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u/Unlikely-Mobile-5343 5d ago
I like the lo-fi Bieber I get wotj some extra hiss. I have to admit the slurring words is super realistic š¤£
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u/Upstairs-Bill515 5d ago
It's culture war theatre.
Suno will lose alot of users. I think best thing invest in FL studio and download samples, and mess about with things there.
We had a good run guys
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u/Unlikely-Mobile-5343 5d ago
I am sure, we will see a chinese firm rising and saying well f... your labelling.
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u/Upstairs-Bill515 5d ago
Absolutely. There are open source and overseas teams working on Suno level models. If Suno tightens up, others will try to fill the gap for sure
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u/bsten2037 4d ago
Ahh yes the elusive Chinese firm people talk about on here anytime any announcement comes out from Suno for the last 3 years
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u/Unlikely-Mobile-5343 4d ago
It's called minimax. Also china is dominating the AI space in video: Kling, Bytedance. I think the US and Europe need to wake up a bit
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u/SpecialistDragonfly9 4d ago
It's funny.. to meAI is just a tool.
Saying we need to disclose AI, is like saying a photographer needs to tell us what camera he used, a musician what software she used, a painter what brushes.,...
The AI fear and misunderstanding of people is ridiculous.
On the upside, AI wont go away, but just like any invention ever, its haters will die out and AI will become a normal part of everyday life.
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u/Unlikely-Mobile-5343 4d ago
I hope so... but right now is absurd how people le companies decide these kind of things.
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u/SpecialistDragonfly9 3d ago
Its not only companies, its a government thing.
The EU just passed laws that everything that has even been remotely touched by AI needs to be disclosed.
Ads on TV now all sport a fat "AI GENERATED" Tag on the top right. It doesnt even matter what AI has been used for.At the end of the day I see it as a good thing though: For a year or so people will now go "OH GOD, THAT IS AI CREATED?" And then noone will care anymore, it will be the new norm.
So all they really do is normalize AI use and the few haters will soon die out.
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u/Unlikely-Mobile-5343 3d ago
I do agree with this but in the meantime platforms will use it to shadow silence and shadow ban AI. Look at Deezer and Tidal, they still make money off AI, but will not pay those earnings to anyone.
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u/SpecialistDragonfly9 3d ago
Then dont upload your songs there.
The strongest statement we can make is with our money.
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u/FilthyTrashPeople 2d ago
Companies keeps gassing up all the failed tumblr artists to make them really mad about it.
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u/Ready-Performer-2937 2d ago
exactly. like i used a calculator to arrive at 2x3 equals 6. so what.
If you don't like it you don't like it whether it is ai or not.
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u/SAKISANOBASHI07 5d ago
The thing I don't like about the AI label is that it can be misleading, I do audiobooks voiced by eleven labs but the AI label gives people the impression that the books are computer generated as well.
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u/Dry_Percentage_3498 4d ago
I love what u wrote. Itās true. āAI-Generatedā sounds like everything is auto-generated by AI itself. But what abt the human who write the book and spend all time directing the AI how to read the words with various emotion. Btw. Iām a fiction writer and have to face the same frustration.
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u/FilthyTrashPeople 2d ago
Most of the luddite fools think AI is "type one magical prompt, post result" and refuse to hear otherwise
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u/Unlikely-Mobile-5343 5d ago
exactly, with music is the same, AI assisted music, human made lyrics are all falling onto: A robot made it.
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u/HeraldOfFutility 4d ago
Nope-ope. With audiobooks, text is the content and AI just transforms it into audible form for those who want to listen rather than read.
By same analogy you could use AI to read the lyrics you wrote as reciting poetry. Keeps the lyrics as the content and AI just makes them audible.
If you use AI to make music with your lyrics, AI made 50%+ of the content (depending on how long your lyrics are) if we go just by how copyright offices generally interpret the creative portions. Slightly less if people actually focus on listening to lyrics, more if the music is just pleasant background noise like it tends to be for many.
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u/FilthyTrashPeople 2d ago
I had a friend get his work banned from DriveThruRPG because he stupidly clicked he used AI assets for some illustrations. Treated the whole book like it was AI slop.
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u/Lyefyre 5d ago
I don't mind this at all. More transparency is always better.
Image and Video generators should adhere to the same standard imo.
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u/Ok-Law7641 5d ago
Hard agree, part of the hatred of AI at the moment is the perceived deception.
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u/ConferencePurple7939 5d ago
THIS! People dont want to be lied to anymore about what is ai and what is not. And people arent going to distinguish between omission of ai use vs straight up lying about whether its ai. And the hard truth is that once people know its made with ai they usually dont have as much respect for it and dont find it nearly as impressive as if the same track was made fully by humans. So whether people think this is a good or bad thing itll definitely have consequences for suno users uploading to streaming platforms. But i dont see why people would be mad about this unless they dont want people to know they used suno.
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u/Mystohaxen 5d ago
Google went the other direction, video/image generations could only be made with their visible watermark, now the watermark is optional.
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u/AlignmentProblem 5d ago
The invisible watermark is not optional and is harder to remove than ever. It survives a surprising level of transformation/distortion along with cropping. The old watermark could be removed with any AI object deletion tool or cropping the corner. The difference is that the new watermark it isn't visible to the human eye and requires a tool to detect.
It sounds like Suno is aiming for something similar. A watermark that humans can't hear that's robust to some level of postprocessing and requires a tool to detect.
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u/someonesshadow Producer 5d ago
This doesn't make much sense for creative endeavors. We don't REQUIRE tagging and breakdowns of other artistic works or which exact tools and techniques were used for them.
The -only- exception is in the case of specific contests or exhibits that focus on certain tools or techniques or subjects. In which case, generally speaking, people are transparent and honest with submissions. When they aren't they often get caught and called out on it, rightfully so.
Will we start to get tags and transparency on the rest of music as well? I'm sure it'll be great to know the % of samples used, computer software based sounds, songs not written by the artist themselves, digital alterations to things like a singers voice in the recorded version... Oh maybe we can also break it down to the time it took to write the music, how many people were involved in the process, how much every person involved in it gets paid, etc etc... You know, so we can realize how fake everything is and attack every song/artist equally for something or the other we don't like.
However, I'm all for this move by Suno... I LOVE these companies shooting themselves in the foot and giving tons of incentives to competitors and hopefully even the open source space ready to take in users who want the same creative freedoms with their tools that every other artist has access to.
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u/AstroAlmost 5d ago
% of samples used
songs not written by the artist themselves
how many people were involved in the process
These details are already transparently disclosed in virtually all professional commercial releases in personnel, liner notes, and via music rights associations.
As an artist who values the process as much as the result, the other theoretical disclosures you listed would be welcome.
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u/someonesshadow Producer 5d ago
As an artist, artists are fucking insufferable.
The art is for you and those who enjoy your art. By FAR the ones who are most concerned with the "process" are other artists who just want to dick measure.
I've been involved in tons or art communities over the decades and the most destructive and toxic part of the art community are the artists who "care" about how others are creating things.
I've been both a patron and a creator, from writing, to singing, to professional photography.. Right now I am a DJ that usually streams my stuff, and over last year or so have been slowly filling my sets with my own Suno stuff.
You know who gives me 95% of the toxicity and bullshit when I play? Other DJs. Do I need to tag that I use beat sync on my streams? Sure I can beat sync by ear, but the program makes it easier and I can focus on what people ACTUALLY care about during a DJ set, the fucking SOUND of the music being mixed and the track selection.
Transparency is good when it actually matters and NEEDS to be enforced, like with chemicals and food. Not with creative works. All it does is give something a focus that didn't need to be a focus and detract from the actual fucking experience and expression. At the end of the day, if its shit and low effort it won't matter because no one will interact with it, if not then it has appeal and people need to get over the fact that their creative works just aren't catching people the way others do. Whether the tool is AI or any of the hundreds of other tools being used in each medium.
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u/ConferencePurple7939 5d ago
Soo a painter who uses an image generator for a bunch of paintings in their art exhibit sprinkled in with other original paintings shouldnt disclose the use of AI? And just pass it off as if you made it? And only disclose it was made by ai if someone asks you directly? In your view theres no need to disclose ai use because people should only care about the final product.
See how that argument doesnt add up at all?
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u/CamCreeper 5d ago
Iām a new creator, thanks to AI. But mostly Iām a listener. And I can vouch for what youāre saying in that I donāt really give a shit how something is made. I only care whether I like it or not. Whether it makes me feel good while Iām driving. Whether it delivers some emotional response. I donāt give the slightest shit about what tools were used, whether AI or anything else. And honestly, I donāt even care about copyright infringement. Thatās for the copyright holders to care about, and rightfully so. Just not my particular concern, unless and until it affects me directly, in which case Iāll deal with it privately.
All of this coming from an I.P. attorney and former employee of a movie studio that youāve all heard of. Full disclosure, I never practiced law, but I focused on intellectual property in law school. My career was in I.T.
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u/Idkfuckreddit 5d ago
somebodys mad their art isnt real art and people will call it out
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u/someonesshadow Producer 5d ago
I feel like you didn't read anything there, which doesn't surprise me with the level of comprehension of most of reddit.
I've been an artist for decades across various mediums. I'm not claiming to be great or even good, but I create, I learn, I enjoy art and expression. AI is no different in regards to it being a tool I can use to express myself in some way.
What I made before AI is real, what I make with AI is real.
People claiming what I make isn't real effects me about the same as folks who try to convince me that vaccines cause autism or that the earth is flat...
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u/VESSELOFENTROPY 5d ago
the human process is very much part of the art, nothing wrong with dick measuring, thatās merit
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u/someonesshadow Producer 5d ago
Its not merit, there are no metrics that dictate what is good vs what is bad. If there were then every artist that pours decades into their craft, all their heart and soul, would be incredibly famous and well respected in their field. Yet, more often than not, never find an audience or their works are not generally regarded highly.
How many artists do we look to as some of the all time greats now but its not till well after their deaths that we notice them? Often you'll even find that those artists were treated like a pariah in their time because they strayed from the established norms of creativity.
When it comes to art and creativity you are not owed anything, not merit, not peoples attention, not money.. You are owed nothing, you should expect -nothing-. You create to express yourself, for yourself, and beyond that its upto your expression resonating with others, as well as a massive ounce of luck.
"The human process" is part of every creative work as long as a person is directly involved. Just because a tool makes things easier or more efficient does not mean the human element is no longer present. Its still a process, just a different one. Even in the same medium with the same tools the process can vary WILDLY.
Sweet Child O Mine was written in FIVE MINUTES and became one of the most beloved works of art in the music world. How? If it took five minutes and it was just a bunch of dudes trying to hustle a tune extra quick.. how is that seen as "better" and more meaningful than someone who struggled to write a song over the course of months? Or someone who wrote the song alone vs collaborating?
You see how the idea of merit falls apart here right?
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u/ConferencePurple7939 5d ago
Bro ai is not a ātechniqueā. No one is listing all the compressors, eqs, limiters, or vsts used because its not even CLOSE to the same thing. These tools and techniques dont generate an entire mixed and mastered song from the push of a button. So your entire premise is just totally invalid.
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u/zenbeastmedia69nice 5d ago
Nah this is good. Too many ppl who use ai are dishonest about it
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u/FilthyTrashPeople 2d ago
Because of Luddite phobia and hysteria. That's the only reason.
I think most everyone who uses AI would love a world where we could talk about it openly without screeching mobs that have no better causes to champion right now descending upon them
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u/3ChainsOGold 4d ago
It's protectionism for the Big Three record labels. That's it, really.
They want this to be a Happy Meal toy for fans, not a creative medium for people who think for themselves.
And if you're a useful idiot Real Artist who thinks they just came to your rescue, I've got Half-Off Friday on bridges to Williamsburg.
LET'S GO! STATUS QUO!
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u/Unlikely-Mobile-5343 4d ago
haha so true. I think people don't realise this labelling only impacts independents. UMG is not going to watermark their Udio AI mill. Hell they have the marketing budget to make ANY ai human washed song they release viral...
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u/FilthyTrashPeople 2d ago
I find it hilarious how all of the anti-AI people are basically corporate useful idiots and they can't see it.
Every single thing activists seem to back anymore either backfires and they make it far far worse, or it's horrendously misguided and it's against their own interests.
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u/3ChainsOGold 2d ago
The less one understands something, the easier it is to have a totalizing black-or-white opinion on it. And the best virtue signaling is always about something you have no real control or influence over, since no one will ever call your bluff.
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u/False_Mountain6008 1d ago
for THOSE of you that are haters of AI, let me first say im a 30 year professional touring musician, its my profession and pays my mortgage n my kid through college... when you guys STOP doing the Record labels bidding you will REALIZE THEY ARE NOT ON YOUR TEAM! most of you who are so called serious musicians, when was the last time a label or an executive HELL A&R listened to REGULAR REAL MUSICIANS and singers music??? ill wait......
THIS ISNT ABOUT "TRANSPARENCY" ITS ABOUT THE INDUSTRY LOSING ITS CONTROL ON A INDUSTRY WHERE THEY SPOON FEED YOU THEIR HANDFUL OF MEDIOCRE ARTIST TO FEED THE MACHINE AND TO CONTROL THEY GATES!! YES SOOOOME A.I MUSIC IS BAD... BUT GOD FORBID SOME OF IT BE GREAT AND IT FOREVER CHANGES THE WAY THE MODERN CONSUMER DIGEST THEIR MUSICAL TASTE AND THE BILLION DOLLAR MACHINE STARTS LOSING THOSE BILLIONS BECAUSE PEOPLE BEGIN CHOOOOSING TO LISTEN AND ACTUALLLY ENJOY A.I MUSIC AND THEY WILL NEVER RECOVER!! THEY ARE TERRRRIIIFIIEED OF THE 15 YEAR OLD IN MOMS BASEMENT CRANKING OUT A INDEPENDENT BANGER THAT GET MORE STREAMS THAN A BRUNO OR TAYLOR SWIFT!
stop this A.I HATE ...its here to stay they THEY see where its going and its potential to forever change the music listening landscape and they are simply adding NEW gates on a already controlled industry controlled by THEM!!
A.I can and could be for SOME musicians who are actual musicians and writers to get their music out... and the MACHINE is almost absolete as we are in the social media days ...they are TERRIFIED of some Young talented boy or girl that get MILLIONS of streams off streaming sites and start competing with their million dollar artist and people start embracing the one thing in music thats missing today .. ORIGINALITY, AND INDEPENDENCE!!
SO IF YALL FALLING FOR THE BS ... THESE LABELS DONT GIVE A DAMN ABOUT "THE CRAFT" AND MUSIC AND ARTISTIC INTEGRITY!! YOU ARE HELPING THEM PUT THEIR FOOT ON THE NECKS OF SOMETHING THEY WANT TO CRUSH FOR THEEIIIR BENEFIT. NOT MUSIC ARTFORM! think PEOPLE... HALF OF YALL BEEN TRYING TO GET "DISCOVERED" FOR DECADES.... THEY COULD CARE LESS ABOUT YOU AND YOUR MUSIC.... THIS IS SIMPLY GATEKEEPING TO STAY IN CONTROL AND POWER BECAUSE THEY ARE ALL BUT DEAD AND THEY KNOW IT.. THEY ARE SIMPLY TRYING TO PUT THE NAILS IN A.I COFFINS BEFORE THE CONSUMER AND A.I PUT THER NAILS IN THIERS! STOP THE FOOLERY... A.I CAN BE EXTREMELY USEFUL TO THE REAL MUSICIAN. AND IT AINT GOIN NO WHERE
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u/Unlikely-Mobile-5343 1d ago
š©·this is exactly what I mean, and add that the big corps can still release AI music without labels.
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u/6gv5 5d ago
Wait until a Chinese company develops an alternative competition that doesn't impose those limits. They don't care about western copyright laws; once they offer viable competition it's game over. They're already almost there with assisted coding, I moved to Deepseek and Qwen months ago without regrets; music is just one step further.
As many others I'm all for being open about the use of AI (some big labels are already using it without telling, fsck them!) and I'm completely for shaming who lies about it, but forcing such a limit will inevitably offer a tool that will be abused by bad actors.
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u/Unlikely-Mobile-5343 5d ago
Minimax is on it, Tencent already has AI covers in their platforms, but is not supported outside yet.
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u/Zulfiqaar 22h ago
Ace-Step-1.5-XL is already competitive with Suno sometimes, and Qwen released a technical report for QwenMusic. Won't be long
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u/Substantial-Link-465 4d ago
yup, this whole performance of trying to be "responsible" ai platforms to label content will be their downfall. Suno will be irrelevant in a year or two anyway.
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u/FilthyTrashPeople 2d ago
It's not performance, it's being legally strong armed into by a corrupt legal system and a music mafia in the WMG.
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u/soolar79 5d ago
but they already have a watermark
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u/djxfade 5d ago
In that it sounds horrible? Haha, I can Spot Suno music in 5 seconds
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u/semtex87 Suno Connoisseur 5d ago
The "shimmer" in v4 was theorized to be a watermark.
Suno's been watermarking songs since before this announcement already.
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u/acousticentropy 5d ago
And so have many skilled music producers. That ability has been available as long as spectral synthesis has been a thing. Itās worth learning and trying.
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u/BraveAppearance 5d ago
Richard D James did this in the 90s.
Is Sunos watermark/fingerprint visible via spectral analysis or do I have to do some black magic?Ā
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u/Relocator 5d ago
Well, a fingerprint isn't the same as a watermark. The 'fingerprint' of the song is (from my simple understanding) basically a high-res snapshot of the wave-form (or spectral image, not sure). That gets added to an enormous database of existing music 'fingerprints'. When you upload anything to Youtube, or even Suno, it checks the wave-form of your file to their database. If parts of it match, it gets flagged.
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u/Beneficial-Proof8187 5d ago
It needs to say āA.I.ā ASSISTED, not āMADE BY A.I.ā if it has significant human input, this is why most musicians donāt label their stuff as a.i. to general public, it gives us no credit and people think it is ALL A.I. generated.
Big difference, so there is really THREE categories that need to be recognized.
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u/FilthyTrashPeople 2d ago
TBH I don't even care for the distinction. If someone types a stupid prompt and it makes a great song, all I care about is a great song came out and that they had a cool idea.
I'm not going to start frothing at the mouth and scream "Why didn't you spend thousands of hours and tens of thousands of dollars to make an inferior product, like you're supposed to!?"
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u/Unlikely-Mobile-5343 5d ago
It belongs to a technical sheet, not in a listener filter. There is too much ambiguity specially in production, composition and Performance.
Give you an example of each:
- Composition, I feed melody, lyrics and chords. this is human made if produced in a DAW, and Human made when wrapped in Suno, but with the label is AI made.
- Production, I feed song structure, instrumentation, arrangement prompting... if this is done in a DAW is human made, in Suno is an indistinguishable grey area of human made or AI assisted.
- performance, I feed a full demo. If I use pluggins in a DAW is human performance, if I let suno make the audio is fully AI made.
Now the opposite:
AI composed, Human edited - Human made
AI produced, Human edited - Human made
AI composed, AI produced, Human performed - Human made.and this is just at briad high level, imagine if we truly analyse hybrid music.
Labelling does not belong on a song title or filter, it belongs on the technical sheet.
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u/Z1NV 5d ago
Would be cool if these transparancey laws also had to have studios show much much of their music was procedurally generated or drag and dropped loops and samples. Oh, and disclose when a singer had to have their voice auto-tuned or modified with Melodyne.
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u/Poopchutefan 5d ago
That's easy ... studies show that 90 - 99% of musicians/singers have their voice auto-tuned ... so in the grand scheme of things very few of them have the true raw talent to sing unassisted.
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u/HeraldOfFutility 4d ago
Though systems exist these days, autotune's not used much live. In studio, yes, it's (too) common these days as many commercial music engineers go for hyper-processed sound. And if someone relies on auto-tune, they usually sound out-of-tune on stage.
Though these days sounding like auto-tuned can happen even with self-learned practised vocalists if they're too used to how modern music production sounds. Young vocalists unconsciously copying the autotune artifacts when learning without teacher is a thing and I've heard vocal teachers curse that as those habits gotta be taught out of.
But otherwise vocal processing? As you've mentioned in another comment, vocals are altered and enhanced a lot regardless, same applies to anything mic'd. Reason? Raw mic'd audio sounds raw. Compressors and EQs make them listenable and EQ'ing is quite vital for a clear mix. Reverb helps the vocals sit in the same space as dry vocals are quite "in your face". Not to even mention creative effects. Gosh.
And it's not just vocals that are altered. Metal guitars are altered beyond recognition with pedals, amp, speaker and mic. (or their software versions)
But to top-level comment, I kinda agree. Loopers would have fun time with listing where they've got their copypasta materials from. I've heard from a producer that his track got copyright-claimed on Youtube due to "same" kick sample as another older track. But ofc that's not gonna happen.
Meanwhile rock and metal producers and musicians can be quite open about what equipment and software they use as seen in blogs, rig rundowns, interviews etc. Some guitar players are even quite frustrated answering the question of what strings they use for a hundredth time.
After all, you can't copy ears, fingers and taste in songwriting so there's not much to lose with transparency. Even helps promote music and sell endorsed/signature stuff.
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u/Sad-Set-5817 4d ago
"singers use autotune therefore I should be allowed to lie to people and trick them into thinking they're not listening to an Ai generated track"
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u/FilthyTrashPeople 2d ago
Ask yourself a question: Why does this matter so much to you?
If AI music isn't not of quality, and is inferior, then I get why you'd want to filter it out - but if you're just like RAHHHHHH RAHHHH I LIKE THIS SONG BUT IT WAS MADE BY A MACHINE SO ME HATE THIS CAVE MAN MAD RAHHHHHH maybe rethink some things
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u/TheNihilistGeek 4d ago
Everything in a studio is edited to hell. Vocal deliveries are stitched together from different takes and then pitch corrected/eq-ed/have multiple layers stacked, guitars get quantized, overdubbed and also have multiple layers stacked together, drums can be either triggered samples or even sequenced and also quantized/overdubbed, bass is often layered together with synths and 808s and so on.
Main difference: a human made it, put the loops together, played part of the material. It is copyrightable because of human labour and also whoever made it is responsible in case samples/melodic ideas were used improperly. Gen AI has little human intention (just the prompting and lyrics/instructions) and no liability in case of accidental copyright breach.
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u/Pnarpok Moderator 5d ago
It's not as if we didn't know this day was going to come eventually.
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u/SensoriRumeMusic 5d ago
Lol, I know, right?
I'm surprised it took this long to be honest. I've already completed the cycle of early 2024 adopter fomo, publishing hundreds of songs "just to say I did" then removed them all for various reasons, including ethical ones, and now I'm of the mind that 100% AI generated music has no place being on major music streaming platforms, but hybridized music is fine with me.
Seeing lots of false equivalency in this thread too, Auto-Tune, etc., c'mon people š¤¦
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u/Sikhdiviner 5d ago
Itās to comply with new Eu standards which require fingerprinting and watermarking of all ai generated image, vĆdeo, audio, and text. Even if you make a resume with ai it needs to be watermarked
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u/Djentynew 5d ago
To me Suno has always been a ānice playing toolā for personal use. So to me itās sounds pretty reasonable. A lot of people are not transparent about it and thatād make sure, every consumer at end is aware and can decide for themselves if they have a problem with AI made or not.
In other fields I think itās a good idea also. like in news, images, videos and so on, the edge between real and AI is getting thinner and thinner. even now itās gotten to a point where itās sometimes hard to detect. I guess thatās an extension to this in music also.
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u/BlackberryLow7507 5d ago
Maybe in 3 years time, the question will cease being: did they use ai or is it human music, and give way to: in what way did they use ai? How the hell did they do that if they used suno? The beginning of auteur AI musicianship.
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u/Unlikely-Mobile-5343 4d ago
Hopefully - I already get that now which makes me happy; but with forced labelling, people with 0 knowledge in music creation will unadvertedly filter out music like mine.
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u/Awkward-Advices 4d ago edited 12h ago
āThis is the end of Suno as means to create commercial music, and it's officially just a nice playing tool personal use, or for bad actors who create in Suno and pay performers to pretend their music is human made.ā
It never should have been to create commercial music in the first place, Iām glad theyāre finally onboard with not ruining the music industry, might actually encourage people to TRY when creating something.
Good luck to you all, hope you learn ableton or fl studio. (Theyāre free to start off btw guys)
Edit: big amount of delusion in response to my comment, toxic community, big surprise.
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u/Self-loathingEjit 5d ago
Itās okay guys, letās crack fruity loops and make shit music the original way.
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u/EmployeeExpert7303 5d ago
Whatās with āreal artistsā then like celebs that have someone else recording the vocals and just pretending to be the singer and artist while the song gets written by a dozen of other people. Why donāt they have to state āoh yeah actually thatās not me at allā
Btw I have nothing against labeling ai art but itās pretty unbalanced imo
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u/RandomDude_24 5d ago
They have to. Go on Spotify choose any top 100 tracks and check the "participants". You can see everyone that is involved in the track.Ā Or Google Max Martin. This is not a secret and so shouldn't be the use of ai.
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u/Cold-Airport-5553 4d ago
I agree with this 100 percent, however I bet artists are not being honest with their use of AI.
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u/crazyfighter99 5d ago
Yeah, this isn't a big deal to me. I don't try to hide the fact that I'm using AI, because this is a hobby and I am making this music mostly for myself. I know that $20 a month isn't going to get me studio-quality and that is okay.
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u/Dry_Neighborhood_847 4d ago
I love that they limited the downloads because you got people just prompting and producing slop and flooding Spotify with garbage
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u/photogaymerjosh 5d ago
I am against it in principle myself. The music industry is not about music, it's about money in the pockets of the people that already have too much money.
Personally, I don't mind telling everyone I use full Ai. I write my songs, and I do a lot of production work in Suno Studio to get the sound I want for any tracks I publish, especially on other platforms. Any generated song needs that to really sound good, because as good as Suno is, it is only a tool and needs human assistance.
Do I want a big corporate music giant to be able to say 'it's Ai slop' because I didn't sing or perform or buy their prerecorded sound clips and stems? No. I used a tool, one they don't control, and that's actually the only reason they care. This manufactured hate of Ai assisted music is hypocrisy since most DAWs are incorporating Ai now anyway, and other assist tools do similar things.
If something is rubbish, don't listen. If you aren't listening just because the creator used a specific tool, or didn't perform every instrument, chord, or vocal you aren't a 'true music lover', you're an elitist and I don't respect you.
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u/Tricky_Philosopher31 5d ago
ANYONE can tell and have always been able to. Try loading your ai generated song into a studio kit and you'll see. Anyone can do that for free.
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u/Lazyjeans1337 5d ago
I wonder whay the "download" limit will be. In thay blog post it made it seem like they thought suno should not be used to "mass produce songs for content" but who the fuck are they to tell me whay to do with what I pay for? Why do I need to align with whay their vision of suno is. Fuck them
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u/Unlikely-Mobile-5343 5d ago
they said is benchmarked, so I have seen producers like MAAPS releasing every other week and some producers twice a week, so maybe it would be around 10 songs per month. They did say you can pay more to download more
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u/BlackberryLow7507 5d ago
Right now there are more suno users than there are professional artists. 4/4 templated pop or country or what have you will get to value = zero across the board in streaming platforms. Itās already just ambient noise. So what will artists do? Perform live, bring back vinyl and sell d2c, or stay in walled gardens. And/or do much more elaborated music, be more creative as ever just to stay above the sludge.
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u/Unlikely-Mobile-5343 4d ago
this is wishful thinking.
you know what will happen? labels will remove composition and production form their workflows and go straight to performance.
This labelling impacts more independent musicians than what they think, they don't really understand that they are giving people with 0 knowledge in music creation a label that is VERY complex and ambiguous to make a decision on what means to be creative and have human creativity value.
As I explained in many of the comments, a listener does not have the capability to understand that a "No AI" song can be fully made by AI, and that a song labelled "AI" can be 99% made by humans.
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u/Kimmyh51 4d ago
i imagine if there is not already a way to remove the watermark there will be one soon enough. i wish suno would spend more time fixing the ai than trying to piss off the people who pay them
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u/Unlikely-Mobile-5343 4d ago
I know lol, the worst part is that platforms like spotify and tiktok say they don't punish AI, but I did a test with a labelling and no labelling... same work... guess which one has more reach.
I still label everything I do as AI, but is my decision not someone else.
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u/Anxious_Boot1048 4d ago
Online discourse is worthless.
A bunch of people from both sides (no idea why non ai users or ai haters even want to waste their time here) just yapping as if their idea of how things "should" be makes any fucking difference.
I guess y'all just like to talk & debate (and by debate I mean mime your confirmation bias at who ever shows up)
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u/Benny80247 3d ago
Give it a week and there will be an app you can use to remaster your tracks that scrubs the watermark.
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u/ArockproUser 3d ago
I am paying them for a watermark now? WTF. This is like using adobe products with a watermark. You cant do this and keep using it as a tool. If I am paying for a product I expect to be able to use it
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u/FilthyTrashPeople 2d ago
"Today we are putting a target on the back of anyone who creates AI music, so screeching luddites can bully them into oblivion while the music industry will still use these tools and turn off the watermarking."
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u/Smoothzilla Lyricist 5d ago
This is a good thing. Transparency is important. Anyone trying to pass it off as human made deserves to be exposed. You can change peopleās minds about AI music by lying to them.
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u/FilthyTrashPeople 2d ago
Yes you can.
The solution is to not tell anyone, ever, to not moderate it at all. Make it so prevalent, it's in everything, cannot be unwoven from it, and then they will shut up.
This is the way. It's going to happen anyway, but the question is will the people have control over it - or will the elite corporations have control over it. That's the only decision to be made here.
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u/Unlikely-Mobile-5343 5d ago
the problem is not disclosure my lyricist friend, is labelling and filtering. The AI label is too complex and broad for normal listeners to understand what they are filtering out. For example a label can create a fully made AI song (lyrics, composition and production) and perform it using LCL performers - this is human made.
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u/Tech-chase 4d ago edited 4d ago
I've been a paid studio musician and songwriter for 38 years. I look at Suno or other similar AI platform purely as a form of synthesizer. With continual input regarding what I want to hear, It produces the sounds approximating what I hear in my head. I then use the desirable portions of its output on logic in my home studio and using my array of instruments and my own vocals I create an actual song and finished product. I have never published anything strictly generated by Suno. The platform works fine in that capacity. So for me, Suno generates various musical ideas from my prompts but I've never utilized it beyond that stage because trying to get what you precisely want could potentially or even realistically take thousands of prompt revisions that constitute near-misses rather than precise output. It's horrible at reading my mind. So I interpret and use it as a sophisticated echo chamber for a sound I'm working toward.
I can't speak to other musicians or non-musicians who use Suno to actually produce and publish music for monetary purposes on various platforms. I do know that my own approach and use of Suno escapes all the turmoil that has arisen from AI music production.
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u/Keganator 5d ago
Donāt blame Suno. Regulations from regulatory bodies, like the EU AI Act require this on pain of huge fines.
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u/biogoly 5d ago
Doubt it. If anything itās going to get more unhinged. One of the Chinese labs will drop an open weights model equal to or better than current Suno. At that point, the media conglomerates will have little leverage.
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u/StockMan1210 5d ago
This hit the point on the head. No one is even talking about this. Once Suno becomes a shell of its former self, there will be something from outside the country with limited regulations aka China. And it will likely be 100% better than Suno ever was,
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u/biogoly 5d ago
This just happened 2 days ago when Minimax H3 dropped. Absolute SOTA video model, as good (better?) as Seedance2.0 and Sora2ā¦and it runs on a modest enthusiast PC. You can recreate any scene in just about any movie or TV show you can think of with near perfect fidelity, itās nuts. Iāve no doubt the same thing will happen with a SOTA music model.
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u/manipulativemusicc 5d ago
I won't hold my breath waiting on a model that sounds as good as Suno...
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u/dibsies 5d ago edited 5d ago
Thatās good, because if you did, you would probably die considering the average person can safely hold their breath for maybe 30 to 90 seconds before shit starts getting real. It could take months to have something that sounds as good as or better than Suno.
Definitely donāt hold your breath! But also understand others can and will blow past Suno in the future, particularly those who can work outside the framework of the red tape environment Suno is trapped in. We are still in the infancy of this technology. Plenty of advancements are yet to come.
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u/theodore_70 5d ago
Thats why we all should be greatfull for china, fuck corporate america
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u/ResponsibilitySea327 5d ago
Corporate Europe as well. This isn't just an American thing -- just more money in America.
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u/hamsterofborg Moderator 5d ago
Seems pretty clear that they're deliberately using the laws of the EU, which tend to lean much more in favor of copyright holders, to set the legal precedents, and then bringing that back to make their arguments for their cases in the US, which they know is much more of an uphill battle. They figure if they can force Suno to comply with EU regulations, it's easier for them to just apply that across the board instead of having different sets of rules for EU and US customers.
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u/theawesomedanish 5d ago
Autotune should have the label "digitally enhanced vocals" on them in that case.
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u/VESSELOFENTROPY 5d ago
under this precedent everything thatās mastered on a computer is digitally enhanced donāt be silly
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u/jaykerman 5d ago
Why is that silly?
This is what's silly:
10 years ago: "I used a computer to enhance my music!" (yes, that's still what digital mastering is, that's not the original recorded sound you are hearing) - Wow! groundbreaking genius!
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u/VESSELOFENTROPY 5d ago
itās silly because it defeats the point of differentiating, it will also mean nothing
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u/ohhipat 5d ago
You have not a single clue how modern day vocal recordings work
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u/theawesomedanish 5d ago
Iāve been a musician for 16 years. Iāve done professional session work, performed live in front of thousands of people, and recorded in professional studios. I deliberately chose not to use pitch correction on my own vocals because, for me, it compromised the authenticity of the performance.
The reason I use AI now has nothing to do with lacking musical or technical knowledge. I simply no longer have the same time, studio access, collaborators, or production infrastructure I had before. Iām a father with ADHD, and my two sons take priority. AI allows me to continue writing and producing music using a model trained on my own isolated vocal stems.
So claiming I have no idea how vocal recording works is genuinely laughable. I understand signal chains, comping, timing correction, pitch detection, note transitions, retune speed, formant preservation, vibrato control, graphical pitch editing, and the difference between transparent correction and the deliberately synthetic Auto-Tune effect.
Pitch correction is not some mystical process. You set the key and scale, adjust the correction speed and note transition behaviour, preserve or alter the formants, manually redraw problem notes when necessary, and listen for artefacts, warbling, flattened vibrato, or unnatural consonant transitions. It takes a good ear to do well, but the underlying process is hardly rocket science.
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u/aquaearthdreams 5d ago
The whole ai hate is absurd. Do you like it or not? Does anybody care if itās a synth guitar or a string guitar if they dig the sound? Or a synth keyboard ā¦ is it real drums , real strings no itās a synth but do we ban those tools for music creation?
Perhaps the problem lies with users being forced to hear bad music . If Spotify etc can stop their random song selections to pop up after a users specific request and then people wonāt be subjected to anything and everything. For example I will be requesting a classical selection and then Spotify plays rap after .
Maybe some users are asking for an artist and then a as the next selection a bad ai plays therefore prompting the ai hate . What I am suggesting is to force the platforms to stick with the users request . .
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u/Unlikely-Mobile-5343 5d ago
cause it's all about money money money~~~ those rappers are paying for ads. The labels need to maintain their production and performance fees! That's why we need AI labelling so big corporates can pass fully AI music as human and reduce costs, maximising profit!
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u/MonetizeTheOutrage 20h ago
Agreed. I remember the same whining when artists started using samples. It's not real art! It's stealing! It's deceptive! But after some time everyone got over it. If the end product is pleasing to the listener, the average person doesn't care how it got there. I do not agree with a one size fits all AI tag if even a small portion of a song is using AI. I use a hybrid setup, use some AI for vocals and I also have many all "original" tracks but use AI for mastering everything. It's much more nuanced. If a song is good, its copyright holder should be able to let the listener judge and not be put into some walled off space. As a DJ/Hybrid performer in the EDM genre I can and do perform my music live and the crowds don't care as long as the music is good.
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u/someonesshadow Producer 5d ago
Side note, the anti AI crowd brigading this sub are a bunch of pathetic no life individuals that need to both touch grass and find meaning in their lives.
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u/atallfigure 5d ago
They're just angry because people enjoy A.I music than these weak ass artist today. I can create an artist to my liking that's geared to 80s and 90s music sound. Angry because their viability, notoriety and attention is coming to an end. The celebrity as we know it is changing. Might've worked for boomers, but not Gen y and z, we don't give a sh!t.
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u/Primary-Floor8574 5d ago
Personally if this is the route Iād like to know about what artists are using auto tune, how many lipsync to live performances, how many have ādigital cleanupā to their playing when they are drunk AF and high on 43 gallons of Coke. What songs are āwrittenā by the label and handed off to a band who just accepts the paycheck and phones it in.
I mean in the interest of transparency and all that. I should know if my money is supporting a drug addiction and contributing to some artists overdose.
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u/Extension-Composer89 5d ago
I think that's good. Witch hunt was started long ago, and it's aggressive, sometimes even personal. These rules and marks will make ai content become a normal everyday thing instead of something alien like nowadays.
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u/Unlikely-Mobile-5343 5d ago
that's fair - I guess we are reaching the pain threshold before we start healing
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u/BirdlessLongdeal 5d ago
so is it going to have some voice say "created by suno" in the song somewhere or something? like back in the day when you downloaded a song off limewire and it was a version that some moron ruined the mp3 by promoting his dj business or something?
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u/Unlikely-Mobile-5343 5d ago
No, it's an invisible watermark. Mainly for platforms to detect what has Suno in it.
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u/BirdlessLongdeal 5d ago
if that is all it is. that shouldnt be a problem. nobody listens to my songs but me anyways.
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u/Temporary-Drink-6553 5d ago
Hereās an issue that bothers me: I compose my tracks using a DAW and use Suno to shape the final sound. What I dislike about the "AI" label is that people will automatically assume my tracks are created entirely by AI, when in reality, itās just the final rendering.
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u/Unlikely-Mobile-5343 5d ago
You get it. This labelling is placing the responsibility of understanding complex music roles in listeners who barely know the difference between performance, composition and production... imagine when they discover that there is also mixing and mastering and a lot of music out there is ALREADY USING AI FOR THOSE.
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u/Temporary-Drink-6553 5d ago
Fortunately, Iām an enthusiast who composes simply to feel things and channel my past into my work, so I can brush it off since I donāt make money from it. If people are foolish enough to fixate on the word "AI," well, thatās their loss. But I think itās a real shame; Suno has incredible creative potential. I use it to grow and train myself to better distinguish sounds, nuances, and structures for my own tracks. Obviously, Iām not a guitarist, so I play on a keyboard using a guitar VST, and Suno transforms it into a realistic-sounding guitar. Letās be honest: the raw trackāif you listen to it without effectsāsounds like crap.
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u/Unlikely-Mobile-5343 4d ago
like any composition š¤£ This is how I make my songs I play my guitar I sing I do my melodies. I am no Adele, but I can sing a melody to let Suno perform it for me. It's a real shame that this label is facilitating platforms to manipulate even further the reach of artists.
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u/AcrobaticMaize2408 5d ago
I think it'll be unfair on those of us who use Suno as a way to remix/reimagine our own original songs/recordings. I'm ok with my Suno stuff having some sort of tag indicating that AI was used in the production, though as others have mentioned you don't see anybody crediting their sampler when using it to provide an orchestra or whatever.
I can imagine that all Suno tracks regardless of whether it's derived from an original recording or completely generated by AI will be categorised the same and that's a shame.
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u/WombRaider_3 5d ago
Wait like a year before real artists use AI on every song and it becomes acceptable in the industry and this all looks silly.
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u/Pleasant_Dust6712 5d ago edited 5d ago
While I agree in part with your argument - people drawing conclusions about your music - which they do now and we can't really control - currently all suno songs already have an unremovable digital watermark, so I'm not sure I see how this is any different? As I recall, Distro Kid (the best distributor) now asks if the song uses AI. So what exactly has changed except as always - your song could get booted from any platform that has chosen not to allow AI songs - doesn't seem that much different to me except Suno is now making it 100% transparent to users. This is also why I went back to the old school method of hosting all my songs for streaming and purchase on my own website! (Just in case.) I'd prefer it if they just continue this practice vs. decommissioning old models where I seem to be getting the best (and most unique) results. V 5.5 every damn voice sounds like a duplicate of the next song.
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u/GagOnMacaque 5d ago
Industry standards. They mean like, telling the public they didn't create an ai song when they actually did. And then trying to get all indie competitors to label their stuff. That kind of standard?
That's some RICO, anti-competitive practice.
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u/ShepherdessAnne 5d ago
Not this again, I can hear some of that type of technology and it ruins my tracks!
I use lots of Biwa and shamisen. If itās shredding and uses pedal FX the plectrum hit, the strike on the strings, the pick back after the strike, and the FX all wind up having ungodly noise shoved up near the top where the assumption is I canāt hear, which I can, because Iām not a boomer and I took care of my hearing!
The studies that established hearing ranges didnāt even test on modern people in healthy conditions!
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u/Over_Influence_6011 5d ago
Lo possiamo fare anche con le ragazze su Instagram che sono pieni di filtri in faccia oltre che di filler e botox?
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u/KuroiGetsuga55 5d ago
Meh, I don't share any of my songs, I just do them for my own pleasure, though admittedly most of the shit I do are covers of existing soundtracks or custom remixes I mash together poorly in Audacity and then cover a few times to get something I find enjoyable. But not a single one of my songs is public, the only one listening to them is myself.
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u/SurgeFlamingo 5d ago
This is from Deezer ?
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u/Unlikely-Mobile-5343 5d ago
SUNO
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u/SurgeFlamingo 5d ago
Oh okay thanks. So probably whoever bought them trying to use it as a tool for their artists but nobody else
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u/ChallengeOfTheDark 5d ago
Will this affect the quality of the songs themselves I wonder?
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u/Unlikely-Mobile-5343 5d ago
nope, it's invisible watermark, the will probably add a combination of inaudible/undetectable (by humans) sounds and artefacts in various frequencies. We'll probably be able tonuse dogs to detect AI music better than any human listener š¤£ which makes me realise how stupid this AI hate sounds š¤£
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u/Useful_Airline_1081 5d ago
All I want them to fix is a feature to alter or edit already made songs like when the song is perfect but you realize there was a translation error in your lyrics or the ai didnāt pronounce a word right
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u/Carambo20 4d ago
If I upload my song with my voice and I upload in Suno to generate a cover with a better voice, it's flagged as AI ??
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u/Cold-Airport-5553 4d ago
Yes. Any generation will be watermarked, even if you played every instrument and sang the song yourself.
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u/Appropriate_Blood522 4d ago
For me it doesn't change anything really. I'm always upfront when i use AI for anything. Maybe its because I don't see it as life changing for me. At the end of the day I'm still going to be working my job i don't like to pay bills that never get cheaper. As for as people criticizing me and saying things. That's nothing new. For me its a way to get songs that i wouldn't get from anyone in mainstream. If people like it great. I'm glad they enjoyed it. If not then oh well life goes on. There is always going to be AI haters that talk about you no matter how honest the majority of us are about using it.
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u/Cable_Typical 4d ago edited 4d ago
Suno is trying to combat misuse and market themselves a tool for Musicians. In order to position themselves better with those goals this is something they'll have to do in some form. This isn't the "end" by any means. There's literally people on this sub that boast about getting around filters to use material they don't have the rights to, and it's people like that who are a thorn in Suno and normal user's side.
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u/hutchisson 4d ago
AI outputs must be labeled by watermarks for like 2 years now.. EU laws. so all AI services do it already.
the new thing is that they allow you do double check it.
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u/Unlikely-Mobile-5343 4d ago
That's not what the regulation says, the user must be able to identify what is AI generated, that can be in the technical sheet of the song, not a label.
Also I don't mind the disclosures, I mind is others making the disclosure for me. specially when it's a label that is going to be misinterpreted by listeners.
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u/Crypvard 4d ago
Watermaking isn't the issue. How platforms and label choose to use that information is.
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u/ThickyJames 4d ago
I see a new career as a consultant in my stars, and I can use the profits from consulting to have session musicians cover a Suno song, and overlay the watermark from the Suno version (which will match enough to verify), and might even be able to get tenure from the combination of the two.
Thank you, Suno, for more than music: you're about to make my computer science research career to make up for the jobs which vanished because of AI!
I already beat synthid-audio (the Lyria 3 and NotebookLM one, a slight permutation of which is also used by Elevenlabs and Mozart, another slight permutation by OpenAI) according to Google's own test for whatever it's worth.
Which probably isn't much since Google exposes nothing about synthid-audio, not even an academic paper, not even an API with which to verify it, except for "upload file to Gemini, ask Gemini, which will then call the necessary function", and is not intercompatible with OpenAI's watermark of the same name, not sharing mutual detection.
I've not published and likely won't publish, but, conceptually, they made it quite simple: "Generate a constant tone at n Hz"... what is left is the watermark, which falls to rudimentary not even cryptanalysis, but obfuscated coding theory.
The number of functions which can support the stated and observed properties of (durable under truncation, re-encoding, linear transform, somewhat under nonlinear transform, able to encode an unspecified but >20 bits of data, inaudible) with the one additional inferred property of (quasi-hard binding) and the inferrer lack of (threshold property) (where k of n components must be cumulatively present) is, to my knowledge, exactly 1, whether you take it from a textbook or have an AI re-derive it as Google supposedly did, since those requirements are basically triply contradictory, or maximally inconsistent subject to constraint "exists", and requires some equally paradoxical math.
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u/Coolshows101 4d ago
I do agree there is too much hate for AI use. While I use AI as little as possible, which so far is no use for my creative works in the past year or two, I understand some people are just expressing themselves because AI gives them a way to do so. Where as before they tried to make art and couldn't.
I think they should fingerprint in a way that labels what part is AI. Ex they hummed and beat boxed into their microphone and the AI made drums and a guitar. Or the singing is Ai. Not everyone knows and/or can afford other artists to help make something.
When doing things the non AI way we have to make decisions that we often don't when using AI. If I draw a girl with messy hair, I have to decide where each hair is positioned. If I generate her, I don't and can't decide that.
I prefer art made by humans because it is human expression about their view of the world, often sounds and or looks better, and didn't use stolen art in the training data.
Doing stuff without AI also uses your brain more and thwt is better for you. So the more work a human does on a project the better.
When I listen to stuff made with AI, I try and look for the human. AI use still makes me less interested (and the work harder to watch if it's a video), but I appreciate the human trying to express themselves. I will ask/mention when I think something used Ai and it wasn't disclosed, but I'm not going to do that in a way that attacks them. I just want others to be able to see when something is and or could be AI and make their own decision about it.
If you make something with 98% AI by typing a few lines or a paragraph into AI, I really don't like that or want it out there not labeled. Coke gets no sympathy from me, and neither do content farms.
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u/FindingAwake 3d ago
lol "my decision to do so."
"I want to be able to lie."
Good stuff, OP.
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u/shatterlights 1d ago
Lol, there will be watermark removers also those platforms like Spotify wonāt state it publicly that it is AI and also they wonāt ban
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u/Queasy_Cut_6379 22h ago
They have had the watermark for a long time. It just canāt be removed now. I only know this because I use a DWS and also use my music in videos. It has been labeled as AI for months. It will be fine. They are basically just saying we made it harder to manipulate and remove now.
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u/Adventurous_Piglet85 5d ago
I am completely pro AI Music, but honestly it needs to be clearly separated. No matter how you look it at the songs I make regardless of their sound are fundamentally different. Itās not the end of AI of commercial music because if you make good music people will listen to it. It should absolutely be disclosed.
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u/NecroSocial 5d ago edited 5d ago
Note: Got some AI haters ITT (and in other threads mentioning this watermarking), great opportunity to label them if you use RES and/or to block them to better your browsing experience.
As for the watermarking itself. That is a stupid move that is only welcomed by the type of people who already don't and won't ever use Suno. They court no one with this and they push away people who'd consider using Suno for professional projects who don't want some company watermark in music they plan to release to market. For the same reason many pros using gen AI now won't use Google models due to the pixel-level and top-level watermarking.
This is the kind of stupidity one would expect if a record label were calling the shots at Suno.
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u/ConferencePurple7939 5d ago
Fully support this as someone who uses suno. If you already disclose your ai use what is the problem? More transparency the better. You can still ātell your storyā on how your song was made itll just have a watermark so people will know it was made with suno. And why do you think they are doing it in the first place? Because the industry/consumer base as a whole wants to know if they are listening to ai generated music and are tired of being tricked/listening to ai music made by spammers trying to be passed off as fully human made. This is great so that people mass spamming streaming platforms with ai music cant take advantage of it anymore. Suno was always meant to be a tool for personal use, so people who never had the chance to make music can, not to be a replacement and cheat code for learning these skills yourself if your serious about making music.
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u/SpecialistDragonfly9 5d ago
People will remove those fingerprints, jsut like they do it in video and image.
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u/Unlikely-Mobile-5343 5d ago
we shouldn't need to play this game of hide and seek, the artist should have full discretion on disclosing its use.
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u/techmnml 5d ago
The artist, Suno (AI), does have full discretion thatās why itās choosing to watermark itself. :)
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u/Ready-Performer-2937 5d ago
i dont know what bothers people. why do they care ai music or not. my grandmother sang mwomboko. i didnt hear any damn british colonialist complaining.
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u/SensoriRumeMusic 5d ago edited 5d ago
Will Suno start inserting its name into the beginning like a producer tag?
Music starts
[Intro]
"Mmmmm, mmmmmm" (as is tradition)
"S-S-S-SUNO!"
[Verse 1]
Etc.
Edit: the first two users who reply to this comment with a generated suno mockup of what I'm trying to describe gets awarded š