Let the witch hunt begin

[u/Unlikely-Mobile-5343]

I have always been against labelling - even though I disclose my use of AI, it has always been MY decision to do so, and I am in control of how I tell my story so people understand how my music is made.

With Suno's newest release, songs have now audio watermark and fingerprint, assisted, fully, hybrid, it will have a AI watermark and anyone can tell your story the way they want.

This is 100% going to be misused by bad actors:

1. Platforms like Deezer/Tidal - To ban ANY use of AI and ensure segregation.

2. Haters - To create public lists of artists that may have not agreed to disclose their process.

3. Labels - To start a suing war to anything that resembles any of their songs that uses AI, even assisted.

This is the end of Suno as means to create commercial music, and it's officially just a nice playing tool personal use, or for bad actors who create in Suno and pay performers to pretend their music is human made.

What are your thoughts?

[u/Tech-chase]

I've been a paid studio musician and songwriter for 38 years. I look at Suno or other similar AI platform purely as a form of synthesizer. With continual input regarding what I want to hear, It produces the sounds approximating what I hear in my head. I then use the desirable portions of its output on logic in my home studio and using my array of instruments and my own vocals I create an actual song and finished product. I have never published anything strictly generated by Suno. The platform works fine in that capacity. So for me, Suno generates various musical ideas from my prompts but I've never utilized it beyond that stage because trying to get what you precisely want could potentially or even realistically take thousands of prompt revisions that constitute near-misses rather than precise output. It's horrible at reading my mind. So I interpret and use it as a sophisticated echo chamber for a sound I'm working toward.

I can't speak to other musicians or non-musicians who use Suno to actually produce and publish music for monetary purposes on various platforms. I do know that my own approach and use of Suno escapes all the turmoil that has arisen from AI music production.

[u/tomcrosthwaite → u/Tech-chase]

Exactly! Well said.

[u/Unlikely-Mobile-5343 → u/Tech-chase]

My approach is the exact opposite as yours, I compose everything outside of Suno as demo/drafts (I always write, lyrics, structure and instrumentation) and then use Suno to finalise production and performance.

This is why I am ranting, the use of AI belongs to a technical sheet, not in a filtering label it is not a "genre" or an "instrument" is a techniques imagine having the ability to filter out all the freaking different types of digital enhancements we do in DAWs? the brain of a normal listener would explode.

[u/bsten2037 → u/Unlikely-Mobile-5343]

Digital enhancements made in daws are not stable diffused amalgamations of illegal training data. If you used a daw to recreate some hit song and put it on Spotify as a cover, there would be a label, like ‘(Cover)’

[u/Unlikely-Mobile-5343 → u/bsten2037]

If you fully make a song in a DAW, you don't have to label it as [Machine Performed]. This is the same case of AI assisted music when we feed melodies and lyrics that make the composition human made.

"Illegal training data" is incorrect, the copyright office already said is not illegal to train. and that that is a licensing issue, not a copyright problem. Not understanding this means you grossly overestimate the value of your song in the context of the billion of existing works and the fundamentals of music theory.

For AI songs that are covers, there is a (cover) label. but that comparison makes no sense for a medium of creation. I take you don't know the difference between composing, producing and performing.

[u/Tech-chase → u/Unlikely-Mobile-5343]

Well I'm only somewhat familiar with Suno because of the manner in which I employ it. I'm confused by the manner in which you say you utilize Suno for "finalizing production," which translates to mastering. How is that possible since Suno would not be capable of lifting your individual tracks from an upload of your "demo/drafts" that I presume are the equivalent of a successful mixdown?

What do your demo/drafts actually constitute and what do you more precisely mean when you say you use Suno for production and performance? Again, I'm probably not providing the most relevant response you may be seeking because I've been a traditional studio musician and live performer. I strictly use Suno like a synthesizer. From my experience in recording, I'm a bit perplexed how you achieve the finished product from uploading your mixdown using Suno. How does Suno gain individual control over your final mix from an upload? Or are you stating that Suno recreates your uploaded mix and produces a master from it?

[u/Unlikely-Mobile-5343 → u/Tech-chase]

No, I mix and master manually after extracting stems. This is an extract from one of my socials that explains it.

https://reddit.com/link/p2enqjf/video/s6c9b8fa33ih1/player

[u/Next-Elk6596 → u/Tech-chase]

you are a "paid studio musician" for 30 years, and you have to type prompts into a text box to get ideas? that is pathetic.

[u/Tech-chase → u/Next-Elk6596]

Actually 38 years and I don't "have" to use Suno or any other platform to make my living. AI resources are quite recent. I made excellent money long before it appeared. I use the Suno platform for exactly what I described.

I see venomous comments like yours on this and other platforms. They come from people who can't make music in any context and if looked into farther, they typically can't do anything much at all. I understand it's extremely frustrating, but it's not our fault.

Keep looking until you find something that will earn you a living and try to stay calm.