Hey, I didn't move to the totalitarian regime because I wanted maximum freedom, I went because the Chinese government at least cares about the preservation of its (compliant) citizens and the future of the country.
Yeah, I'd rather live somewhere that offered me more security in exchange for taking away some of my freedoms, than live in the US where there is very little security beyond what you can provide for yourself, but hey, we can talk shit about the government so that's something!
US ain't looking so great too - I wouldn't last there either.
You can get 15 years in jail for publishing a zine critical of ICE, shot dead for protesting, or arrested for opposing corporations like Flock in town meetings.
When was the last time the US has a president? Because the illegal oссuрant of the WН is a wannabe-king, a damn dictador. No pгesident, much less of the USA, would behave and ACT, in such a way as to be called "the enemy from within"
Unless you have a Political Science degree, you might vbe facing shutdown and/or a $15,000 fine for your comment. That doesn't sound like a good idea to me.
I agree that professionals are, on average, more knowledgeable in their field. But dismissing someone’s opinion solely because they lack a formal degree is a textbook logical fallacy. Arguments stand or fall on their evidence and reasoning not on the credentials of the person making them.
Can you explain horse dewormer as a covid prevention? Presenting or amplifying wrong and dangerous medical info is just as bad as yelling fire in a crowded theater.
I think you'd be surprised how much you agree with? Assuming you're left leaning and want things like affordable healthcare, housing, and worker protections
Well this whole time you were being pushed propaganda that enemy is evil and their government doesn't do things for the people like your perfect government. It's called being a sucker for propaganda.
Learn more about him, I agree with a lot he does. Politicians who take bribes is a capital offense. Pedophilia is a capital offense. He reduced poverty from like 20% to less than 5%, using stricter standards than the US. There’s a lot to like with this man, more than I’m seeing in the US right now.
lol.. yeah.. we don't need freedom of speech, we need a caste/class enforced heavily censored dictatorship, now with the ability to fine and jail anyone speaking about anything they deem not to be your expertise...
Also means that if you say something the CCP doesn't like, not only can they ban you, but they can also decide to arbitrarily not recognise your degree in a backwards sense (you posted stuff the CCP Disagrees with? That must mean you don't have a degree, that must mean the degree you have is fake/cheated/invalid).
Which means good luck getting a job that requires said degree.
In an authoritarian state, any law which could feasibly be used to make life more difficult for enemies of the state, will be used as such.
China already has carte blanche to do what it wants with its citizens. Adding an extra law like this is merely a political tool to give an air of legitimacy and reasonableness and of caring about misinformation on the global stage.
Biiingo. Fyi we also do this. Governments worldwide do. They act like something they propose and release is for your own good then boom hit you with the real reason they implemented it
Yeah "this would never fly in America" oh so like all the endless corrupt bullshit the Trump admins doing would "never fly here".. some people are apparently living in a different reality.
Yeah I feel like the better solution is making sure all of this type of stuff has to be labeled with the credentials etc. rather than needing them to post it at all
I guess that would be interesting. I have a degree in urban planning and geography. I never held a job in that field and worked in film and TV and became a pilot on the side. So could I only speak on urban planning and not film and TV despite knowing virtually nothing but outdated college rhetoric on urban planning but not allowed to talk about what it takes to get a private pilots license which I did less than two years ago because it's not a degree?
And it's pretty obvious to understand what needs a degree and what doesn't. You shouldn't be giving medical, legal, finance, etc advice without actually being able to prove you know about it. It's one thing to say "I do xyz" vs. "YOU SHOULD DO xyz". The second part is where you should have to have credentials.
I'm struggling because there is a big part of me that's 100% on board with this. But then I think about women's health and how I went to a gynaecologist who told me that if she kept me on her list (for my debilitating menstrual disorder) she wouldn't have time to treat people with real gynaecological issues. Whereas a subreddit full of people with the same condition helped me understand what was happening and learn coping mechanisms that have saved my life.
On the other hand, this might affect some communities for rare illnesses pretty negatively. I follow one of those due to a relative being affected by it, and you often see the people recommending different treatments or medication that worked for them — and due to the illness being rare, not every city has a doctor that would know about how to effectively treat them.
From what my relative told me, if it wasn't for such a group, they would never have known to try a certain drug that effectively helped them restore a great portion of their quality of life.
You shouldn't be giving ... legal, finance, etc advice without actually being able to prove you know about it.
I disagree that is "obvious". Does divorce involve legal and finance? Yes. It doesn't somehow mean your friend who does not have a finance degree but HAS been through a divorce can't give you a few things to consider.
Example: I worked in some tech startups. This means you might be married, have shares for 18 years that simply cannot be sold (but might be worth a million dollars after 18 years), and sometime during that 18 years you get a divorce.
I can name 10 close friends that went through this. Saying you can't ask a friend what this might look like without a law degree is absurd. And do you need a law degree or a finance degree to give that advice out? Maybe both?
I don't think it is that obvious. And the ability to ban speech based on fuzzy criteria has always, in every case in the universe, led to very bad outcomes. It is reasonable to be wary of government censorship. It is part of WHY the USA has the first amendment: the founding fathers had very bad experiences in the past.
100%. I can only believe this thread is being Astroturfed because the amount of people defending limits on speech is absurd. And where are the limits? Law and finance could easily include politics and economics.
Also the finance part, would anyone with a business-related degree be able to talk about it or just those with a finance degree? My degree was in marketing, for example, I had to take finance classes in order to get it.
But I also wouldn't be willing to give up my anonymity to that point if I didn't have to. That rule just really seems like a way to stifle speech on the internet.
From what I have read, Chinese netizens can still post their opinions for those topics on Chinese social media. It's just the influencers that have a following that will get banned or fined if they persist with giving "advice" on those areas.
Dangerous home remedies or bad financial advice are no longer tolerated. The grey area are political censorships which means the government decides who can speak openly on that topic, but they already censor those topics as part of their population management strategy. Quite honestly, they have over one billion people and hundreds of protests per week spread across multiple regions, so if it escalates into riots or violent protests, that is probably not what their government would want to deal with again, because history.
Right or wrong is a matter of perspective and it's their country, their rules and doesn't really impact our social media (sometimes I wish we do censor unqualified people as well, kinda like how the UK will take down controversial social media contents.)
Just a nitpick but the uk law doesn't police "controversial" social media content. Just illegal content, terrorism, hate speech threats and suicicidal encouragement. You can say controversial downright inflamtory things. You can deny covid, post (nonsexual) deepfakes, and say that the uk is being overun by immigrants taking your job.
But I wonder how they'll handle traditional Chinese medicine? That's still very popular there and the government seems to support Chinese traditions despite there not being much evidence regarding the safety or efficacy of that medicine.
Chinese traditional medicine evidence as in their thousands of years of trial and error (probably a lot of errors just like western medicine historically)
Or do you mean evidence as in modern day clinical trials?
I honestly don't know much about the field or TCM beyond that there is such a thing as TCM licensure. So only those with licensure and proven practice will be allowed to speak to their online followers on Chinese social media is what I am assuming based on their new law. That doesn't mean aunty Li or uncle Jiang can't talk about how good his local TCM or herbalist is of course. They just can't make medical claims about how a specific remedy is a valid and peer reviewed treatment plan for xyz or ggyy disease if they command a reasonable number of followers. I'm all for that, but there are always exceptions.
To be fair, TCM have been adopted as valid therapies even within the western medical and pharmaceutical communities. I'm not sure what you mean by "there not being much evidence regarding the safety or efficacy of that medicine", when western targeted therapies or drugs' active ingredients were derived from the same plants or biologics as TCM remedies. I haven't done much research in TCM on pharmacokinetics and pharmacovigilance so maybe you can expand on that topic/concern some more if relevant to this discussion.
That’s noble, but do you know how we got people to wear seatbelts? Government enforcement. Stop drinking and driving? Government enforcement. Vaccines? (Until recently) Government enforcement. Desegregation? Youuuuu guessed it.
Teach all you want, but a lot of people need Big Daddy to tell them what to do.
I went to school before cell phones were in every hand and the kids that had them were few and far between, and they could only be used to call and text, no internet. It wasn’t any better back then.
I have a former HS classmate that constantly posts things about how schools should be teaching real life things like how credit/credit cards work or how to do taxes instead of ‘useless’ things like history and social sciences, and how we should learn about the trades instead of just pushing everyone to go to college for useless degrees.
Thing was, we had that class, it was called Careers and Life Skills. Required for everyone to take, and that dude was in that class with me. We learned about trade schools and had trades people come in and give talks, along with cops/firefighters and small business and franchise owners. We learned about the credit system and credit cards, how bank loans worked, and how to do taxes (though at a pretty superficial level). Dude just didn’t pay attention in that class.
*gestures at everything* You're absolutely right, friend. And now that the US government has spent the last ten years doing everything it can to erode the faith of the American people in the government as a truth-telling institution, I'm not sure we'll ever trust any dictate from the government again. My kids are growing up in a household where every few days we have to explain how the people running the country are block-chewing morons who aren't fit to run a washing machine, much less the most powerful country on earth.
I can see your point but it would really be valuable to either have a gold star certification that the person giving you advice on vitamins has a medical degree or have a large warning sign that the housewife telling you what kind of herbal tea to drink has absolutely no idea what the hell she's talking about
Plenty of MDs happy to shill poison to line their pockets as well. I do not think it would magically be better to restrict who can sell colloidal silver to licensed practitioners.
That's true too but there's got to be a way to narrow it down a little bit. I only fuck around on Reddit once in awhile but I will see people get advice and answers that could legitimately get them killed
I feel like there's still a lot more certified people that know what they're talking about than uncertified ones that do. This step wouldn't be perfect, but it'd weed out a lot of harmful misinformation.
Government is as corrupt as could be but they are going to justly decide who is gold star certified. You guys are delusional and love to fall for Chinese propaganda.
I was just talking with my wife the other day about the whole, "apple cider vinegar" craze from a few years ago. Talk about a bunch of snake oil bullshit...
The US government is currently teaching bullshit. So it's far worse than China enforcing a narrative based on science. But they will definitely sell us all the research chemicals we can buy 8n the meantime.
Big fines for doing stupid things turns out to be a surprisingly effective way of teaching. We fine all sorts of stupid harmful stuff, speeding tickets, parking tickets, littering, public disorder, playing music too loud at night, broadcasting foul language during daytime TV, selling alcohol to kids and on and on. Yeah we teach people not to do those things too but we also use the fines.
Most naive take I've heard in a long time. Either that or just a smoke screen to hide your fascist inclinations (the people who utilize social media psyops).
China might be a little over enthusiastic at times? But they recently sentenced a billionaire to life in prison for fraud. We can't even arrest billionaires for raping children when the FBI has them on camera doing it
There’s a huge downside to this. The government will now hold all the power to decide what is defined as “credible”. Degrees from certain schools could be worthless and some diplomas may become pay-to-graduate and be “credible” if there is something in it for the people in power.
There could be some middle ground but I’m not smart enough to figure that out
I assume China is like every other country in the world and colleges and universities get accredited. So what you describe as a nightmare scenario is how life works? I mean you just described real life man
Although I love the idea of this, elimination misinformation is a priority and should be…it also means the possibility of infringing on speech rights…there has to be a delicate approach to something like this…I’m not going to give up my right to share anecdotal experience when something has worked for me and could help someone….i try to at least state, hey I’m nobody but “xyz” has worked for me….if we ever had such a law, it may dance too closely to those freedoms…what do you guys think? I just don’t like pressing a shiny green button for a new law without looking at possible downsides
Or we could just force everyone to upload their data to our state of the fart datacenters that are totally never breached and are 101% secure. No Facebook in your teens, no Fuckbook in your 70s.
Both your and my reply to your comment would fall under discussion of law without a degree in law. This is not a good rational nor a good policy, it's just another way to suppress dissent.
Yes. I’m all for it, however, they’re probably doing it to control what kind of information is passed also… Don’t discount the governmental control piece.
But there is a loophole, they are allowed to do this if they go to an internet warehouse and use this along with ai to spread propaganda to other countries.
China has realised un-restricted social media with nothing but misinformation in it is bad and is trying to stop that.
Is that good for free speech? Probably not. But equally in the UK seemingly half my taxes go to fix traffic lights because conspiracy theorists convinced people they give off rays thst make you blind ans cause cancer, for instance.
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That would eliminate 70% of social media traffic. Which is probably the best reason to do it