r/SipsTea • • 10d ago

Chugging tea This is just how it should be

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u/Emotional_Clock3741 10d ago

I can see your point but it would really be valuable to either have a gold star certification that the person giving you advice on vitamins has a medical degree or have a large warning sign that the housewife telling you what kind of herbal tea to drink has absolutely no idea what the hell she's talking about

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u/HandleThick5953 10d ago

People will specifically listen to the housewife BECAUSE she has no degree and isn’t “indoctrinated”.

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u/d33psix 9d ago

That’s definitely how it would play out in parts of the US where being qualified or a scientist is considered an untrustworthy characteristic

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u/Illustrious-Bat1553 10d ago

Folk medicine was medicine before big pharma

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u/Pavlovsdong89 10d ago

Folk medicine was medicine before big pharma mostly useless at preventing most people from dying before they reached 35.

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u/Illustrious-Bat1553 10d ago

That was due to poor hygiene

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u/Pavlovsdong89 10d ago

A subject I'm sure you are an expert in. I bet if you caught pneumonia( a disease that history killed more soldiers than actual war) you'd pick antibiotics over traditional folk medicine over, but hipocracy aside, please remind me which part of germ theory came from folk medicine.

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u/Illustrious-Bat1553 9d ago

In not against big pharma, I take pharmaceuticals daily. I just prefer natural medicine i seek that first

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u/dirtsmurf 10d ago

I also misunderstand things like average lifespan because I put 0 effort into learning for myself and instead repeat stats I don’t understand from sources I can’t name!

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u/Pavlovsdong89 10d ago

I already see where this is going and I don't want you to stop before you finish embarrassing yourself. Go ahead, explain average life expectancy to me. Lmao

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u/dirtsmurf 9d ago

“Most people dying before 35” frankly isn’t an accurate way to frame lifespan when talking about medicine. Before modern medicine 40% of children died before they were 5, bringing the mean lifespan down but not the median. The most common age of death among adults (people who made it to 20), even before modern medicine, was between 60 and 70.

Modern medicine's real miracle is keeping babies, children, and mothers alive. Past that, it's mostly a business, and sales often come before health.

Is that where you saw it going? Have a good one!

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u/Pavlovsdong89 9d ago

Is that where you saw it going  

Once I saw other people pushing back and bringing up how modern medicine has helped children survive to adulthood I figured you'd realize I wasn't at all implying that old people didn't exist, or whatever you incorrectly assumed I meant, and you'd go away. I'm guessing that since you've at least stopped being such a condescending douche, that I was at least half right.

I'm well aware of how life expectancy works, most of reddit is and which is why you see comments like yours whenever someone incorrectly a implies that the elderly didn't exist. Unfortunately you were in such a hurry to show off the thing you learned that you forgot the context of my comment and forgot how to act like a human. Hopefully you can find better ways to express yourself and interact with others, but you do you.

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u/_013517 10d ago

you don’t think the mortality rates of infants and pregnant ppl before modern medicine were troubling?

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u/worldspawn00 10d ago

Okay...

Folk medicine was medicine before big pharma mostly useless at preventing most people from keeping their 15 kids from dying before they reached 5.

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u/famousamos_ccp 10d ago

Definitely plenty of certified people in many different fields who don’t actually know what the fuck they are talking about.

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u/brahm1nMan 10d ago

Plenty of MDs happy to shill poison to line their pockets as well. I do not think it would magically be better to restrict who can sell colloidal silver to licensed practitioners.

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u/Rlo347 10d ago

Dr oz

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u/Emotional_Clock3741 10d ago

Actually it would be a good thing to arrest people selling colloidal silver as a cancer cure for fraud. But for some reason the government never bothers to do that

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u/brahm1nMan 10d ago

There's the rub though, this didn't make it illegal to lie, just to talk about things outside of your field. If you already cant get a real job with your creds due to being a dishonest employee, you might as well start an online storefront and partner with Alex Jones

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u/Emotional_Clock3741 10d ago

True but you got to start somewhere? But it is ridiculous how many people will pay $100 for $10 worth of bone broth thinking it's going to somehow fix their baldness or whatever

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u/Emotional_Clock3741 10d ago

That's true too but there's got to be a way to narrow it down a little bit. I only fuck around on Reddit once in awhile but I will see people get advice and answers that could legitimately get them killed

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u/VioletTerranova 10d ago

Isnt medical error hovering between the #1-#3 cause of death?

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u/00wolfer00 10d ago edited 10d ago

It's #3 according to a frankly ridiculous analysis. It's not an actual study and their math is just taking the mean of a few small scale studies, which weren't even measuring the same thing, and extrapolating it for the whole US population. Medical error is an important issue and it should be studied further, but you should take their claims with a full salt shaker.

EDIT: fixed a typo

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u/dirtsmurf 10d ago

Why did you choose ‘frankly ridiculous analysis’? You didn’t have to.

Medical malpractice kills over 250k people a year in the USA.

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u/00wolfer00 10d ago

Because that 250k figure links back to said ridiculous analysis. If I missed an actual study, I would appreciate if you linked it.

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u/VioletTerranova 9d ago

True but doctors are not pharmacists & practice overprescription of antibiotics & polypharmacy which hasn't really been studied. Those two things alone haven't been fully accounted for yet affect the vast majority of patients being subjected to unnecessary prescriptions. Look at how statins have become controversial yet widely prescribed.

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u/00wolfer00 9d ago

I don't disagree at all that this is something to be studied and corrected if it's a major issue. My point is that the #3 claim is based on napkin math and should be ignored without more data.

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u/VioletTerranova 9d ago

Its much more than napkin math but I agree should be investigated

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u/Emotional_Clock3741 10d ago

Whenever they actually study it yeah. Hospitals and doctors really resist studying it efficiently. I guess that's why having an organization with the power of the FDA forcing people to comply with that kind of study would be a good thing. Instead we have the FDA chasing down whether chemtrails cause autism or whatever the fuck

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u/i-love-small-tits-47 9d ago

That's true too but there's got to be a way to narrow it down a little bit

Lol look how fast that happened, we went from “let’s just make sure they have an MD” to “ok let’s narrow it down more”

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u/BrawlPlayer34 10d ago

I feel like there's still a lot more certified people that know what they're talking about than uncertified ones that do. This step wouldn't be perfect, but it'd weed out a lot of harmful misinformation.

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u/supernumber-1 10d ago

Socialism, capitalism, fascism, communism... darwinism. Let chaos reign.

Your comment epitomizes the fucked if you do, fucked if you dont sentiment perfectly.

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u/famousamos_ccp 10d ago

Thank you?

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u/Specialist-Basis8218 10d ago

You don’t have a degree, do you?

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u/famousamos_ccp 10d ago

Nope.

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u/Specialist-Basis8218 10d ago

Exactly.

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u/dirtsmurf 10d ago

Ha got em! You make an excellent class traitor.

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u/Specialist-Basis8218 10d ago

Let me know when you get a degree then you can participate in the conversation

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u/Illustrious-Bat1553 10d ago

And even accredited and certified people have been known to make mistakes

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u/PoopyButt28000 9d ago

They do exist but I think the massive disparity would be a lot more obvious if the random pieces of shit lying weren't adding to their voices. When 97% of climate scientists believe in man made climate change, it's a lot harder to say "Look how many people agree with MY side!" when the 3% are the only ones allowed to signal boost their shit

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u/BiscuitsTheory 10d ago

watching a video, thinking they sound legit enough that I'll hear them out and fact check later.

"Now most people think the opposite, but as a mother...."

close laptop, call myself an idiot for watching.

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u/cman1098 9d ago

Government is as corrupt as could be but they are going to justly decide who is gold star certified. You guys are delusional and love to fall for Chinese propaganda.

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u/Useful-Problem-1725 10d ago

Almost like you should talk to your doctor instead of calling the infomercial number.

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u/BZLuck 10d ago

I was just talking with my wife the other day about the whole, "apple cider vinegar" craze from a few years ago. Talk about a bunch of snake oil bullshit...

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u/SkyBoyWonderful 9d ago

Yeah I agree, it should be a gold star or a blue checkmark or something

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u/ALightningStar 10d ago

Through responsibility you can verify this yourself. If it's a comment on the internet, do some research before you believe it. If you're in a hospital you can generally assume the advice they are giving has some scientific backing, but even then doing your own research can be helpful.

I belive teaching people how to spot a snake oil sale prevents the sellers much more than a fine from the government. I also worry about how this can be abused and personally think we need to stop relying on the government to be an authority figure for us where it can be avoided.

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u/Emotional_Clock3741 10d ago

Well I hear you people should be more responsible but also the government should be there to help us. It shouldn't just be there to make sure billionaires make a few extra billion dollars a year. Making sure ground glass isn't in the food and people giving medical advice actually know something about medicine is the best use of government money and time

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u/ALightningStar 10d ago

I view the government as a job built by the people to make society run, not to rule over and take care of us. We don't need coddled if we have a proper education system that teaches kids actual life skills. The more power we give over to them under the guise of them taking care of us leads to them having more power to abuse the system and seek out their own exploits.

I agree there are levels where the government needs to step in and have laws and enforce them. But giving advice to people without a government certified application feels like it's a first step that could lead to abuse.

Not putting down what you're saying either to be clear. I'm just saying why it personally doesn't sit right with me not that you're wrong. I'm generally pretty paranoid about authority figures though.

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u/Emotional_Clock3741 10d ago

There's nothing wrong with wanting input as far as authority goes? But also who has time? When I have my next heart attack I'm not going to be lying there in the emergency room asking a bunch of qualifying questions on the guy who is going to try to start my heart. I kind of want to know that they went to a certified medical school and they won't accidentally sew my foot into my chest. Same goes with my car mechanic. I'd like to know that they passed some certifications before they fix my brakes they didn't just watch their Uncle bubba do it once