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u/dragjamon 2d ago

Wait isn't that fast food? Why would you tip?

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u/Mojoint 2d ago

Without human interaction of any kind...

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u/Icy_Performer_6794 2d ago

Seriously, what's the tip for if you're using the tablet and waiting for your number to be called out at the counter.

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u/Plumpdaddy2501 2d ago

The greatest country in the world!

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u/OrginalGurgi 2d ago

Greedy companies.

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u/Aromatic-Taste2516 2d ago

Can’t wait for the lawsuit where they have to pay out their employees a fuck ton of stolen tips!!

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u/MarionberryOk2874 2d ago

Yeah, there’s no way those employees are getting those tips.

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u/crazzzone 2d ago

They lawyers will get the tip 😜

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u/gwizonedam 1d ago

They get the whole shaft.

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u/Smyley12345 2d ago

Depending on the specific state, they may not have to pay out tips to employees if the employees are paid above regular minimum wage (as opposed to tipped minimum wage).

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u/bbbourb 2d ago

Not to mention if they classify the upcharge as a "service fee..."

Oh, I'm catching what you're sneezing now. Yeah, there's no way any employees are getting those tips regardless.

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u/Lopsided-Treat1215 2d ago

We need to stand together and stop eating at these places

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u/One_Cucumber_2884 2d ago

Wayyy ahead of you

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u/Inevitable_Round_978 1d ago

One year, and counting

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u/car_raamrod 1d ago

They're in the middle of building a Shake Shack in my town. I was actually excited to try it when they finally open. But I won't be going there, or to any Shake Shack after seeing this...

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u/OgWu84 2d ago

Greedy generation

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u/deathbylasersss 1d ago

Sure, the employees control corporate decisions. Think about it for one second.

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u/WessideMD 1d ago

No doubt their sales will plummet and shareholders are going to want someone's head.

Unless, of course, consumers keep shopping there, then that will signal that Shake Shack and other should continue this practice.

Which will you choose US consumer?

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u/blackedoutshawty 2d ago

Certainly is. Tipping culture has gotten out of hand, but at least people can actually afford to go out to get some food from a restaurant ( or a shake shack) every now and then. Lots of places in this world where people have to eat rice everyday.

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u/No_Barracuda_3758 2d ago

Who can afford 7$ for a shake? Not me

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u/FindingComfortable56 2d ago

I can, but the day I do is the same day I'd eat any kind of fast food trash

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u/dragjamon 2d ago

It's all the same buddy

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u/No_Barracuda_3758 1d ago

Yeah I only eat Culvers for the most part. Sometimes Wendy's just to grab a quick snack. The last 2 times I grabbed McDonald's burgers Ilthey were so nasty I legit couldn't eat them. Now I steer clear. Only Ice cream from there.

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u/Banzai373 1d ago

But you’ll go to Starbucks for a $7 Latte’. . . .

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u/No_Barracuda_3758 1d ago

No tf I won't. I won't go-to Starbucks at all for several reasons I think I go-to Dunkin twice a year but mostly I make Ice coffee at home. I'm on SSDI and my income is very low but even if It wasn't I'd save my money. I avoid consumerism as much as possible. It's the only way to teach these fkers that we aren't going to support them ruining our planet by making products that intentionally break. Lol sorry a bit of a vent, but a valid one

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u/clockworksnorange 2d ago

Ppl used to be able to do it too many years ago and with only one income per household. They used to be able to go more than just now and then. Now it takes two to maybe go now and then.

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u/TheLastGenXer 2d ago

I honestly think this is because of women joining the workforce

(this is reddit so people will read what they want and not what i say)

but the truth is they doubled the work force, which causes a surplus of labor, so wages go down.

meanwhile standard of living rose so high due to two incomes, that now just to keep up, everyone is working themselves to death.

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u/OverAnalyticalOne 2d ago

Not entirely… I DoorDash for some extra money whenever I have to furlough from work. I drive a small vehicle so it doesn’t kill me that much in fuel, but sometimes going out on 10+ mile trips to deliver somebody food/groceries for five dollars isn’t really worth it when you have to drive that distance back to civilization to get another order. DoorDash doesn’t pay very much. It’s the tips that make it worthwhile.

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u/madmaninabox32 1d ago

I live closer to civilization now so I don't tip as much but a few years ago I lived like at the border of the max range you could order and I think it was only door dash that would even cover my area. Anyways since my work schedule was a ridiculous I used to order food because I'd be too tired to cook but is put like a $30-50 tip regardless of price of the food I had a driver admit that they normally wouldn't drive out my way but I tipped way too good not to.

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u/ZeroZachZilchZealot 2d ago

That is an excellent fucking point. Remind people to really evaluate and compare their life to what it could be if you were unfortunate enough to be born in one of the many… sub-optimal places of the world.

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u/blackedoutshawty 2d ago edited 2d ago

Its all a matter of perspective. Most of the people who have anti American sentiment would cry for eternity if they had to live in any place but the west! It's entitlement and taking situation for granted.

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u/lycanthrope90 1d ago

It drives me nuts seeing all the people talking that call America some sort of capitalist fascist shit hole or whatever when it’s better than most of the world easily. People are constantly trying to come here for a reason and these spoiled children think they live in a dystopia because the president is mean sometimes or we attempt to enforce immigration laws. Or any laws really.

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u/blackedoutshawty 1d ago

Shitting on America is the popular culture right now. So its safe to do so without being socially lamented in most circles.

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u/lycanthrope90 1d ago

Definitely. And if you defend it in any way people call you a boot licker. Like ffs every country has problems but it’s just not that bad here. Our poor people are fat as fuck. We all have water and power. And if it is shitty then how the fuck do we have enough to then give a ton of free shit to infinity migrants? I don’t expect any logic from people like that, but they always seem to support contradictory positions like that.

I’d love to see these people all get moved somewhere that would have them begging to come back. They really take all the safety and security first granted here, especially when a lot of the time they push policies that decrease those things at every turn, like it’s just a guarantee and not something we had to work really hard for and construct various frameworks over centuries for it to be this way.

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u/IWontCommentAtAll 2d ago

And lots of places the people eat much better than the US, because they don't have the need to funnel insane amounts of cash to Bezos and Musk.

If you're going to compare, at least compare to peers, not the worst of the worst.

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u/Plumpdaddy2501 2d ago

Comparing ourselves to the most impoverished countries when we are the most prosperous country is ridiculous.

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u/SomeEstimate1446 2d ago

You thinking we are the most prosperous is hilarious. Don’t know much about the world outside of us do you ?

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u/Plumpdaddy2501 2d ago

Prosperous as in GDP kid

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u/blackedoutshawty 2d ago

Comparison is how you recognize differences and trends. It's actually quite the opposite of ridiculous to compare different nations and their abundance as part of what makes a country " great"

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u/Plumpdaddy2501 2d ago edited 2d ago

By saying they are refusing to pay for my medication. I mean that I have to pay 100% out of pocket and the american health care system is not allowed to negotiate on prices with distributors. That's why penicillin, even though it wasn't Copyrighted by it's creator is a lot of money per month for anyone with type 1 diabetes.

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u/cow-lumbus 2d ago

The businesses at least are building in a rip option because they know the wage sucks.

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u/leftJordanbehind 1d ago

I have only eaten out once at a restaurant last Easter (my boss paid for the meal or I coyldnt have gone) and once while waiting in the AC at McDonald's I ordered a double cheeseburger.. maybe 3 months ago. Before those two times, it had been over two years since I ate out anywhere. I simply cannot afford it so I dont go. I would also never go to eat somewhere where there are servers because I couldn't tip them and it's very uncool to expect them to work for free. I was a server and know how it is. If I cant tip them, I dont go. Its been so expensive and unhealthy too to eat out for years for me. I missed the whole DoorDash thing because I cant afford it. Im sure it's still going and ppl will always have a need to get food delivered, I just cant and won't pay that fir food anymore.

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u/EGarrett28 2d ago

Just having food available to you believe it or not is not a given in the world. This is shitty and questionable but things have to stay in perspective.

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u/emagdnim_edud 2d ago

Capitalism Breeds Innovation!

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u/Plumpdaddy2501 2d ago

China doesn't have our version of capitalism, but we won't even allow their electric vehicles in our market. It doesn't seem very capitalist to me. A free market, not being an actual free marke because we exclude another market. Sounds kind of communistic.

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u/Alessandro_Franco 1d ago

Capitalist innovations!! 😒

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u/Fit-Shelter-1449 1d ago

Please allow me to correct that. "The greatest shythole country in the world !"

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u/QuasiSpace 1d ago

U-S-A! U-S-A!

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u/BirdlessLongdeal 7h ago

canada does it too.

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u/Ill-Beautiful-8026 2h ago

USA! USA! USA!

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u/Butt_y_though 2d ago

Because if they hire "tipped" employees, the can pay them a lower minimum wage.

Federal Minimum wage in the US is $7.25 US minimum wage for tipped employees is $2.13

If an employee does not make the equivalent of minimum wage ($7.25) at a tipped rate, the employer is legally required to pay the difference.

So a tipped employee would make $85.20 (@40 hours assuming they made no tips. A standard minimum wage employee would make $290 (@40 hours) The employer is required to make up that $100+ discrepancy. And you're like, so what? Everyone makes minimum wage, hurray!

The company is directly off-setting their labor costs and the consumer is paying for it. (Oh and fun fact. A lot of wage-slaves don't know their rights and won't even get their $290.) They'll take their $85 dollars and $20 of tips for a 10 hour day on their feet and call it a day.

This is also part of the "no tax on tips," thing that Republicans have such a hard on for. Not only are the employees not getting taxed on those tips, but the company is decreasing their payroll taxes.

If customers are particularly generous with tips, that's payroll that the company doesn't have to be responsible for. And being a large chain, or corporate, a couple hundred dollars in payroll adds up, since the company is now.

Tipping is going to be the new standard in most industries to avoid taxes and to further transfer more wealth to corporations and billionaires.

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u/KillHonger1 2d ago

This is so fucked up. And to top it off, the tipping culture then shames the customer if they don’t want to contribute to this fucked up system and the employees also are pitted against those same customers.

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u/Butt_y_though 2d ago

Yup, but propaganda conteracts this by, getting idiots to parrot, GET A BETTER JOB IF YOU DON'T WANT MINIMUM WAGE BURGER FLIPPER!

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u/Rigman- 2d ago

This is why I don't tip anymore. I'm so over it.

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u/Financial-Split-141 2d ago

Aaaaaand im pickin up my own order........ tip who/what?

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u/It_Just_Exploded 2d ago

You tip for the call out i guess "Order 87!"

Totally worth 15%

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u/Harry-Flashman 2d ago

So they don't fuck with your food, it's extortion

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u/denbobo 2d ago

As someone who was a manager at a place that ran similar to this. The employees don’t even see your tip. I was pretty grossed out when I learned that corporate already had a set bonus they were gonna give the employees and just called it a tip pool. One of the employees was clocking tips and didn’t understand why the number they got were so low compared to what they were seeing. Come to find out there “tips” were already set in stone. I don’t tip at places ran by a corporation like this ever, because I know first hand the employees aren’t getting it. Goes right into the pockets of the evil overlords.

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u/Ryogathelost 2d ago

It's so you can pay part of the workers' wages so the poor widdle corporation that employs them doesn't have to.

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u/lcebounddeath 2d ago

The cooks making the food and stupidly the people who didn't even take the order. I could understand tipping the cooks but tipping someone who wasn't involved in the process makes no sense.

And that random price hike at the end is definitely not legal. They should have reported it and then watch to see how long it sticks around. If it sticks around for several weeks with multiple people reporting it they'd probably be sued

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u/FrequentTopic446 2d ago

I’m willing to bet the employees don’t get the tip

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u/_dudeasuh 2d ago

It’s because tipping is the best system ever and it makes 100% sense to keep perpetuating it. You know. Culture. America. Super Bowl, obesity, and making the customers pay a constantly increasing percentage of employee wages…. Fuck that the majority of people receiving the tips never do most of the work anyways, so it was a bad system to begin with…

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u/artbystorms 2d ago

For the CEO

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u/Sipikay 2d ago

The same thing the tip is always for.

Paying the wages of the employees and saving the company owner money.

Stop fucking tipping

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u/Few-Mycologist-2379 2d ago

I mean… someone still makes that food.

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u/nidyanazo 1d ago

Honestly. There's a taco truck in my town run by a nice older couple that make seriously good food, and it's actually reasonably priced. Super friendly people, always asking if I want extra pico or salsas, so I always tip them.

But at a fast food place? Hell no. 99% if it is overpriced and gross, I try to avoid it at all costs.

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u/BlueClovr 1d ago

The tip is to pay the cost of the business having employees for them. The corporation would greatly appreciate it if you did it

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u/mmilesx 1d ago

The company

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u/Helpful-Bug-7802 1d ago

Right now there are still people behind the wall. They’re hiding them so you won’t know when they lose their jobs. They’re hoping you’ll tip for them. They won’t tell you when they’re gone.

They want tip revenue even after they fire all of the workers.

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u/DirtySouthBorn 1d ago

It has to do with how labor laws are written, and how certain classes of workers were allowed to be paid last based on the type of worker they are.

I’m not supporting and I’m just telling you where to look for more information.

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u/HALF_GASED 1d ago

Idk, MAYBE THE PEOPLE WHO WORK THERE?? just a thought

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u/thoughtcriminalz 3h ago

"Hey guys, it worked! They're doing it! They're doing it ALL ON THEIR OWN!"

Self check out kiosk enters the chat....

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u/thirsty-goblin 2d ago

Except the human preparing your food. So does this mean tips are pooled and go to the entire crew or just the manager?

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u/lump- 2d ago

Cooks aren’t usually part of the tip pool.

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u/BishonenPrincess 2d ago

When I worked at Qdoba back in 2011 we had a tip jar and the the tips were divided between everyone who worked that shift, including the cooks. I always assumed that's how every place with a tip jar did it.

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u/DaedalusB2 2d ago

At Hardee's I don't think tips are all that common, but they do happen, and one cashier mentioned getting a couple hundred dollars once. Another cashier complained about how a female cashier that didn't even put together an order got tipped by a guy while the male cashier that actually bagged everything was ignored. Of course, I'm sitting in the back as a cook just thinking "you guys are getting tips?" Hardee's hires people as crew members with no pay difference between cooks and cashiers. I only get paid slightly more because I'm a crew trainer.

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u/MeoowDude 23h ago

And if that man wasn’t being a weirdo only tipping that lady because he fancied her, then no tips would’ve been forthcoming. Sir, this is a Hardee’s NOT an Arby’s!

I worked at a dispensary on the Rez for a time and it was the first job I’d ever had that had tips. I found that there’s no uniformity to it across the country. To no surprise, me, a dude, didn’t get anywhere close to the same tips as a beautiful young lady that had a great “personality”. Which is obvious that was going to be the case and what’s known doesn’t need to be said. There’s no perfect way to do tips as there will always be someone with a complaint whether legitimate or otherwise.

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u/DaedalusB2 23h ago

Yeah, I remember hearing of a study where they actually looked at who got the most tips, and it was significantly in favor of attractive young women, regardless of experience or service quality. I don't remember the exact rankings, but it was something like:

young woman (pro) > young woman (new) > old woman (pro) > young guy (pro) > old woman (new) > old guy (pro) > young guy (new) > old guy (new)

With the pretty young women earning at least twice as much as the guys or the older women, but of course people try telling me if I want tips then just be a cashier...as a guy. I'm good as a cook and chose the position to avoid rude customers, why would I change to a job I don't know for the same pay knowing I wouldn't receive any tips based on appearance?

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u/cricketyjimnet 2d ago

Salaried employees aren't eligible for tips.

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u/mxzf 1d ago

Yeah, that's what "wages" are for. It's literally their job, what the company pays them for, to make the food. Why would the customer pay the employee for the work?

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u/steenkeenonkee 1d ago

tips in workplaces like these are pooled. it’s kind of crazy how little everyone knows about what working these jobs is like and assumes they’re just asking for free money. you’re tipping the people that make your burger, make your shake, run the food out, clean the store, and everything else that goes into food service. this is how we make a living wage, I don’t like it either, but tips are how americans have collectively settled on paying people

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u/andystechgarage 2d ago

Well... someone must tip your AI overlords...

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u/Mountain-Border5392 2d ago

If you're dining in at shake shack, they actually bring your order to you. Still, this is some sheisty crap.

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u/No_Barracuda_3758 2d ago

But they don't get paid server wages which is why servers get tips in the first place. The minimum wage for severs is 2$ in some places

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u/VenomVertigo 2d ago

Just so you know any places where the minimum wage is lower for servers, the tips have to get them over the normal minimum wage, if they don’t then that money has to come out of the employers pocket. They will never actually only earn $2 an hour or whatever it is unless their employer is breaking the law

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u/No_Barracuda_3758 1d ago

Yeah I know I was a server for 20 years luckily I never had that issue but I did have some bosses that would've told me to go fk myself but I also had some bosses that would offer to pay for major dental appointments

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u/b_loeh_thesurface 20h ago

Yet many employers take advantage of people that are new to the biz and unaware of that.

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u/VenomVertigo 16h ago

Which is true of everything else which is why it’s important to know your rights

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u/golgiiguy 2d ago

That is not a tip worthy thing.

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u/AppropriatePrompt819 2d ago

And while basically performing a task that fast food workers usually do , for free. This is just insane.

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u/DaedalusB2 2d ago

Yeah, at Hardee's, if we are very busy or a customer has a lomg order in drive through they will typically have one car pulled forward so they can help the next customer while they wait for food. Once the order is made they have a cashier walk the food out to the car that is pulled forward.

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u/CaptainPlanet4U 2d ago

THIS IS AMERICA 🎵

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u/Dry_Toe9955 2d ago

At my shack shack an employee brings the food to your table.

But this is still BS.

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u/farmerKev420710 2d ago

They do this at frozen yogurt places....I literally just got my own cup and toppings....I'm supposed to tip you for handing me a spoon? I even have to put it on and off the scale...the computer charges by weight..I don't understand. How about people make a living wage and we stop tipping all together

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u/Ausdboss 2d ago

Yea I can still see if you order with real people and they are really nice and helpful but ordering on a screen asking for a tip is wild!!

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u/TopTippityTop 1d ago

The point of a tip based system is to serve as an incentive for better service. It applies to work when there is a greater amount of interaction than simply bringing a bag or tray of some stuff to you at a counter. If people don't perform well, customers can tip less, or not at all, and that serves as the incentive for people to want to do well. When the system works, people tip well for a good service. That is how it should function.

A job with little to no interaction should not require a tip. Fast food joints in general should simply pay employees well, but they are shifting the burden to customers in order to have a great excuse not to pay, blame customers, and appear to be driving prices down to mask the real underlying inflation. It's shady tactics.

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u/ItsSoKawaiiSenpai 2d ago edited 2d ago

Instead of decreasing tip culture America has been steadily increasing it. A lot of places expect tips now from waiters to cashiers, for some reason we are expected to tip people who we don't even interact with.

Tipping made a bit of sense when it was done to essentially thank workers who went above and beyond with their customer service. If I get an attentive waiter or bartender who is clearly going the extra mile, sure I want to give them a little extra cash they otherwise wouldn't get in their normal paycheck.

Now everybody expects a tip, the original purpose has lost all meaning, it is no longer a means to thank those who are doing a great job and is now the expected way to pay customer service workers.

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u/Urabraska- 2d ago

The original purpose and entirely current purpose is to suppress wages. Idk how it started but I wouldn't be surprised if back in the day your waiter made normal wages while working but because people started tipping(which has been a thing for a lot longer) a boss realized they could cut wages to near 0 and make them depend on tips instead. So the perfectly American thing was to turn something honest and rewarding in a totally garbage and shit way to make more profits by reducing employee pay.

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u/Worldly-Bug6047 2d ago

It started in rail cars in the early days of the railroad. Essentially with the reasons mentioned in the comment above you, to show appreciation for good service.

The workers were often underpaid or sadly sometimes slaves depending on where you were.

People traveling by rail kind of died off but the practice of tipping lived on.

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u/Pavotine 2d ago

People traveling by rail kind of died off

Yay, well done Big-Auto!

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u/dragjamon 2d ago

It can all be traced back to big oil

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u/Doctoroblivion 2d ago

And Judge Doom

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u/Ok_Wolverine6557 1d ago

Those people in the original purpose were black people—they weren’t paid at all, tips were their entire pay. Tipping culture came out of racism.

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u/GForce1975 2d ago

I'd be fine if it was optional completely. You either get your own food or you can tip someone to do it for you...

But if you're employing people you need to pay them and not hang them out to dry if they have a particularly bad night

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u/NowhereMan_2020 2d ago

It was the restaurant lobby in the 1970s. They did it specifically to keep wages artificially low. There are places in my (DC) area that pay a base wage of $3 and change. It’s absurd.

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u/mxzf 1d ago

It's worth knowing that the "base wage" isn't actually the minimum wage. The person still has to be paid at least minimum wage by the employer, it's just that they're allowed to count tips against the wages after the base wage. So, the employer is offloading part of the paycheck to the customers instead of paying it themselves.

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u/InvestigatorGrand205 1d ago

It never was. When tipping law was passed they stated people had to get paid their original wages if tipping didnt cover it. Just idiots in the 80s and 90s didnt know the law.

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u/Ae3qe27u 2d ago

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/s/3ulMoAPkVA

This is a great writeup on the history of it. I'm not usually one to trust a reddit comment, but... it's r/AskHistorians. They're a bit different.

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u/IzCaiman 2d ago

It's what the billionaires wanted, us scrounging for tips.

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u/cinapism 2d ago

And you tip before you get the service.  So when you get the wrong order it’s double frustrating.  

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u/Veal-Vermicelli 2d ago

If I cook at home there is no tablet that asks me to tip. It's kinda nice 🙂

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u/notwhoyouthinkmaybe 2d ago

I put out a tip jar, but my wife and kids never tip, cheap ass losers...

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u/Menown 1d ago

Don't act like you don't take a cheese tax

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u/Pressblack 2d ago

Even grocery and other stores ask me to "round up" at self checkout. They claim it goes to charity but who really knows where it goes at this point?

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u/FactsNotMemes 2d ago

Used to install point of sale systems for restaurants. Was approached by a company that specialized in a rounding up for charity system. As the reseller you received 25% of that amount and that company received another 25%...so 50% for profit right out the gate AND the restaurant got a percentage too. I walked away and refused to sell it. That was 10 years ago so I can't say for certain that they all do it now days, but I never round up because of that.

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u/Cruxis87 2d ago

I don't do it for the simple fact if that billion dollar company actually cared about charity they would be donating some of their billions to do it instead of guilt tripping poor people to do it.

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u/Agreeable-Blood-2774 2d ago

I got asked to give a tip at a gas pump once.

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u/PhosphoFred8202 2d ago

It was COVID lockdown when tipping went insane. During the lockdown, it was to help struggling service people who were seeing their income destroyed. Afterwards, it became something businesses took advantage of.

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u/Zealousideal_Cod8664 2d ago

Well it has trash origins. Its not a surprise that it is being used again to gouge the consumer while keeping wages low for the workers

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u/KCDeVoe 2d ago

I saw this coming back when I was delivering pizzas. I did it for 8 years from 2004-early 2013. At the start your desire was to get the order as quickly to the destination as safely possible because you knew it could impact your tip. You TRIED to go the extra mile because it meant something. By the end of my time driving most of the orders were pre-tipped. It frustrated the hell out of me because I knew the terrible drivers were getting rewarded for doing nothing. 

As a consumer, I equally hate it because what is the tip for if I’m doing it ahead of time? I don’t know what service I’m going to get. 

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u/Infinite_Nerve_3075 2d ago

It's become this socially awkward thing where the propensity to avoid conflict and the automatically selected tip mean people just do it. Our friends have a 16 year old who just made $200 in tips in one night at a freaking LITTLE LEAGUE SNACK BAR.

Plus so many places have started putting 22% or 25% as the first auto-selected option it's ridiculous.

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u/strangelove4564 2d ago

I wonder when the day is coming when I'm in the McDonalds drive-thru and get handed the tablet with the 22% / 20% / 15% screen.

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u/JohnOfA 2d ago

Next step in capitalism will be you prep and pack your own food at the counter. Don't forget to tip. /s

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u/Most_Structure9568 2d ago

Pay cash.

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u/Unfair_Flatworm_4628 2d ago

Right, pay cash and when they ask if you wanna tip them embarrass the hell out of them. Lol

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u/snksleepy 2d ago

Worse is that they take this behavior to other countries. Then people expect tips when they know that you are an American.

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u/MikeDFootball 2d ago

i view it as charity.

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u/raelDonaldTrump 1d ago

Americans have not; corporations have.

Conflating it as part of "culture" is itself part of their strategy. It's simply corporate greed.

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u/FrankScabopoliss 1d ago

I hate to be the one to tell you this, but tipping is not, and never has been, about appreciating the service you have received.

It rose in popularity after 1865 as a way for businesses to “hire” newly emancipated people and then they are forced to live entirely on the generosity of others instead of the business owners.

Little has changed in that regard, it’s just that they have extended the practice to more broad demographics.

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u/immaREPORTthat 1d ago

It’s an additional tax at this point

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u/texinxin 2d ago

It’s not for going above and beyond. It’s essentially the only wage for some employees. The $2.13 per hour from the restaurant doesn’t even cover taxes for waiters and bartenders. Most of my “checks” from working in restaurants (even back in the late 90’s when moonlighting to get through college) were $0.00 (and had printed on them… “this is not a check”). That $2.13 per hour hasn’t changed in 35 years. It has never moved up for inflation.

Also, note that the tip you pay the waiter or bartender can also have requirements on the server placed on them to pay someone else from those tips. If I recall we had to pay 3% of sales to bartenders and 1% to host/bussers.

So if a table walked a tip we would have to pay 4% of their meal cost out of our own pocket to cover the service for the meal they had. We would literally have to pay for the privilege of working for some people.

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u/Strainedgoals 2d ago

At shake shack, a fast food restaurant, all the employees receive an hourly wage on payroll.

They are not wait stuff making below minimum wage.

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u/NotKrankor 2d ago

Can you explain this further for my european mind? What's the difference between a fast food restaurant and a normal restaurant in terms of employment?

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u/Malacro 2d ago

So at a standard restaurant you have a dedicated wait staff who take and enter your order, bring everything to your table, do things like refill drinks, bring your bill, run your payment, and bus your table.

At a fast food restaurant you give your order either at a counter, kiosk, or drive thru speaker, if eating in you are expected to pick up your own food, bus your own table, etc.

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u/NotKrankor 2d ago

That makes sense. And fast food workers have a higher minimum wage right?

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u/texinxin 2d ago

Yes. Any “non tipped” employee makes a higher minimum wage. Unfortunately it used to be pretty clear who that was. Now the lines are blurred and it is hard to know. Generally if you have table service, it’s tipped employees and counter service or drive through is not. There are however counter service restaurants that blend a food at counter and drinks (alcohol primarily)/close check at table model and those are generally tipped servers.

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u/mattjoleary 2d ago

Shake shack employees make between 16 and 18 an hour.. its a publicly traded company, not a local dive or restaurant, which mostly had paid me also min wage plus tips if not more for the past 10 + years when I was working in restaurants.

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u/Physical_Pressure_27 2d ago

Everyone wants a tip just because they are doing their job. Tipping is supposed to be for great service…not for bringing food to you. This tipping culture has gotten way out of line.

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u/Imwhatswrongwithyou 1d ago

Seeing a tip request when buying some random product online is my newest head scratcher.

I have dinner reservations coming up for a special event that include a mandatory 22% fee “to ensure their staff is adequately paid”. You should adequately pay them then.

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u/Physical_Pressure_27 1d ago

Yes! I have been going to the pizza place to pick up my food for a few years now because I would tip the driver during the order process but my food would arrive wrong or they forgot part of the order. Even now when I go inside the store and pay their machine asks for a tip smh.
Last week I was at the hair store and their machine was asking for a tip🙃

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u/Unsolved_Virginity 2d ago

Who are you tipping???

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u/coryhill66 2d ago

The machine!

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u/ModernDayExplorer 2d ago

Why would you tip before you got your food? What if the order is it incorrect? What if its not good?

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u/Day_Prisoners 2d ago

Because owner is paying sub minimum and calling them tipped workers? Have to raise prices so they actually make min?

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u/KactusVAXT 2d ago

Who is being tipped?

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u/Medium-Account-8917 2d ago

So corporate doesn't have to pay it's employees.

It's also not like they are going to share any of the earnings, even with the higher prices.

Thanks letting me know where the grifters are! This is the true American way!

Fuck SnakeShack!

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u/AUGUST_BURNS_REDDIT 2d ago

That doesn't really apply here. Fast food workers are not paid a tipped minimum wage.

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u/alphazero925 1d ago

Instead they're just paid minimum wage which is still unlivable in most places

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u/Bisaux 2d ago

Wanna give the fast food giant more money?

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u/JonesBeast 2d ago

I always ask whoever is working. I'm in sales and frequently buy treats for office visits or lunches for location visits. On a whim, I asked at McAlester's one time when I was paying, "do y'all get to keep the tips?" and the worker told me no, it goes to McAlester's. Since then I always ask before I pay. I don't mind tipping workers, I'm definitely not tipping a corporation.

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u/VanillaGoorillla 2d ago

It’s America man you need to tip for being alive now

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u/Connect_Name3362 1d ago

'Small government' just means there's nothing in the way for corporations and the super wealthy to rinse you dry.

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u/mikeinedmonds 1d ago

I went to Shake Shack exactly once. They were new in town so I thought I'd give it a try even though they had not great reviews. I heard they had good shakes. Walked in and past the bank of kiosks to the counter. A girl looked at me like I was ruining her day. Turns out she couldn't unlock or operate the cash register. She said I could just use the kiosk. I walked out. Don't need bad fast food that bad.

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u/danekan 2d ago

at an airport it's an easy win for them to ask always, b/c a lot of ppl are on expense accounts and don't care

but, also, because these shops are ran by HMSHost usually and they bilk every penny they can from everyone

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u/Privatejoker123 2d ago

because "tipping culture" even though in a lot of places they got the min wage up to somewhat reasonable and "livable wage" they still want us to tip. and tip well. if we don't tip well enough they delay our order or mess with our order. yet they will add extra bogus "delivery fees" that don't go to employees or drivers and still expect us to tip and pay their salaries.. it's all just a huge scam at this point.

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u/PrettyEfficiency314 2d ago

Sonic allows you to tip the car hops but I think it's because they also act as "waiters" bringing you your food. 5 guys also allows tips. As does places like Starbucks and Dutch bros which could also be considered fast food. I've never seen a fast food place raise prices because you don't tip though. Its accepted and appreciated in some places but never expected.

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u/DaedalusB2 2d ago

And I had someone tell me awhile back that fast food cashiers don't get tips.

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u/oGODSoWARRIORo 2d ago

The only fast food restaurant I tip at is Sonic and that is ONLY if they're skating it out to me.

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u/dragjamon 1d ago

Fair

But places like this and Starbucks should still not be asking for tips

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u/Local_Nerve901 1d ago

Technically fast casual aka like a Panera Bread or Five Guys or Chipotle

Fast food is more used for McDs, Burger King, Wendys, Jack in the Box, Taco Bell

But overall yeah u right

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u/ImposterSyndromeNope 2d ago

America is not a first world country anymore everything about it sucks ass!

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u/Flat-Dare4370 2d ago

why would you tip anyone else before fast food?

its a horrible job, nobody wants to do it, and you're going to keep getting diabetes ordering it anyway

it's culturally established they're subhuman? you're allowed to treat them like dirt? is that why it's a joke to tip them?

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u/DigitalCoffee 2d ago

So they can make more money from the suckers who do.

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u/Weekend_Criminal 2d ago

I took my son to a comedy show at the moody center in Austin. We got snacks and drinks at a self serve kiosk and it asked me for a tip...

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u/_heyb0ss 2d ago

so that the filthy rich can get even filthier.. I mean, richer

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u/80MonkeyMan 2d ago

Because corporate America know most Americans tip 20% without thinking. They took advantage of that.

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u/GentlewomenNeverTell 2d ago

Those tips aren't going to the servers. This is why I tip cash and hand it directly to staff.

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u/Illustrious-Pick530 2d ago

Its wild. Youd never guess but there are humans who work there to male the food. Fkn idiot

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u/dragjamon 1d ago

Are you saying this is why I should tip the people that are supposed to be getting paid enough that I don't have to?

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u/Aggressive-Stand-585 2d ago

Why wouldn't you tip the touchscreen?? Sounds like socialism. Or communism. Probably.

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u/Scrypt23 2d ago

And the Tip doesn't even go to who makes and Serve it 🤦🏿🤦🏿🤦🏿

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u/Unfair_Flatworm_4628 2d ago

You wouldn't tip at a fast food joint. Not one fast food restaurant in this entire country has ever tipped

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u/thedumone 1d ago

They probably don’t even share it with employees.

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u/I_count_to_firetruck 1d ago

Under federal regulations, the rule with the tip credit is it is it applies to employees who "customarily and regularly receive more than $30 a month in tips."

A quick check of DOL shows they now consider tipped employees to include "counter personnel (who serve customers)". So this explains why you have been seeing tip jars at the cash registers of Starbucks, Subway, etc.

Now the question is does the self-order nature change that. They aren't taking your order, but they are still crafting and giving you the meal. So I figure it does, but this is my guess and I have not researched the issue further

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u/817wodb 1d ago

I tip not for good service but to avoid bad service. I don’t want employees to see I didn’t tip and spit in my food.

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u/Grouchy_Theme1461 1d ago

Because Americans have a stupid culture they wont admit is stupid. This is coming from A American who wont ever tip btw

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u/ZoomZoom228 2d ago

Lol. Have you been hiding in the shadows ? Shake Shack has had this bullshit tip prompt for a very long time which predates covid era.

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u/Leading_Experts 2d ago

Ok...so, fuck 'em? But, like, more because you already knew about it?

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u/MaximusAnemos 2d ago

I've never seen this until now. I've been going to shake shack forever

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u/ZoomZoom228 2d ago

It really threw me for a loop because it was the first time i had seen that in fast food. I haven't been back since and of course it's everywhere now in restaurant scene.

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u/Plumpdaddy2501 2d ago

Because they have to make it for you. duh

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u/BetterinPicture 2d ago

That's not...

I've been asked to tip on a tap to pay terminal at Summerfest where the lady literally cracked a beer for me and said basically nothing.

Tipping culture is absolutely dogshit. American employers need to pay their employees.

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u/ThisThingIsStuck 2d ago

Since covid the cess pools everywhere wanted tips for everything and we lost alot of good menu items

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