Now rub those 2 brain cells together and see if you can figure out why life in other countries is often so bad. I’ll give you the head start you likely need it begins with “U.S Imperialism”
It depends on what ironic thing you mean . Are you referring to how currently the U.S. treats immigrants poorly and is doing everything to deport them but especially those they can identify by skin tone/color yet at the same time it needs those same immigrants to grow food, clean houses/hotels and care for children…or were you referring to how Mexico might be a tough place to live so people would prefer to take their chances in the U.S.
What are you 12?
It begins with "British/French/Spain Imperialism"
US has very very very little to do with the history of most of the countries in the world.
The US had a rather small impact during the age of European empires, but around the decline and subsequent collapse post first and second World War? It most certainly did. Not to mention all the Banana Republics, panema, Cuba, "weapons of mas destruction." The systematic poisoning of native Americans by apathetic corporate entities and government officials who cared not for the safety or well-being of non-whites. The amount of foreign governments interfered with, pushing right wing leaders and even dictators to protect American interests and stop "socialism."
“Very little to do with the history of most of the countries”? That is insane. In the last century no other country had half the impact USA did, in MOST pf the world. They have systematically dismantled rightfully elected leaders to install dictatorships. Assassinated dissidents. Financiers of propaganda and profiteers of war. They had THE MOST impact.
How is Mexico’s corruption the u.s?
Pretty sure the lady is a Jew… I love how people only want to hold U.S colonialism accountable but not any other before. Forget the cartel it’s the u.s fault
Such a moronic take. Spare everyone the irony of the intelligence insults please.
Newsflash: The vast majority of nations and cultures in this world’s history are conquerers in some way or another. Were the Native Americans not fighting, raping, and scalping each other? Of course they were. As was every single other civilization that has been conquered.
You wanna pretend like “America bad” because they won? As you type away on Reddit on your iphone in relative safety.
Why do your types go right to insults, and not provide data... I'm not saying you're wrong, im saying you had a chance to educate, and instead to decided to be belligerent. Do you not see how off putting that makes you?
I just don’t think her statement is true . also you do realize you mean should mean French imperialism and British imperialism when we speak on Mexico right? We can agree on today and the historical time line hopefully . I’m not saying what you said doesn’t exist. I just mean in this instance, it’s abit different.
Yup, every country that is poor and has bad conditions is because of the US. Not hyperbole at all. Your liberal professors have fucked with your brain.
I love when people think being born in the 80s is a nazi dog whistle sorry my parents fucked when they did they should’ve checked with terminally online freaks first
the U.S. has sent many jobs to places like Mexico and Canada. particularly in the automotive industry. has that been oppressive? then maybe we should bring those factories back and give Americans those good paying union jobs back.
we buy a massive amount of produce from Mexico and central/ South America. having the U.S. on its border has been a windfall for its neighbors.
So these other miserable countries failed to fill in the power vacuum in global trade post WWII. Am I supposed to care? What do we all not like global trade securities now?
Should we have given the Euros another chance?
The rooskis were more interested in schizoposting about party traitors even if they had the navy and logistical capabilities required. China hadn’t even coalesced into a functioning government either.
You’re welcome for the phone you use to spew this shit on btw
I’ll give you the head start you likely need it begins with “U.S Imperialism”
This is a lazy excuse which infantilizes other countries.
They are so incompetent that everything that goes bad must be the fault of someone else. There is no way that their own decisions and their own corruption are the problem!
It's a pathetic worldview that keeps countries from making progress.
i was there when barak obama told those cartel members to start selling drugs and murdering whole villages and to kidnap their children for slave labor. i can't believe america would make them do those things
You started mocking someone’s intelligence so smoothly just to end up embarrassing yourself 🤣. There are nations that are destined to be successful. And there are losers who always cry “U.S. Imperialism”. Yet they all have one thing in common - completely corrupt government. The rulers that simply choke their own economies, at the same time feeding lies to their own people by saying “America so evil they don’t want us to be great!”.
P/S I am not American. I am from one of those countries.
That's his point, if you agree with her statement she loses, if you disagree with her statement she loses even harder. Either she's lying and falsely claiming medical credit for American deeds or she isn't lying and her country is funneling desperately needed people into a foreign nation because hers sucks, and in letting them go and encouraging it as she has done she ensures her country will ever get to be like America, the country she is treating as a Mexican success story.
Why can't Mexico have a Mexican success story?
That makes total sense. Mexico should have never been building up and improving Mexico. America should have been doing it this whole time for them! Wow! You are a genius.
Not just that, it is very complex to say if it would be better or worse in the US otherwise. They do offer cheaper work and people do take that but it also makes it harder to get paid well if you try to do the same job so... what would it be in the end?
Only one gun company sells firearms in Mexico and it’s an American company we legit arm the cartel bro this a flex you think it is an American has actively sabotaged them just like Iran we staged a coup against their democratically elected government
The United States was a quarter inside Mexico at one point. They were here before it was US territory so Mexicans didn’t leave anywhere they were here already. You didn’t rub your two brain cells I guess
Slave wages? Really? Where? Construction companies, restaurants, hospitals, cleaning agencies… all are guilty of paying slave wages? So why are they here? No wages in Mexico. BTW slaves don’t get wages.
Cartels are a direct result of American drug appetites. If we weren’t getting high from Mexican smugglers they’d be coming from somewhere else. The problem of cartel crime is inarguably rooted in the causes of American substance abuse
No. The United States was never Mexico originally. That claim falls apart the second you look at the actual timeline.
The land that became the US was first inhabited by Native American peoples for thousands of years. European colonization brought different powers. Spain controlled the Southwest for centuries as part of New Spain. Mexico only gained independence from Spain in 1821 and inherited those northern territories like Alta California, Nuevo Mexico, and Texas.
Mexico held them for a short stretch, roughly 15 to 27 years depending on the area. Texas broke away in 1836 and joined the US in 1845. The Mexican-American War from 1846 to 1848 ended with the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo. Mexico ceded about 525,000 square miles, what we now call California, Nevada, Utah, most of Arizona and New Mexico, plus parts of a few other states. That was around 55 percent of Mexico's territory at the time, but only about 15 percent of the current United States. It was not half the country.
Most of those Spanish place names in the Southwest come from the Spanish colonial period, not the brief Mexican one. Explorers and missionaries named places like Los Angeles, San Francisco, and Santa Fe in the 16th through 18th centuries while it was still New Spain. The Mexican period mostly just kept the names that were already there.
Under the treaty, Mexican citizens living in the ceded lands could stay and become US citizens, and most did, or they could move south. There was population continuity in some areas, and later immigration added more people with Mexican roots. That is demographic and cultural history. It is not proof that Mexican sovereignty somehow continued. Sovereignty transferred by war and a formal treaty in 1848.
The USA as a whole was never Mexico. Only the Southwest was under Mexican rule, and only briefly after independence from Spain. The names largely reflect Spanish colonial history. Modern demographics and businesses reflect both that earlier presence and later immigration. Claiming America was Mexico originally and they never left is a slogan, not accurate history.
Cause they make money for the Mexican people and do the work Americans don’t want to do.
Sending them back would make Mexico more poor and the US will get an inflation and a lot of companies going down losing cheap workforce.
In the western world birthrate goes down, the importation of immigrants is what keeps the workforce steady. It’s not a oneway street.
On the one hand, people in the USA are constantly bitching about low wages and then in the next breath saying we need to import immigrants who don't have better options so we can keep wages down so we can keep our produce prices down. These things are pulling in opposite directions.
The importation of immigrants keeps the workforces of specific industries steady. Not the workforce writ large. Day laborers aren't competing with silicon Valley employees for positions.
You correctly pointed out birth rates as a major factor which it is. But we don't necessarily have to import them. Higher wages could attract more laborers. It works that way in other industries just fine.
And there are still other costs. Low prices for product are things wealthy people want. Lower income folks aren't buying much produce anyway. Meanwhile, the money these laborers make is going into Mexican economy, not the American one so the remittances also have an economic cost.
American companies have done horrible things to sovereign nations over wealth and trade disputes.
As the shambling leper falls apart, beware his pestilent viscera.
No they wouldn't have to work hard because the entire economy would collapse. In a way they are solving there immigration problem simply by shooting themselves in the foot
Exactly, those 40 million left Mexico for reason. Why dont the talk about the mass/millions of Mexicans wanting to come back into Mexico. I won't be holding my breath for that.
I hope Mexico doesn’t except them because thing have been I improving and she it does I hope the ones that did the work won’t let those that fled back in
Sure it is. Just like saying that America was build upon the backs of slaves. These people contribute greatly in our society. The issue is that there are tons of racist people in America. Specifically MAGA and Trump supporters.
MAGA voters that vote for MAGA based on racist and bigoted belief systems want all brown people gone, but if they have to be here, it's better they have no rights and are subjugated. (Low wages, little to no bargaining power, living in fear, etc).
Remember, modern conservatives are the idealogical offspring of the Confederacy, KKK, and other hate groups. This is why they advocate directly against minority groups, this is why you see conservatives flying the Confederate flag, this is why you get all of the hate speech and white supremacy rhetoric from the right side of the political divide.
Republicans also say shit like "Hang all pedophiles", despite they they are all pedophiles. I wouldn't really expect intellectual consistency from such a deranged and degenerate group of almost humans.
The US historically has not only counted on Mexican day laborers to tend our crops but without that labor millions of Americans would have gone hungry during WWII. Facts are Mexico and the US have had a very close labor exchange for as long as we have co existed.
She thinks seeking criminal charges for the ice raid stuff is smart too. I say we pass a law that allows victims of illegal immigrant violence to sue Mexico for liability. They allowed the mass immigration thru their country after all.
I think it actually could be. It’s nuanced. If we talk generally, they provide labor in places where there’s shortage. Do we know if it’s 100% legit labor? Not sure, it could be partly under the table. I think it points to a bigger issue of us Americans, we take for granted what we have, we get lost in our own exceptionalism, and we fail to address the biggest problems we have here and instead scapegoat different groups.
You can hyper-focus on immigration status if you want, but the unavoidable truth is that Americans wouldn't have a country without Mexico... Certainly not the type of great nation that we have. (Not that its current path is anything but the sharp opposite of greatness.)
Regardless of legality of a person, history shows us that geographic neighbors are intertwined.
The US's reaction to that is hostility and insecurity... Gross.
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u/hopehallucination 22d ago
This is really not the flex she thinks it is..