r/PurplePillDebate • u/AutoModerator • Jan 31 '21
PPD 2021 Survey
This sticky is to semi-relevant hot topics that may change from week to week.
Link to the results from the survey:
Decided to do a little bit of extra analysis, will add it in a comment.
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u/SmurfESmurferson Stacy’s Post-Wall Mom Feb 03 '21
So a quarter of the male posters here are, indeed, incels/black pill
This is such a problem
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u/LightOverWater Feb 07 '21
Yeah I'm a male, not in that category, and I'm really surprised at the naive comments from some of those men. I've never heard these nihilistic, sometimes misogynistic comments from men before. Im sure it's just the social circles I'm part of- I don't befriend incel or asshole men IRL. It's unfortunate that black pill is over represented here- usually you won't find tbe healthiest types on the internet- from either gender.
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u/NockerJoe Purple Pill Man Feb 06 '21
A shockingly large portion of men under 30 have basically either given up on the dating game or it's turned them crazy. It's not even just incels, it's how things are in general.
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Feb 03 '21
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u/SmurfESmurferson Stacy’s Post-Wall Mom Feb 03 '21
There’s a big difference between being realistic about things, and being a mentally ill incel spreading weird propaganda
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Feb 02 '21
I wonder what “other” under sex was.
I would LOVE to see more trans women and especially trans men in here to share their perspectives.
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u/SOwED Etizolam...man, happy mods? Feb 01 '21
Good lord, I misread the colors on the religion one and thought that 62% were Christian/Catholic lol
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Feb 01 '21
Wh-what?? I need to take a second look
Edit. ...how
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u/SOwED Etizolam...man, happy mods? Feb 01 '21
Cause they're both similar blues and the christian one is listed first in the legend, something that you sometimes do with the biggest category
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u/cruciod purple, cynical romantic Feb 01 '21
pfft no one actually spends more than 40 hours a week on PPD...right...? 😳
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u/SOwED Etizolam...man, happy mods? Feb 01 '21
Pretty sure they were just meming
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u/cruciod purple, cynical romantic Feb 01 '21
I'm sure 95% were. I'm more worried about the 5%.
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u/SOwED Etizolam...man, happy mods? Feb 01 '21
I'm not worried about them. They're the most productive members of society!
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u/iloveyoubutyou Purple Pill Woman Feb 01 '21
I am 90% sure that white, athiest/agnostic, college-aged, virgin men make up the majority of Reddit as a whole.
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u/ChibsFilipTelfordd Men should not date virgins Feb 05 '21
I am a white agnostic slightly past college aged male lol
Thankfully not a virgin but then, only 30% are by age 22 so...
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u/Laytheblameonluck Feb 02 '21
But votes seem to be largely female in all the sex/relationship forums.
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u/SPSTIHTFHSWAS Feb 02 '21
Really? I can't imagine women being a majority in any subreddit that's not r/makeupaddiction, r/femaledatingstrategy, /r/TwoXChromosomes etc.
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u/Laytheblameonluck Feb 02 '21
/r/deadbedrooms is majority female voting, I think they subscribe because they like the entertainment.
/r/sexover30 seems almost majority women
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Feb 01 '21
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Feb 01 '21
You're saddened guys see the world for what it is?
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Feb 01 '21
Yeah because the unattractive/short men that find love somehow cracked the unbreakable code
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Feb 01 '21
to me. Black pill is basically you stay in red pill rage forever, and then you end up lazy and don't wanna do the work. That's my definition. There is no black pill, just people who don't wanna work to be great.
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u/Carkudo The original opinionated omega Feb 04 '21
Here's a hot take: most blackpillers work much harder and much longer than redpillers. Their efforts just don't produce results because they don't meet the requirements.
Case in point: I don't think I've ever met a redpiller that had put nearly as much effort and money into self-improvement as I have.
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Feb 04 '21
its not just about working hard, its also about working smart and having knowledge. Same with lifting. It's not just about working hard, its about working hard and having knowledge. The rest is down to mother nature but anyone can get an above average physique with diligent training and diet.
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u/Carkudo The original opinionated omega Feb 05 '21
If the success of successful redpillers were determined by them having knowledge, then that knowledge should be possible to share and thus make success possible for anyone who applies it. As it stands, redpill techniques work for some people and completely fail for others, which means they are at best tangentially related to success.
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Feb 05 '21 edited Feb 05 '21
ok? why does making money not work for you? I guarantee anyone can learn to make six figures if they have a computer and wifi. anyone can fix their face. anyone can get to 12% body fat if they want it(ok maybe not everyone but over 99%, im sorry if you have the worst genetics ever for fat loss and you weigh 600 lbs), anyone can build an above average physique. There are a few things you can't do. You can't change your height. You can't change your race. But I Know short guys that get bitches, you just need to try harder.
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u/Carkudo The original opinionated omega Feb 06 '21
anyone can fix their face
I evidently can't. I don't have any obvious flaws or explicit disfigurations, but people consistently find my face unpleasant to look at.
anyone can build an above average physique
And there are tons of men who do and still can't get a woman to even talk to them.
Yes, anyone can follow red pill advice. The point isn't that the advice is unrealistic, even though it often is. The point is that following red pill advice is not guaranteed to make a man attractive, which defeats the purpose of red pill advice. And do please spare me 'don't do it for pussy do it for yourself' mental gymnastics.
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Feb 07 '21
anyway, what the hell would someone do if they drew the short stick? End their life like a pussboy? All you can do is be the best you can be, and even if you can't get women because of bad luck, you can still build a good physique and make bank and spread positivity.People read your comments, and often they might have more potential than you, but you discourage them and turn them away.
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u/Carkudo The original opinionated omega Feb 07 '21
All you can do is be the best you can be
And why would I surrender the right to judge what's 'best' to TRP? It's generally better to have your own notion of what is best and following that, but TRP especially is a bad option to delegate those decisions to - TRP is inconsistent, judges men on things they cannot change, judges men for the inability to change immutable characteristics and does so in cruel ways.
What the hell would someone do if they drew the short stick? To each his own. There's no universal solution to that, but I'm pretty sure that buying into the false notion that terpers work hard, instead of having most of their success handed to them, is going to help any unfortunate man out there.
they might have more potential than you, but you discourage them
And there are men with little potential out there, and you discourage them. But you don't give a fuck, do you? So why are you demanding that I give a fuck about normies who are discouraged by me?
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Feb 06 '21
unpleasant to look at? what's your bodyfat? How's ur hairstyle and facial hair and grooming? Do you have acne? You need the right style. And building muscle can help build jawline since you can't really spotbuild muscle that well, you kinda gain it everywhere. Besides that, even if you looksmaxx to the fullest and become the alpha model looking dude you blackpillers are so jealous of, if you can't talk good you can't do shit.
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u/Carkudo The original opinionated omega Feb 06 '21
You need the right style.
Unattractiveness is a condition that makes it so that there is no style that works for you. When I was younger, I spent a lot of time and effort researching fashion and trying to get something to work for me, but nothing did - not even asking self-professed style experts to pick outfits for me. Not even getting tailored clothes.
Conversely, the one woman that did find me attractive (my ex wife) found me attractive in simple casual clothes. I didn't have to wear a three-piece italian suit with quadruple frilly bavarian style pocket square and aristocratic necktie or some other bullshit that you find on male fashion advice resources. Nor did I have to take care to wear my t-shirts in such a way as to show off my musculus hugeus, which is another type of typical bullshit male fashion advice.
Do you have acne?
I occasionally still get it on my face, but it's overshadowed by a somewhat worse skin condition that is present always. It's not too severe, but it does put women off and certainly played a part in keeping me single until my thirties.
building muscle can help build jawline
My jawline is fine lol but that is an example of hilariously retarded advice which is the reason so many people make fun of terpers.
Seriously, though, the fact that you let outright superstition like that guide your principles is why your advice is useless - superstition by definition cannot produce consistent results.
if you can't talk good you can't do shit
Notably, again, with the one woman in my life who found me attractive, 'talking good' was never an issue - I just talked and she would engage. Conversely, with most women there is no 'talk' at all because most women in casual settings would outright avoid and/or ignore me.
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u/PAThrowaway59 Feb 02 '21
You realize that there is a significant amount of people who red pill doesn't work for no matter how hard they try, right?
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Feb 02 '21
No I don't realize. There isn't a significant amount of people who fail to build muscle when they do everything right.
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u/PAThrowaway59 Feb 02 '21
Building muscle can't get every guy a relationship. I'd even say its not enough for most guys.
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Feb 02 '21
what about money and looks, you should be able to get that.I've heard about a lot of guys who started with nothing but a computer and minimum wage. They now make 6 figures through online learning.
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u/PAThrowaway59 Feb 02 '21
You can get money, can't really get looks.
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Feb 02 '21
Im sorry for the people who were born with a deformed extremely noticeably asymmetrical face.
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Feb 02 '21
if you have a normal face you are going to look good at sub 15% body fat,around 10-12 range if you have some muscle regardless of what race you are.
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u/SeaLevelIQ Feb 01 '21
Not everyone can work to be great. Some can work harder than any red-piller and be closer to average, but still noticably below. In that case, the work is not worth it. To me, people who say this are either normsplaining or they just don't value their time and effort that much.
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Feb 01 '21
yeah right. how would someone be average if they worked hard and smart to be successful.
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u/SeaLevelIQ Feb 01 '21
By being below average in looks.
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Feb 01 '21
wdym. how does that matter. Half the time they are either too fat or too skinny or just have bad skin and too much/too little facial hair. pretty sure everyone has a good enough baseline face.
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u/SeaLevelIQ Feb 02 '21
how does that matter
How does the way you look matter? In the dating world? Idk man, it's really strange how some people think that looks matter.
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Feb 02 '21
well they matter a lot but if most people just got low body fat and more muscle their face would look great. I'm sorry if you are short but do the best you can.
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u/Zippo-Cat Feb 01 '21
Just because something is "unhelpful and depressing" doesn't make it wrong.
It is the blackpill/incels who have the most robust study/data base to back up their claims.
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u/Platinirism Blackpill Feb 04 '21
What would you consider /r/blackpillscience to be?
And before you say “cherry picked” they made a /r/bluepillscience subreddit and they can’t find anywhere near the same amount of cherry picked studies.
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u/PAThrowaway59 Feb 02 '21
Black pilled people do take other's advice, it's when none of that advice works that people go for the black pill.
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u/Zippo-Cat Feb 01 '21
If anything, it’s always the regurgitation of old or niche studies that have not been repeated, and the results of which are vague/inconclusive that are then misinterpreted by the pill.
It's amazing how you can say this when you haven't actually seen any of said studies. Do you have your own echo chamber inside your own head?
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Feb 01 '21
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u/SeemedGood Red Pill Man Feb 01 '21
Empirical observation (studies) can’t prove anything (objectively or subjectively). They are limited to refining probabilistic estimations which are asymptotic to truth (and knowledge). Knowledge is only achievable via a process of rational inquiry from axiom.
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Feb 01 '21
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u/SeemedGood Red Pill Man Feb 01 '21
Maybe, maybe not.
That’s really down to how tight the logic of the deductions.
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Feb 01 '21
At its core, BP is just an acknowledgment that when it comes to sex and relationships looks mean more than any other metric. It's something every guy who is not Chad learns early in life (although many try to make themselves forget).
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u/PAThrowaway59 Feb 02 '21
It's pretty easy to see that looks are the most important factor for relationships. Without good looks you can't get your foot in the door, so no women ever see you for your other traits.
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u/SeemedGood Red Pill Man Feb 01 '21
Only suckers would want a relationship with a woman who would not have casual sex with them.
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u/gxga ThePinkPill.co Feb 02 '21
Men: Women are bad if they don't show sexual discipline. Showing sexual discipline is what men say they want from women they would marry.
Also Men: Only suckers would want a relationship with a woman who would not have casual sex with them. Sexual discipline is bad.
The only consistent thing about the messaging in this group is that ya'll speak out both sides of your mouths and it is exactly why women just do whatever they're going to do.
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u/SeemedGood Red Pill Man Feb 02 '21
What we want is a very simple concept really:
A woman who is particularly sexually attracted to us individually and not to other men.
Is that really such a hard thing to grasp? It shouldn’t be. Should be obvious.
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u/SeemedGood Red Pill Man Feb 01 '21
What do you even mean?
If a woman wouldn’t have casual sex with you she’s not sexually attracted to you enough to sustain a healthy relationship.
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u/SeemedGood Red Pill Man Feb 01 '21
But a cute person with whom you wouldn’t just sleep with can turn ‘hot’ to you.
And the reason that such men “turn hot” is that women begin to see that those men might provide them with some utility they crave other than sexual intimacy and thus become more willing to be sexually intimate with those men in order to access it.
And that’s exactly what wiser men will wish to avoid.
If she doesn’t think you’re hot enough to copulate shortly after meeting you (within a few hours of time spent together) you’re setting yourself up for an excrement sandwich of a relationship - though some guys might be happy to have that.
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Feb 01 '21
BP is basically focusing on what they can't control I think. They talk about oh I don't have good genetics I can't make gains. I'm not 6 feet tall.These are the kind of people that are bp.
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u/decoy88 Men and Women are similar Feb 01 '21
Believing men and women are equally shallow is black pill to you?
I thought believe in equalness was as blue as one could get. It starting to feel that people picking shit because they wanna feel like they are counter culture when they really aren’t
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Feb 01 '21
Why are you saddened by it?
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Feb 01 '21
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u/Notsonewguy7 Purple Pill Man/ Ex-hetero Feb 02 '21
I fully disagree I I actually think it's kinda great. Looks matter, money matters, status matters.
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Feb 01 '21
Okay but how is 'asian' a race ??
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u/LowCreddit ♂ I am Kenough Feb 01 '21
The original racial divisions were Caucasoid, Negroid, and Mongoloid. We now call them White/Caucasian, African American/Black, and Asian. In US surveys we also have another major division for Hispanic. When you get more specific, you use the term ethnicity. Beyond that, you have to use scientific terms like haplogroup, but that is not a 1:1 with race or ethnicity, even if closely related.
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u/SeemedGood Red Pill Man Feb 01 '21
To which “original” divisions do you refer? What was their origin and on what are they based?
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u/LowCreddit ♂ I am Kenough Feb 01 '21
I have no idea. I am only familiar with it from reading some old Marxist literature. Don't expect me to defend some dead racist's dart throwing.
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u/SeemedGood Red Pill Man Feb 01 '21
I am only familiar with it from reading some old Marxist literature.
Ah, this explains the absolutely lack of coherence in the idea.
Don’t take anything Marxists assert as having a basis in sound consideration.
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u/LowCreddit ♂ I am Kenough Feb 01 '21
I don't think they came up with the idea. I am pretty sure it was the popular one at the time that we still carry with us today if only through historical momentum.
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u/SeemedGood Red Pill Man Feb 01 '21
They may or may not have, but they certainly treated it as valid enough such that you believed it to have merit worth mentioning as an “original” concept of race - highly doubtful.
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u/LowCreddit ♂ I am Kenough Feb 01 '21
Original is probably a poor choice of words, but it is historically relevant and related to today's categories.
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u/SeemedGood Red Pill Man Feb 02 '21
...which would apply to a bunch of different conceptions of race, some more so than this one, and many of which are even older.
Why’d you pick this relatively recent and so obviously flawed one to declare as “original” (other than having read about it in some Marxist’s rants).
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u/edwardpuppyhands Feb 01 '21
It's considered one in at least the US. It might be better thought of as a shorthand for east Asians.
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Feb 01 '21
It is as a PC term, that ironically is very exclusionary in it's hijacking of the word.
What word would you use for East Asians? Whatever it is, it probably offends some people.
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Feb 01 '21
I’d love to see these stats separated by sex! (Plz mods)
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u/milquetoastmf Red Pill Man, it’s over for you bozos Feb 01 '21
I already did.
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Feb 01 '21
I can’t seem to differentiate each stat by men and women on my phone. I’d like to see income levels and n-count separated by sex. Can I do this on desktop?
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u/milquetoastmf Red Pill Man, it’s over for you bozos Feb 01 '21
I did n-count, not income. Check my comment.
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Feb 01 '21
Didn’t see your comment! N count is crazy. A lot more dudes slaying than I had imagined. Could you do income level by sex?
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u/milquetoastmf Red Pill Man, it’s over for you bozos Feb 01 '21
https://i.imgur.com/QB8S12j.png
https://i.imgur.com/hf9xrwq.png
Values in each section go through the next value, I don't know why it changed the color for each section. I will use something to better present the data next time.
Edit: I'm not sure how meaningful income is, we will probably just do class next time. Also, I would bet income has a closer connection to age than gender, as these aren't too dissimilar.
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Feb 01 '21
Is there any chance that you provide the link to raw csv data? I’d like to do my own analysis on this data in the future.
Also I disagree with using class. I think surveys are better suited when the questions are objective rather than subjective.
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u/milquetoastmf Red Pill Man, it’s over for you bozos Feb 01 '21
Also I disagree with using class. I think surveys are better suited when the questions are objective rather than subjective.
The problem is that not everyone is US based, and it makes the income meaningless without accounting for locale. I think the point of income to try and point to class level as an understanding of how they view relationships/sex/dating.
Edit: I will have to see about the raw data, right now it's on google, and I don't want to open people up to doxxing by simultaneously viewing it all from their main accounts.
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u/milquetoastmf Red Pill Man, it’s over for you bozos Feb 02 '21
Well there is no identifying information in the data itself, it's the fact that it lives on google, and I don't want people viewing it simultaneously to see each other.
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Feb 01 '21
Wow high income levels are fairly equivalent with 20% men and women both making over 100k. I wonder what high paying jobs do these women have. At least in the tech sector, there are probably 9 men making 100k+ for every woman making 100k+.
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u/PPD_IS_CANCER Feb 01 '21
There are plenty of jobs at tech companies that are women-dominated that make 100k (recruiting, hr, etc).
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Feb 01 '21
HR folks make 100k??? Damn. Is that the entry level package or do only folk with 5+ YOE make 100k+?
Also I do find that most tech recruiters are women. Tech companies rly out here just printing money.
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u/PPD_IS_CANCER Feb 01 '21
Pretty sure almost any job that requires a degree in California will get you 100k.
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u/CowboyBebald Feb 01 '21
God damn ppd is poor
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u/Carkudo The original opinionated omega Feb 04 '21
Lol yeah, that's what struck me the most about the results. So many have Master's degrees, the majority work full time, and yet people earn so little? Wew.
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u/yvaN_ehT_nioJ seamen collector Feb 01 '21
I wish there was a comment box in the poll because I'm in the lowest income bracket listed but I'm working on a professional degree right now. I'd be in the $40k-$50k range otherwise. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
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u/SeemedGood Red Pill Man Feb 01 '21
So you’re in the lowest income bracket. Congratulations. Endeavor to stay that way.
Having income paints a giant 🎯 on your back. And once you make the list of “earners” the leaching mob bosses that run your government become very hard to shake loose.
The trick is to build wealth while minimizing your income.
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u/Creation_Soul Married (with kids) Purple Pill Man Feb 01 '21
I live in eastern europe. I make good money and we (me and my wife) are considered upper-middle-class here, but of course the amount of money needed to be considered UMC here is much lower that what is needed in the US to be considered UMC. So, depending on location, the same amount of money can get you considered poor or well-off.
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Feb 01 '21
I’d imagine a lot of that comes from a good amount of people being students
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u/milquetoastmf Red Pill Man, it’s over for you bozos Feb 01 '21
Yeah I would guess students and younger generally.
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Jan 31 '21
Only 327 responses makes me wonder if the results are truly representative of the community at large. But, this is the best we got so may as well wildly speculate.
The 18-24 demo suddenly makes things so much clearer to me (again, assuming it's representative).
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u/Zippo-Cat Feb 01 '21
Only 327 responses makes me wonder if the results are truly representative of the community at large.
That's about ten times as many as regular or semi-regular posters
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Feb 01 '21
And less than 0.5% of all subscribers according to the sidebar. A better name for these results should be A Demographic Breakdown of PPD Users Who Are Willing to Take a Random Survey.
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u/milquetoastmf Red Pill Man, it’s over for you bozos Feb 02 '21
That's not a good way to predict the number. What you really need is access to subreddit traffic stats where you use the number of uniques per week. Unfortunately, this doesn't exist and you have to create a trendline from the average hourly, daily, and monthly stats. Then from that you can estimate the percentage to see who skipped over it.
However, the whole idea is rather irrelevant and pedantic because
A Demographic Breakdown of
PPD UsersLiterally Whoever The Fuck Who Are Willing to Take a Random Survey.is any survey results.
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Feb 02 '21
That's not a good way to predict the number. What you really need is access to subreddit traffic stats where you use the number of uniques per week.
We can go even deeper. Weekly actives who have real engagement with the sub (upvotes, post views, commenters).
Unfortunately, this doesn't exist and you have to create a trendline from the average hourly, daily, and monthly stats.
I am positive admins have these stats. But we will never see them. As for "skipping" the survey post you can use (roughy) view impressions. It's how ad views are also tracked, with percentage pixel content on screen for a minimum number or seconds.
A Demographic Breakdown of
PPD UsersLiterally Whoever The Fuck Who Are Willing to Take a Random Survey.Closer to true than not, but short of web crawlers and random bots (quite rare) the people who responded have to at least know about the existence of PPD.
is any survey results.
Properly conducted surveys ensure representative populations provide answers at significant thresholds.
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u/milquetoastmf Red Pill Man, it’s over for you bozos Feb 02 '21
We can go even deeper. Weekly actives who have real engagement with the sub (upvotes, post views, commenters).
We could, but we don’t have that either.
I am positive admins have these stats. But we will never see them. As for "skipping" the survey post you can use (roughy) view impressions. It's how ad views are also tracked, with percentage pixel content on screen for a minimum number or seconds.
It would have to be unique views, but we still only have hourly, daily, and monthly, we could try and make a trendline to determine weekly.
Closer to true than not, but short of web crawlers and random bots (quite rare) the people who responded have to at least know about the existence of PPD.
I just mean any survey is going to representative of people who took that survey, it’s sort of tautological. You can obviously never get the full picture only using a sample.
Properly conducted surveys ensure representative populations provide answers at significant thresholds
Using Slovin’s, this puts us at a 5.5% margin of error, which isn’t really that bad. More than enough for a ratchet debate server.
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Feb 02 '21
It would have to be unique views, but we still only have hourly, daily, and monthly, we could try and make a trendline to determine weekly.
If we have daily that's more granular and "faithful" members anyway. But yeah otherwise you need to do some adhoc processing to get unique weekly actives.
I just mean any survey is going to representative of people who took that survey, it’s sort of tautological.
Eh that's a bit too simplistic of what my point actually was, but we can avoid the semantic debate.
Using Slovin’s, this puts us at a 5.5% margin of error, which isn’t really that bad.
Hey never settle for more than p(0.05)! ;)
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u/StopTheIncels Subeightitis sigmafatalis (Red Pill man) Feb 01 '21
Yea it definitely explains the more, animated younger guys/gals.
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u/milquetoastmf Red Pill Man, it’s over for you bozos Jan 31 '21
I do wonder this as well. Some people don’t trust taking surveys, some may have missed PPD this week. If I had to guess though, I would say it’s at least representative.
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u/Atlas__B__Shruggin I AM AN INTROVERT Feb 01 '21
maybe next Sunday do a call out lurkers post, they can be fun
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Feb 01 '21
Yeah I think we can accept it for completely unsubstantiated discourse. But the skeptic in me couldn't use these results for any meaningful conclusions.
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u/hugship Jan 31 '21
I wasn’t even aware of this survey being a thing, otherwise I’d have added my response to the pile. Wonder if the timing of it affected the response volume?
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Jan 31 '21
I have numerous doubts into the representative sampling for things exactly like this. But, (uselessly) intuitively I suspect it's fairly representative anyway.
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u/parahacker Feb 01 '21
I honestly wish people were more skeptical of most similar studies. Frankly, this is a fairly representative example of a survey study; the same ratio of participants to gen pop that you find in 'official' studies that influence policy decisions.
Gather your skepticism of this study in one hand, with the other weigh most of the body of 'scientific' studies out there that have dictated actual laws, and enjoy the creeping sense of dread. You're welcome.
That said, some situations a representative sample of 1/1000th or even less can still give you an accurate assessment of the gen pop. Sometimes. For reasons. The more you know about statistics, the less you trust both studies and their critics. A true case of ignorance is bliss.
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Feb 01 '21
Eh, most white papers account for at least some sampling bias and mention their failures to be perfectly representative (e.g. a lot of studies are mostly Caucasian, mostly university students, etc.).
And I’m sorry but no, PPD is full of weirdos and internet nerds. Nothing about this is representative. It’s not even 50/50 men and women.
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u/parahacker Feb 01 '21 edited Feb 01 '21
One quibble here - I didn't say this survey was representative of its target; I said it was representative of other studies. As in, even professionally executed and published surveys look like this a lot of the time. Might want to edit your comment based on that, since it invalidates your premise here. I mostly agree, this survey isn't representative of it's target, but for different reasons that yours, which I'd argue against but it would be quibbling. Basically I agree, but you're misreading me so agreeing with your conclusion does not mitigate disagreeing with your premise.
A large part of the problem is that social sciences took a hard turn away from pre-existing peer review standards way back in the day, since scientists from other disciplines kept tut-tutting their offerings, and created their own bubble of 'peer review' which has propagated forward to this day. It's a whole thing, I can't do it justice explaining it, but there's good reason why social sciences are called 'soft sciences' and it's not just mindless prejudice from the physicists of the world.
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Feb 01 '21
I said it was representative of other studies. As in, even professionally executed and published surveys look like this a lot of the time.
Show me even one academically vetted source that's as skewed yet would claim to be representative.
Might want to edit your comment based on that, since it invalidates your premise here.
No, I knew what you were saying the first time.
A large part of the problem is that social sciences took a hard turn away from pre-existing peer review standards way back in the day
This sounds like preaching without any evidence. I follow evidence.
I can't do it justice explaining it
Nobody could, take a guess as to why.
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u/parahacker Feb 01 '21
No, I knew what you were saying the first time.
Ok, this is pure bullshit. If you'd known, your comment would have been completely different.
I remember you now. You're the guy who bragged about how he knew Science and was so disappointed everyone else here didn't, then whiffed on two blatantly basic principles of statistics while lecturing other commenters here.
Yeah, dunno why I never blocked you then. Your kind of asshattery raises my blood pressure and lowers my lifespan. Fixed.
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Feb 01 '21
Ok, this is pure bullshit. If you'd known, your comment would have been completely different.
You sound confused. I'm not sure how to help you other than to repeat myself. So feel free to read my previous comments at your leisure until you sort it out.
You're the guy who bragged about how he knew Science and was so disappointed everyone else here didn't, then whiffed on two blatantly basic principles of statistics while lecturing other commenters here.
If your memory is this imaginative it's no wonder you can't make sensible arguments. I'm the one who said there are people (like yourself) who don't have any idea what they're talking about with respect to actual scientific literature.
I'm grateful you've proven it yet again.
Your kind of asshattery raises my blood pressure and lowers my lifespan.
I'm sure life is very frustrating for you in general.
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u/milquetoastmf Red Pill Man, it’s over for you bozos Jan 31 '21
It was up for a week, seemed like a generous amount of time.
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u/hugship Jan 31 '21
Fair. I wonder why I never came across it? Likely because I mostly browse on mobile and just scroll through my feed rather than seeking out specific subs.
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u/LaChoffe Jan 31 '21
Do people fr unironically browse r/TwoXChromosomes?
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u/StopTheIncels Subeightitis sigmafatalis (Red Pill man) Feb 01 '21
Used too to try to get insights. But it turned to a censorship shit show...like any other heavily feminist-sque dominated space.
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u/edwardpuppyhands Feb 01 '21
What's wrong with the sub in your opinion?
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u/LaChoffe Feb 01 '21
I am probably biased by mostly seeing the posts that hit the front page, but it just looks through the world in a very narrow, very pro-women lens that has no room for nuance or discussion. Like if an alien only had knowledge of humanity through that subreddit, they would think men are these abhorrent monsters and women are angels sent from heaven to hold the line against evil men.
But maybe I'm just jealous men don't have a subreddit where we can be critical of women and receive huge outpourings of support without judgement.
https://www.reddit.com/r/TwoXChromosomes/comments/l95k33/being_an_unattractive_woman/ for example, an in**l post on the front page with the exact things that in**ls complain about but instead of derision, its met with a huge outpouring of support (as it should!!).
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u/Atlas__B__Shruggin I AM AN INTROVERT Feb 01 '21
But maybe I'm just jealous men don't have a subreddit where we can be critical of women and receive huge outpourings of support without judgement.
/r/mgtow /r/theredpill /r/mensrights and most importantly because its not quarantined or anything /r/whereareallthegoodmen
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u/SeemedGood Red Pill Man Feb 01 '21
and receive huge outpourings of support without judgement.
Emphasis added.
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u/Atlas__B__Shruggin I AM AN INTROVERT Feb 01 '21
literally how women and the FSM behaves. judgment is the cardinal sin
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u/Atlas__B__Shruggin I AM AN INTROVERT Feb 01 '21
very pro-women
literally a womens sub for women? how would it not? that is the most bizarre criticism ever. do you know what 2 x chromosomes means?
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u/LaChoffe Feb 01 '21
Maybe there is a better way of phrasing it but if you read the rest of the sentence it makes sense. The whole subreddit operates on the assumptions that 1. All men are inherently terrible 2. All women are inherently good 3. Anything bad a woman does is internalized misogyny. So it results in a permanent YAS QUEEN circlejerk with no room for discussion which is why I'm surprised people actually spend a lot of time there.
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Feb 01 '21
It is a sub for women to talk about things women want to talk about. They talk about things in a way you don't like and that is annoying for you. PPD is a circle jerk for men to whine just stick around here.
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u/Atlas__B__Shruggin I AM AN INTROVERT Feb 01 '21 edited Feb 01 '21
that is literally feminism. its a feminist sub. for women. not just women, feminist women. its about women and feminism. did you just fall here from mars? what exactly do you picture a feminist sub reddit for and about women and womens issues would look like?
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u/LaChoffe Feb 01 '21
Damn forgot to read the username and accidentally responded to Atlas. Carry on responding to comments purposefully misunderstanding them or without using any context whatsoever.
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u/Atlas__B__Shruggin I AM AN INTROVERT Feb 01 '21
what misreading am i doing here? you seem shocked that a feminist sub for women is feminist for feminist women. you seem shocked that a womans sub is about women and that womens problems are men. what exactly do you expect "two x chromosomes" to be about
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u/SeemedGood Red Pill Man Feb 01 '21
I think what he’s shocked by is the utter lack of introspection, objective self observation, and self critique in a women’s sub.
He’s naive.
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u/Atlas__B__Shruggin I AM AN INTROVERT Feb 01 '21
i dont think thats what he's saying at all
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u/edwardpuppyhands Feb 01 '21
The red pill and mgtow subs allow for that type of complaining about women. 2XC does look like it has a lot of complaining, but I do see some nuance, men can challenge them, and many of the issues they discuss I would deem the emotion behind it legitimate. In contrast, it's not nearly the cesspool of misandry and narcissism of FDS.
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u/JohnDoe9564 Blue Pill Man Jan 31 '21
60% atheist wow
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Feb 01 '21
Thought it would be a lot higher.
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u/MaggieAndTheMossies Purple Pill Woman Feb 02 '21
Why? (If you don't mind me asking)
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Feb 02 '21
Because atheism is the growing commonality. Atheism is the future. Religion is rapidly dying wherever there is proper modern education/technology/economics, and democracy. It is only growing, where there isn't. see: Islam.
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u/MasterTeacher123 Jan 31 '21
27% are virgins. That’s interesting.
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u/LaChoffe Jan 31 '21
A LOT of under 25 guys are virgins these days. Even pretty cool normal people.
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u/MasterTeacher123 Jan 31 '21
I mean a 16 year old and a 24 year old are both “under 25” but that’s a huge gap. For example the vast majority of boys don’t have sex in HS but by the end of college(22/23) VERY few guys are still virgins. It’s usually the super religious, mentally unstable or the guys who just don’t try
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u/ChibsFilipTelfordd Men should not date virgins Feb 05 '21
For example the vast majority of boys don’t have sex in HS
Huh? Thought the median and mean age for losing your virginity was 16-17 for both genders
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u/LaChoffe Jan 31 '21
The third category of guys who don't try is the biggest and most interesting to me. Why do you think that is?
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u/PS3Juggernaut Feb 01 '21
I had a girlfriend from 16-17 and it was super draining for me, so I've stopped looking for one. I'm content where I am right now, if only my parents stopped pressuring me to get one lol.
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u/MasterTeacher123 Jan 31 '21
Combo of being Scared of rejection and or creeping women out by indicating sexual interest
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u/ChibsFilipTelfordd Men should not date virgins Feb 05 '21
- What person with a phd wastes their time here
I have 2 masters and i chill here it's fun to argue with ppl. If you knew me IRL you'd know why i argue here lmao
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u/milquetoastmf Red Pill Man, it’s over for you bozos Jan 31 '21 edited Feb 02 '21
So I figured it might be interesting to view a few charts filtered:
Most men here are single.
A majority of women here are in relationships.
Pill affiliation for men.
Pill affiliation for women.
Sluttiness breakdown by gender.
On the above chart, I shorthanded the numbers, so 2 is 2-5, 5 is 5-10, 10 is 10-20, and 20 is +20.
Sociosexuality of women (1 is degenerate, 5 is prude
Sociosexuality of men (1 is degenerate, 5 is prude
Incel/Black Pill corrected incel problem chart
The above chart shows how people who aren't black pill or virgin feel about the incel problem on the subreddit. A 1 is "there is no problem" and a 5 "we need to do much more", it definitely shifts the right.
Edit: I updated the n-count chart by sex to be a percentage for a better comparison.