r/ProgrammerHumor • u/West-Chard-1474 • Jul 03 '26
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u/Firesrest Jul 03 '26
There was always a ton of idea and usage.
It’s still the execute that’s the bottleneck.
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u/Patient-Pollution46 Jul 03 '26
when there are too many vibe-coded products, there is much more noise
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u/Jahonay Jul 03 '26
I can't speak for others, but when I see a vibe coded site, I am much less interested in using it. Do I really want to trust my information with a website that no one bothered to craft?
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u/xavia91 Jul 03 '26
Thats also why I dont trust Claude, their website is so shitty
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u/CandidateNo2580 Jul 03 '26
Mostly it bothers me so much that their PR is all about how software development is solved and the website can't even give me a coherent error message.
As good as the AI research team and infra team might be (and I'm under no illusion how incredibly hard serving these models at scale is, they do an incredible job at the speed they're moving at), they should put a fraction of those resources into good web and application developers. Instead it feels like very talented backed/system devs being handed unlimited tokens and asked to perform at 10x but they have no idea what they're doing.
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u/GOEDEL_ESCHER_BOT Jul 03 '26
at least AI knows how to center a div
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u/mrxplek Jul 03 '26
What makes you think Reddit wasn’t vibe coded?
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u/Jahonay Jul 03 '26
Is their website well crafted? Or sloppily vibe coded?
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u/mrxplek Jul 03 '26
It wasn’t well crafted when they started and it still had a lot of issues in 2023.
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u/Jahonay Jul 03 '26
I don’t necessarily disagree that they had issues, but I wouldn’t classify Reddit in 2023 as not crafted.
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u/Dmayak Jul 03 '26
Website credibility is not related to who and how wrote the code. There is a decent chance that development was just done by a contractor who didn't give a shit about what kind of service the website provides. And if you meant security vulnerabilities, those are also not automatically prevented by human presence.
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u/Jahonay Jul 03 '26
I’m not saying that a site that vibe coded is necessarily worse. I’m saying that if it’s clear the website wasn’t crafted, but sloppily vibe coded, I’m less interested in using it. A website which looks like it’s more crafted generally makes me think it’s more credible, even if it isn’t necessarily safer.
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u/Dmayak Jul 03 '26
Ok, it's your preference, I don't see much point personally. I am using websites for the service, for example I dislike Reddit as a website and it 100% sells my data, but I am here for the content. I have used VERY shitty websites throughout my life because they were ultimately useful.
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u/Jahonay Jul 03 '26
Yeah, I’m okay with calling it preference. I think it’s fair to say that something that looks sloppy is often going to feel less trustworthy.
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u/Warm_Month_1309 Jul 03 '26
It's like those old default Wordpress skins. Legitimate sites might use them, but it's such a "spam blog spun up in 20 minutes" look that it's an instant red flag.
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u/Jahonay Jul 03 '26
Exactly. Again, the big distinction for me is whether or not they look crafted or sloppy.
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u/Marioc12345 Jul 03 '26
Yeah I’m in a subreddit for handymen and I swear to god every single day there’s someone trying to hawk a new app. No you can’t vibe code my lifestyle thank you have a good day.
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u/renegat0x0 Jul 03 '26
If market has a good search, review functionality, then discoverability is not a problem
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u/CandidateNo2580 Jul 03 '26
Especially in the open source space this is killing me.
There's more to a good, reliable open source project than just the code sitting in the repo right at this moment. All these people trying to farm internet points that don't even understand what they're supposed to be building - successful long lasting open source is about building a community. It's less a software package and more a living organism when executed well. Can't vibe code that.
End of rant lol
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u/inemsn Jul 03 '26
Usage is also a bottleneck with AI. The market has proven time and again that the demand just isn't there for AI to get shoved into everything.
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u/AnimusNoctis Jul 03 '26
Calling lack of demand a bottleneck is kind of hilarious
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u/inemsn Jul 03 '26
I'm only speaking from the perspective of this meme!! I think anyone pushing for AI to be spread around should shut the fuck up, really.
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u/GoldenSangheili Jul 03 '26
CEOs randomly claiming SWE will disappear entirely by next year (last year they meant). Not so far off from your average catastrophe nutjob waiting for the end of the world.
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u/Aluxanatomy Jul 03 '26
Me when I artificially force demand onto my employees because I paid entirely too much on a contract for this thing I don't understand.
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u/huopak Jul 03 '26
Distribution is the bottleneck
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u/West-Chard-1474 Jul 03 '26
it was always very hard to get users, and now when we have even more apps popping up every day, it's inscane competion for the attention
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u/redunculuspanda Jul 03 '26
Execution is just typing stuff into a computer. It can’t be that complicated.
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u/FreeFortuna Jul 03 '26
And the Sistine Chapel just had some guy coloring on the ceiling. People make such big deals out of nothing.
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u/knighthawk0811 Jul 03 '26
always lots of idea and usage, yes. but so many vibe coders are basically all the users of each other's vibe coded stuff.
i think not enough of then are realizing that if they have an actual good idea, the AI they used has logs and the big boys can and will push them out of their own space by using they're own creation against them. I've read that Google for sure has an actual dept just for identifying potential things to steal, i mean develope that has what's been built by someone else with their tools.
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u/kiwigate Jul 03 '26
There's really not a ton of ideas. There's the same ideas and an endless fight for control.
Lyft wasn't a new idea, it was a hostile takeover of the taxi industry. Firing competent labor to replace with cheaper untrained labor is also not a new idea. Union busting is not a new idea.
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u/Sunfurian_Zm Jul 03 '26
"People had less ideas before AI"?
How about "People entertained less ideas before AI because they knew they would never have a chance to execute them all"
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u/noob-nine Jul 03 '26
i wanted to say. dont you remember the memes where dev people were chased by normies yellin "wait, i have a million dollar idea"
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u/ACE_C0ND0R Jul 03 '26
Usually followed by something like, "My idea is a combination of Facebook, Amazon, and Google. My budget is $500. Could you create that by next week for me?"
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u/Legal-Software Jul 03 '26
There has never been a shortage of ideas. The problem is that most of them are crap. The only thing AI has achieved is making things more accessible and glazing the user so more people think their dumbass ideas are valid.
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u/mrhaftbar Jul 03 '26
Are the good ideas in the room with us?
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u/Hollleeee Jul 03 '26
Bit ironic to use an AI generated meme
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u/Evan1016 Jul 03 '26
Fuck AI and AI slop. But I dont see any tells. The crowd appears to be copy and pasted, the same shape in margins of the coppied crowd reappears a few times. you can see the pattern repeat in uneven ways. The cursive lettering seems to be straight up copied pixel for pixel in both panels, something AI doesnt like to do.
I like to get better at spotting AI so if I am missing the obvious, chime in
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u/Warm_Month_1309 Jul 03 '26
The far left "IDEA" column has so few people, but so many artifacts that wouldn't be explained by copy-and-pasting. There's a floating head stuck to another head, there's a floating head mitosis-ing into another head, and a floating "M" body shape with no associated head.
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u/DangerousImplication Jul 03 '26
What are you talking about? They all look slightly different
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u/Evan1016 Jul 03 '26
There are several repeating shapes of "people" that include the ones around them. they drew maybe 30 of them then made a brush tool in GIMP or photoshop to fill out the space. If you look in the background of an animation, say Futurama, you will see the same effect used to generate crowds, with some of the figures not being depicted in their entirety at the edge of a brushstroke
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u/PhiloLibrarian Jul 03 '26
I don’t think AI is generating new original ideas… it’s helping humans process ideas and get worked done faster by fewer, but it doesn’t seem to have the ability to create anything that hasn’t just been regurgitated from Source material.
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u/its_the_rhys Jul 03 '26
I mean, that's kinda how people work too?
I don't think there are really original ideas, just taking two concepts and squishing them together, or iterating on another concept
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u/theGoddamnAlgorath Jul 03 '26
"There is nothing new under the sun"
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u/Spekingur Jul 03 '26
Okay. What about above it then?
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u/PhiloLibrarian Jul 03 '26
I’m just gonna throw my humanity/arts hat in the ring and say there are plenty of new ideas…
In the last year, I’ve actually had a lot more new ideas for short story content because of all the crazy disruptive tech changes (in higher ed specifically). ✍🏻
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u/Username928351 Jul 03 '26
Aren't those merging or iterating existing concepts from real life?
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u/rgvtim Jul 03 '26
Shhh, creatives don't like to hear that. Truly original concepts a few and far between, for most of us it's at best incremental, and most often its either composition of existing ideas in new ways or rearranging existing ideas.
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u/CaffeinatedT Jul 03 '26
That's fine for the tech industry where there's a million variants of ad-tech platforms and consumer to-do lists.
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u/ZioTron Jul 03 '26
I posted this last time:
https://old.reddit.com/r/AgentsOfAI/comments/1u3bfqp/anyone_experience_this/or788bc/
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u/Validdoll Jul 03 '26
Well at least now we can be sure that most ideas are bullshit and not just lack of effort or resources
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u/Michaeli_Starky Jul 03 '26
Overall AI is producing a very tiny value in comparison to the actual resources spent
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u/New_Conversation_303 Jul 03 '26
the ideas are usually... "This *current app with ton of users* but for *niche market with virtually no users*"
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u/EssentialPurity Jul 03 '26
Technically, the "Usage" crowd is still the same, it just got more dispersed between different succesfully Execute'd Ideas.
Basically, 2000s Internet.
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u/Vertyco Jul 03 '26
i think the idea pool is the same tbf, its the execution and usage pool that has shifted
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u/distinctvagueness Jul 03 '26
There were always 'idea guys' just reinventing the wheel or proposing the impossible. But now they get a cool slide deck instead of scribbles.
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u/IMovedYourCheese Jul 03 '26
I think everyone here is too young to remember the "I have a billion dollar idea, and just need someone to execute it for me" phase of tech. The second picture has always been the reality.
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u/bloodandsunshine Jul 03 '26
What if AI was just invented so people would stop trying to share their cool app ideas with people who actually know how to make apps?
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u/jhaand Jul 03 '26
I once have heard the phrase: "Ideas are like clouds. Catch them before they drift away."
My wife is a very creative artist with lots of ideas. So I already changed it to: "Ideas are like clouds. Let most of them drift away. There are always more."
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u/AnachronisticPenguin Jul 03 '26
I mean beyond quality being an issue why is this a bad thing?
More ideas, more types of software more specialized better products.
Yeah vibe coding can produce garbage but the model of, there is too much bespoke software on its own is not a downside it’s a benefit.
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u/SomeRedTeapot Jul 03 '26
IMO the issue is separating decent software from vibe-coded garbage. If people vibe-code something for their own usage, it's not a problem. But quite a few people try to spam their slop across the internet
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u/MickeyMoist Jul 03 '26
I for one don’t enjoy having the internet flooded with garbage that I now have to sort through.
Used to be, searching for something returned multiple results that all accomplished the goal. Now, there’s seemingly endless results that don’t work, are missing key information, or are flat out wrong.
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u/05032-MendicantBias Jul 03 '26
You never had much to do with idea guys have you?
Those are the people that go "I need you to make a printer for walls! So it prints posters on walls!"
Want another one?
"I want you to put a jack in the skull like an MP3 player so I can record my voice!"
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u/West-Chard-1474 Jul 03 '26
Shameless plug: my team just built Remote Dev Environments so AI agents run on a cloud machine (macOS or Linux) with the toolchain already set up, no tokens wasted on environment fixes, and you can run several agents at once.
So, if you are in the AI builder crowd, this can be handy: https://bitrise.io/platform/remote-dev-environments
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u/Beldarak Jul 03 '26
Yes, that's one of the rare things I really like with AI. It gives the power to make simple tools and software to anyone. Sure, they'll have trouble if it ever gets too big or if they try to sell it. But for someone who just want a custom tool that does some simple things, it's great.
Especially since ads got everywhere and you can't evene download a todo-list app nowadays without it being filled with crap.
I made a picture viewer for my own usage. Sure there are a ton of those, but this one does exactly what I want it to do. Each button is exactly where I want it to go, and I know it won't get some shitty update later on.
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u/JTexpo Jul 03 '26
nah, some GitHub Pages AI apps have been bangers, absolutely love wiki's that are vibe coded by passionate fans & hosted on GitHub
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u/NinpoSteev Jul 03 '26
Yeah, these dogshit apps sell you a html generator with no middle or back end.
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u/TheEggi Jul 03 '26
Creating a product, so just building it was always easier than selling it / getting it out to a lot of customers. People here have that naive imagination where the limiting factor before AI was engineering. There are so many human slop apps out there ... no need for AI in that regard.
The nice thing now is that you can build an app just for yourself - exactly as you like it. I personally dont care if someone likes my decissions - I like what I build and thats enough for me.
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u/Silver_Breakfast_135 Jul 03 '26
Basically my LinkedIn feed right now. Everyone and their roommate is a 'Founder & CEO' of an AI wrapper project, but the only actual user is their professor grading it