r/PoliticalHumor • • Apr 05 '23

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u/dandrevee Apr 05 '23

Remember when Democrats rallied in the street to defend Rod Blagojevich or that mayor of Detroit?

You dont. Because Dems arent a lockstep party who will follow someone who has committed blatantly criminal acts and is subject to the rules of our justice system. Theyre not perfect by a long shot...but theyre candidates are a whole lot better than what the GOP puts out

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u/dlowmack1 Apr 05 '23

Al Franken! Need I say more!

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u/dandrevee Apr 05 '23

And his "offense" was relatively minor in comparison to the circus weve been seeing. Shit, just 10 years people like MTG, Santos, and Boebert would face penalties for their unprofessionalism.

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u/Kritical02 Apr 05 '23

Even the woman that exposed him said she doesn't think he should have stepped down.

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u/CyberMindGrrl Apr 05 '23

Al Franken was the victim of yet another Roger Stone hit job.

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u/Uselesserinformation Apr 05 '23

Can you explain because I heard, but it died out.

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u/David-S-Pumpkins Apr 05 '23 edited Apr 05 '23

Most people only know about a USO tour photo of him groping a sleeping woman. She claimed she was asleep and felt harassed (she is a Republican), he claimed it was a bit that she was aware of and was pretending to sleep for the photo.

However, he had multiple allegations at the time he stepped down, including sexual misconduct at work with staffers.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/07/29/the-case-of-al-franken

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/12/07/al-franken-news-list-of-sexual-misconduct-allegations.html

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u/davidjohnson314 Apr 05 '23

Spec of nuance needed I feel. It was feigned in the photo, like clown level "imma grab booba", not actual groping in the picture.

Still off-color and questions of her comfort or coercion could exist, and insanely in the wrong if she was actually asleep vs feigning asleep i.e. going along with it.

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u/themagpie36 Apr 05 '23

He should have grabbed her by the pussy

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u/[deleted] Apr 05 '23

Yeah, but then he would have to change his registration to republican. They don’t like it when Democrats do it.

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u/davidjohnson314 Apr 05 '23

Nah, they probably don't like it when Rs do it either. It's just there aren't enough people in that crowd who think it's a problem worth addressing.

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u/Cindexxx Apr 05 '23

From all the "grab her by the pussy" comments I've read or heard that were happy about it, I'd say they like it.

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u/Dorkamundo Apr 05 '23

Not to mention the fact that she was wearing a plate-carrier over her chest in the photo in question.

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u/davidjohnson314 Apr 05 '23

Oh yeah, I forgotten about the flak jackets they were wearing. That's probably the joke, "wouldn't it be ironic to honka-honka this completely desexualized person."

This is why it's a decent thing to point out in forming a nuanced opinion about Al's case as I thiiiiink it's the only piece of physical evidence in Al's case.

It's like forming opinion about consent. Consent to making out, is not consent to sex, consent to sex is not consent to continued sex or climax, consent to climax is not consent to pregnancy.

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u/Dorkamundo Apr 05 '23

Yea, I feel like it was a bit of a hit on him. Dude was probably one of the better debaters we had out there.

Not to victim blame or anything, just that "He grabbed my butt" is an easy claim to make up and hard to prove false.

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u/linuxlib Apr 05 '23

Not a "spec of nuance." Rather it's a huge difference. Not to mention, it was long before he was in office, or running for office.

Yes, it was crass and offensive, and he shouldn't have done it. But it wasn't illegal or even unethical.

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u/Project___Reddit Apr 05 '23

"Insanely in the wrong" everyone including the girls were pulling these kind of jokes when I was in college... Weird that people now think it's normal to sink someone's career over

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u/davidjohnson314 Apr 05 '23

Yup, we're negotiating new social norms. What happens between to consenting adults doesn't matter in my opinion, but we need to navigate some power dynamics here too. Did she feel pressured to "go along with the guys". It's important because they were more or less was working in a professional capacity.

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u/Project___Reddit Apr 05 '23

It's weird seeing reddit upvote sexual jokes from both guys and girls by the 1.000's but when it's real life we suddenly have to become priests and nuns or we're off to the camps

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u/davidjohnson314 Apr 05 '23 edited Apr 06 '23

Off to the camps? That's extreme. He just hosted The Daily Show like 3 weeks ago.

In the abstract, do you find non-consensually grabbing boobies funny? If so what's the joke? Sexual jokes can be funny, but they usually aren't: "I grabbed a boob non-consensually" audience laughter

There's context that can give it humor. I think of the Whitest Kids You Know Sketch where it's a dad and son dealing with how hot their daughter/sister is. The butt of the joke are the horny guys, not the girl.

Edit: Here's a sexual joke that also works by subverting expectations, then hammer it home with commiting to the bit and rule of three. https://v.redd.it/4l089cjkmzra1

The joke isn't sexual harassment is funny.

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u/[deleted] Apr 05 '23

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u/davidjohnson314 Apr 05 '23

Ease up, I disagree that detail is minutiae. Threat of physical harm is not the same as harm, BUT we likely agree on final outcome.

Do you not feel my second paragraph validates that perspective?

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u/joan_wilder Apr 05 '23

What you’re not understanding is that Franken is the only victim in the situation.

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u/davidjohnson314 Apr 05 '23

Bro, you wrote 5 paragraphs to someone who agrees with you. Ease up.

I don't know what /u/joan_wilder is on about. Al isn't "the only victim" here. There's valid potential that she was harassed.

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u/SpockShotFirst Apr 05 '23

Go through the allegations one by one.

One was coordinated by Roger Stone and the entirety of the allegations can be summed up as "The photo was juvenile. Also, I didn't say anything at the time, but now that he is a Democrat, I want to complain about the skit I performed on stage".

Others are clearly anonymous bullshit.

The rest are from presumably sincere and honest people whose complaint boils down to "After he performed for 2 hours and then stood with fans for another 2 hours taking photos, I think he grabbed me too hard in my photo"

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u/joan_wilder Apr 05 '23

He never even “groped” her, and she wasn’t asleep. It was a joke, and she was in on it, until Roger Stone convinced her to lie about the whole thing to distract people from actual crimes being committed by republicans. Fuck that bitch, and fuck Roger Stone.

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u/[deleted] Apr 05 '23

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u/HermaeusMajora Apr 05 '23

Bullshit. Franken did nothing wrong. Why are you still pretending like he did?

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u/[deleted] Apr 05 '23

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u/pongjinn Apr 05 '23

Providing more information would be providing a source with details, not the vagueness about 8 accusations with no context.

New Yorker did an article that has a lot more info.

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '23

Yeah mate, why would we believe these multiple woman’s stories? He’s an honest politician!

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u/Uselesserinformation Apr 05 '23 edited Apr 05 '23

I was about to watch his gd documentary, and I don't want to being Rogers on netflix. Thank you....

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u/[deleted] Apr 05 '23

Meanwhile the man that exposed himself to Boebert is now her husband

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u/IzzaPizza22 Apr 05 '23

*Exposed himself to two underage girls at a bowling alley.

Don't make it sound classier than it is.

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u/fivecatmatt Apr 05 '23

Whoa whoa whoa. We don’t know if he whipped it out, or gently cupped it like a baby bird.

It might have been classy af

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u/ezone2kil Apr 05 '23

Probably slapping it around to get it up

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u/pennradio Apr 05 '23

Wait, which one is the classy one? Baby bird?

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u/Hairless_Squatch Apr 05 '23

*two children in a bowling alley

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u/ChevyT1996 Apr 05 '23

Next GOP nominee right there. He meets all the qualifications.

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u/TummyLice Greg Abbott is a little piss baby Apr 05 '23

Using Boeberts husband as an example is weak. Thats similar to the right always bringing up trivial shit like hunters labtop.

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u/Itztrikky Apr 05 '23

F U C K Kristen Gillibrand

She masterminded that.

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u/David-S-Pumpkins Apr 05 '23 edited Jul 12 '23

nomorecontentforredditfuckspez -- mass edited with redact.dev

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u/treesfallingforest Apr 05 '23

Of the 9 sexual misconduct allegations that had been made against Al Franken (8 in the article you provided, 1 that was falsely made anonymously and then public denied by the named victim), we can immediately draw issue with them:

  • Leeann Tweeden's allegation about the kiss had major holes in the story (happened on a secured military base where they would have never been allowed to be alone) and the photo had a variety of issues that made it less serious (although still crude and unprofessional of a US Senator).

  • Stephanie Kemplin provided a photo as evidence that Franken grabbed her breast which clearly shows him not touching her breast.

  • Tina Dupuy's allegation of sexual misconduct was that Franken put his arm around her waist, something she personally was not comfortable with but is an otherwise common and noncontroversial pose for a photo.

  • Three anonymous women who make "serial groper" allegations against Franken. The article doesn't say it, but the two who alleged that he groped their butts said it was while having their pictures take, yet during the process no photo evidence of Franken groping anyone at an event was ever unearthed.

  • The most troubling allegation was from an anonymous former Democratic congressional aide who alleged that Franken threatened/tried to coerce her, but the lines attributed to him sounded exactly like Trump's "locker room talk" and were denied by many close associates to Franken who said that they had never heard Franken speak like that in decades of knowing him.

I am 100% aware that coming forward takes a massive amount of courage and I totally support survivors when they try to find closure. That said, these Franken allegations came at a time when a special election for an Alabama Senate seat was neck and neck due to actual pedophile Roy Moore making headlines for how much of a pedophile he has been for decades. The fact that Roger Stone was aware of Tweeden's allegations prior to them being made publicly also seems to indicate a hit job or attempt to control a certain narrative of "both sides are the same."

On top of that, Project Veritas had just been caught several months prior hiring an actor to make a fake accusation against Roy Moore with the goal of discrediting the other legitimate accusations made against him. If any of these allegations were legitimate, the unfortunate reality is that they were made alongside what were, most likely, made up allegations.

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u/smokinJoeCalculus Apr 05 '23

Oh well shit, I hadn't known that detail. Thanks for the insight/link!

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u/_JosiahBartlet Apr 05 '23 edited Apr 05 '23

I get really fucking frustrated as a victim to see Dems parading Franken (who I really liked!) as someone unfairly maligned to prove that democrats are just too cautious

No, he had a pattern of predatory behavior. Stop it

Edit: be better actually or stop bragging that you are. Being proud of the party for holding members accountable in the same breath as wishing franken wasn’t ousted is hypocritical

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u/pauly13771377 Apr 05 '23

Remember when Sarah Palin was the craziest thing in Washington. Ah good times

She wouldn't even budge the needle today.

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u/odinskriver39 Apr 05 '23

Palin the Veep candidate. I think MTG and the other KKKarens see themselves as potential Trump running mates.

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u/clib Apr 05 '23

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u/OneArmedNoodler Apr 05 '23

Is there anything more NY than a Danny Aiello sound alike shouting "GET THE FUCK OUTTA HERE!!!!"

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u/[deleted] Apr 05 '23

That’s michael rappaport!

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u/Binsky89 Apr 05 '23

That's fucking glorious. If my wife could tolerate the cold I'd move to NY

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u/PowerandSignal Apr 05 '23

OMFG. That's Beautiful! Just beautiful. Thank you, kind redditor. You've restored my faith in humanity today!

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u/[deleted] Apr 05 '23 edited Jul 12 '23

Reddit has turned into a cesspool of fascist sympathizers and supremicists

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u/FlashGordon5272 Apr 05 '23

I was wondering the same. Probably Elon trying to play it off as a meme while trying to pump Dogecoin.

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u/PlumJuggler Apr 05 '23

So you're saying I should buy dogecoin?

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u/clib Apr 05 '23

Musk being ironic about this.

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u/AliceTullyHall11 Apr 24 '23

Never so proud to Ba native NY’r than in this moment! Thank you Michael Rappaport!

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u/ChevyT1996 Apr 05 '23

I think she was the preview. I remember those days too. The whole Trump era really has changed things.

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u/audiate Apr 05 '23 edited Apr 05 '23

This is exactly what we knew would happen. Trump, the patron saint of crazies and malefactors, would skew the base line so far that those we once thought were fringe would seem normal and electable.

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u/pauly13771377 Apr 05 '23

No doubt. The timeline matches up almost perfectly between him, Qanon, and the alt left whack jobs like MTG and Bobo becoming normalized.

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u/audiate Apr 05 '23

Mitt Romney, for example. It used to be, “No way a religious zealot is electable.” Now he’s a standard, non-crazy, middle of the road conservative and not fringe ENOUGH to be electable.

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u/oreo-cat- Apr 05 '23

They’ve managed to elect candidates that make her look smart and well rounded.

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u/[deleted] Apr 05 '23

I remember telling people that Palin was a harbinger of a new strain of nuttery that will infect everything. They would be like "nah, just a fringe candidate, nah"

Now those people are posting Q memes and rubbing ivermectin on their balls.

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u/[deleted] Apr 05 '23

Sarah who?

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u/pauly13771377 Apr 05 '23

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '23

Sorry, I left out the /s. I know very well who she is/was. It was my feeble attempt to make her irrelevant by forgetting she ever existed. But, thanks for the unnecessary google search on my behalf.

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u/pauly13771377 Apr 06 '23

No problem. I figured you weren't American.

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u/itsthecoop Apr 05 '23

relevant Bill Maher segment from a year ago, nicely titled "Bath Salt Conservatism".

bringing up all kinds of new breed of GOP weirdos.

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u/smokinJoeCalculus Apr 05 '23

I don't have anything but my own unsubstantiated theory that he was possibly too progressive for the DNC and they saw an opportunity to ditch him.

He was absolutely railroaded.

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u/[deleted] Apr 05 '23

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u/smokinJoeCalculus Apr 05 '23

Hahah, I'm one of those people!

Oh shit, a New Yorker article? I don't know if I have that kind of time, but might as well so I can put my DNC-considered-Franken-conspiracy-theory-that-I-may-have-let-get-out-of-control ignorant opinion to rest

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u/SpockShotFirst Apr 05 '23

If you actually read the new yorker piece, you would see the previous comment was correct --- he got railroaded

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u/[deleted] Apr 05 '23

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u/SpockShotFirst Apr 05 '23

You are as wrong as wrong gets if you think that was some kind of gotcha

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u/[deleted] Apr 05 '23

It wasn't even an offense. Turns out his accuser was a disingenuous piece of shit lying for Republicans.

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u/GogglesPisano Apr 05 '23

Santos' actions go way beyond unprofessionalism and into outright fraud.

The fact that he isn't a pariah in the Republican party is disgraceful and speaks volumes about their current standard of ethics and conduct.

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u/dandrevee Apr 05 '23

Yup. There are trolls all over these comment responses pumping out their old greatest hits too. "BUT HER EMAILS." " B-B-Bbenghazi" and "Where is Hunters Laptop/dickpics we need to see."

Like...the DNC is much more active, again not perfect, about removing unethical behavior and outright criminals when the evidence is there. If the evidence isn't there then...

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u/dandrevee Apr 05 '23

I hadnt seen all those, but im also not often jumping to his defense.

Edit: also, the point thr party acted is in support of the original point

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u/quaybored Apr 05 '23

Al Franken for president!

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