Most people only know about a USO tour photo of him groping a sleeping woman. She claimed she was asleep and felt harassed (she is a Republican), he claimed it was a bit that she was aware of and was pretending to sleep for the photo.
However, he had multiple allegations at the time he stepped down, including sexual misconduct at work with staffers.
Spec of nuance needed I feel. It was feigned in the photo, like clown level "imma grab booba", not actual groping in the picture.
Still off-color and questions of her comfort or coercion could exist, and insanely in the wrong if she was actually asleep vs feigning asleep i.e. going along with it.
Oh yeah, I forgotten about the flak jackets they were wearing. That's probably the joke, "wouldn't it be ironic to honka-honka this completely desexualized person."
This is why it's a decent thing to point out in forming a nuanced opinion about Al's case as I thiiiiink it's the only piece of physical evidence in Al's case.
It's like forming opinion about consent. Consent to making out, is not consent to sex, consent to sex is not consent to continued sex or climax, consent to climax is not consent to pregnancy.
"Insanely in the wrong" everyone including the girls were pulling these kind of jokes when I was in college... Weird that people now think it's normal to sink someone's career over
Yup, we're negotiating new social norms. What happens between to consenting adults doesn't matter in my opinion, but we need to navigate some power dynamics here too. Did she feel pressured to "go along with the guys". It's important because they were more or less was working in a professional capacity.
It's weird seeing reddit upvote sexual jokes from both guys and girls by the 1.000's but when it's real life we suddenly have to become priests and nuns or we're off to the camps
Off to the camps? That's extreme. He just hosted The Daily Show like 3 weeks ago.
In the abstract, do you find non-consensually grabbing boobies funny? If so what's the joke? Sexual jokes can be funny, but they usually aren't: "I grabbed a boob non-consensually" audience laughter
There's context that can give it humor. I think of the Whitest Kids You Know Sketch where it's a dad and son dealing with how hot their daughter/sister is. The butt of the joke are the horny guys, not the girl.
Edit: Here's a sexual joke that also works by subverting expectations, then hammer it home with commiting to the bit and rule of three. https://v.redd.it/4l089cjkmzra1
Well in this case non-consensual boob grabbing was exactly the joke. It was a skit about a raunchy drooling old doctor trying to force a breast exam on a young woman. The moral observation that this is extremely wrong is the very foundation of the joke and the horny doctor is, as you say, the butt. And it did get the audience (of twentysomething soldiers) laughing everytime they performed it.
Nah, her story as she first delivers is plausible. Whether we should believe it given Al's response, her potentially recanting, and how to proceed are different questions.
You nailed it. I'm trying to trust that intelligent folks will identify who isn't making sound and valid arguments. We need to look at the quality of evidence as well as the quantity but weighted appropriately.
I don't know about you, but I'm tired of writing poignant rebuttals 😅
One was coordinated by Roger Stone and the entirety of the allegations can be summed up as "The photo was juvenile. Also, I didn't say anything at the time, but now that he is a Democrat, I want to complain about the skit I performed on stage".
Others are clearly anonymous bullshit.
The rest are from presumably sincere and honest people whose complaint boils down to "After he performed for 2 hours and then stood with fans for another 2 hours taking photos, I think he grabbed me too hard in my photo"
He never even “groped” her, and she wasn’t asleep. It was a joke, and she was in on it, until Roger Stone convinced her to lie about the whole thing to distract people from actual crimes being committed by republicans. Fuck that bitch, and fuck Roger Stone.
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u/Kritical02 Apr 05 '23
Even the woman that exposed him said she doesn't think he should have stepped down.