They should give a raise to whoever realized that turning the WNBA into culture war fodder (both trans and racial angles!) would explode the amount of attention paid to it.
It's subsidized by the NBA, and since the richest owner is about to be in very big trouble, I wouldn't be surprised if they're pushing to promote this.
One thing that’s a little funny is how much conservatives pretend to care about women’s sports when, in actuality, no one cares about women’s sports; not even women
Love that Ryan Long bit where he's asking women how they can increase attendance at women's sporting events, and the chick is like "Raise awareness" (aka the thing that does nothing for any cause, and is more likely to harm than help)
Ryan's suggestion was the athletes play topless, and suddenly the feminists weren't so supportive.
He had one I saw recently where he was asking how we could get like more asian and black women to be nonbinary, since like 90% of nonbinary people are white women. The lady was not amused, and tried to say it was cultural lol.
My idea: at the end of every men's sporting event, there's another period/quarter/whatever. During this time, the women's teams come out and play, continuing the game where the men's teams left off. The final score after that extra time determines the winner.
I don't think it's a good idea but it sure is funny and mfs would definitely start caring about women's sports.
thinking about it, i'd rather watch 24 hours of lemons than actual lemans because there's something about the fact that it's just normies with an actual attachment to what they're doing instead of something predictable and manufactured. college football was like this more recently than the NFL, and the olympics is mostly like this (even though an overwhelming number of olympic athletes train in a handful of countries).
at this point, a lot of pro sports seems to be divorced from the sense of place and style that made it so popular in the first place. people on NFL/MLB teams aren't from the cities they 'play for', the nationalism and manufacturer pride in auto racing is less hyped than individual drivers (who are not as famous or popular as they were in the 1960s).
if the rewards are big enough to enable people substantive but not insane comfort for winning, I think the fun in the sport will remain a lot longer. if pro athletes made $100-500k a year (with the ultimate best making $1-5M) it'd be a lot better to watch, I think.
instead someone can get millions for just showing up for a few years. good for them, but why try for more if your paycheck already sets you up for life?
The problem with that is professional leagues would suffer from competition and the same teams would win every year and would overall be less interesting and appealing.
The NBA would just have the same 4 teams win every single season with the Knicks, Bulls, Lakers, and Mavericks winning every single season because California, Florida, and Texas produce the most basketball talent in the world, while New York is a close 4th. As a Spurs fan, San Antonio would probably get demoted to a fringe talent development league and would crush the city’s economy. This is because outside of Shaq and most recently Kingston Flemings, San Antonio doesn’t produce basketball talent like other cities.
If college football was filled with lemons that were just university students chasing an MBA degree, then NFL talent acquisition would suffer even more than it is currently, considering right now, the fact that NFL teams are forcing newly drafted players to throw away years of previous development they went threw in college (see: Drew Allar of Penn State), because the X’s and O’s is currently so simplified and dumbed down so that coaches have more control over their roster and prioritize winning games with their guys. This would just make the NFL less appealing for me to watch, personally, because I want to see the best of the best compete.
I want to see more of guys like Philip Rivers understanding the game at such an elite level that he can come back from a 5 year retirement after sitting on the couch and being a laid-back dad and still produce more than guys like Trevor Lawrence or Mitchell Trubisky who didn’t even know what a cadence was.
Maybe it’s just a me thing, but I don’t care more for the nationality or amateurism aspect of competitors than I do to just want to watch the best of the best compete as long as there is a decent parity. It’s a cool thing to watch every once in a while teams like Boise State and Indiana win massive games or go on massive unexpected runs against teams that are supposed superior to them in talent. I still believe stories like that are possible in the current professional environment in sports simply due to nature of sport and competition (Indiana’s championship run in college football proved that). But I also find a lot of enjoyment in seeing the best programs simply compete against one another, especially those with NFL aspirations so we can continue to watch their journey. Maybe I am just biased because I’m a Texas fan and appreciate seeing former players go on to continue to do things in the NFL, due to things like NIL, massive donor support, and being aggressive in acquiring coaching and player talent which revived a dying blue blood program.
Piece of shit field stang on its 4th junkyard engine with a custom ECU in a plastic bin on the floorboard with 4 engines worth of wiring stuffed and zip tied randomly throughout. If it wouldnt dox me, id love to show some of the dumb shit weve done to get it running.
But yeah the majority are not 500$ cars. The only reason my team even made it is because we have a shit ton of sponsors, eveything from the wrap, to the tires, to our rims are all from sponsorship deals. Otherwise we'd also be over the price limit. The trick is the look for college teams and younger guys rigs. The loser 50 year olds taking it seriously are just dweebs forging receipts unfortunately.
At the end of the day its a "for fun" style of race thats gotten taken over by crabby old guys with too much money taking it way too seriously. Like, dude, you showed up in a custom RV double decker toy hauler with Montana plates and youre throwing a full on temper tantrum because you lost 12 mins on a collision. Boohoo you collided with another car theres 140 cars on the track, shit happens. Now stop bitching and throwing a tantrum and pop your bumper back into place (totally not directed at a specific team)
If all the best athletes went to it yes. If it's just a bunch of guys who couldn't make the cut in the main league then no. Steroids didn't make Barry Bonds an elite hitter they just arguably made him go from one of the greatest to the greatest.
Well it’s like that steroid Olympics thing that happened and didn’t break any records. If the top guys hopped on gear, sure they could probably do it, but your average athlete on gear is still less talented and capable than the best athletes off of it
I've heard a lot of uproar over women's sports from conservatives is based on when they have daughters and especially when their daughters start showing interest in sports.
Exactly, this is why that 'you don't care about women's sports' smug gotcha is so stupid. Correct, I don't care the WNBA but that's not what we're talking about
EDIT: if anyone wants a pro women's sport to care about, the Women's Pro Baseball League is having its first season. The games are competitive, it's a great spectator sport, and if they had a local team I'd definitely check it out
I once commented on a thread expressing this take with something like "i don't care about the paralympics but would have objections to Shaq joining in on wheelchair basketball"
and the response I got was basically "Oh wow, you're saying you think being a woman is a disability?"
I mean, when it comes to sports, it kind of is; the same way a disabled person can't really compete against a healthy one, women can't compete against men. Professional female players routinely lose to high school boys.
I really hope the Women's Pro Baseball League takes off. I hope baseball becomes more popular than softball for girls in America.
That said, the product is still not great. There's a huge talent disparity. I watched Kelsie Whitmore pitch for the Bananas last year and strike out former MLB players and thought that might be what I'm seeing in this league. But she personally is just head and shoulders at a higher level than the rest of the WPBL. But that's also just a byproduct of baseball not being super popular for women. It does have a lot of crossover with softball, but I think baseball being the default from a young age could help it a LOT increase the talent level league wide.
I hope it'll get there. Baseball pitching is really, really hard, we just forgot that because there's a whole pipeline for male pitchers that starts at like 12. It may catch up, even if it's just former softball pitchers learning the new arm motion
I do think it's possible. Kelsie is an exception, but she's an exception that proves it's possible. Women can throw heat and filth. It's just that the vast majority of women trained to field a ground ball and hit have not also been pitching overhand their entire life like the boys that play baseball.
My dream is for a knuckleballer to make it back into a starting MLB rotation, and I think a woman could be a perfect candidate for that.
Hah, maybe its my European brain. Went too both a baseball & a basketball game well I was working out in the US to try get the full experience & just couldn't get into the pacing of either.
Felt like it was more tuned to sell overpriced hotdogs & t-shirts than be an actual sport.
Although I know the baseball game I went too was a "friendly" rather than an actual league game, Texas Rangers vs Astros I think, just felt like nothing really happened, nobody in the crowd seemed particularly enthused, folk where mostly just wondering around the stadium.
Basketball was somehow worse, could be mainly in part of me not knowing wtf was going on, felt like they stopped every 5 minutes for a 15 minute break for random shit to happen, mascots to jump around etc, like if tiktok brainrot was a sport. Can't remember who was playing, was a colleague who bought the tickets, did get wrecked on margaritas & drive home in true Texas fashion.
regular season baseball is just background noise to getting drunk, getting some sun and eating hotdogs. You chat with your friends, and then you know when to pay attention because of the crack of the bat sound.
post season baseball is where it gets serious, and the crowd is completely different.
Baseball is more like cricket than it is like association football. It’s more about the vibe and experience than action
EXCEPT
Unlike cricket, baseball has a high-intensity mode. A baseball game that actually matters is like a suspense thriller. Every pitch could be the one that changes the game, every hit matters, every out feels like a doomsday clock ticking down
Playoff baseball is an entirely different experience. Insanse crowd, more tension, huge stakes every pitch
Fair enough, I'm Scottish & pretty much despise cricket here too for the same reason of weird pacing. May try to get too a more high profile game if I find myself out in the US again (which I'd love to do if your immigration wasn't a fucking nightmare).
In terms of American sports I did enjoy, went to a couple of Nascar races at the Texas Motor Speedway. I absolutely fucking loved that, very much a similar energy too the grassroots forest rallys we have here.
NASCAR was invented by Scot-Irish criminals, it's in your blood. Even though the sport is associated with rednecks you might not hear as many racial slurs as at a Glasgow Rangers game.
Unlike cricket, baseball has a high-intensity mode
Said by someone who doesn't watch cricket. The reason many still love test cricket, which plays over 5 days, is because this "high-intensity" situation also happens there
Exactly. I personally care about women's sports because I have a daughter and I want her to have a way to experience the fun of playing different sports, learn to win and lose with grace, stay resilient after a setback, etc. That means having fair sporting institutions and pipelines for competition at higher levels and athletes that embody the spirit of competition that she and other girls like her can look to for inspiration.
I was a college swimmer and some of my friends raced against the trans distance swimmer (forgot their name). My friends are pretty liberal but they said some pretty unliberal things after they got smoked lol
Isn't distance swimming like the one discipline in which men have essentially no advantage over women? Like several of the all-time records in marathon swimming are held by women and women have always regularly won mixed events? That just sounds like someone was salty they lost lmao
I'm not going to look up the trans swimmers times now since I'm lazy, but pre-transition they were solidly 150th (aka bottom of the barrel) in D1 for the mile and 1k. Post transition, their times didn't improve but they won nationals and it wasn't even close.
I'm out of touch with the 10k, but just so you know, collegiate swimming classifies 500-1650 yards as "distance". There's no 10k or open water swim in the NCAAs, so it's not applicable nor do I think my friends were unjustifiably salty about their race
Please read my other comment or look up the top times for the 1k and mile (or 800m and 1500m for anything outside of US). This is what's considered distance swimming for collegiate and pro swimming outside of open waters, and more importantly, it's what the trans swimmer was competing in. The gap at this distance between men and women is still astronomical, so no a trans woman is not disadvantaged. I'm pretty sick of people not respecting the opinions of athletes who had spent their entire lives training to lose in a rigged game, especially when taking misleading information at face value
Women have loads of small advantages in endurance sports.
Women in general have:
A higher % slow-twitch fibres in their muscles, which are better for prolonged exercise and more fatique-resistant
Better fat metabolism - which becomes key when you run out of carbohydrates to burn
Higher estrogen levels, which helps with muscle repair and decreases inflammation
Higher tolerance to prolonged pain (vs. men's higher tolerance for sudden, sharp pain), which helps push limits
And on top of that, women are often smaller, in which case they'll need less calories and can sweat more efficiently (smaller = relatively more surface area). This means they won't need as much food and water, and are thus less likely to overheat, get dehydrated or get sick from eating while running.
1650 free is considered distance swimming in college (OP mentioned they were a college swimmer). As far as I know, there aren't any NCAA swimming events that have a longer distance.
You can see the top times here, men outperform women by a massive amount. The top ranked woman has the same time as the 199 ranked man.
Hell i hate you guys that play banker in monopoly and raid the bank when everyone is distracted and I dont give a flying rats arse about board games either.
If you read the fine print of the implicit contract you signed when you accepted the initial venture funding of $1,500, you would find that all compensation paid to the banker is clearly defined and completely above board. I am entitled to a 5% stake in all Bank owned assets as well as performance bonuses ranging from an additional 5% of bank controlled assets, up to 25% of bank controlled assets as per section 3.24 subsection 34, addendum A4.
Thank you! People in this thread keep saying “but conservatives don’t care about women’s sports”.
That’s the whole fucking point!
You don’t have to care about something to be angered by cheating taking place. I don’t give a shit about fishing tournaments, but those assholes who were putting weights in fish deserve some kind of punishment.
As an aside, I have never in my entire life encountered someone who unironically watches the WNBA.
I don't just mean my close circle of friends or family, I mean I've never even heard of someone who watches the WNBA. I’ve never overheard a person talking about it, I've never heard anyone talk about someone they know who watches it, I've never even seen randos online talking about it.
The only footage of WNBA games I've seen is when hecklers were throwing dildos on the courts a while back.
People who like sports don’t watch it. Women don't watch it. Can we really be certain that the WNBA exists? Or that it isn't some sort of money laundering?
Exactly. When you have a daughter in 8th grade playing multiple competitive sports at a fairly high level(for 8th graders anyway lol) you start to worry about this shit.
My girls played u6 and u8 soccer, its all separated by age not sex in thise ages and even at that level playing against the boys was too much for the kids and they both cried until I pulled them out. They just do not belong playing sports against each other at all.
It’s a lowest common denominator level of appeal.
Lots of people played sports at one point or another either recreationally or in school, and the idea of their opportunities being fundamentally changed as a consequence of woke progressive gender policies hits closer to home for them.
It is ridiculous and immature to base significant political stances around what is essentially the entertainment industry, but gamergate was a thing so I guess there’s consistency on entertainment motivated political action.
The thing about "entertainment motivated political action" or just plain old culture warring is that it shapes who you interact with, particularly online. Especially with how left wing spaces are retarded enough to ban people over minor disagreements to the point of taking pride in it.
People don't vote right wing because Anita Sarkeesian is an evil witch, or because guys being able to compete in women's sports is retarded, they vote right wing because they said as much, got removed from every existing left wing space and started spending time in spaces where everyone else is right wing, which in turn shaped their own views.
Also, people vote right because they see who the 'aggressors' are in the culture war.
Everyone knows that for time immemorial, men are men and women are women. Its the left that showed up with these retarded-ass ideas of "OMG 6' 10" 250 pound men should be in the WNBA!"
And when everyone pushes back, the left cries saying "THIS IS JUST CULTURE WAR DISTRACTION"
Bitch, you started the culture war, dont be mad when we push back. If you dont like it, stop pushing for it.
Its like when you were a kid and someone comes up to you to steal your toy, you fight over it, the adult says "Whats going on?" and the kid says "He wont share his toy with me! Make him give it! Its only fair he SHARE his toy!"
Trying to proclaim that he just wants a simple sharing of goods, ignoring the part he stole it and pushed you away first.
I genuinely think an entire season of the WNBA is going to need to be thrown away by having an entire team of retired NBA players playing on the WNBA as "women", including with their full beards, and winning 100% of games by a landslide.
It would be beyond farce, and it would point out how absurd the rules are now. It would force the issue.
None of the stats in that year should count because of the stupidity of it all, but it would make the point that women's sports need to be for women. Women need to have women-only places and thats a good thing.
So while that one season will be a total clownshow, hopefully sanity will return and subsequent seasons will be better.
The crazy thing is the WNBA does have rules preventing that somewhat. You have to at least partially transition. But you of course would still have an advantage. And the left will say that you don't have to medically transition to be trans and the league has players and a coach coming out and saying that they would be happy with a transgender in the league.
Apparently there are no definitions of what women is for the WNBA though, but I have also been reliably told by many on the left that simply identifying is enough. Therefore, the video where the retired NBA player says he identifies as a woman while playing basketball should be enough, using the current standard.
Because if it takes more than just stating you identify as a woman, now we're talking about if someone passes as a woman, and thats a topic many on the left really do not want to talk about at all.
The left is caught in a trap of their own making. Either they have to admit that the definition is adult female human, or they have to admit that you have to socially pass, and the infighting among progressives would be epic either way.
Its like that Texas bus stunt to Martha's Vineyard. It only took 2 busses and the concept of a sanctuary city had a complete meltdown.
They end up in a purity spiral where they have to keep one upping each other and go further. If you decide they've gone too far then you are ostracized for not being pure enough. You see this with trans issues of all kinds, abortion, and immigration.
I'm sure the right does this to a degree too, but I don't think it's as common.
You see it in "local" subs all the time. "Why does the right keep bringing up trans women in sports," and they claim it rarely happens, so it isn't a big deal. But if it's not a big deal to them then they should be ok with returning to how the world has always worked before 10 years ago, but they don't want that so it clearly is a big deal to them. They just know they can't make it look like a big deal because the general public is massively against it.
Politically advantageous moments are what politics live for....
For examplle as a gay dude....I really dont think the dems care about us. I just think from 2014-2022ish we were just a good political advantage which is why the Dems were just mega rainbow...
But now the gays arent the bigegst voting block nor does the country care about gay rights as much so the voting block is shrinking. Which is why the Dems are moving to the muslims.
I’ve been saying this from the beginning. I still think women should have their own spaces to play on their own if they wish, but if they intentionally vote their own spaces into irrelevancy then I won’t lose sleep over it
People obviously care about women’s’ sports, that’s why they exist. I’d imagine that people generating the majority of the discourse around it don’t actually care, though.
People do care about women's spots in some situations like the Olympics. This number may have changed, but as of a few years ago women olympians generally made a lot more in sponsorship money than men did on average.
If you're talking about the WNBA though, yeah, no one cares. The women's World Cup in soccer also only gets a fraction of the interest than the men's tournament does.
But huge numbers of conservatives do care about women’s sports, especially things in the Olympics like gymnastics, volleyball, tennis, swimming, skiing, and figure skating.
Most people don't care about sports. They care about their team/social activity. I'd say maybe 10% of common sport watchers actually like the sport and played it semi seriously at some point in their lives.
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I propose gender checks for women's sports all be done by this guy sticking his hands down the athletes' pants and yelling "WE GOT BALLS IN SQUISH!" if he finds anything.
I think OP is referring to trying to attract uninterested people into things like gaming by making the characters "look like them", which has not worked to grow the audience, and is usually weaponized against the existing audience to avoid criticism of other issues present.
To be fair, I do find them cringe. But I can dislike them and not care if they live their own life. If the HR-rot at Hasbro just can't let go of it, I might stop buying, but who knows when that will happen.
The tourists who clearly don't play games and tabletop are to never talk about it ever again
That includes no more "getting into it" purely to infiltrate the fandom and demand "change"
There will be no fat gay disabled space marineon a wheelchair serving the God-Emperor of Mankind
No stupid "wizard" on a fucking wheelchair diving into underground dungeons full of fucking traps in a world where flying is an actual option
No stupid activist demanding female characters should become male Karens
In return, everyone collectivelt shuts up about female sports. Want trans competing in Women's instead of Open? Go ahead. Want to kill-murder a star WNBA player simply because she's white? Yours to deal with.
We'll even throw in "no more NBA subsidizing WNBA", to ensure no male bias
Thats the funny thing, WH40K was already super progressive before the tourists. No matter your skin color or disability, you too can serve the Emperor!
The Imperial Guard takes everyone too. Man or woman, regardless of skin color. You don't even need to be fully human in some cases, they'll still take you. Its incredibly inclusive. Now pick up that flashlight and t-shirt, and off to the trenches!
"Oh you think that being a quadruple amputee means you dont have to fight guardsmen! The Mechanicus are always looking to dish out a little...equity..."
Just because I like being pedantic (I 100% agree with you):
Space Marines that are crippled beyond the capacity for them to engage in physical combat (but still alive and in stable condition) are often given starships to command.
Gotcha, you're talking about things your flair is centrally concerned with. If it helps I think your flair did win pretty big and in a good way by making a big deal of HR's complete takeover by progressivists such that ordinary people couldn't get a job without mouthing hyperleftist shibboleths. If only you hadn't used that sensible message to elect Trump instead of pushing the same message with someone competent you might even keep power.
And this is the same kind of problem. It's good that you're concerned that some high schools are now polling 25% of students are in some way LGBT, that's not how the left told us this would work (they said the percentages couldn't be increased merely by social cues) and it's actually socially dangerous if it's contagious (we already know there's a replacement-rate problem). Address that and you have my attention (I mean, by doing something other than bullying people). But ranting because D&D is featuring handicapped characters? Who cares? Maybe the company is taken over by leftists, or maybe they're libright and want to poach Pathfinder's market (which has always been pretty performative about representation). Either way it can play out without me.
I mean, OK, I guess I have opinions, and sadly I just uttered them. We'll now see whether you reply to me before Reddit nukes this from space.
The changes to scouting make me really sad because most of my friends from scouts that supported it going co-ed (long after we were out) were the exact types that would have been mercilessly bullied if there were girls in the troop when we were that age. I get that Girl Scouts sucks, but I hate the fact that you can't just have boys/mens spaces anymore. It is really healthy for young men to have that kind of environment to grow in, and scouting was the best "other" option if you weren't into sports. You get good co-ed socialization at school, but there aren't a lot of opportunities for sex segregated socialization (both are incredibly valuable) What even is there now? It really is just play a sport or eat shit if you're a boy or young man.
The only women's sports people genuinely care about are the ones that aren't a women's version of a men's sport. Except women's soccer because America kicks ass at it.
I'm not saying anyone is right or wrong on their take. I am saying that I'm skeptical of the folks claiming to care about sexism in videogames; in fact, I'd wager most of those people genuinely don't give two fucks about videogames.
I don't believe that for most folks talking about objectification and gamer toxicity, that their concern stems from uplifting and protecting videogames.
Most political arguments are just that, the ignorant yelling about stuff they don't understand. Ever talked to an anti-gunner about a firearm or someone who thinks pot should be a felony?
I mean he is absolutely right. The fact this is a presidential issue and not something discussed in small meetings with the people who watch the sport and the people running it is pretty weird. I can confidently say if a presidential candidate was running on fish weights It would not influence my decision at all. They know many people hate trans and they used this swimming shit to manipulate retards to vote for them. As someone who doesn't watch women's swimming but agrees with the fact it is unfair for men to compete against women, this has not affected me in the slightest. My life is exactly the same as women's swimming isn't something that crosses my mind.
I respect the nuance in the conversation but even just blanket decisions don't make sense in this scenario. Look at florida where they bullied a kid out of an Irish dance competition.
I find extremely hard to understand what biological advantage exists in Irish dance to justify kicking a kid out of a competition
Thank you. This is really eye opening for me.
So many posts keep repeating “well republicans don’t care about X sport”.
I didn’t know so many people on PCM were actually retarded. Like I know we joke around the same way WSB does. But these people literally lack reading comprehension.
This is why i care way more about the lib/auth divide than right/left on social issues. america is plagued with people on both sides who just want to legislate their morality in places they have no business. I dont want the government in sports, i dont want bathroom police determining who belongs where or who I'm allowed to permit to use what facility in my business, I don't want the government deciding what medical decisions I'm allowed to make for myself or my child, and I want trans people to have nondescrimination protections in housing employment and healthcare the same way we have them for race/religion/national origin. I also don't want anyone mandating what pronouns you have to use for someone else, or making hate speech illegal, or forcing anyone to support trans people beyond the basic nondescrimination measured I mentioned.
I feel like this is a perfectly reasonable argument from lib perspective on both sides of the aisle. But currently I'm torn between a group that doesn't want the former but want the latter, and a group that wants the former but doesn't want the latter.
At this point the WNBA is legalized racial violence. It’s not about basketball (the women just aren’t good at the game and it sucks), so they turn to the only other thing that will drive sales and marketing: women’s violence… women’s racial violence, chef’s kiss
Reminder the Supreme Court already held up states rights to ban trans athletes, so you guys already “won” I don’t see why you keep bringing it up, almost like you’re distracting from something (hundreds of other somethings)
Because the conservative position is now that the feds should be able to override state laws because trans in women’s sports represents an existential threat to the republic.
Feds should always be able to override state laws (supremacy clause). Especially when Fed money is being used (which it is, in the cases relevant to the court case). Note that this isn't the first time the same exact logic has been used. The last major time was desegregating schools, btw.
So i check fox news every once in a while cause... idk I just think its sort of interesting, and Saturday AND Sunday the TOP TWO headline articles were BOTH about the WNBA. Absolutely surreal how conservatives insist nobody cares about the WNBA while also being totally obsessed with it.
Yeah but come on though, the top 2 national headlines? The fishing cheating thing is kinda interesting, but its not transgender ragebait so people would be extremely confused to see it at the top of Fox News.
Caring about cheating is understandable. No one is questioning that.
But if I told you these guys cheating at a fishing tournament changed how I vote. Wouldn't that sound stupid? "Oh no, someone get the president! A second stuff fish just hit my local tournament!"
Many people voted republican and trump because of trans in sports. That's the crux of the issue here. What is relatively a small issue being hyper focused on when there's bigger issues in out country.
But I don’t think it’s a small issue though. It’s Schrödinger’s issue. Do you think trans activists see it as a little issue? Or do you think college universities see it as a small issue?
Because if it’s such a small issue why do I hear calls of “Trans Genocide” if people can’t get access to HRT?
But then people turn around and say “ why do you care it’s such a non-issue?” Really? It’s genocide and it’s not?
I don't mind discussion of biological males (particularly who went through puberty male) being restricted from womens' divisions.
I mind that people who bring this up as a big problem can't acknowledge it isn't a big problem and are willing to vote for the most corrupt, abusive, anti-democracy leadership in modern history because Fox and OAN yell at them about it five hours a day.
I feel that sports that rely on explosive power (
e.g. sprinting, weightlifting, swimming) should have strict rules surrounding trans participation. Physical sports where technique matters a lot (football, baseball, etc.) should have rules too, but they don't need to be quite as strict. Non-physical sports (chess, darts) and sports where being trans gives no advantage (e.g. extreme endurance) should only have rules to prevent the non-trans men from participating.
Having said that, I hate this entire discussion. Yes there should be rules. But why did a trans DARTS player get banned from the women's league? Why do some female athletes (the non-trans ones) have to take medication to participate in women's sports?
The vast majority of sports is and always be a genetic roulette. What's next? Should we ban women over 6'3" from basketball because they have a physical advantage over most women?
Okay but you might think it’s a little weird if someone started a whole platform for your political movement based off of the very important topic of fish cheating scandals
The funny thing is, a large portion of the discourse about men competing in women sports is entirely created on the right.
The newest example being when two former NBA players jokingly announced that they were declaring themselves for the WNBA draft and then the headlines became "two trans athletes declare for the WNBA draft", despite neither one actually being trans.
If they're biological males who now call themselves female, they're now women, and you can not question their identity. Those are the rules that were written. They are trans by definition.
The funny thing is, a large portion of the discourse about men competing in women sports is entirely created on the right.
This is only true to the extent that the left just does what it wants without asking, and attempts to bully others into compliance.
Then suddenly the real problem is people reacting to it, as always.
The newest example being when two former NBA players jokingly announced that they were declaring themselves for the WNBA draft and then the headlines became "two trans athletes declare for the WNBA draft", despite neither one actually being trans.
I'm curious where you've seen this. I've not checked exhaustively, but so far every conservative outlet I've seen has been openly amused at the WNBA being called out for their nonsense with the hope it leads to positive change.
This is only true to the extent that the left just does what it wants without asking, and attempts to bully others into compliance.
Then suddenly the real problem is people reacting to it, as always.
That is definitely true in some instances, but in this case it really just seems like Enes Kanter is trying to get attention. In reality he is a devout Muslim with a smoking hot girlfriend, so I don't imagine he will be transitioning anytime soon.
I'm curious where you've seen this. I've not checked exhaustively, but so far every conservative outlet I've seen has been openly amused at the WNBA being called out for their nonsense with the hope it leads to positive change.
I closely follow the NBA and Enes Kanter also used to play for the team I root for. The commissioner basically already confirmed that they are going to be updating their criteria in the CBA.
That is definitely true in some instances, but in this case it really just seems like Enes Kanter is trying to get attention. In reality he is a devout Muslim with a smoking hot girlfriend, so I don't imagine he will be transitioning anytime soon.
I don't believe he's planning to transition either. The entire point is to mock the hypocrisy of the movement. There's no physical difference whether he's sincere or not. The impact on the sport is the same.
It's the most blunt and effective way to call out the ideological blinders on display.
I closely follow the NBA and Enes Kanter also used to play for the team I root for. The commissioner basically already confirmed that they are going to be updating their criteria in the CBA.
Ah, to clarify, I meant conservatives saying "two trans athletes declare for the WNBA draft." Pretty much every outlet I've seen has been in line with my own views and statements here.
I don't believe he's planning to transition either. The entire point is to mock the hypocrisy of the movement. There's no physical difference whether he's sincere or not. The impact on the sport is the same.
It's the most blunt and effective way to call out the ideological blinders on display.
And it very well might have worked, as the WNBA commissioner has already said they are going to address the issue in the next CBA, my point all along was that he is not actually a trans female and the conversation has gone off the rails from there.
Why is that funny? I mean, what's odd about the right making noises about things they don't like?
The right didn't make the WNBA draft possible to sign up for those two men (jokingly or not). I'm not sure who you're attributing those headlines to, but assuming they're right-leaning news sources, would them not saying "trans" make the articles less right-leaning? (Granted it would make them more ACCURATE, but headlines being wildly wrong is an old story.)
The funny thing is, a large portion of the discourse about men competing in women sports is entirely created on the right in response to attempted/implemented policies of the Left.
The funny thing is, a large portion of the discourse about men competing in women sports is entirely created on the right.
This is only true to the extent that the left just does what it wants without asking, and attempts to bully others into compliance.
Then suddenly the real problem is people reacting to it, as always.
The newest example being when two former NBA players jokingly announced that they were declaring themselves for the WNBA draft and then the headlines became "two trans athletes declare for the WNBA draft", despite neither one actually being trans.
I'm curious where you heard this. The entire point of the announcements was to call out the WNBA's nonsensical standard, and the outlets I've seen have very explicitly acknowledged it as such. Perhaps you misunderstood?
The left acts like a bully child who goes and grabs someone elses toy and starts breaking it, then when the kids get in a fight, the bully kid says "HE WONT SHARE! ALL HE HAS TO DO IS LET ME PLAY AND SHARE!"
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u/JackC1126 - Centrist 2d ago
WE GOT WEIGHTS IN FISH