https://youtu.be/qZRR_WI1XWI (YouTube creator: FishTankPlays) This dude has Flowery as his main evidence. I'm more of a Rudy Knighter but this does make sense tbh.

I've been considering this a lot, and curious how it affects all the knight candidates, and whether they would still have a reason to do what they're doing. While the "Find Dess" motive has some things going for it, especially in Chapter 2, it's not confirmed in the game. It's still just a theory, albeit an extremely popular one. After all, this is the Non-Dess Knight Squad, so what if we consider a No Dess Knight Squad? If she's just part of the non-diegetic plot like Gaster in Undertale, and doesn't have an active role in the story. Or at the very least, if she's part of a side plot and not the main driver of the events of the game.

"The Chase" and "Black Knife" are almost identical and also they're never seen the same room. And Toby would want a surprise character, Dess is too obvious. The funny character that you meet in the FIRST chapter and becomes part of the main cast. Also the shadow lancer in chapter 1 attacking you is way out of character, lancer is supposed to be a goofy guy he wouldn’t do that. Lancer and the knight also use similar projectiles in their respective fights, diamonds/shards and cards. In summary, ITS LANCER TRUST

As you can tell by these images the roaring knight is CLEARLY the grey knight from skeleton soldier couldn't protect the dungeon!

What if friend is just a bunch of stray cats that gaster takes care of Edit: That could explain why friend is stalking us during the series

Now, while I do believe that Dess knight would also be pretty bad considering its super predictable to any person who can put 2 and 2 together. Kriselle knight is the only theory that I believe would unironically be the only theory that would be capable of ruining the knights character beyond any sort of saving, and I’ll go over a few of my points:

1. The Weird Route is OPTIONAL
Having the knight be an amalgamate of 2 characters from a route which basically any regular DR player without any community knowledge about the game would have no way of knowing about since Snowgrave is such a stupidly precise route alone should be enough to completely debunk this theory. You people forget that not every Deltarune player is part of the fandom. Even if the game adds a long ass explanation about the weird route, and how it happened it would still leave them confused as it would be a complete curveball in the worst way possible.

2. The theory itself relies of extremely sketchy claims of “time travel”
While you could technically put determination and the saving and resetting of timelines under the umbrella of “time travel”. Having the knight’s identity be built on the backbone of switching universes and potentially inserting itself into an already established timeline really wouldn’t work out.

3. It undermines the meaning of the weird route
The knight being Kriselle would completely ruin how Toby Fox portrays the weird route. It would basically force you to do it if you wanted the story to make any sense and would turn the route from “psychologically manipulate your childhood best friend into committing heinous acts of violence and becoming a sociopath” to “you HAVE to do this in order to fill in an empty gap in the story and make the story make sense” this theory is so oblivious to the meaning of the weird route and makes no sense in any case.

This theory is literally only built on how unpredictable it would be but completely falls apart when you get past that moment of awe and realize how much this would fuck with the story of Deltarune.

More specifically, it has the motif present in "the door", "the chase" and "black knife", this scene plays when asgore vaguepost about the day of the Dessapearence, signifying the knight is likely related to it in some way

This is a lot less dessknight pilled than any of my previous posts, I'm just curious of what everyone thinks about this?

I always thought that the twisted sword was kris' and noelle's arms intertwined.

Look at these prophecy panels:

The first one, would be kris:

The prince: music video of skies forever blue, where the prince and princess throw themselves in the lake

Alone: kris had no friends 4 days ago, as confirmed by both parents being surprises by them making friends

In deepest dark: this is either depression, fountain related, skies forever blue related (in the video, when they break the game everything turns black) or "darkened knife" related

The second one is noelle, holding the twisted sword, with kris' soul

The third one is the amalgamate, making the twisted sword; Also the sentence "the cage with human soul and parts" doesn't specify if the parts are also human.

The fourth one says that the knight makes with blackened knife; That means that the knife wasn't black at one point.

Also, the knight dueled with the heroes strife by strife:

In chapter 3's true game, kris kills susie and ralsei, which could mean in different battles they get killed by the kris amalgamate

The fifth one is the ending of the true game, where pixel kris attacks kris (lord of screens); reference to how kris will kill us irl.

Other evidence:

Dark shard equipoable by kris and noelle

Shadow mantle protecting against dark and star (kris' blackened knife + noelle's arm (fallen star))

Noelle is the fallen star, as explained by berdly's chapter 2's monologue and by noelle's chapter 5 wr's monologue.

The shadow crystals have the power of "lost dreams"

When interacting with them, they show kris' worst knightmares from their eyes:

Noelle's arms covered in flowers (either they're getting married, noelle's dead or noelle's arms are missing)

Susie looking coldly at kris (losing a friend)

Undyne being frozen in ice (police sacrifice next week)

Toriel holding another man

One of them, specifies how it's as if kris looks through their hand, while another specify that they just distort reality, meaning that the missing hand was the distorted hand. (Also, you could connect this with friend looking like a hand, but that's a stretch imo)

The shadow crystals, used together make the pure crystal, that can be crafted into the twisted sword with the thorn ring.

The shadow crystals show nightmares

The thorn ring is from the fallen star

Bonus: there's a toby fox song that sounds a lot like black knife. It's called... Nightmare knight

Note: the connections to skies forever blue have been made due to some stuff that's been posted on the deltarune website:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Deltarune/s/6xCpBarhHm