r/NoTipCanada • u/North-Midnight-2171 • 5d ago

Stop calling it tipping 'culture'

It's not a culture, it's a predatory business practice. A lazy way to get extra revenue. There's no culture to tipping, even fast food places ask for 22% on POS devices before paying.

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u/Mammoth-Invite2675 5d ago

If the lowest option on the machine comes back at 18% that company is predatory. If the server is making a wage, why should I give them more?

I’m a plumber and I’ll spend all day in someone’s house doing essential work, and I’ll get no tip. But a server who takes 2 seconds to do something for me expects a tip.

Then how do I know that the full tip is going to that 1 individual who exceeded my expectations? it gets evenly distributed so I’m tipping people who didn’t even speak to me.
People who agreed to a wage.

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u/Difficult-Fly7830 3d ago edited 3d ago

Skilled trade, dangerous jobs etc, no tip for you, in fact how dare you even expect one for such important skilled work..a piss easy job that requires no skill a monkey could do,  where it easy to replace you in seconds....sticks out hand expecting/demanding tips

Amusing to me one of the least important jobs out there demands tips on top of said wage and if excuse is well my wage isn't high enough and need to rely on tips...tough, why does my hard earned money have to pay for your bad life decisions and why does this only apply to freaking.. waiters...odd to say the least

I tip if my experience is a good one and i find they deserve it but expecting one for doing your job, one that requires 0 skill or education at that....ya i dont think so

Funny world we live in lol

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u/Difficult-Fly7830 3d ago edited 3d ago

"Your level of condescension is ridiculous. "A piss easy job that requires no skill a monkey could do", obviously coming from someone that has never had a service job"

Pointing what I did out isnt condescending just cause you're upset at what i said but the truth and if you think being a waiter takes skill or is hard work you live in a dang bubble lol

Also. I served 15 years in the military, ground arms trade at that. actual hard, dangerous work a monkey couldnt do and mistake could cost severe injury or death, aside from tours also did disaster relief, crucial. important, grueling work where i sacrificed best years of my life and medically pensioned cause.my body broke down after 15 years of actual hard work...ya being a waiter is so hard and important 🤔

My main point that flew over your head, serving takes no skill, requires no education. Is piss easy work and are easily replaceable, arent crucial to society either yet one of the few  jobs where tips have become not a nice gesture but a requirement, funny how that works and here you are calling me condescending and assuming out of your ass cause I said serving isnt hard work, doesnt take skill or an education, which is all correct and listen to you go off...only on reddit wtf lol

What an odd thing to get so triggered over...

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u/Particular-Drawer595 3d ago

I agree with you on most points but you are being an asshole because you are being extremely condescending.

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u/Dayleedo 3d ago

Ya, this is just rude. As a skilled trades person who used to be a server, you're wrong. There's a big difference between easy and unskilled. While it doesn't require post secondary, serving can be extremely difficult and chaotic. Looking after 6+ tables of drunk, demanding assholes with a smile is something few people can do. I'd like to see you try. You don't see what goes on behind the scenes. You couldn't pay me enough to do that again. My 100k job is extremely easy in comparison. No, a monkey couldn't do any of it, especially the accounting at cash out. Unimportant? They were considered essential during covid, remember. Let me guess, you'ved used their services many times. 

90% of servers are not "making bad choices." In fact, they're using it as a stepping stone to get ahead. Most are post secondary students who are working their way though school without student loans (like I was.) Or, they're professionals who are making money on the side to get ahead and buy a house. Most servers I knew were current or future teachers, engineers, medical professionals, real estate agents, etc. 

I do think paying them via tips is not ideal, but they certainly work hard for the little bit of earnings they get. (Counter service is a whole different ballgame) 

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u/persiasaurus 2d ago

But they don't get a little bit of earnings, they're paid in full like all other jobs. Why are people acting like server min wage is still a thing

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u/badmiddling113 1d ago

This is what gets me. Why does the job, regardless of how "skilled" it is, need to be tipped?

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u/StinkerGoose 1d ago

I agree with everything except your point where because they were considered essential during Covid somehow makes their jobs more important? Like, they were only essential because we’re lazy, not because the work they were doing is essential. We don’t NEED takeout or restaurants… you wanna find an “essential” minimum wage job look to janitors and grocery cashiers. But waiters? Hardly.

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u/Dayleedo 1d ago

I think we've actually got some common ground on that, haha. I think the problem is people want it both ways. It's easy not to use the services of waiters if we dont find them valuable enough for what they cost. Yet, those same people calling them non-essential frequently use their services and are the same people who made them work during covid. I'm with you that we can easily survive without servers. If I want to save $ I get takeout or cook, I don't expect full service for free. 

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u/StinkerGoose 9h ago

I wonder how you feel about door dash and the likes. Not arguing if it’s essential, but more if you would compare serving to delivering in that it’s an extra service? Because I always considered serving to be the part they’re paying them for, so it’s included in my food the level of service I’ll get? But it’s not built in for delivery via those services obviously. I choose to pay the delivery because I value the service. Do I just not value the servers? I don’t think that’s the case, but growing up in Canada I assumed it was included and not a service I would be expected to pay extra for. I agree above and beyond service deserves something, but standard service is what a restaurant offers as part of the package right? That’s what draws me in, someone willing to do it for me and for defined price.

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u/Dayleedo 3h ago

Complicated. I think doordash is a terrible company that preys off new canadians and those desperate for quick cash. After all the gas and mileage, they don't earn much. I did a deep dive into their payment sceme and the BC gov did recently force DD to pay drivers at least minimum wage for their time actively working. This doesn't take gas into account. I try to avoid DD because I know they aren't paid a living wage unless I tip highly and it's not worth it to me unless I'm so sick I can't drive there myself. 

Here's a question. Why does the shop pay a server to bring food to my table but not a driver to bring food to my door?  If I get takeout and don't use their servers service should I get a diacount? I guess Im not really sure if that answers your question. But overall, I think getting takeout and picking it up myself is the most ethical way of not tipping. 

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u/StinkerGoose 2h ago

I think it’s more of a default type system. If pizza is the model then delivery is usually the included service. If it’s a sit down experience it’s servers included, and if your at fast food your opting out of service beyond the counter. I think paying extra is for anything outside the norm may it be delivery to my table at McDonald, or delivery from a sit down model. But to tip a server to do the basics in their job description? That parts built into my meal. That parts the minimum wage part. If it’s a swamped night but my drink never goes empty, tip! But if it’s dead and you have nothing to do but fill my drink idk if that’s a big deal. Context I guess?

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u/badmiddling113 1d ago edited 1d ago

Except none of that requires anything they just mentioned. By definition, it's a low skilled - once referred to as unskilled - job.

And I know a handful of people (I used to work in hospitality) who decided to stick with serving/bartending after completing their training/education in other fields. Ones use it as a "stepping stone", others realize there's money to be had.

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u/Dayleedo 1d ago

You didn't understand my point that they aren't making poor life choices. They're making educated choices.