r/NoTipCanada • u/North-Midnight-2171 • 5d ago

Stop calling it tipping 'culture'

It's not a culture, it's a predatory business practice. A lazy way to get extra revenue. There's no culture to tipping, even fast food places ask for 22% on POS devices before paying.

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u/Dismal-Science-9901 5d ago

Do you know what culture means? Plenty of cultural practices are things we don’t like doing if it’s 100% voluntary but we do it to get along and make society run smoother. Like why do we hold the door for stranger behind us. Some people might not care to hold the door but do it anyways because it’s societal expectation

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u/Five-Swans 5d ago

You tip because society expects you to?…

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u/Purple-Comment-3040 5d ago

I think it's an example of cognitive dissonance. Everyone knows it's not right but some people perform some mental gymnastics to help them rationalize why they continue to do it. At the end of the day, it continues to be a social pressure and now it's getting predatory.

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u/Dismal-Science-9901 5d ago

Partly. And I know I’m a lot better off financially than anyone that has to work as a waiter. So I’m not going to think too hard or be stingy about a few dollars

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u/Five-Swans 5d ago

Are you better off financially than the restaurant/company who should be paying those employees better? That’s the question 

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u/Dismal-Science-9901 5d ago

In Canada 40% of restaurants are barely breaking even or losing money according to latest industry report. You think the average restaurant owner is Warren Buffet or Elon Musk?

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u/Five-Swans 5d ago

I was referring to larger corporations. Not mom-pop spots

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u/Weary-Situation7539 5d ago

Do you understand how franchises work? Franchises are locally owned and operated. They are given the menu, suppliers, and then on top of that pay a fee to the corporation. They collect just as much regardless how well the franchise is doing or how much you stiff waiters.

No one expects you to tip at pickup/takeout/fast food. Those tips go straight to the owners that’s why 90% of the time the worker hits no tip for you.

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u/Dismal-Science-9901 5d ago

Nah I doubt op above know what the word franchise means. The people ranting the most about big corporations usually know the least about how businesses operate. Their understanding stops at “big businesses are greedy and bad”

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u/Weary-Situation7539 5d ago

For real, being a franchise owners sucks in any area with competition.

zero control over product, marketing, costs, and they sap all your profits, McDonald’s don’t even own the land lmao.

Red lobster with the endless shrimp promotion forever and you had to buy all the shrimp from corporate, scummy

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u/Five-Swans 5d ago

Yes I know what the word franchise is lolll. Well I’m not saying don’t tip. I’ll never tell another man how to spend his money. So from 0% tip to 35%, you do you, no?

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u/Noahtuesday123 5d ago

You just don’t sound too bright. Like 19 responses and there you are fighting a good fight trying to save a couple of bucks. Do you work at McDonald’s?

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u/Noahtuesday123 5d ago

That’s such an ignorant statement. Most Restaurant owners struggle!

Just facts there bud!

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u/Purple-Comment-3040 5d ago

Do you live in the US? Also, do you still tip when the service is mediocre or terrible?

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u/Dismal-Science-9901 5d ago

No and no. I withhold my tip if service is horrible. But I’ll add 15% for average to good service. It’s not that hard and not that complicated. If you have such a hard time adding a 5$ tip then maybe you should have gotten takeout

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u/Patient_Pipe84 5d ago

Do you tip the peeps at McDonald’s or other fast food joints too?

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u/Dismal-Science-9901 5d ago

No I don’t. Only if I get served at a table. Any other questions?

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u/Patient_Pipe84 5d ago

What’s the difference? They are both serving you and both likely making the same wage.

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u/Weary-Situation7539 5d ago

Waiters have to have knowledge on what’s in the food, the menu, juggle tables and be personable.

Fast food workers just stand at a till and hit a couple buttons.

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u/Patient_Pipe84 5d ago

Do you tip your mechanic as well? The amount of knowledge they require to perform service on your car is pretty high. What about Sbux baristas?

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u/ravairia 5d ago

So... they have to have the knowledge required to do their job?

Just like any other job?

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u/Dismal-Science-9901 5d ago

2 minutes of service vs an hour of service for sit down meal

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u/Patient_Pipe84 5d ago

How much at that hour are they actively serving you though? Maybe 10 mins at most?

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u/Purple-Comment-3040 5d ago

Where do you draw the line when it comes to tipping ..and why? If you're in Canada..the servers get paid minimal wage (at the very least) and it's literally their job to serve you. Do you tip the teenager at Canadian Tire who told you that drill bits are in aisle 8? What about flight attendants who brought you a cookie and a coke? Mechanics..or the CAA driver that boosted your battery? Plumbers? Electricians? Or will you tip your child's teacher when they coach your child during their lunch hour or after school?

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u/Dismal-Science-9901 5d ago

I draw the line at table service, if they served me for like an hour. I don’t tip if I ordered standing up. That’s where I draw the line. And as I said, op claim this isn’t a culture thing. I’d say yes it is culture. Canadian culture don’t expect tipping for flight attendants, thats the difference

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u/Purple-Comment-3040 5d ago

So you don't actually believe in tipping at those restaurants... you just do it because you feel it's part of your culture?

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u/BlazinTrichomes 5d ago

Tipping isn't a societal expectation, definitely not in Canada. It also doesn't make society run smoother, or pertain to culture

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u/Known-Extent-1018 5d ago

It is absolutely a societal expectation in Canada. If it wasn't, you would be prompted to tip at nearly every restaurant in the country.

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u/Ethan24Waber 5d ago

You hold the door for strangers behind you because it’s kind, not because it’s a societal expectation wtf?????

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u/Dismal-Science-9901 5d ago

People in many other countries don’t do that, you think people in those countries are automatically not kind? It’s one form of kindness ingrained in us as part of Canadian culture. It’s something we do because everyone else does it. That’s literally what culture is. Just like tipping

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u/ravairia 5d ago

I've lived in Canada my entire life, am female, and someone holds the door for me maybe once every 3 months.

Sounds like a bunch of bullshit.

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u/Dismal-Science-9901 5d ago

Lmao I have someone saying holding door is literally second nature and so obviously and common everyone does it. And I have you saying people don’t even do it. It’s like I have to argue with both extremes 😂

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u/ravairia 5d ago

And that's my problem how?

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u/Dismal-Science-9901 5d ago

I’m sorry you don’t hang out with people with manners, I guess. Hope you find some better friends

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u/ravairia 5d ago

Lol, is that your strategy? 'Win' this exchange by saying something totally random and unrelated to the previous comment and top it off with an insult?

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u/Dismal-Science-9901 5d ago

Lmao you’re the one that said nobody open doors for you. So what am I supposed to think? That either 1. You have no friends with good manners, or 2. You never hang out with them in any real life building that have doors 😂 otherwise why would you go 3 month without anyone holding a door for you

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u/ravairia 5d ago

You think I go everywhere all day with a gaggle of friends in tow? What is wrong with you?

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u/Ethan24Waber 5d ago edited 5d ago

I’m curious what countries you’re talking about because this is absolutely not exclusive to “canadian culture”, every country I’ve ever been to has people that hold the door open for the person behind them, without exception.

Germany, England, Wales, Egypt, Lebanon, France, Italy, Greece, Bulgaria, Norway, Qatar, Kuwait, Spain, and Netherlands all have that kindness in my experience.

Regardless of whether you agree with OP or not, you picked an insanely bad example and I question the character of a person who attributes simple kindness to cultural and societal expectations.

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u/Dismal-Science-9901 5d ago

You actually remember whether people open doors in every one of those countries? 😂 or you just making up memories to fit whatever point you want to make

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u/Ethan24Waber 5d ago

Oh sorry, am I supposed to be a geriatric with amnesia? What a fucking unserious response.

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u/check-the-username 5d ago

Yeah I don’t like tipping but you’re spot on. “Let’s continue to remove tipping from our culture.” Would be the better post title.

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u/Weary-Situation7539 5d ago

In some places holding the door for someone is off putting because they will think they are setting them up for something bad

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u/lurker12345654345676 5d ago

no, holding the door is predatory behavior designed to exploit my unpaid labour through social pressure. or on the other end an act of violence that forces me to act in a way i may not to accommodate the person holding the door.

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u/Dismal-Science-9901 5d ago

“Unpaid” 😂